NFT: Kennedy assassination theories?

All of your questions will be answered.

but Oswald was the lone crazed gunman. People can't deal with the fact that a low life could, in a single minute, wipe out the life of a very important man.

If Oswald was the lone shooter there was still a cover up surrounding the handling of the case. The goal being to avoid plunging the world into a nuclear age world war.

Because where are the Oswald interrogation tapes? What happened to them?

Many of the theories are compelling and I wish the govt would just release all the data they have on it already.

I kind of lean. Towards the cia and lbj theories but think it is most likely that Oswald was a lone shooter.

Maybe. But I still believe one lone crazed gunman. similiar to lone terrorist Al queda wannabe's now.

There was plenty of mix up and coverup after the fact that clouds the issue, but they were due largely to ignorance, incompetence or simply out of a desire to protect others from embarrassment or pain.

theory that he was killed by mutants best

trying to cover up their own incompetence. I do believe Oswald was the lone shooter, but I think he had to have some assistance. Whether that was nation-state backed, was Mafia driven, was just some small cadre of loons, is a different story.

More difficult to answer is how do they continue to fake putting a flag on the moon - and the real biggie - how is it that so many Americans still believe there was a terrorist attack on 9/11?

And I bet the JFK assassination is linked to the fake moon walk which ultimately led to the decision to fake the implosion of the twin towers.

Hard to accept but it was Oswald alone. He was a marxist loser and already a failed assassin when he read in the paper that the presidential limo would roll right beneath his window at work. At lunch time no less. He used this golden opportunity to punish the country he detested. It took the little punk three shots to hit his target but he was successful.

A ton of evidence would have convicted him and if Ruby had not capped him he would have fried and been forgotten.

Very simple. He brought a rifle to work. No 'cutrain rods' were ever found.

Oswald.

In comment 11992456 baadbill said:

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More difficult to answer is how do they continue to fake putting a flag on the moon - and the real biggie - how is it that so many Americans still believe there was a terrorist attack on 9/11? And I bet the JFK assassination is linked to the fake moon walk which ultimately led to the decision to fake the implosion of the twin towers.

God I miss Kubrick.

I am a trauma surgeon and teach wound ballistics as a medical school professor. While I do believe Oswald was the sole assassin, having been to Dallas and inspected and studied and photographed the site, there is an interesting technical book called "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menninger (son of Dr. Karl Menninger the famous psychiatrist)which goes over much of the ballistics and other factors of the incident (and was made into a TV documentary) which supports that the FATAL shot to the right occipital parietal area was accidentally fired by a secret service agent sitting on the deck of the chase car (behind the open Kennedy convertible) and provides some interesting ballistic data for consideration including angles and wound of entrance discrepancies. It does not dispute that Oswald was involved in the initial shots, but the first one was survivable and one missed the president. It was the last one that is questioned. Also check out the "pristine bullet-exhibit 399 in the Warren Commission investigation. It will give you much to think about, though as a professional ballistics investigator, while I still think Oswald was the initial and PERHAPS the actual killer I can't say I'm certain. It likely will never be proven beyond a doubt in our lifetime due to restrictions on some of the data which are in place for 75 years after 1963.

Then i believe he had unknown assistance.

In other words some of the powers that be received info that an attempt was going to be made by him and decided to see if it would work with a bit of assistance from them. Some details were shared such as where he would do it for example. He then unknowingly received help in the manner of designed route to maximize his attempt, Security minimized, hindrance of investigation into Oswald prior to the visit, etc..

I don't believe there was a mass multi-agency conspiracy. Just a few powerful people pulling a few strings behind the curtain and it fell into place. This also explains the Ruby aspect in that he was another pawn used to get rid of the only person who can help piece it all together.

There are just too many aspects outside the actual shooting that make zero sense. Things like allowing Oswald back in country after he defected and gave secret info to Russia. Not only allowing him back in but actually funding it.

HE did it alone. End of debate. Did anyone see the recent movie about the hospital. I forget the name of the hospital.

Can you imagine what those doctors went through. They tried to save JFK and then they had to try and save oswald. Unreal.

Its hard to believe a man like Oswald...a zero, a loser , a nobody...can have such an effect on the world and world history by killing Kennedy.

But it is true...i think that's why people almost want there to be a conspiracy...it should be some great plot that takes down a president...not some schmuck who bought a rifle.

