Bill Parcells Comments on Giants, TC, and Eli

who to listen to....

my own eyes, TC, Eli, Parcells, coaches and friends....

or

...lots of BBI and the media......


such a tough call

Gee, maybe I will believe them and not a 19 year old on BBI?

Is a damn 70+ year old Asshole and has been one for many years.

black there.

Other than Randle, there isn't much there. And none from that draft are players you build a team around.

And realized I could have written the Parcells comments ahead of time. It's about as surprising as Tiki being critical of Coughlin.

but ex Giants saying he lost the team, makes me laugh every time I hear that. I'm sure there's a fair amount of current and past players who dislike Coughlin, but that's hardly a fireable offense.

In comment 11990986 Milton said:

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He doesn't stand at the 10 yard line with a stop watch during the combine for nothing. You have to believe that Coughlin has a significant voice in who gets drafted, who gets signed, and who is let go. And when he's a dissenting voice--as when Ballard was waived--we hear about it.

Yep but the responsibility falls on Jerry.. Thats his job.. Every coach should have input into players.. but its Jerry jobs to get him the talent.. If Jerry is just the puppet and others tell him who he should draft and sign then Jerry should be fired any how..

then you aren't watching. Case in point: Adam Snyder is starting over both Brewer and Moseley.

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2012 David Wilson RB 2012 Rueben Randle WR 2012 Jayron Hosley DB 2012 Adrien Robinson TE 2012 Brandon Mosley OL 2012 Matt McCants OL 2012 Markus Kuhn DT

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2012 David Wilson RB
2012 Rueben Randle WR
2012 Jayron Hosley DB
2012 Adrien Robinson TE
2012 Brandon Mosley OL
2012 Matt McCants OL
2012 Markus Kuhn DT






Good one! And even if Wilson didn't get hurt, he would never have been an everydown back. KO returns and 3rd down/situational specialist is not great for a 1st round pick. Randle is JAG. Barely.

last year was just two players that have shown flash.

Reese might be the issue

In comment 11991243 Victor in CT said:

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In comment 11991239 GMAN4LIFE said: [quote] Quote: 2012 David Wilson RB 2012 Rueben Randle WR 2012 Jayron Hosley DB 2012 Adrien Robinson TE 2012 Brandon Mosley OL 2012 Matt McCants OL 2012 Markus Kuhn DT Good one! And even if Wilson didn't get hurt, he would never have been an everydown back. KO returns and 3rd down/situational specialist is not great for a 1st round pick. Randle is JAG. Barely.

What a flipping disaster...

is the front office seems to have righted the ship with the last two drafts so maybe they've identified some issues in the evaluation process.

In comment 11991269 Wonderphil11 said:

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is the front office seems to have righted the ship with the last two drafts so maybe they've identified some issues in the evaluation process.

they have?

2011 Prince Amukamara DB
2011 Marvin Austin DL
2011 Jerrel Jernigan WR
2011 James Brewer OL
2011 Greg Jones
2011 Tyler Sash SS
2011 Jacquian Williams LB
2011 DaRel Scott RB


Except for Prince they all were lousy picks. Even though Williams is a sometime starter, he's barely mediocre.

Between the 2011 and 2012 drafts you would think that those players would be flourishing in their 3rd and 4th year in the league. Ugh.

In comment 11991271 GMAN4LIFE said:

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In comment 11991269 Wonderphil11 said: Quote: is the front office seems to have righted the ship with the last two drafts so maybe they've identified some issues in the evaluation process. they have?

You find a lot of problems with the last two drafts? Seems like they found some decent players throughout with still potential in the others who haven't contributed due to injury no??

Really bang up job guys. Seriously, great work. Keep it up.

and list the drafts out like this.. you can really see some horrible Football players...

I mean - almost nobody ends up progressing the past few years. Guys sit in favor of vets who are terrible, well past their prime. We reserve roster spots for players who might not even be in the practice squad on other teams, and you think this is entirely a FO problem?

