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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2014 11:47 pm
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RE: Hosley and Kiwi  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2014 12:50 am : link
In comment 11996521 rocco8112 said:
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really do stink.


Yep. And Kuhn. And Demps. And Herzlich. And Paysinger. And others.
Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2014 12:53 am : link
You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.
Eric area junc is right  
bc4life : 11/24/2014 12:53 am : link
yep, keep fighting. but a loss helps with the draft and this team needs a major influx of talent.
about 4 months ago here, Kuhn had an awful lot of fans  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2014 12:55 am : link
Where did they all go?
I like the better draft position.  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2014 12:55 am : link
But I wanted to keep Dallas away from a first round bye. Arizona's gonna fade down the stretch.
at this point  
bc4life : 11/24/2014 12:56 am : link
I hope someone from NFC West wins and plays NE, with NE winning it.
RE: RE: As of now we pick 7th in the draft….  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 11/24/2014 12:57 am : link
In comment 11996529 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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Will Amari Cooper be there?



How can you want Cooper after that game? OL? DE? MLB? FS?


Randle, Parker, Cruz (laid up in his bed with his return to health far from certain), Jennings, etc. are well below average skill position players when compared with other teams. Cooper is one of the few players for whom there's little question he'll succeed as a pro.

I don't really care for any of the o-linemen considered 1st round prospects outside of the LSU tackle. I would trade a shitload for Williams from USC. However, I don't think any of the top-flight DL fall to the Giants.
RE: Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim  
dpinzow : 11/24/2014 1:00 am : link
In comment 11996547 Greg from LI said:
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You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.


I would go for Iupati as our big FA and do whatever it takes to get Amari in the draft.

A line of Beatty-Iupati-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh with an OL pick in round 2 (possibly as a left tackle to replace Beatty down the line) would work. Get Amari and the offense could be fire with Amari, Odell and hopefully Cruz at WR.

The defense actually has some talent, it just needs a LOT better coaching. If they add defense they need at least one LB, one pass rusher and a safety
So Fewell was a genius when he had a DL of  
Reese's Pieces : 11/24/2014 1:04 am : link
Tuck (5 sacks), JPP (16.5 sacks), Joseph (2 sacks), and Osi (9 sacks) and a good blitzing linebacker in Boley and he is a fool now with Kiwanuka (1.5 sacks), JPP (3.5 sacks), and Hankis/Moore (5.5 sacks combined).

Did Ayers play tonight? He is our leading sackster with 6.

Ah, shit. You had to know that we were going to pay for those two magic years with some crap years. Life seems to work that way.
RE: Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim  
micky : 11/24/2014 1:09 am : link
In comment 11996547 Greg from LI said:
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You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.


Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need
RE: RE: Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim  
dpinzow : 11/24/2014 1:15 am : link
In comment 11996609 micky said:
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In comment 11996547 Greg from LI said:


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You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.



Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need


I would go Iupati in free agency...look above. Then you have most of your OL solved with Richburg at C, Schwartz at RG and Pugh at RT. It gives you the opportunity to go BPA in R1 and OL in round 2 possibly to replace Beatty at LT
RE: RE: Too many shitty throws  
Riggies : 11/24/2014 1:17 am : link
In comment 11996441 ed90631 said:
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for a $20 million dollar QB.



Eli is being Eli. He was never a $20 mil QB to start with. What genius decided to pay him that much?

PS I still think he's a great QB, but his cap hit is too much for the Giants or anyone to absorb.

Trade him? who's going to take that cap hit for a guy on the down-side of his career. The Giants made their bed....


The genius that realized that was where the QB market was going and if they didn't pay him to keep their window open (and given how he dragged a bad team along for most of the year in 2011, to give them a chance to get hot, in order to win a SB, I'd say he kept it open probably more than this FO deserved), someone else would have gladly taken him off their hands in 2008.

Also: Eli's AAV of his contract is $16.2M. His $20M+ cap hit is what it is because of previous restructuring by the Giants and how they chose to lay the contract. It has nothing to do with Manning's value or even what he's pulling in in total; it's a matter of accounting by the Giants.

