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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2014 11:47 pm
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man, six losses in a row  
Overseer : 11/23/2014 11:53 pm : link
I know the Giants are a poor team bereft of talent and nailed by injuries, but six losses in a row? This is Jaguars territory. Raiders territory.

Tough to watch. Only bright spot is that I'd much rather see Dallas win the division than Philly.

The Cowboys have a really, really good offensive line. It wins football games.
The sad part is I don't really care about them losing.  
St. Jimmy : 11/23/2014 11:53 pm : link
Complete apathy towards this team.
thanks to our  
spike : 11/23/2014 11:54 pm : link
SWISS CHEESE DEFENSE. Charles Brown would fit right in
We've gotten all we need to out of this year  
Dave in PA : 11/23/2014 11:54 pm : link
Beckham has gotten on the field and proceeded to make jaws drop. There's nothing else going for this team. Need the best draft slot possible, period. 1/3 of this team will be gone by next year anyway
You  
AcidTest : 11/23/2014 11:54 pm : link
got to fire people. Fewell at the top of the list. That last drive was unreal. Dallas goes eighty yards like they went eight. No pressure. Brought only four. Kiwi and Kuhn? Are you kidding? Apparently not.

No pressure from the DEs. Kiwi and JPP did nothing.
No cover LBs.
Rotten OL, and why are we carrying eleven?
No WRs really after Beckham.
Marginal TEs.
Endless running to nowhere.
Keep playing the same players who do nothing, instead of at least trying someone else.

The whole organization is a shit show. Reese isn't getting the right players, and Coughlin won't play anyone he does. I bet Reese is pissed that Coughlin doesn't play Moore and Bromley more often. I remember Reese commenting he wanted to see the younger players on the field more. Mara said the same thing when JJ played well at the end of last year.
RE: RE: Eli made two bad plays tonight  
dep026 : 11/23/2014 11:54 pm : link
In comment 11996037 chris r said:
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the throw to Parker that was too high and got picked, then not seeing OBJ running free when Scandrick fell down.

Then he had us in the lead with 3 minutes left. So no, Eli didn't cost us the game.



That's a 14 point swing. We lost the game by 3 points. So yes, those two bad plays by Eli lost us the game.


You are the biggest idiot in this forum. 14 point swing? So Eli played defense when Cowboys went 65 yards. Such a dolt.
There is  
cokeduplt : 11/23/2014 11:54 pm : link
No logical reason that Coughlin should be head coach next year. JPP shouldn't be brought back.
Wow the 90th Anniversary of  
bigblue1914 : 11/23/2014 11:54 pm : link
The New York Giants is something I would like to forget!!! Jesus!
RE: I hate losing to Dallas in any context or capacity  
bluesince56 : 11/23/2014 11:54 pm : link
In comment 11996036 eclipz928 said:
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but the fact of the matter is that all that matters this season is draft positioning - blowing this game was a good thing, especially if it helps to make the case for a coaching overhaul.


Agree
It's like a different team played the second half.  
Matt M. : 11/23/2014 11:55 pm : link
But, how the Hell do you run a route shorter than 2 yards on 4th and 2. Sure, it was close and went to review. But, make sure you get past the sticks.

Other than that, Eli's INT was probably a 14 point turnaround and the game. And then missing Donnell on the last drive was huge.
RE: Put this one on Eli  
jcn56 : 11/23/2014 11:55 pm : link
In comment 11996015 Daniel in MI said:
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and the D. Eli misses a wide open Parker and Beckham alone down the sideline. I like Eli, but you can't have a guy who makes what he does in your cap play like Hoyer. Make the easy plays for fuck sake. And the D plays like they usually do.

Sad part is coming out of halftime I said to my friend, "you just know we'll fail to adjust to what they do, and we'll lose on a TD to Dez late."

PS - Way to play matchups - Scandrick out, and Beckham comes back in, and we run it. Perfect.


100% agreed - sign me up for the newsletter and commemorative plaque.

