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NFT: Ike Davis DFA'd

doncam : 11/21/2014 10:05 am
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Chalk up another win for Sandy  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/21/2014 10:08 am : link
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Chalk up another win  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2014 10:09 am : link
for Valley Fever.

Apparently, the Pirates are moving Pedro Alvarez to 1B.  
doncam : 11/21/2014 10:10 am : link
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The Yanks...  
LarmerTJR : 11/21/2014 10:45 am : link
should kick the tires on this one. He could be useful at the stadium, and we need someone to back up Tex.
larmer's right  
feelflows : 11/21/2014 12:17 pm : link
when he doesn't K, his OF pop-ups would be HRs at Yankee Stadium.
I'd  
DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 12:20 pm : link
be pretty shocked if the Yankees don't inquire. Dad is an ex-Yankee and all. Ike is awful with the media however so a smaller market may make sense for him.
RE: Chalk up another win for Sandy  
MetsAreBack : 11/21/2014 12:23 pm : link
In comment 11991406 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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should probably see if Blake Taylor amounts to anything first before declaring victory
Reports  
DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 12:25 pm : link
on Taylor are pretty bad to be honest. It was "something" for nothing and he's still very young but odds are neither team gains anything from the Ike Davis trade.
Ike was addition  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2014 12:28 pm : link
by subtraction. I like most players or am indifferent about them, but i really grew to hate Ike Davis, like I hate Tejada (and like I admittedly irrationally hated Justin Turner).

That also doesn't consider the fact Duda was on the bench or in the OF (which was a shitshow).

So, even if Taylor amounts to nothing, getting rid of Ike and starting Duda is enough to call it a win.


RE: The Yanks...  
Dunedin81 : 11/21/2014 12:29 pm : link
In comment 11991461 LarmerTJR said:
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should kick the tires on this one. He could be useful at the stadium, and we need someone to back up Tex.


A-Rod and McCann will probably back up Teix.
RE: Ike was addition  
DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 12:30 pm : link
In comment 11991619 pjcas18 said:
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by subtraction. I like most players or am indifferent about them, but i really grew to hate Ike Davis, like I hate Tejada (and like I admittedly irrationally hated Justin Turner).

That also doesn't consider the fact Duda was on the bench or in the OF (which was a shitshow).

So, even if Taylor amounts to nothing, getting rid of Ike and starting Duda is enough to call it a win.



Agree word for word 100%. Though if Taylor turns out to be "nothing", I wouldn't put "not having Ike" as a "win" for Sandy, rather choosing Duda over him would be the "win". They reportedly turned down both Joyce and Britton for him. It happens, but damn Britton would be nice right about now.
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arcarsenal : 11/21/2014 12:33 pm : link
Fuck Justin Turner.
I don't view Ike as a good bench player  
steve in ky : 11/21/2014 12:34 pm : link
He can only play one position in the field, he is slow so can't use to pinch run, he strikes out a lot so isn't the guy you want to go to when needing a hit, doesn't hit lefthanders well at all, especially for power so teams could easily negate his HR threat if used as a pinch hitter.

I am sure someone will give him a look but what always made him intriguing was if he could be that 30 hr guy as your every day first baseman. IMO he is a poor guy to have on your bench.
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DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 12:37 pm : link
think offensively Ike can be a Hairston/Mark Reynolds type where you use him exclusively as a DH/occasional 1b but really the value would be 1 swing king ala one swing can change the game. I want Mark Reynolds for the Mets for this very reason.
Yeah, but if the other team has a lefty in their pen  
steve in ky : 11/21/2014 12:39 pm : link
That one swing will most often be a disappointment.
RE: Yeah, but if the other team has a lefty in their pen  
DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 12:40 pm : link
In comment 11991636 steve in ky said:
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That one swing will most often be a disappointment.