For the record, Alex Smith is a $17M AAV. Andy Dalton is a $19M AAV (though he won't see the full length of his deal). Joe Flacco is a $20.1M AAV. Carson Palmer's extension puts him at $16.6M (though he won't see the full length of his either).
RE: RE: Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim  
bigbluescot : 11/24/2014 1:22 am : link
In comment 11996609 micky said:
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You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.



Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need


If you're picking at 8 there's a pretty good chance that Brandon Scherff is gone, and then after that you've got Peat who I like but who I'd have to think long and hard about spending a top 10 pick on.

LT's have a big bust rate, and you have to be sure.
RE: RE: RE: Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/24/2014 1:24 am : link
In comment 11996630 dpinzow said:
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In comment 11996547 Greg from LI said:


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You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.



Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need



I would go Iupati in free agency...look above. Then you have most of your OL solved with Richburg at C, Schwartz at RG and Pugh at RT. It gives you the opportunity to go BPA in R1 and OL in round 2 possibly to replace Beatty at LT


Iupati will be the most prized OG FA, guys like him make huge money. There will also be competition for him, its not like the Giants are the only game in town.

Pugh has played poorly this season. Schwartz played terribly at LG. Richburg just got benched? There are no sure things on this OL AT ALL. Well except that Jerry and Walton suck. Beatty choke holds DEs.

It has to be the draft, ok forget the 1st 2 rds. Draft an OT rd 1, that's a start. Maybe Pugh can kick inside. Beatty/Pugh/Richburg/Schwartz/Ogbuehi. They can draft Beatty's replacement next year when his contract is cuttable.
Post game radio show...  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2014 1:41 am : link
Why are Papa and Banks going after the running game? Yeah, I get it, our run game isn't good but did they watch the defense give up the game winning drive?

Every week its the same with Banks - the players are making fundamental plays. Yeah, got that, but isn't it the job of the coaches to emphasis how to make fundamental plays?
RE: FIre  
NYG4246 : 11/24/2014 2:12 am : link
In comment 11996029 bigbluewreckingcrew25 said:
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Coughlin, Reese, and the rest of the coaching staff. Trade Eli also. Thanks for the Super Bowls, but it is time to move on from Eli. I will love him forever and he will always be a Giant, but he is a TURNOVER MACHINE and you cannot have that in the NFL. That pass to Parker is the difference in the game. Following last week's 5 INT performance and last years 100 Int season, it is time to move on. I hope we lose the rest of our games so we can draft a new QB.




youre a fucking idiot. go watch another team. wanting your team to lose? eat shit you dumb fuck.go become a jet fan and take off whatever bigblue gear you have. fans like you are an absolute disgrace to the game of football. it speaks volumes of the person you are...just want to roll over a die for a higher draft pick? a couple bad seasons bc of terrible line play and you want to gut the roster and start over. teams go decades without winning anything you get to see 2 super bowl victories and after some bad times you give up. take the highs with the lows.....seriously though get the fuck out of here and go watch the jetplanes.
Those who are saying Eli was good  
Daniel in MI : 11/24/2014 2:29 am : link
except a couple of bad plays - yeah. But, that INT was a terrible, terrible throw, in the red zone, with no pressure.

So, Eli wasn't the only reason for the loss, but he was A reason in this game. I like Eli, but he's got to make the easy plays.

The throw to Beckham that never was, that's a tougher call. You could hear Collinsworth say, "uh oh" as soon as OBJ got open and he thought it was a TD about to happen. It's hard to say if Eli could have/should have thrown it. I'd have to see it again to see why he couldn't. But, a 20 million dollar QB has a streaking WR get wide open...yeah, you'd like to see that ball in the air.