Anyway...check out this book...Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugliosi. Its long...but its the definitive piece on showing Oswald as the gunman. He put out a shorter version called Four Days in November...not nearly as detailed...but makes the same case

Are in the movie Dark Legacy. Some are more believable than others.

Here is one good one:

Oswald was a double agent - the CIA found out, and that's why Oswald was setup as the fall guy.... But Oswald was actually also reporting back to the FBI about the CIA.

In comment 11992500 nkleppel said:

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I am a trauma surgeon and teach wound ballistics as a medical school professor. While I do believe Oswald was the sole assassin, having been to Dallas and inspected and studied and photographed the site, there is an interesting technical book called "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menninger (son of Dr. Karl Menninger the famous psychiatrist)which goes over much of the ballistics and other factors of the incident (and was made into a TV documentary) which supports that the FATAL shot to the right occipital parietal area was accidentally fired by a secret service agent sitting on the deck of the chase car (behind the open Kennedy convertible) and provides some interesting ballistic data for consideration including angles and wound of entrance discrepancies. It does not dispute that Oswald was involved in the initial shots, but the first one was survivable and one missed the president. It was the last one that is questioned. Also check out the "pristine bullet-exhibit 399 in the Warren Commission investigation. It will give you much to think about, though as a professional ballistics investigator, while I still think Oswald was the initial and PERHAPS the actual killer I can't say I'm certain. It likely will never be proven beyond a doubt in our lifetime due to restrictions on some of the data which are in place for 75 years after 1963.

. Thanks for insight.

it was Oswald alone. Took a lot of abuse as being stupid and naive over the years for that especially after that dishonest movie came out.

In comment 11992500 nkleppel said:

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I am a trauma surgeon and teach wound ballistics as a medical school professor. While I do believe Oswald was the sole assassin, having been to Dallas and inspected and studied and photographed the site, there is an interesting technical book called "Mortal Error" by Bonar Menninger (son of Dr. Karl Menninger the famous psychiatrist)which goes over much of the ballistics and other factors of the incident (and was made into a TV documentary) which supports that the FATAL shot to the right occipital parietal area was accidentally fired by a secret service agent sitting on the deck of the chase car (behind the open Kennedy convertible) and provides some interesting ballistic data for consideration including angles and wound of entrance discrepancies. It does not dispute that Oswald was involved in the initial shots, but the first one was survivable and one missed the president. It was the last one that is questioned. Also check out the "pristine bullet-exhibit 399 in the Warren Commission investigation. It will give you much to think about, though as a professional ballistics investigator, while I still think Oswald was the initial and PERHAPS the actual killer I can't say I'm certain. It likely will never be proven beyond a doubt in our lifetime due to restrictions on some of the data which are in place for 75 years after 1963.

If you haven't seen the Nova show about the dynamics of the 'magic bullet', I would recommend it. You'd certainly find it interesting. Particular characteristics unique to that round, and that round only.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365118537/

Regarding the third and final round, while your explanation is certainly possible, I've also read a quote from the Chief Surgeon in the Kennedy emergency room stating that the term 'Occipital-Parietal Region' was often misused by medical professionals at the time, or something to that effect. I don't recall it exactly. It was a general description of a more encompassing area, rather than using a more specific term to narrow down a location.

In comment 11992706 mattlawson said:

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Are in the movie Dark Legacy. Some are more believable than others. Here is one good one: Oswald was a double agent - the CIA found out, and that's why Oswald was setup as the fall guy.... But Oswald was actually also reporting back to the FBI about the CIA.

Matt i like the idea of him being a double agent also. I think though he was a double agent for the CIA when he defected to the USSR. It explains a few questionable things that happened.

There was a movie that someone recommended here that was done during the 80s that Tommy Lee Jones And Gene Hackman in it. I think it was called the package. Basically the JFK plot updated to the Cold War era. Very interesting.

That is certainly not the only insight that dark Legacy shares but it's one of the ones that I think makes a lot of sense you don't believe Oswald alone was involved

An M16A1locked and loaded safety off,then the car your in makes a sudden stop or jerk.I have to believe the fatal shot was friendly fire. The rifle Oswald was using would have gone right through the skull not fragment it.

still care after all these years? Was John Wilkes Boothe working alone? A better question is why does everyone hate the Kennedys? Most of the guys (wiseguys) who helped Joe Kennedy fix the 1960 election got stabbed in the back after JFK got in the Whitehouse. Sam Giancarna, Frank Sinatra, et al. Nobody had more enemies than JFK, unless it was Robert Kennedy, the Attorney General.

