I've done some statistical analysis on Giants D....

but i suppose it was smart to get rid of LInval LOL

what a mess.

or a list of sobering NFL ranks? lol

I see that you looked up rankings and posted them.

SAS or SPSS to run your numbers?

In comment 11993566 shabu said:

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but i suppose it was smart to get rid of LInval LOL what a mess.

That was a horrible decision by the front office. They thought Hankins could replace Linval , which he has done a very good job at doing. But now instead of teaming Linval with Hankins , they weakened there team by only having one good DT at stopping the run.

Is the same as our ability to run on offense or lack there of. Teams stop our running game in its tracks and we can't stop the run on defense. You will not win too many games if teams can run at will on us. I don't think was an upgrade over Canty. And Joseph and Robbins have yet to be replaced by Hankins.

In comment 11993571 arcarsenal said:

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I see that you looked up rankings and posted them.

Let me analyze some statistics for u things then.

Here are the top 9 teams in the Nfl at stopping the Run.

1 Detroit 227 688 3.0 35 4 68.8 4 3
2 Denver 222 734 3.3 27 5 73.4 1 0
3 Arizona 230 805 3.5 33 5 80.5 2 0
4 NY Jets 246 832 3.4 52 4 83.2 5 1
5 Baltimore 245 845 3.4 26 6 84.5 6 4
6 San Francisco 229 886 3.9 37 5 88.6 3 1
7 Seattle 255 908 3.6 47 7 90.8 9 4
8 Miami 247 945 3.8 47 4 94.5 5 2
9 Buffalo 255 990 3.9 39 5 99.0 4 3

All of these teams give up less than 99 yards a game on the ground. With the exeption of the Jets all have winning records.

When you compare and analyze the Giants Rushing Defense , which gives up an average of 145 yards a game , they are the worst Rushing D in the NFL. As u analyze the yards per carry compared to Wins and Losses , the teams who stop the run Win and the teams who don't Lose.

He signed a generous FA contact. With all the holes on this team, it would have been irresponsible to commit that kind of money to a solid but hardly spectacular DT. Some of you guys act like LJ was cut and then snatched up to play for nothing. Frankly, there's plenty to criticize with our front office but letting LJ walk for the money the Vikes gave doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

In comment 11993604 trueblueinpw said:

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He signed a generous FA contact. With all the holes on this team, it would have been irresponsible to commit that kind of money to a solid but hardly spectacular DT. Some of you guys act like LJ was cut and then snatched up to play for nothing. Frankly, there's plenty to criticize with our front office but letting LJ walk for the money the Vikes gave doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

I don't know his contract , but obviously what I've presented has shown that we need more players who are good at stopping the run. Linval was good at it.

In comment 11993596 sxdxca said:

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In comment 11993571 arcarsenal said: Quote: I see that you looked up rankings and posted them. Let me analyze some statistics for u things then. Here are the top 9 teams in the Nfl at stopping the Run. 1 Detroit 227 688 3.0 35 4 68.8 4 3 2 Denver 222 734 3.3 27 5 73.4 1 0 3 Arizona 230 805 3.5 33 5 80.5 2 0 4 NY Jets 246 832 3.4 52 4 83.2 5 1 5 Baltimore 245 845 3.4 26 6 84.5 6 4 6 San Francisco 229 886 3.9 37 5 88.6 3 1 7 Seattle 255 908 3.6 47 7 90.8 9 4 8 Miami 247 945 3.8 47 4 94.5 5 2 9 Buffalo 255 990 3.9 39 5 99.0 4 3 All of these teams give up less than 99 yards a game on the ground. With the exeption of the Jets all have winning records. When you compare and analyze the Giants Rushing Defense , which gives up an average of 145 yards a game , they are the worst Rushing D in the NFL. As u analyze the yards per carry compared to Wins and Losses , the teams who stop the run Win and the teams who don't Lose.

Doesn't look like you provided any information that any of us didn't know....or, at the very least, haven't seen

We all know the Defense has been dreadful for the past three seasons

Didn't really need to bring out the Texas Instruments to let us know there, Copernicus

I don't think you know what analysis actually means. As arc said, you didn't provide anything we don't already know or that's easy to look up. Analysis means that you've conducted "a careful study of something to learn about its parts, what they do, and how they are related to each other." All you did was to provide already known information and parrot what has been stated by many regarding Joseph without telling us what having Joseph would have meant to either numbers.

here on BBI who defended the decision to let Linval joseph walk think now that it was a huge mistake. Last year with just that player and a worse secondary we were excellent against the run and the eighth best defense in the league. We need serious changes in who makes these decisions about personnel on this team.