Sure but that's true of most lefty bench players. There is usually a reason they are on the bench. I mean if Kirk is on the Mets bench isn't that the same thing? or if Duda doesn't start and is used to pinch hit?
Believe  
DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 12:42 pm : link
it or not but Ike (in admittedly a very small sample size) has strong career numbers as a PH .276/.358/.483, in part because teams are scared of guys like him late in games due to his power.
Yeah but Kirk brings other values  
steve in ky : 11/21/2014 12:44 pm : link
in that he can play a variety of positions, is above average defensively and had good speed. Things you want in a bench player. Ike is much too one dimensional to be a valuable bench player.
RE: Yeah but Kirk brings other values  
DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 12:46 pm : link
In comment 11991648 steve in ky said:
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in that he can play a variety of positions, is above average defensively and had good speed. Things you want in a bench player. Ike is much too one dimensional to be a valuable bench player.


I guess we will have to disagree. I think in the AL where you can play a DH, Ike Davis is a worthy gamble for a team considering his price tag.
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arcarsenal : 11/21/2014 12:47 pm : link
A lot of teams carry a guy like Ike on their bench. He doesn't have to be able to play every position, teams like having a guy who can tie a game or take a lead with one swing.
I hope he does get a chance and adjust well to the role  
steve in ky : 11/21/2014 12:49 pm : link
I always liked Ike and it would be great if he excelled in that role. I just have my doubts but I agree someone will give him a look. Guys with power usually get a lot of second chances.
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DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 12:50 pm : link
In comment 11991658 arcarsenal said:
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A lot of teams carry a guy like Ike on their bench. He doesn't have to be able to play every position, teams like having a guy who can tie a game or take a lead with one swing.


Which is why I keep advocating Mark Reynolds. He's close with David Wright, I'm guessing he knows Cuddyer too since they are all part of that Virginia group along with the Upton brothers and Zimmerman, he can play 3b/1b/OF and one swing can change the game. I really like having 1 guy like that on the bench.
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steve in ky : 11/21/2014 12:51 pm : link
I agree that he will likely get a chance. I was just saying I don't believe he would be a very productive bench player. Just my opinion but I hope he proves me wrong.
Would this be totally crazy/laughable  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2014 12:56 pm : link
to suggest the Mets trade Montero to the Yankees for Arod (with the Yankees eating most of his salary)? I know it is, but it might be so crazy it just works.

And to get slightly crazier Arod would play SS.

I know he can't play the field really anymore, but how bad can he be? Plus, he should be well rested. Not to mention it is his lifelong dream to play for the Mets (LOL)

it seems like it would be at least a little awkward for Arod to return to the Yankees.

I know it's outlandish, but just trying to get creative to fill the SS role and I'm not sure what Arod's value is right now or how the Yankees view him - seems like some bad blood there especially with the FO.

I have reviewed this and I'm sober and still hit submit.
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arcarsenal : 11/21/2014 12:58 pm : link
I would take Mark Reynolds on the bench for sure.

Especially because he probably hit the biggest moon shot I've ever seen anyone hit at Citi when he was with Baltimore. The dude CRUSHED that ball.
pj  
steve in ky : 11/21/2014 1:01 pm : link
Please no, a forty year old who hasn't played in a long time, with injury history and likely hasn't played clean since his prime is not what the Mets need as they build around a young pitching staff. Especially if is cost them a quality trading chip.
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pjcas18 : 11/21/2014 1:02 pm : link
In comment 11991683 steve in ky said:
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Please no, a forty year old who hasn't played in a long time, with injury history and likely hasn't played clean since his prime is not what the Mets need as they build around a young pitching staff. Especially if is cost them a quality trading chip.


There are negatives sure, but who is your SS?
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DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 1:03 pm : link
In comment 11991679 arcarsenal said:
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I would take Mark Reynolds on the bench for sure.

Especially because he probably hit the biggest moon shot I've ever seen anyone hit at Citi when he was with Baltimore. The dude CRUSHED that ball.


Longest homers (at least to my eyes, I didn't measure them lol) I've ever seen in person were Mo Vaughn half way up the scoreboard, Delgado hit a walkoff vs. the Pirates and Luke Scott hit one at Yankee stadium that was ridiculous.
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steve in ky : 11/21/2014 1:05 pm : link
In comment 11991685 pjcas18 said:
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Please no, a forty year old who hasn't played in a long time, with injury history and likely hasn't played clean since his prime is not what the Mets need as they build around a young pitching staff. Especially if is cost them a quality trading chip.