Plenty of disappointment to go around - from our franchise QB overthrowing a wide open guy in the end zone to our defense shitting the bed, and our offense unable to get a single fucking first down against a pedestrian defense, at home.

Blow it all up.
There is no way we can win with  
nicky43 : 11/23/2014 11:55 pm : link
Walton and Jerry on the o-line. I think the defense would be salvagable if we get a new DC.
They lost the game because the defense did not show up in the 2nd half  
Tom in NY : 11/23/2014 11:55 pm : link
...and specifically in the last 3 minutes.

AND

Because they cannot run the ball.
here it is  
islander1 : 11/23/2014 11:55 pm : link
can't have a postgame without it

RE: This place is full  
jeff57 : 11/23/2014 11:55 pm : link
In comment 11996051 dep026 said:
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of really stupid people.


Were you referring to the Giants coaching staff or the front office?
I am just tired of a team finding ways to lose.  
Matt M. : 11/23/2014 11:56 pm : link
This is now the 4th loss that could have easily been a win.
The thing is they are not undermining TC again by Mara  
micky : 11/23/2014 11:56 pm : link
forcing change in coordinators again. So PF I highly doubt will be let go (which he needs to be imo)
Bad team, bad protection, bad Eli.  
Reese's Pieces : 11/23/2014 11:56 pm : link
Almost all the intelligent people on this board (about 25 to 30 percent) agreed that the number one and only priority of the off season was to protect Eli,because when under sustained pressure Eli was falling apart.

They chose instead to draft a wide receiver first, and to hand out the biggest free-agent contract to a cornerback, where we were not particularly weak.

This game turned around when the Giants stopped getting pressure on Romo and the Cowboys started getting relentless pressure on Eli. And Eli, whether he ever could play well under these conditions, can certainly not play with them now.

All the Cowboy fans are enjoying a well-deserved gloat tonight.
Fire Fewell crowd  
G.O.B. : 11/23/2014 11:56 pm : link
Temper your expectations. When was the last time the Giants fired someone midseason?
Longest losing streak in the league  
Giants2012 : 11/23/2014 11:56 pm : link
Lost 6 straight
Too many shitty throws  
Default : 11/23/2014 11:56 pm : link
for a $20 million dollar QB.
RE: .  
cokeduplt : 11/23/2014 11:56 pm : link
In comment 11996052 Jints in Carolina said:
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Rich Eisen ‏@richeisen 35s35 seconds ago
Zero Beckham touches when game on line. Total utter abdication.


Ehh they scored to go a head with 3 mins left, I could've completed a pass with the time romo was getting, the defense is atrocious.
That was the most pathetic Defensivd series  
JoeyBigBlue : 11/23/2014 11:56 pm : link
I've ever fucking seen. Prevent defense, no pressure whatsoever. Romo had time to go on a picnic in the pocket. My God that was pathetic.
Dep you need a timeout, whether it's self imposed  
kmed : 11/23/2014 11:57 pm : link
or one of the babysitters. You need to stop with the BS
Eli doesn't have a quick release  
Overseer : 11/23/2014 11:57 pm : link
I don't think he could have gotten that ball out to Beckham. Peyton/Rodgers, yes.

He was horrible on that throw to Parker, but probably the right decision not to throw it to Beckham.

This team needs an O-line yesterday. Spend big in FA.
Eli's pick was a killer  
bceagle05 : 11/23/2014 11:57 pm : link
but the defense had three chances to really stand tall: after the great Beckham TD when we had the momentum to take over the game, after the Eli pick, and after the last TD to go up 28-24. They went 0-3. They never make a stand. Never.
...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 11/23/2014 11:57 pm : link
1/2 the crowd was Dallas fans.