Even if the scouts and the FO were terrible - a few good picks would sneak in and would progress after they hit the field. It seems even when we have picks that are lauded by other scouts and draftniks at draft time, they go backwards once they get here.

If anything, I think that's more indicative of a problem with coaching than it is with drafting. A broken clock is at least right twice a day, it seems like we've been batting 0 for some time now.

We lost Mike Pope who was amazing. Look what he did with guys like Boss and Ballard. Flaherty as our O-Line coach, a totally mixed bag. For several years around SB 42 and a little beyond our O-Line was one of the best. Two of those guys came from FA (O'Hara and Kareem). Diehl was an Accorsi pick. Snee was an Accorsi pick. Seubert was an Accorsi pick. So when we look back to the good old days of the Giants O-Line and how dominant it once was, Reese/Ross weren't the people that made the decisions. Since Reese and Ross have taken over we've had guys like Bass in FA and picks like Pugh and Richburh that are entirely up in the air. To me, that's on the talent Flaherty has to work with.

of scouting, and most of the same scouts in place.

Somewhere in between, all of these guys have forgotten how to do their jobs.

In comment 11991325 jcn56 said:

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of scouting, and most of the same scouts in place. Somewhere in between, all of these guys have forgotten how to do their jobs.

But Ross wasn't

but he has a long history of this "it's never the coach's fault its always the GM" routine.

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In comment 11991325 jcn56 said: Quote: of scouting, and most of the same scouts in place. Somewhere in between, all of these guys have forgotten how to do their jobs. But Ross wasn't

No, and I'm an advocate of removing Ross simply for the fact that the decline coincided with his hiring, but I find it hard to believe he's anywhere near 100% responsible.

This is a failure of both coaching and management. I'd agree that the FO failed to maintain the talent level on the roster, in part due to failed drafts, shitty luck with injury and cap mismanagement following the title runs. At the same time - this coaching staff hasn't taken a single player drafted and developed them above the level that they came in. I agree that wholesale, you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit, but to not see a nominal improvement in just about the entire roster does not bode well for the coaching staff either.

does not understand the importance of continuity & chemistry in this game. An are really more part of the problem than the solution

This is a whole new group of players with a new offense and still learning to gel.

Did some of you really think their 1st season they would just shoot out like a cannon and win the division. Especially considering the injuries??

Last year everyone was bitching about changes, so the team got a new OC let go of some vets and signed a few talented FA's , now show some fucking patience.

Oh and JR drafts a OBJ, but wait... lets concentrate on the the 2013 6th round draft pick who doesnt start yet!!!

In comment 11991320 Bold Ruler said:

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We lost Mike Pope who was amazing. Look what he did with guys like Boss and Ballard. Flaherty as our O-Line coach, a totally mixed bag. For several years around SB 42 and a little beyond our O-Line was one of the best. Two of those guys came from FA (O'Hara and Kareem). Diehl was an Accorsi pick. Snee was an Accorsi pick. Seubert was an Accorsi pick. So when we look back to the good old days of the Giants O-Line and how dominant it once was, Reese/Ross weren't the people that made the decisions. Since Reese and Ross have taken over we've had guys like Bass in FA and picks like Pugh and Richburh that are entirely up in the air. To me, that's on the talent Flaherty has to work with.

Wasn't Reese in charge of the drafts when those guys were picked?

And TE hasn't been an issue this year, so harping on Pope is weird.