In comment 11993566 shabu said:

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but i suppose it was smart to get rid of LInval LOL what a mess.

They were 14th last year on the run and they had Beason and Will Hill. The current roster, both sides, is not good at all. So it's not surprising.

we've still got Kuhn

... sure, you need to have talented pass rushers but the fact is, that even with a talented players, you aren't going to have a very good pass rush if you can't stop the run.

Stopping the run has been and always will be the #1 way to rush the passer. If your defense is so good that an offense can't run and is forced to give up on the run, that allows your defenders to "rush first" and not worry about anything else. The 1986 Giants are a perfect example. Nobody but nobody ran on the 1986 Giants which, in turn, allowed them to terrorize QBs because they turned every team they faced into a one dimensional offense.

And - in a pass happy league of 2014 - this is more true than ever before. You get to "turn your dogs loose" on the pass rush if - and only if - teams CAN'T run against you (very different than teams CHOOSING to pass - if they choose to pass but CAN run, then the defense must honor the run). The Giants defense this year is a perfect example of what happens to you in a pass happy era when you can't stop the run.

Think about kelcey quarles.im sure he would've done better than Kuhn.

but this on Fewell more than anyone. It doesn't matter what players you have if the scheme and personnel usage is all wrong. We were destroyed in the run game by Seattle but was in nickel coverage nearly 70% of the time. Lesean McCoy didn't have a 100 yd game and was averaging under 4 ypc until he faced us. Why? Because as longtime Eagles analyst Ray Didinger noticed we were the only team not to put 8 in the box against them. More nickel and diming. McCoy had 149 yards with a 6.8 ypc that night, both season highs to this point. McCoy has only 2 100 yd games since including today.

Mathias Kiwanuka finished 50th out of 52 4-3 DE's in stopping the run in 2013 according to PFF. The Giants sign Ayers who hasn't only been a good signing for the, it's one of the biggest in the league this year but he still gets less snaps than Kiwi. So far this year Kiwi is 56th out of 56. Dead last. Meanwhile JPP is first against the run in the league, Hankins is top 10 but it doesn't matter because all you have to do is run right.

Lastly, and this should surprise no one, the 2nd and 3rd level hasn't helped. The Giants are 11th in stopping power runs (thanks to JPP and Hankins) according to Football Outsiders but second to last when RB's get to the 2nd and 3rd level. Jacquain Williams is awful against the run and he has more snaps than any other LB on the team. With him being out and Herzlich and Kennard seeing more snaps at OLB is why I think there was much improvement against the run last week. Yes, the Giants gave up 148 yards but on 4.0 ypc which would be 11th in the league vs. second to last at 4.9.

Is not exactly analysis, still interesting though.

You guys who want to beat Reese over the head for Linval Joseph are living in a fantasy land. No way the Giants could have kept Joseph while even attempting to fix the OL (which I am sure many of you called for). So you wanted the Giants to keep Joseph and Beason, while signing Schwartz, with JPP, Rolle, Prince, and Eli coming up for contracts. That's just not good cap management when you have Hankins on the bench. DT was the only place the Giants could take calculated risk. Some of you guys are so near sighted it boggles the mind.

How much of the poor run defense is due to Jenkins and Beason being hurt?

A lot.

Some of it is the inability of the offense to stay on the field.

6 mil a year is peanuts. Lindival is one of the best and most powerful run stuffers in the league. Jerry Resse gave Rocky Bernard 4 year deal worth 16m. Canty was making 7m per year. Those contracts were 5 seasons ago.

Sue is making 17 million per.

In comment 11993975 diable said:

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6 mil a year is peanuts. Lindival is one of the best and most powerful run stuffers in the league. Jerry Resse gave Rocky Bernard 4 year deal worth 16m. Canty was making 7m per year. Those contracts were 5 seasons ago. Sue is making 17 million per.

The "in Reese we trust" crowd do not want to hear anything that might indicate that he is incompetent as a GM. But that does not change the fact. LJ should have been kept and we would be stopping the run now.

x + y = they suck.

y being injuries.

I think Reese is a good gm. He has a tendency to overspend on street FA's. He also plays hardball with players already on the team.

One of my problems with Reese's first 6 years as GM was he wouldn't draft any premium OL so he had the go the free agent route which is extremely expensive. That caused Reese to lose a lot of good players like L Joseph.

In comment 11993723 Blueblooded808 said:

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Think about kelcey quarles.im sure he would've done better than Kuhn.

You're sure? Have you found any stats for him this season?