There are negatives sure, but who is your SS?
I don't know what Sandy will come up with but I certainly hope it isn't Arod for Montero.
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arcarsenal : 11/21/2014 1:06 pm : link
In comment 11991686 DanMetroMan said:
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I would take Mark Reynolds on the bench for sure.

Especially because he probably hit the biggest moon shot I've ever seen anyone hit at Citi when he was with Baltimore. The dude CRUSHED that ball.



Longest homers (at least to my eyes, I didn't measure them lol) I've ever seen in person were Mo Vaughn half way up the scoreboard, Delgado hit a walkoff vs. the Pirates and Luke Scott hit one at Yankee stadium that was ridiculous.


Mo Vaughn off the Budweiser sign was hilarious. It looked like a cartoon.
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pjcas18 : 11/21/2014 1:14 pm : link
In comment 11991686 DanMetroMan said:
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I would take Mark Reynolds on the bench for sure.

Especially because he probably hit the biggest moon shot I've ever seen anyone hit at Citi when he was with Baltimore. The dude CRUSHED that ball.



Longest homers (at least to my eyes, I didn't measure them lol) I've ever seen in person were Mo Vaughn half way up the scoreboard, Delgado hit a walkoff vs. the Pirates and Luke Scott hit one at Yankee stadium that was ridiculous.


For me it was McGwire at the Fenway Park all-star game batting practice. I was on Landsdowne Street and some of those HR's seemed like they were close to landing on the Mass Pike.
People  
DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 1:17 pm : link
can piss and moan about steroids but McGwire/Sosa etc helped bring the casual fan back to baseball. It became buzzworthy again
Still one of my favorite baseball seasons  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2014 1:20 pm : link
ever, the whole world was practically captivated by that chase in 1998.

the back and forth between McGwire and Sosa was incredible.

I know it's for the best, but it's a little sad how things have changed so much since then.
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arcarsenal : 11/21/2014 1:27 pm : link
It definitely got a little TOO Slugfest-ish back then but the game needed it and come on, it was fun to watch.

I think we're almost too far in the other direction again but I like baseball enough to not lose interest if the games are lower scoring and less balls are going out of the park.
The shift and the two minutes between pitches...  
Dunedin81 : 11/21/2014 1:28 pm : link
have made the game close to unwatchable for casual fans. Also the Giants/Dodgers rivalry may be helping the game on the Left Coast but the sorry state of the Yankees and Sox (the 2013 run excepted for the Sox) is certainly not having that impact in the Northeast.
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DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 1:29 pm : link
but Arc, you aren't the "casual" fan. You are pretty "hardcore"
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arcarsenal : 11/21/2014 1:34 pm : link
Oh, 100%. I absolutely think the game is in a place right now where it's unappealing to casual fans. Baseball will always do well regionally when teams are decent-good and worth watching but other than that, really not so much.
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DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 1:42 pm : link
In comment 11991748 arcarsenal said:
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Oh, 100%. I absolutely think the game is in a place right now where it's unappealing to casual fans. Baseball will always do well regionally when teams are decent-good and worth watching but other than that, really not so much.


I've said this before but the disconnect is that YES pitching duels can be awesome. Matt Harvey vs. Kershaw in a 1-0 nail biter can be one of the most exciting games in sports BUT Dillon Gee giving up rockets all over the field and the Mets winning/losing 4-2 because of the ballpark just isn't a lot of fun. I honestly think MLB is going to make some sort of major adjustment to the game in the next 5 years. Lowering the mound, moving the mound back etc.
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arcarsenal : 11/21/2014 1:45 pm : link
I could definitely see adjustments made.

I don't know if the pitch clock thing is going to work or not but they've got to find a way to speed up the game a little bit. I love the Mets, I really do.. but in the middle of the summer, I don't want to have to set aside 3 and a half hours to just watch one of 162 games. It's insane.
I find the pace of a Mets game to be pretty good  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/21/2014 1:48 pm : link
but that may be because of the announce team being excellent.
RE: The shift and the two minutes between pitches...  
speedywheels : 11/21/2014 1:59 pm : link
In comment 11991737 Dunedin81 said:
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have made the game close to unwatchable for casual fans. Also the Giants/Dodgers rivalry may be helping the game on the Left Coast but the sorry state of the Yankees and Sox (the 2013 run excepted for the Sox) is certainly not having that impact in the Northeast.