These names tell the tale, but just to underscore how bad it is...2014 looks good though

2014 Odell Beckham WR - Stud, hope to see him in blue for life
2014 Weston Richburg OL - Move him to center
2014 Jay Bromley DT - too soon to tell
2014 Andre Williams RB - should at least be good depth
2014 Nat Berhe SS - have no idea what he can do yet
2014 Devon Kennard LB - good late pick up, very promising
2014 Bennett Jackson CB - Didn't make the cut

2013 Justin Pugh OL - Hopefully it's just a slump. Is he really a Guard?
2013 Johnathan Hankins DT - No complaints here
2013 Damontre Moore DE - May not be an every down player
2013 Ryan Nassib QB - Serviceable backup with upside
2013 Cooper Taylor DB - If only he could stay healthy
2013 Eric Herman OL - May not be ready for the NFL
2013 Michael Cox RB - Honestly, the Giants have gotten a decent amount out of this 7th round pick

2012 David Wilson RB - what a tragedy, didn't fit the Gilbride offense, but would have fit the MacAdoo offense. Best of luck to him as he tries to make the Olympic team
2012 Rueben Randle WR - Still has not taken advantage of his opportunity. Apparently can't work outside the numbers or deep. Doesn't catch enough of his targets. He should be the 3rd or 4th WR on the team next year.
2012 Jayron Hosley DB - TERRIBLE
2012 Adrien Robinson TE - TERRIBLE
2012 Brandon Mosley OL - Is he not up to the task or do the coaches not give him enough of an opportunity? Depends who you ask
2012 Matt McCants OL - Gone, and is still looking for a role in the NFL.
2012 Markus Kuhn DT - Raw depth player. Wish he would play as big as he is

2011 Prince Amukamara DB - Good player, but unlucky injury wise
2011 Marvin Austin DL - REACH (and too early too)
2011 Jerrel Jernigan WR - I have a hard time being too critical here. He had tremendous tape in college and was a difference maker from three positions. Just never could play consistently in the NFL. Missed his opportunity to take over the PR duties.
2011 James Brewer OL - I think we should have parted ways long ago. Not sure why he is still here. Might be on his 9th life.
2011 Greg Jones - Never looked like an NFL linebacker
2011 Tyler Sash SS - Never looked like an NFL DB. Good special teams player though
2011 Jacquian Williams LB - Good athlete, average LB
2011 DaRel Scott RB - Much like Cox, Giants got a good amount out of this 7th round pick.

2010 Jason Pierre-Paul DE - Great couple of years, combination of injuries, lack of DL talent, and questionable technique have slowed his development. Are the Giants ready to move on?
2010 Linval Joseph DT - Great pick, still agree with the decision to let him walk and play Hankins.
2010 Chad Jones DB - Just glad the young man is still alive
2010 Phillip Dillard LB - Never looked like an NFL LB
2010 Mitch Petrus G - The 2010 version of Eric Herman
2010 Adrian Tracy DE - A tweener who has probably better suited for a 3-4
2010 Matt Dodge P - This brings back bad bad memories

2009 Hakeem Nicks WR - injuries derailed he career
2009 Clint Sintim LB - A 3-4 LB who was always injured
2009 Will Beatty T - The best player on the OL right now...not a good thing really but he has played better.
2009 Ramses Barden WR - Height isn't everything
2009 Travis Beckum TE - What a waste of pick!
2009 Andre Brown RB - Giants got half a season out of him
2009 Rhett Bomar QB - I think he is out of the league, which is starved for decent backup QBs.
2009 DeAndre Wright - Totally forgot about him
2009 Stoney Woodson DB - Don't think he even made the team

2008 Kenny Phillips DB - Good Giants career but never the same after knee injury
2008 Terrell Thomas DB - Became a shell of his former self after the knee injury. I'm still angry at Perry Fewell for blitzing the nickel corner in preseason!
2008 Mario Manningham WR - Thanks for 2011! Honestly, a pretty good draft steal.
2008 Bryan Kehl LB - Looked like Tarzan, played like Jane
2008 Jonathan Goff LB - Slow 2 down MLB. Could have contributed but hurt by injuries
2008 Andre Woodson QB - never looked like an NFL QB
2008 Robert Henderson DE - Don't think he made the team