But, as usual for this year, this game ultimately came down to the D who shit the bed. Again. They're just pathetic, and it starts with PF because I have to think we have better talent to get a pass rush than we're managing to show. I mean, 7 fucking seconds...jeezus.
The D is pathetic...  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2014 2:40 am : link
Seriously pathetic. I'm listening to WFAN now and Madoofus is saying how pathetic it is that our defense was laying back and playing it safe on the game winning drive by Dallas. I couldn't agree more. We were talking about Fewell's "philosophy" last week. Well, that's his philosophy right there - you have the game on the line - two minutes to play at home - a wasted season that everyone knows is going no where - and Perry limp dick Fewell is going to play it safe. The guy is a fucking joke. At least go down swinging. But no - not Fewell. We gave up the game winning drive with 3 minutes left at home. Fucking pathetic.
RE: Those who are saying Eli was good  
chris r : 11/24/2014 2:45 am : link
In comment 11996739 Daniel in MI said:
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except a couple of bad plays - yeah. But, that INT was a terrible, terrible throw, in the red zone, with no pressure.

So, Eli wasn't the only reason for the loss, but he was A reason in this game. I like Eli, but he's got to make the easy plays.

The throw to Beckham that never was, that's a tougher call. You could hear Collinsworth say, "uh oh" as soon as OBJ got open and he thought it was a TD about to happen. It's hard to say if Eli could have/should have thrown it. I'd have to see it again to see why he couldn't. But, a 20 million dollar QB has a streaking WR get wide open...yeah, you'd like to see that ball in the air.

But, as usual for this year, this game ultimately came down to the D who shit the bed. Again. They're just pathetic, and it starts with PF because I have to think we have better talent to get a pass rush than we're managing to show. I mean, 7 fucking seconds...jeezus.


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RE: The D is pathetic...  
Jints in Carolina : 11/24/2014 2:52 am : link
In comment 11996745 trueblueinpw said:
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Seriously pathetic. I'm listening to WFAN now and Madoofus is saying how pathetic it is that our defense was laying back and playing it safe on the game winning drive by Dallas. I couldn't agree more. We were talking about Fewell's "philosophy" last week. Well, that's his philosophy right there - you have the game on the line - two minutes to play at home - a wasted season that everyone knows is going no where - and Perry limp dick Fewell is going to play it safe. The guy is a fucking joke. At least go down swinging. But no - not Fewell. We gave up the game winning drive with 3 minutes left at home. Fucking pathetic.


THIS
fewell has zero chance of coming back  
oipolloi : 11/24/2014 3:42 am : link
It did not need this game to assure that

But it did put another nail in Coughlin's coffin. The only prayer that Coughlin has is that the giants have a meddling owner who might be persuaded to give tc another shot. No gm in the game would bring Coughlin back
I like the fact that idiots  
BigBlueCane : 11/24/2014 4:34 am : link
once again are saying "You can find interior OL later in the draft but you can't (Insert blank name) at WR there".

ESPECIALLY AFTER WATCHING THESE GAMES WHERE THE OL FALLS APART AND THEN THEY RIP ON ELI.
McAdoo  
gmenatlarge : 11/24/2014 6:21 am : link
I don't see how he gets a pass, this team runs on first down EVERY TIME, putting us in crappy 3rd and longs where we can't protect the QB.
I was an a neighbors house  
newmike2 : 11/24/2014 6:24 am : link
and he's a Dallas fan and I told him that the game come down to some puzzling play calling like rushing three on 3rd and long, and running the ball when it's not working or a tip drill int or an official's blunder.

This team is too incompetent to succeed and it's not the players, they had this game but the coaching blew it.
Lupati  
stretch234 : 11/24/2014 6:37 am : link
As good a run blocker as he is, he is bad as a pass blocker.
Watching this game has once again confirmed that the Jints  
Rick in Dallas : 11/24/2014 6:51 am : link
Need to focus on the OL and DL in the draft. You win games by controlling the LOS.

Eli played a very good game under the circumstances but has to make that completion to Parker in the red zone.

Cowboys are dynamic on offense but still have a weak defense that can be exploited. They are not a complete team by a long stretch....

Fewell has got to go no more execuses...

