to see the Giants get it together and look like a good football team again, if just for one week.
We haven't won in nearly two months and the odds are against us, but it sure would make for a great Thanksgiving if the Giants can send those turds packing back to Dallas with an L, then have to turn around and face the Eagles in four days in a huge division matchup.
One final F-ck you to the Dallas.
Love,
The Gmen 2014 and Tom Coughlin.
i wonder if the same will happen here
That's what I have left to root for this season and I'm stickin to it. Let the young guys develop and look to 2015.
If it takes skullfucking to piss off management enough to force changes, then here is my skull! Fuck it.
Quality wins from here on out only do the job of convincing some people that we really can compete when everything comes together. Fans that want us to win out and would be happy with the moral victory of a 9-7 season and missing the playoffs yet again in the Eli/Coughlin/Reese era can get out my face.
Nothing to do with records, the draft, etc...
Just kick their ass just to feel good about themselves again. Give the fans some hope for next year, and a nice holiday for everybody (except Cowboys fans).
Please win sunday. Please. Just win this game.
:)
If it was one thing you had to correct, that is one thing.....but this team, finds ways to screw up, from a multitude of angles....the opportunities are there, and this team, just does not take advantage of it, or it creates it's own mistakes, and FINDS a way to lose.....
The fumble by Demps, the fumble by Donnell, the two fumbles in a drive by Seattle, the 4 yard line fiasco last week.....it just happens week after week, where this team manages to shoot itself in the foot....there are too many games where this team does not show up.....and yes while there have been injuries, there have been plays that should have been made by these professionals.....it's sad, when a team has to play mistake free football, to beat a team with a winning record...
If the Giants lose out and get a high pick there is still no guarantee they won't screw it up so why hope for something which may not help?
I thought the Giants were going to win last week and we all no how this turned out. I think they get killed Sunday...so maybe they'll still a win.
You just never know!
I am typing like the Giants play!
Agreed. Can't root for them to lose, but can't root for them to win either knowing the downside to winning at this point. Really a no-win situation, sadly.
All Are Absolutely Needed So That We Don't Miss The Playoffs For A FOURTH straight Year Next Season.
We're not. The inertia has locked in. We've felt like shit after enough Giants games over the last few seasons. And not enough has changed. Which tells me there hasn't been enough pain yet for the organization. So if that's what it'll take, so be it. It's their choice, not ours.
Beating the Cowboys isn't going to make me feel any better about a team that is going nowhere. There's no hope for this season. No point in pretending.
I certainly won't feel bad if the Giants win. But it seems like the only wins the Giants get recently have been insignificant wins that people point to as signs of hope. After last years 0-6, people told themselves 7-3 down the stretch meant something. It didn't. Meaningless wins are meaning less.
I hear you. And I certainly don't begrudge you that feeling.
It sucks, but jcn's turn of phrase is most apt. It feels like a no win situation.
And, then fire Marc Ross. Thank you, drive through.
You don't fire the coaches or GM in November. You play football games. Every game I watch the Giants play, I hope they win.
Plenty of time for reassessing, and head lopping, if necessary, in January.
Enough of hearing the cry..."one more year", and reminiscing about past glory. That and $2.50 gets you a cup a cold coffee and lots of empty seats.
When you turn over a substantial part of your team, and the results are even worse as a result, there has to be a reckoning. Injuries should not protect anybody's job after the dust settles, but if it does, we'll most likely be right back here a year from now wondering what the hell happened (when we already knew the answers).
This organization needs an enema, it's time for vast change, imo. No sense in winning 6 games, retaining players/coaches that should be replaced so the future can actually begin in full.
And I think the benefits of late season winning streaks are overstated.
Going 7-3 down the stretch last season helped build this season. So if you want to set the bar at awful-to-mediocre football, you just have to hope for more of the same. That's the current Giants football team and culture. I don't feel badly about want to see this dramatically improved. Fans of the status quo, enjoy.
I definitely was in 2003 towards the end. Not cheering when the opposition scored, but I was hoping we'd lose.
And no, they don't ruin my week like they used to. The team bought itself a lot of credit with me 2005-2011.
But I do like to see them win every once in awhile. And we haven't had a lot of winning lately.
Not for something that will make me feel moderately better for a few hours.
Like I said, you guys aren't wrong but I can't do it.
Like I said, you guys aren't wrong but I can't do it.