2007 Aaron Ross - Never lived up to 1st round billing, but contributed
2007 Steve Smith WR - Just to think what would have been
2007 Jay Alford - Biggest sack of the 2007 Superbowl. Knee injury
2007 Zak DeOssie LB - Still snapping, but never a factor at LB
2007 Kevin Boss TE - Concussions!
2007 Adam Koets T - Contributed at times, but struck me as not strong enough for the NFL
2007 Michael Johnson DB - Seemed to have potential
2007 Ahmad Bradshaw - One of the best 7th round picks in recent NFL history. Too bad he has feet of glass, but if he ever wanted to come back at a reasonable price I think the Giants would welcome him with open arms.

As you can see, drafts since 2007 have suffered primarily from some terrible luck, but there are plenty of questionable picks here, especially on the defensive side of the ball. The best LB this team has drafted in the last 7 years has been Williams!? That's not a good sign. Same with OL. For those who say Reese has not invested in the OL, that's not quite true. There are plenty of picks on that list, but the majority of them did not pan out. Frankly, Reese an company have missed on too many OL, LB, and too some degree DB picks (some of the DB failures on injury related).

To me, the issue is not Coughlin or necessarily Reese. Reese has had some bad luck, but I do question the evaluation of LBs and OL. I would seem insane to think that Reese and Ross are drafting players that don't fit what Coughlin wants to do, but there are a great many players on this list who just were not going to fit. The other matter is, do we judge Reese or Ross? They say Ross runs the draft (not that we can absolve Reese) but is it the scouting department more than the GM?

In comment 11991298 jcn56 said:

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I mean - almost nobody ends up progressing the past few years. Guys sit in favor of vets who are terrible, well past their prime. We reserve roster spots for players who might not even be in the practice squad on other teams, and you think this is entirely a FO problem? Even if the scouts and the FO were terrible - a few good picks would sneak in and would progress after they hit the field. It seems even when we have picks that are lauded by other scouts and draftniks at draft time, they go backwards once they get here. If anything, I think that's more indicative of a problem with coaching than it is with drafting. A broken clock is at least right twice a day, it seems like we've been batting 0 for some time now.

Would you at least credit the coaching staff for sifting through a whole bunch of rookie FA selecting & developing guys like Hynoski,Donnell,& Cruz?

advocate for another head coach to lose his job. What Parcells said about Coughlin doesn't surprise me, and I take it with a grain of salt.

In comment 11991477 Watson said:

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In comment 11991298 jcn56 said: Quote: I mean - almost nobody ends up progressing the past few years. Guys sit in favor of vets who are terrible, well past their prime. We reserve roster spots for players who might not even be in the practice squad on other teams, and you think this is entirely a FO problem? Even if the scouts and the FO were terrible - a few good picks would sneak in and would progress after they hit the field. It seems even when we have picks that are lauded by other scouts and draftniks at draft time, they go backwards once they get here. If anything, I think that's more indicative of a problem with coaching than it is with drafting. A broken clock is at least right twice a day, it seems like we've been batting 0 for some time now. Would you at least credit the coaching staff for sifting through a whole bunch of rookie FA selecting & developing guys like Hynoski,Donnell,& Cruz?

The FO's responsible for sifting through and selecting - the coaching staff is responsible for development. Cruz, absolutely - a great job done by both sides. Hynoski's a solid player, but he was advertised as much coming in. Donnell? Isn't he part of the current talent problem that everyone is bitching about?

knowing that some of the newer guys aren't fully vetted yet.
Just my opinions.