This season can't end soon enough.
JPP should be an ex-Giant  
Matt M. : 11/23/2014 11:57 pm : link
next year.
The lack of defense  
TrueBlue'02 : 11/23/2014 11:57 pm : link
Cost us the game. No pass rush. No good scheme
RE: RE: RE: Eli made two bad plays tonight  
chris r : 11/23/2014 11:58 pm : link
In comment 11996064 dep026 said:
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In comment 11996037 chris r said:


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In comment 11996006 BlackLight said:


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the throw to Parker that was too high and got picked, then not seeing OBJ running free when Scandrick fell down.

Then he had us in the lead with 3 minutes left. So no, Eli didn't cost us the game.



That's a 14 point swing. We lost the game by 3 points. So yes, those two bad plays by Eli lost us the game.



You are the biggest idiot in this forum. 14 point swing? So Eli played defense when Cowboys went 65 yards. Such a dolt.


You're more loud than bright.

If Eli hits Parker, he scores. If Eli throws to Beckham, he scores. That's 2 TDs. 7 + 7 = 14.

Any questions?
fucking FIRE EVERYONE  
whobetta : 11/23/2014 11:58 pm : link
no one stays from the coaching staff that has been here more than just this year.

i can't stand to watch the stupid faces say the same stupid shit running the same innefective shit not learning shit and making us insane watching the same fucking shit...

just have to say no more.

Mara should nut kick Reese, who should nut kick TC who should shit on Fewell and Quinn...

sy o fuckin ara.
Just can't fathom the 8 seconds allowed for their offense and romo  
micky : 11/23/2014 11:58 pm : link
.
RE: You  
jcn56 : 11/23/2014 11:58 pm : link
In comment 11996061 AcidTest said:
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got to fire people. Fewell at the top of the list. That last drive was unreal. Dallas goes eighty yards like they went eight. No pressure. Brought only four. Kiwi and Kuhn? Are you kidding? Apparently not.

No pressure from the DEs. Kiwi and JPP did nothing.
No cover LBs.
Rotten OL, and why are we carrying eleven?
No WRs really after Beckham.
Marginal TEs.
Endless running to nowhere.
Keep playing the same players who do nothing, instead of at least trying someone else.

The whole organization is a shit show. Reese isn't getting the right players, and Coughlin won't play anyone he does. I bet Reese is pissed that Coughlin doesn't play Moore and Bromley more often. I remember Reese commenting he wanted to see the younger players on the field more. Mara said the same thing when JJ played well at the end of last year.


The whole coaching staff needs to go, and the FO might need to go as well. They went into the locker room with the lead (again) and came out and played like horseshit in the second half (again).

Our highest paid player played well overall, but made stupid mistakes that cost us a score (again) and gave the opponent the ball in our territory (again).

Our coverage teams were abysmal, letting the runner get past the gunner and go for positive returns even when the punts had good airtime (again).

We keep fucking up, and doing the same things wrong over and over. It's definitely not just one root cause - but certainly a coaching problem and almost definitely a talent problem.
All this being said,  
bceagle05 : 11/23/2014 11:58 pm : link
it's not like Dallas is that far ahead of us. That's good news going forward.
they will  
spike : 11/23/2014 11:58 pm : link
beat the Titans, Jags and Redskins.


still 6-10.
RE: As bad as the last Dallas TD was....  
BlueHurricane : 11/23/2014 11:59 pm : link
In comment 11996040 bceagle05 said:
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the one that bothered me most was the TD we gave up right after the incredible Beckham TD. If there was ever a time for the defense to feed off some energy and make a stand, that was it. But of course, like the spineless douchebags they are - they let them march right down the field with no resistance. JPP, Rolle and Fewell can steal money from different teams next season.



^^^^THIS^^^^
Coughlin just said  
trueblueinpw : 11/23/2014 11:59 pm : link
We practiced well. That makes me feel a lot better.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Eli made two bad plays tonight  
dep026 : 11/23/2014 11:59 pm : link
In comment 11996113 chris r said:
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In comment 11996064 dep026 said:


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In comment 11996037 chris r said:


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In comment 11996006 BlackLight said:


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the throw to Parker that was too high and got picked, then not seeing OBJ running free when Scandrick fell down.