In comment 11992845 Zebra3 said:

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An M16A1locked and loaded safety off,then the car your in makes a sudden stop or jerk.I have to believe the fatal shot was friendly fire. The rifle Oswald was using would have gone right through the skull not fragment it.

What do you think the odds of a secret service agent:
1) riding with an M16 (never saw motorcade SS with M16)
2) riding with the safety off
3) riding with his finger on the trigger aimed at the president.

The bullet fragmenting is interesting, though.

He was a guy who took care and washed the presidential limo most of the time. He was forced into service that day because most of the detail was hung over after parting most of the night some at rubys club. They had a late night and early morning,it's why at the hospital they are all covering for each other. Disobeying policy and destroying evidence,even cleaning the limo.

I saw that same documentary. It was very interesting to say the least. I've seen several and that one stick out in my mind. Another was they took several accomplished modern day marksman and using the same exact rifle model Oswald used and employing a moving target none of them were able to fire as many rounds as Oswald allegdly fired off in that same amount of time.

Conclusion was it was physically impossible being that it was a bolt action rifle and as a result their accuracy was compromised as they tried to to fire off those rounds in the same amount time. I found that to be even more interesting.

I for one have watched and read a lot of stuff on the Kennedy assassination and while I don't profess to have any expertise it just seems to me that logic is crying out more on the side that this man while responsible do not act alone.

The one image I believe that is most vexing is that final shot that ultimately did Kennedy in was when he was hunched froward after being hit then his head flies backward as he is hit again by the kill shot. If Oswald is shooting from behind the President how is that possible?

In comment 11993296 blueblood'11 said:

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I saw that same documentary. It was very interesting to say the least. I've seen several and that one stick out in my mind. Another was they took several accomplished modern day marksman and using the same exact rifle model Oswald used and employing a moving target none of them were able to fire as many rounds as Oswald allegdly fired off in that same amount of time. Conclusion was it was physically impossible being that it was a bolt action rifle and as a result their accuracy was compromised as they tried to to fire off those rounds in the same amount time. I found that to be even more interesting. I for one have watched and read a lot of stuff on the Kennedy assassination and while I don't profess to have any expertise it just seems to me that logic is crying out more on the side that this man while responsible do not act alone. The one image I believe that is most vexing is that final shot that ultimately did Kennedy in was when he was hunched froward after being hit then his head flies backward as he is hit again by the kill shot. If Oswald is shooting from behind the President how is that possible?

In the other thread I wrote about a show that re-enacted the shooting, believe it was an Australian company. They were able to do it.

never got over Marilyn

made the bullet swerve but he wasn't trying to kill Kennedy, he was trying to save him.

In comment 11993548 Pete in MD said:

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made the bullet swerve but he wasn't trying to kill Kennedy, he was trying to save him.

Magneto?
Or was it the guy in the storm drain.

is that each side has some incredible coincidences. It's hard to believe either story. Oswald alone has a lot of holes. But at the same time, NOT oswald has a lot of holes.

At a bare minimum, there are some questions.

for me, Oswald was questionable as to how he managed to defect and then come back so easily. There's so much ambiguity about Oswald, his actions, his afiliations, that it is hard to simply accept the 'wacked individual' explanation.

so, he's involved. It has never, ever, been explained why he was prime suspect from the second minute (they didn't suspect him in the first minute, and let him go, then all of a sudden it was all points bulletin look out for Oswald. why?)

So many coincidental stuff happening regardless of which story you believe. What little we know about Oswald's testimony after the shooting has him alleging conspiracy, but somehow all notes are lost. People ending up dead. the brain is missing. a magic bullet. Ruby bumping him off, ensuring his testimony never sees the light of day. statements from authorities making it clear that Oswald had to be seen as the lone gunman, so much evidence either never taken, or lost, in a presidential assassination, it strains credibility.