2014 Odell Beckham WR - 5
2014 Weston Richburg OL - unknown, functioning
2014 Jay Bromley DT - unknown
2014 Andre Williams RB - unknown, not really flashing
2014 Nat Berhe SS . unknown
2014 Devon Kennard LB - 3 - 4 so far
2014 Bennett Jackson CB - unknown

2013 Justin Pugh OL - 4, dealing with injuries lately?
2013 Johnathan Hankins DT - 4
2013 Damontre Moore DE 4 appears to be ceiling--used sparingly.
2013 Ryan Nassib QB - 3
2013 Cooper Taylor DB unknown
2013 Eric Herman OL - 1
2013 Michael Cox RB - 2

2012 David Wilson RB - damned shame
2012 Rueben Randle WR - 3 at best
2012 Jayron Hosley DB - 2 at best
2012 Adrien Robinson TE unknown
2012 Brandon Mosley OL - 2
2012 Matt McCants OL - 1
2012 Markus Kuhn DT - 2

2011 Prince Amukamara DB - 5
2011 Marvin Austin DL - 1
2011 Jerrel Jernigan WR - 2ish
2011 James Brewer OL - 2
2011 Greg Jones - 1
2011 Tyler Sash SS - 2
2011 Jacquian Williams LB - went from 3+ down to 2
2011 DaRel Scott RB 2

2010 Jason Pierre-Paul DE - 4 on a good day
2010 Linval Joseph DT - 5
2010 Chad Jones DB - damned shame
2010 Phillip Dillard LB - 1
2010 Mitch Petrus G - minus 1
2010 Adrian Tracy DE - 2
2010 Matt Dodge P - 1

In comment 11991509 jcn56 said:

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In comment 11991477 Watson said: Quote: In comment 11991298 jcn56 said: Quote: I mean - almost nobody ends up progressing the past few years. Guys sit in favor of vets who are terrible, well past their prime. We reserve roster spots for players who might not even be in the practice squad on other teams, and you think this is entirely a FO problem? Even if the scouts and the FO were terrible - a few good picks would sneak in and would progress after they hit the field. It seems even when we have picks that are lauded by other scouts and draftniks at draft time, they go backwards once they get here. If anything, I think that's more indicative of a problem with coaching than it is with drafting. A broken clock is at least right twice a day, it seems like we've been batting 0 for some time now. Would you at least credit the coaching staff for sifting through a whole bunch of rookie FA selecting & developing guys like Hynoski,Donnell,& Cruz? The FO's responsible for sifting through and selecting - the coaching staff is responsible for development. Cruz, absolutely - a great job done by both sides. Hynoski's a solid player, but he was advertised as much coming in. Donnell? Isn't he part of the current talent problem that everyone is bitching about?

I guess my point was that your comment almost nobody seems to progress is a bit harsh. Yes it is the FO that brings in rookie FA for try outs / camp competition, but it's the coaching staff that selects a few they deem worthy of development. Cruz ended up being a star and Hynoski solid. With Donnell they took a extremely green player and turned him into a serviceable player; a position which you are right has been neglected by the FO.

for this mess, and frankly some of it is just the usual stuff- shit luck, injuries etc... I don't understand why this place is obsessed with finding one or two parties to place all the blame on. Could they have done a better job drafting? absolutely, however that list you put up there since 2007 is not as bad as people make it out to be. While some of the misses were bad picks, I think their development maybe could have been better coached, but also a number of them flat out stunk. Welcome to the real world of the NFL draft. Look around the league at the other teams- 3-7th rd. picks miss all the time. When the amount of high picks we have had got hurt it's going to be tough. I'm sorry you don't fire GM's 3 years after they win their 2nd Super Bowl. Reese deserves a chance to right the ship. Pugh had a great rookie year and clearly has been playing hurt for months. Moore is just getting a shot this year, and Hankins looks great so that draft so far has been solid and this year looks like at least a decent rookies class. Coughlin I would lean towards letting go only because I think his staff is broken in too many areas to keep asking him to have them take the fall. I also think a new staff/voice may not be the worst thing. That having been said I'm not obsessed with it happening, and if he came back with some key staff changes especially Special Teams and defense I wouldn't be upset either.