Then he had us in the lead with 3 minutes left. So no, Eli didn't cost us the game.



That's a 14 point swing. We lost the game by 3 points. So yes, those two bad plays by Eli lost us the game.



You are the biggest idiot in this forum. 14 point swing? So Eli played defense when Cowboys went 65 yards. Such a dolt.



You're more loud than bright.

If Eli hits Parker, he scores. If Eli throws to Beckham, he scores. That's 2 TDs. 7 + 7 = 14.

Any questions?


Being that they happened on back to back plays, if one happens the other is IMPOSSIBLE to happen. so yes, my question is how fucking stupid are you?
Last game I watch all year  
ronzo : 11/23/2014 11:59 pm : link
Team doesn't know how to finish. 3-8 is the bottom line. Don't care how hard they played. That is a fucking disgrace
RE: Coughlin just said  
Giants2012 : 11/23/2014 11:59 pm : link
In comment 11996127 trueblueinpw said:
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We practiced well. That makes me feel a lot better.


Broken record
If Mara doesn't make a change here  
yalebowl : 11/23/2014 11:59 pm : link
There is no hope. This entire coaching staff should be fired. Poor clock management. Poor play selection. No development of players. Poor decisions on who should play in key moments. Where was Moore and Ayers during Romo's march down the field? When to blitz. When not to? On and on.

It starts with Coughlin. I'm sure they had a great week of practice. On and on.
RE: Put this one on Eli  
islander1 : 11/23/2014 11:59 pm : link
In comment 11996015 Daniel in MI said:
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and the D. Eli misses a wide open Parker and Beckham alone down the sideline. I like Eli, but you can't have a guy who makes what he does in your cap play like Hoyer. Make the easy plays for fuck sake. And the D plays like they usually do.

Sad part is coming out of halftime I said to my friend, "you just know we'll fail to adjust to what they do, and we'll lose on a TD to Dez late."

PS - Way to play matchups - Scandrick out, and Beckham comes back in, and we run it. Perfect.


Yeah, Eli Manning was 29 out of 40 with 3 TD's and 1 INT.

let's blame him. Brilliant idea.
I can't hang Eli for the beckham play  
crick78 : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
The int was big, however the defense still needs to do their job.
RE: Coughlin just said  
micky : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
In comment 11996127 trueblueinpw said:
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We practiced well. That makes me feel a lot better.


Well it looked like they did they played hard.
Redskins knock romo out with constant blitzing  
Giants4246 : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
and we give him 8 fucking seconds to throw.
more talent issue and coaching  
bc4life : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
on that last Dallas drive. Where are all the pass rushers - Pugh is in there?

Dallas OL is good, not that good. Just shows how bad the DLine talent is. JPP played well tonight, but Kiwi is done. Pugh gives them no pass rush. Jenkins could have helped us this game.

Not getting all bent out of shape - Giants just aren't good enough.
Giants will have access to a top OL  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
they have to take him.
Eli was decent  
giantsfan227B : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
except for totally blown pass. That was a 10-14 point swing. The D totally sucked at the end. BTW does anyone ever hear Rodgers-Cromartie anymore?

We couldn't get one first down with a minute left.

The OL and DL suck.

The way Al Michaels made it sound don't be shocked if this coaching staff and Reese are back.
A lot of things had to go wrong to lose that game  
SwirlingEddie : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
And sure enough the Giants went wrong.

So many chances to win that game, but too many failures by too many players and coaches. There was no one player or person who cost us this game.

Damn, so frustrating - why do I bother!?
RE: Eli doesn't have a quick release  
dep026 : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
In comment 11996100 Overseer said:
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I don't think he could have gotten that ball out to Beckham. Peyton/Rodgers, yes.

He was horrible on that throw to Parker, but probably the right decision not to throw it to Beckham.

This team needs an O-line yesterday. Spend big in FA.


Good post.
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