It's not about the draft order for me. As I said, it's about the organization being sufficiently shaken to take bigger steps. For instance, of all the coordinators to let go last season, KG felt like s scapegoat. Lip to service to the idea of BIG CHANGE. Meanwhile, PF and TQ are still here. Along with the architects of this mess.
The team needs more change. And things usually have to get worse before they get better. The Giants have been running on the fumes from an improbable run in '11 for a few seasons now. I think that left the team, and some fans, under a number of illusions. It appears those needed to be shredded completely.
Probably throw a bunch of picks, then lead a fourth quarter comeback, like Eli.
Unlike some I would like to see them run the table. However, what have they done this season that leads you to believe that it's within the realm of possibility?
Instead I've been like this.. in front of the TV
so I'm all in on beating dallas this week! to hell with the draft!
I don't agree with this strategy either unless they're planning on canning everyone in the building and starting over. I don't see ownership doing that, not remotely. Time will tell.
Having said all that, if we ultimately do lose, it wont weigh on me as much because I already have very low expectations for this game/season. A win would shut the Cowboy fans and media lovers up. If nothing else, id take that. If we lose, were on our way to a better draft pick. Let the chips fall where they may, but ill be rooting us on come 8:30 on Sunday at Metlife.
I don't agree with this strategy either unless they're planning on canning everyone in the building and starting over. I don't see ownership doing that, not remotely. Time will tell.
'Tanking the season' is an organizational strategy. I'm not suggesting that nor do I believe the Giants would ever do it. I also don't see everyone in the building getting canned and starting over. Because 1. The Giants 2. Eli.
So none of that is what I'm saying.
I'm saying this isn't a good football team and one week performances aren't that important to me right now.
To the extent that further losing might make the organization more interested in taking meaningful steps towards breaking up the rot that has brought us 6 out of 7 seasons with no playoffs, I'm okay with that.
'11 was an exceptional season in almost every way. Some folks (not you, shep) still seem confused by that because it ended with something shiny.
Losing is for losers.
Beating the cowboys is one of best feelings.
I think that's why watching a game is losing it's effect on some fans..They try to play coach, GM, scout and owner instead of being a fan..
We're not. The inertia has locked in. We've felt like shit after enough Giants games over the last few seasons. And not enough has changed. Which tells me there hasn't been enough pain yet for the organization. So if that's what it'll take, so be it. It's their choice, not ours.
Beating the Cowboys isn't going to make me feel any better about a team that is going nowhere. There's no hope for this season. No point in pretending.
I certainly won't feel bad if the Giants win. But it seems like the only wins the Giants get recently have been insignificant wins that people point to as signs of hope. After last years 0-6, people told themselves 7-3 down the stretch meant something. It didn't. Meaningless wins are meaning less.
Since when is a win over Dallas a "meaningless" win regardless of record? In the 70's the Dallas games WERE my SB's. After this week then, yeah, they are.
Its a fucking football game, not your retirement plan. Stop over analyzing and enjoy it for what it is....entertainment that you have zero control over
Because its a meaningless game and makes us less likely to win meaningful games in the future.
This organization needs an enema, it's time for vast change, imo. No sense in winning 6 games, retaining players/coaches that should be replaced so the future can actually begin in full.
It's the ability to take a grasp of the whole situation, rather than having meaningless wins after the fact, that clouds good judgement after the season by Mara. Sure he intervened after last year by attacking not the true root of the problem here for last few seasons..and not seeing the overall big trend. It's like putting a band aide on a large leaking crack in the Hoover Dam and saying: "that should be good for awhile now"
Nope. The Giants have more talent now, especially at the QB position. Adding higher draft picks rather than lower draft picks will increase their chances of winning in the future.
Do you really think draft position doesn't matter?
Where we disagree is that I believe the best way for us to be competitive in the future is for the players on the roster now to start playing better and for the coaching staff we have in place now to start coaching better.
Wins and loses don't happen in a vacuum, better teams win, worse teams lose. I rather be a better team.
Not to mention watching the Giants play well and win is much more enjoyable for me....and that is all I'm really after, to be entertained for a few hours watching my favorite team.
*In that manly kind of respectful way, of course.
I understand, man. I doubt we're really that far apart. Shooting the shit on a Friday. Come Sunday night, the instinct will kick in. Mostly, I think I'm just sparing myself further hurt. I've done denial, anger, blame, whatever. I'm at acceptance.