You can't have Hankins and Moore at 4's and then JPP as a 4. Then have OBJ, Prince and Linval Joseph at 5s. Just doesn't add up.

Hyno is the player he came into the league as - a punishing lead blocker who doesn't do much else. No one drafts fullbacks much anymore, so they brought him in as a RFA, but he's pretty much the same player now as he was when he arrived.

how many of those guys got remarkably better since they were drafted? Prince did. I guess you can say Randle improved, but he still leaves a lot to be desired. I see 2 guys going all the way back to 2010 that developed as players. IMO Hankins and Joseph could have contributed their rookie seasons. JPP hasn't really added to his repertoire of pass rushing moves.

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Hyno is the player he came into the league as - a punishing lead blocker who doesn't do much else. No one drafts fullbacks much anymore, so they brought him in as a RFA, but he's pretty much the same player now as he was when he arrived.

Greg I get your point about the fullback position. Was just trying to use current players that were once lowly FA rookies to support my opinion. As to Hynoski, my impression is his overall game has improved but your are right in that it was just more incremental.

When someone says something like "I know the guys out there who can coach and I know the ones that can't coach, and Tom Coughlin can coach."

Your immediate next question has to be: "Okay, Bill, tell us the guys out there who can't coach."

And TC is a great coach. So obviously missing the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years has nothing to do with either of them

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I mean - almost nobody ends up progressing the past few years. Guys sit in favor of vets who are terrible, well past their prime. We reserve roster spots for players who might not even be in the practice squad on other teams, and you think this is entirely a FO problem? Even if the scouts and the FO were terrible - a few good picks would sneak in and would progress after they hit the field. It seems even when we have picks that are lauded by other scouts and draftniks at draft time, they go backwards once they get here. If anything, I think that's more indicative of a problem with coaching than it is with drafting. A broken clock is at least right twice a day, it seems like we've been batting 0 for some time now.

Exactly!! And when will people stop blaming Reese for these draft picks ? You can bet your ass, TC had a lot of say with the selection of these players. If not all. It's time for a coaching change period! TC is a good coach. But, I think he's overrated.

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2014 Odell Beckham WR 2014 Weston Richburg OL 2014 Jay Bromley DT 2014 Andre Williams RB 2014 Nat Berhe SS . 2014 Devon Kennard LB 2014 Bennett Jackson CB 2013 Justin Pugh OL 2013 Johnathan Hankins DT 2013 Damontre Moore DE 2013 Ryan Nassib QB 2013 Cooper Taylor DB 2013 Eric Herman OL 2013 Michael Cox RB 2012 David Wilson RB 2012 Rueben Randle WR 2012 Jayron Hosley DB 2012 Adrien Robinson TE 2012 Brandon Mosley OL 2012 Matt McCants OL 2012 Markus Kuhn DT 2011 Prince Amukamara DB 2011 Marvin Austin DL 2011 Jerrel Jernigan WR 2011 James Brewer OL 2011 Greg Jones 2011 Tyler Sash SS 2011 Jacquian Williams LB 2011 DaRel Scott RB 2010 Jason Pierre-Paul DE 2010 Linval Joseph DT 2010 Chad Jones DB 2010 Phillip Dillard LB 2010 Mitch Petrus G 2010 Adrian Tracy DE 2010 Matt Dodge P 2009 Hakeem Nicks WR 2009 Clint Sintim LB 2009 Will Beatty T 2009 Ramses Barden WR 2009 Travis Beckum TE 2009 Andre Brown RB 2009 Rhett Bomar QB 2009 DeAndre Wright 2009 Stoney Woodson DB 2008 Kenny Phillips DB 2008 Terrell Thomas DB 2008 Mario Manningham WR 2008 Bryan Kehl LB 2008 Jonathan Goff LB 2008 Andre Woodson QB 2008 Robert Henderson DE 2007 Aaron Ross 2007 Steve Smith WR 2007 Jay Alford 2007 Zak DeOssie LB 2007 Kevin Boss TE 2007 Adam Koets T . 2007 Michael Johnson DB 2007 Ahmad Bradshaw

Wow! a whole lot of swings and misses there.