Happy to see the the giants compete and play hard last night against divion rival.
This team is so devoid of playmakers  
Reb8thVA : 11/24/2014 6:53 am : link
On defense. There is really no one. Heading into the off season. Suh is my primary FA target. He will help revive the pass rush and bring a nastiness and swagger back to the defense that is lacking. Him Hankins and Ayers and then rebuild from there.
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diable : 11/24/2014 7:28 am : link
I like the uptempo offense but you need olinemen that have good stamina. Enough to perform for 60 minutes.
Beatty has the stamina. Richburgh doesnt yet. Walton doesn't finish his blocks (clear signs of fatigue) Jerry 340lb heavy guy . Schwarts also 340lb hasn't played in forever, not in game shape yet. McAdoo called many screen passes, those plays require the olimen to run 20yards down the field.

The oline played better then expected. Hopefully McAdoo will
RE: The D is pathetic...  
Giants4246 : 11/24/2014 7:51 am : link
In comment 11996745 trueblueinpw said:
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Seriously pathetic. I'm listening to WFAN now and Madoofus is saying how pathetic it is that our defense was laying back and playing it safe on the game winning drive by Dallas. I couldn't agree more. We were talking about Fewell's "philosophy" last week. Well, that's his philosophy right there - you have the game on the line - two minutes to play at home - a wasted season that everyone knows is going no where - and Perry limp dick Fewell is going to play it safe. The guy is a fucking joke. At least go down swinging. But no - not Fewell. We gave up the game winning drive with 3 minutes left at home. Fucking pathetic.


Summed up perfectly. Ok, eli missed 2 throws but he threw for over 300 yards and 3 TDs while under siege (once again) for almost the whole night, he was NOT the fucking problem. The redskins killed romo by blitzing him and yet we go with a 4 man rush and let them march right down the field. Between having the wrong personnel on field, personnnel that shouldn't be on an NFL field and a coordinator who should've been fired last year this D is a fucking disgrace to the franchise.
A few years back Romo  
jLefty : 11/24/2014 7:52 am : link
didn't come through for the Cowboys if I remember correctly, but he's become a clutch player and yes he got protection but he's good. Last time we played them he went 9 for 9 in the second half.
Oh, and one more thing about this D  
Giants4246 : 11/24/2014 7:54 am : link
Nice whiff by rolle on the gimme INT in the endzone. Yea we held them to a field goal but we lost by a field goal so good job rolle. Fucking idiot.
.  
diable : 11/24/2014 8:47 am : link
Losing is for loser's.

Rooting for your team to lose... Is a loserish thing to do.

Its bad fucking karma. Knock it off.
RE: 4 man rush  
giantsfan227B : 11/24/2014 9:01 am : link
In comment 11995978 Lord Zedd said:
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8 seconds for Romo
9 seconds for Romo

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Exactly. Boomer basically said this morning need to change things up if OL is giving Romo 8-9 seconds to throw must blitz.
John Mara (Long Rant)  
Percy : 11/24/2014 9:05 am : link
Has got to understand that this is not his father's NFL any more than this society is. Things have changed in significant ways. Adapt or die -- and your team is dying -- is the message.

There are better ways of evaluating football players and conditioning and training them now. There are sharper ways to figure out the business of who to pay how much and for how long. Then there's coaching: how to play in the NFL (each position has its nuances) and offensive and defensive schemes and plans. This is different now for successful NFL teams -- and the Giants, obviously, are no longer one of them. In all these regards the team seems to be living in the stone age.

Then there's NFL player talent, attitude, discipline, pride, grit, and NLF-level execution of what's been inculcated into them as NFL players. We pick crappy players, not having anyone who understands what physical and mental qualities it takes to play any position in the NFL as part of a winning team. We subject them to the poor management, training, and coaching apparatus we have now. We immerse them in a near 100%-dud player group that lacks established, well-performing veterans, not just people suiting up for NFL play and getting paid for it. What I'm talking about here are players who can and do teach newcomers the team's way, exhibit personal pride and professional expertise, discipline, attitude, and possess talent that's been battle tested in play for the team. (Eli was and maybe still is one, but with a weak attitude, poor as a communicator, his thinking and performance slowing down, and some fear in his eyes now. He's probably done now as a winner. We used to have a few others. Strahan and LT were that and stars, but we had non-stars who were good in these regards, too -- all gone now.) What we have at this point are just low-quality bullshitters. Most (except the rookies) are way overpaid, many are aging, and several are injury damaged.