Agree re delay between pitches, I'm tired of people griping about the shift. If pull hitters would learn to hit the other way every now and then, or - gasp - drop a periodic bunt, the shift would disappear. But until then, pull hitters will stupidly continue to get out hitting into the teeth of the shift.
RE: RE: The shift and the two minutes between pitches...  
Dunedin81 : 11/21/2014 2:20 pm : link
In comment 11991784 speedywheels said:
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have made the game close to unwatchable for casual fans. Also the Giants/Dodgers rivalry may be helping the game on the Left Coast but the sorry state of the Yankees and Sox (the 2013 run excepted for the Sox) is certainly not having that impact in the Northeast.



Agree re delay between pitches, I'm tired of people griping about the shift. If pull hitters would learn to hit the other way every now and then, or - gasp - drop a periodic bunt, the shift would disappear. But until then, pull hitters will stupidly continue to get out hitting into the teeth of the shift.


Yes the hitters should fix it, but many of them are not. And because they're not, we're watching power hitters line out to 2B three times a game. Ultimately it may fix itself, but it gives particular at bats all the drama of a late-game kneeldown in football.
RE: Would this be totally crazy/laughable  
MetsAreBack : 11/21/2014 3:49 pm : link
In comment 11991674 pjcas18 said:
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to suggest the Mets trade Montero to the Yankees for Arod (with the Yankees eating most of his salary)? I know it is, but it might be so crazy it just works.

And to get slightly crazier Arod would play SS.




Holy shit. Dont quit your day job. Mets give up one of their best shortstops for the ARod circus?

What's next... you guys want McDonaugh back for Tokarski?
shortstops = prospects ... obviously  
MetsAreBack : 11/21/2014 3:50 pm : link
of course at this stage of their careers, Montero is probably a better defensive shortstop than Arod too.
Ike was never the same after that goof ball Pelfrey couldn't direct  
doncam : 11/21/2014 4:33 pm : link
the infield defense on a pop-up to the mound.
I'll never forget what Keith Hernandez said about Ike  
kepler20 : 11/21/2014 6:01 pm : link
during ike's rookie year, before the struggles and everyone talked about Ike's distance from the plate, Keith delivered an ominous message during one of the games late in a season.

He said plainly on air that Ike was difficult to deal with from a coach's standpoint because he was stubborn and felt that he knew it all.

I also disagree about Ike's failures  
kepler20 : 11/21/2014 6:03 pm : link
to me, it looked like he never could adjust after the league figured out to pound him outside with fastballs and finish him off with breaking balls down in the zone.

Ike's swing was always long and him standing away from the plate hurt him. He needed to make wholesale changes to his swing and stance, but he never did those things. To me it just looked like his early success was simply based off the league not adjusting, and when they did, Ike never was able to make the following adjustment to remain a successful hitter
RE: shortstops = prospects ... obviously  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2014 6:14 pm : link
In comment 11991908 MetsAreBack said:
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of course at this stage of their careers, Montero is probably a better defensive shortstop than Arod too.


LOL, I was surprised I got no replies like this before yours.

In truth though, I was crushed in 2001 when Steve Phillips pulled out of the arod sweepstakes.

He should have been a Met, though Tom Hicks made that less likely, Steve Phillips didn't help.

And the NHL favors the Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 11/21/2014 7:31 pm : link
so much I'm a little surprised the league hasn't stepped in and handed McDonagh back to Montreal "in the best interest of the league"
I'm  
DanMetroMan : 11/21/2014 8:02 pm : link
not defending Ike Davis at all because he was a known jerk dating back to his time with the Cyclones but I'd be careful to put too much weight into what Keith says. He was personally offended when Ike turned down a chance to work with him (Murphy and others did) and from that point on Keith was pretty openly "anti-Ike". Reyes apparently was too busy to talk to Keith one day in the lockerroom and a similar on-air vendetta began (they also "fought" on a plane).
can the Mets sign him  
spike : 11/21/2014 9:54 pm : link
to be the bat off the bench?
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