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2011 Prince Amukamara DB 2011 Marvin Austin DL 2011 Jerrel Jernigan WR 2011 James Brewer OL 2011 Greg Jones 2011 Tyler Sash SS 2011 Jacquian Williams LB 2011 DaRel Scott RB Except for Prince they all were lousy picks. Even though Williams is a sometime starter, he's barely mediocre. Between the 2011 and 2012 drafts you would think that those players would be flourishing in their 3rd and 4th year in the league. Ugh.

I know this is crazy talk, but the Giants could probably have rolled up all the selections after Prince into another first round selection (or a high second round) and have been better off. The point being is that their selections after the first round have been mostly terrible (save for the occasional Bradshaw or Armstead).

we are getting a lot out of Kuhn ((eye roll))...fuck my life.

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Exactly!! And when will people stop blaming Reese for these draft picks ? You can bet your ass, TC had a lot of say with the selection of these players. If not all. It's time for a coaching change period! TC is a good coach. But, I think he's overrated.

Curious post. You think Coughlin is overrated. Based on what?

What expertise do you have to "rate" Coughlin as a NFL head coach? What data do you have that enables you to evaluate "coaching" ability independent of the players/talent available to work with?

3 Superbowl Rings, 2 as a head coach, 4 Championship Game appearances as a head coach, 1 Coach Of The Year Award.

He did it at BC, he did it in Jacksonville, and he wiped the slate clean in 2004 and built us into a perennial contender.

We are just in the slate wiping part right now. I'm confident that he can do it again.

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I mean - almost nobody ends up progressing the past few years. Guys sit in favor of vets who are terrible, well past their prime. We reserve roster spots for players who might not even be in the practice squad on other teams, and you think this is entirely a FO problem? Even if the scouts and the FO were terrible - a few good picks would sneak in and would progress after they hit the field. It seems even when we have picks that are lauded by other scouts and draftniks at draft time, they go backwards once they get here. If anything, I think that's more indicative of a problem with coaching than it is with drafting. A broken clock is at least right twice a day, it seems like we've been batting 0 for some time now.

totally agree with u. I scratch my head seeing overpaid Kiwi starting and Moore who has potential sitting on bench. This is the fault of one person, hint, its not Reese

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In comment 11991298 jcn56 said: Quote: I mean - almost nobody ends up progressing the past few years. Guys sit in favor of vets who are terrible, well past their prime. We reserve roster spots for players who might not even be in the practice squad on other teams, and you think this is entirely a FO problem? Even if the scouts and the FO were terrible - a few good picks would sneak in and would progress after they hit the field. It seems even when we have picks that are lauded by other scouts and draftniks at draft time, they go backwards once they get here. If anything, I think that's more indicative of a problem with coaching than it is with drafting. A broken clock is at least right twice a day, it seems like we've been batting 0 for some time now. totally agree with u. I scratch my head seeing overpaid Kiwi starting and Moore who has potential sitting on bench. This is the fault of one person, hint, its not Reese

Seriously. How could anyone not see how completely incompetent Coughlin is? And to think some people actually suggest the man may some time get into the HOF based upon his coaching career? Gimme a break! The man couldn't coach himself out of a fucking paper bag. I mean, he has no idea of the quality of his players. And just look at how well those players have done AFTER they leave and go to other teams!! Coughlin is the worst.

I don't come here on gameday aside from checking for inactives...

AMEN Tuna! And looking at those drafts... Yeah.. I get that the draft is a crapshoot.. and there are some hits.. but far more misses with some bad luck sprinkled in... Jones, Wilson.. But wow... I'd love to see how other teams compare from a still in the NFL standpoint... Our drafts have been terrible...