So we get what have now, what we've seen last year and this one. Mara has to come to grips with this -- the fact that no one who works for this team is any good at any of the above except Beckham, whose excellence is almost sure to be diluted and dimmed by the awful state of affairs on this team if it is not straightened out. (The jury can be out on Pugh and Richburg, but, as the old song goes, "They don' impressa me much.")

All this must be fixed. It's not as if I'm saying this for the first time here, and this is not just a reaction to the last heart-rending loss, or the one before that, or the last six losses. The team has been disintegrating for years. Are we at bottom yet? I doubt it -- especially if things stay basically where they are and the direction from the top does not change radically to correct the current dismal overall state of Giants football.

We can only hope that the NY and NJ papers and the national NFL commentators hammer Mara about this, absolutely hammer and laugh at him -- embarrassing him into action, overcoming what looks like stiff-necked pride and endless vague bouts of excuse-making. Or maybe Mara really is just a dolt -- like those employees of his who've been failing in every way every day for the last few years. Or, worse, maybe it's just all about the ticket sales and the TV money -- which will come in even if the Giants are the new Raiders. That is, maybe he just doesn't really give a flying f#*k.
One thing's for sure:  
drkenneth : 11/24/2014 9:22 am : link
BBI is full of morons.
Eli has a weak attitude and poorly communicates how exactly?  
Riggies : 11/24/2014 9:22 am : link
The problems with this team aren't based in attitude or fire or grit or any of that crap.

They severely lack talent and the coaching doesn't do their jobs well enough to cover at all for it.
RE: McAdoo  
islander1 : 11/24/2014 10:30 am : link
In comment 11996781 gmenatlarge said:
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I don't see how he gets a pass, this team runs on first down EVERY TIME, putting us in crappy 3rd and longs where we can't protect the QB.


Because if you don't run the ball some, you can't pass it either.

The offense has been the problem almost never this season. Two or three games out of 11 at most.

The defense has, with rare exception, been tragically poor all season.

Giant "fans"?  
giantsguy : 11/24/2014 10:39 am : link
I think there were as many Cowboy fans at the game as Giant fans, and that is something management is going to have to address. If the product is so poor that people sell their tickets and choose to not attend, well, that is really unacceptable to those of us that buy and use expensive tickets for every game. The product has to improve, but perhaps some sort of controls on sale of your season tickets to non-Giant fans should be imposed. I believe in free enterprise, but when the cry of "Defense, Defense" is louder coming from an opposition fanbase than from our loyal Giant people, something has to be done.
They let Tuck go. He wanted bad to come back and was willing  
Reese's Pieces : 11/24/2014 10:40 am : link
to take millions less. Not the player he was. No, but still a two ring guy, above average and capable of elevating his game, and a team leader just as important to the franchise as Carson and Banks. Coming off an eleven sack season.

They replaced Tuck with Kiwanuka, a guy who never produced anything and yet was about the only player to whom the Giants did give a big money contract extension.

You're gonna pay for mistakes like that.

They wouldn't put up the money to "overpay" Joseph, a high draft choice they hit on who anchored their run defense. Lots of eyebrows raised around the league when they let him go.

Sometimes you have to overpay players. Would you rather overpay Joseph a million a year or have the worst run defense in the league?

They sure as hell overpay Manning.
and they wasted the best catch of all time!  
djm : 11/24/2014 10:44 am : link
so every time they show Beckham's catch 20 years from now we will be reminded that they lost that game. Mother fuckers!!!!