Oswald could easily be the lone gunman. But, there's so much crap involved in proving it, that he could easily be just part of the story.

the oops secret service bullet seems to be given a lot of traction lately. I do think it's obvious that some 'coverup' is involved, whether it's just a desire to pin it all on Oswald (rightly or wrongly making sure no conspiracy is envisioned, which ironically makes sure that questions arise) or to cover an oops bullet, or to cover up something. It's painfully obvious that the official story stretches credibility. It could be true. the opposite stretches credibility, too. But that's why the conspiracy theory still has life: because all stories have holes. If you want to believe the official lone gunman theory, fine. Just admit that there are holes.

One thing I am absolutely sure of, regardless of what the actual set of circumstances are, the official investigation was fucked up. they determined Oswald to be guilty, and acting alone, and then set about proving that concept, automatically denying any alternative, which only led to people questioning the lone gunman theory.

He may had had help, but I don't know who provided it.

As for the various conspiracy theories, I think a lot of it is people letting their personal politics intrude on the question. Name me a conservative who thinks it was the CIA, FBI or LBJ? Name me a liberal who thinks it was the KGB or Castro.

In comment 11993574 fkap said:

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for me, Oswald was questionable as to how he managed to defect and then come back so easily.

Absolutely..We are talking about this all happening during the period where we had the worse relationship in our history with the USSR. Yet here you have a low level enlisted man that tries to defect to Russia on a couple of occasions and finally succeeds by giving them secret info regarding a pretty important military advantage: our radar system.

Then the guy is not only allowed back in, but we actually fund his move to Dallas. It was virtually unheard of during that time for anyone to come back in, let alone some lowly asshole who we knew gave secrets to our biggest enemy then

Oswald was a CIA operative. He fit the sterotype for a double agent,or at the very least someone used by both side. Even if it was disinformation it still proves he had connections on both sides. Not a wacko who hates the government. Also Oswald had a better shot when the motorcade turn on Houston st coming at him instead of the turn away on Elm. If it's just him firing then that's when he should and had the best chance. But then his position is given away at once not masking where it came from. CIA 101 Training.

In comment 11993682 Zebra3 said:

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Oswald was a CIA operative.

No, he wasn't. He was a complete loser with an ax to grind that not only killed the president, but a policeman. CIA operatives don't kill policeman.

he was in favor of telling the truth about Area 51 and the aliens we captured. Wait - maybe I got that wrong - maybe the aliens in Area 51 were BEHIND the assassination! Yea, that has to be it!

In comment 11993711 baadbill said:

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he was in favor of telling the truth about Area 51 and the aliens we captured. Wait - maybe I got that wrong - maybe the aliens in Area 51 were BEHIND the assassination! Yea, that has to be it!

Now this makes sense. Nice of those captured aliens to help design the SR-71. How else can you explain a plane designed in the early 60's is still the fastest, highest flying plane 50 years after it flew.

In comment 11993711 baadbill said:

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he was in favor of telling the truth about Area 51 and the aliens we captured. Wait - maybe I got that wrong - maybe the aliens in Area 51 were BEHIND the assassination! Yea, that has to be it!

After you kill the President and a policeman the first thing you want to do is wander around downtown and then take in a movie?
Or did the aliens erase his memory?

In comment 11993753 Zebra3 said:

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In comment 11993711 baadbill said: Quote: he was in favor of telling the truth about Area 51 and the aliens we captured. Wait - maybe I got that wrong - maybe the aliens in Area 51 were BEHIND the assassination! Yea, that has to be it! After you kill the President and a policeman the first thing you want to do is wander around downtown and then take in a movie? Or did the aliens erase his memory?

Yea, hiding in a dark movie theatre is just dumb.

With help from the mob. It's a no brainer. Oswald was a patsy. He even said so before the mob guy, Ruby, silenced him.

Wait that's not his place to get support or contact someone.

Area 51 is for real.

Oh, and what is really neat about all this is ... the fact that the aliens are connected to the Big Foot mystery!

that YOU are really living inside the Matrix and the rest of us are just part of your computer generated "reality".

A conspiracy theory is a theory without evidence.

I strongly 2nd the recommendation to watch the NOVA special called Cold Case: JFK. It answers all the questions conspiracy theorists have asked over the years.

One of the many reason I feel confident saying Oswald acted alone is because he used a pre-owned $12 rifle. Is that really the rifle that would be used if Oswald was affiliated with a group with huge financial resources?