I hate this team right now. All of them.
Ayers and Moore  
Rflairr : 11/24/2014 10:44 am : link
Are on the bench the last drive. No more evidence that Coughlin and his clowns should be fired
RE: pretty much the  
djm : 11/24/2014 10:46 am : link
In comment 11996473 area junc said:
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best possible outcome. Good game, Giants were competitive, but ultimately I want a high draft pick and Perry Fewell gone. We need another elite player and thats the only place we're going to get one


Best possible outcome??? Losing to dallas is always the worst possible outcome.

I am amazed at the lack of profound hatred for the Cowboys. I see NYG fans that hate them, but they really don't hate them enough.

That loss sucked on every level and will bother me all season. 4 straight god damned losses to this shit fucking franchise. FOUR@!!!! Fuck the draft pick.
RE: I hate  
djm : 11/24/2014 10:48 am : link
In comment 11996525 Eric from BBI said:
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to say it, but area junc maybe correct...this may have been best possible outcome long term.


And you're out of your mind too.

If dallas wins the super bowl you will all want to kill yourselves. IF the Giants won last night we all but would have eliminated any chance that Dallas would have a bye week and home field...now that hope is very much still alive.

Will you be enjoying the 1-2 spot draft slot difference while watching Dallas host a playoff game and being one win away from the NFC Title game? Hope so...
Oh, and who do they replace Joseph with?  
Reese's Pieces : 11/24/2014 10:49 am : link
Mike Patterson, Cullen Jenkins, cheap cast-offs from other teams, and MARKUS KUHN.

This regime has had a good, long, successful run by NFL standards, eleven years and two Super Bowls.

But now just a complete train wreck. Get the bulldozers to push the train off the track and start over.
djm, you are a sage person and  
oldog : 11/24/2014 11:02 am : link
say important things eloquently.
The best possible outcome is always winning.  
Matt M. : 11/24/2014 11:44 am : link
I would never accept playing to get a better draft position. I don't even accept it as a hindsight look at the results. Herm Edwards may get made fun of for his quote, but you play to win the game.
djm  
Overseer : 11/24/2014 11:48 am : link
I'd rather watch Dallas win 10 Super Bowls than watch Philly win 1. And Dallas is still best positioned (along with, hopefully, the Giants in week 17) to eliminate Philly.
then you don't live among dallas fans  
djm : 11/24/2014 1:08 pm : link
i always fear and respect the team that has won in the past. Dallas has 5. Philly has lol.

If Philly won 2 in a row they still can't talk much shit to the Giants fan even if they insist on doing. The Giants have flat out had a better history. The head to head record, incredible as it sounds, still favors the Giants. Let Philly talk shit, we can just remind them of FOUR rings.

Dallas has a winning record against the Giants. They completely skull fuct this franchise from late 60s through early 80s in absolutely embarrassing fashion. Even under Coughlin and Eli, a golden Era of sorts, we didn't even manage to finish with a winning record against Dallas...they had one...then lost 4 in a row and promptly lost that winning edge. We have 2007. We have 2011...and that allows for the Giants fan to pretty much handle any shit from the Dallas fan....at least for now..but 4 losses in a row doesn't help and now Dallas is primed for a run.

Even when the Giants LOSE to Philly in brutal fashion NU has managed to win NFL titles in that same season. They have turned monumental losses to Philly into fuel for a super bowl title one year later.

When we lose to Dallas BAD things happen. When we beat Dallas good things happen. I'm telling you, this franchise needs to beat Dallas as often as possible or they won't go anywhere. That include(d) this season. As we go against Dallas we go period.

4 straight losses...SHIT.
and if we are 4-0 against Dallas  
djm : 11/24/2014 1:11 pm : link
Coughlin isn't getting shit canned after this season. We beat Philly in 2012. We beat Philly in 2013. Got us nowhere.

I can see if you live in Philly...i'd be dead set against that fan base too but if you live in North Jersey or anywhere outside of Philly, you have to hate Dallas more. I can't understand how you wouldn't.
RE: about 4 months ago here, Kuhn had an awful lot of fans  
BronxBob : 11/24/2014 2:53 pm : link
In comment 11996560 Greg from LI said:
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Where did they all go?


You ought to learn to read; then maybe you'd know.
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