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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/23/2014 11:47 pm
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RE: The worst part, for me,  
Reese's Pieces : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
In comment 11996007 Exit 172 said:
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is that I know well before kickoff that there are far better things to spend my time on. But yet I make time to watch this garbage team lose again and again and again.

I must be deranged.


Don't worry, Exit. In a few weeks everyone will be happily discussing whom we are going to use our high draft choice on, and calling for the heads of Reese and Coughlin.

This game was not an ordinary loss. Heads will roll due to this one. Mara will not put up with this.
Eli cost us the game  
schristo5278 : 11/24/2014 12:01 am : link
Can we please have some people here wake up? Yes he screwed two big plays but he also plays behind arguably the worst offense line in football...the starters are questionable and even they can't stay healthy. And on the other side of the ball is one of the worse defenses I have seen on a field this season...and statistically the worst in the NFL against the run.

The offense put up 28 points. If that is not enough to win you a game then you need to be ripping your defense a new one not the QB.
RE: RE: Put this one on Eli  
jcn56 : 11/24/2014 12:01 am : link
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and the D. Eli misses a wide open Parker and Beckham alone down the sideline. I like Eli, but you can't have a guy who makes what he does in your cap play like Hoyer. Make the easy plays for fuck sake. And the D plays like they usually do.

Sad part is coming out of halftime I said to my friend, "you just know we'll fail to adjust to what they do, and we'll lose on a TD to Dez late."

PS - Way to play matchups - Scandrick out, and Beckham comes back in, and we run it. Perfect.



Yeah, Eli Manning was 29 out of 40 with 3 TD's and 1 INT.

let's blame him. Brilliant idea.


He had a nice stat line - but he coughed up the ball on what should have been a gimme TD (and they promptly returned the INT to midfield, at which point they scored a few plays later). He missed Beckham a couple of times (once wide open and just didn't see him, another time overthrew him when he was open).

He sure as shit didn't have a $20m QB night.
on dec. 29....  
thrunthrublue : 11/24/2014 12:01 am : link
the pain ends.
Trying to pressure with 4 and it didn't work- TC  
jeff57 : 11/24/2014 12:01 am : link
Yeah, for the umpteenth time this year, Tom.
Heads will roll  
bc4life : 11/24/2014 12:02 am : link
because they lost to the best team in the Division?

Face reality - Giants are just not good enough to win games like this.
RE: Eli cost us the game  
islander1 : 11/24/2014 12:02 am : link
In comment 11996164 schristo5278 said:
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Can we please have some people here wake up? Yes he screwed two big plays but he also plays behind arguably the worst offense line in football...the starters are questionable and even they can't stay healthy. And on the other side of the ball is one of the worse defenses I have seen on a field this season...and statistically the worst in the NFL against the run.

The offense put up 28 points. If that is not enough to win you a game then you need to be ripping your defense a new one not the QB.


Yes.
Rumors  
schristo5278 : 11/24/2014 12:02 am : link
I hear they're looking to try to improve the defense by bringing CC Brown out of retirement..
RE: Redskins knock romo out with constant blitzing  
trueblueinpw : 11/24/2014 12:02 am : link
In comment 11996141 Giants4246 said:
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and we give him 8 fucking seconds to throw.


Exactly. Did Fewell even watch any tape on that game? But wait, its not Fewell, its the players because we all know that Washington has much better players than we do. I alway forget that all Fewell needs is to have Pro Bowlers at every position and then his defense works great.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Eli made two bad plays tonight  
chris r : 11/24/2014 12:02 am : link
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the throw to Parker that was too high and got picked, then not seeing OBJ running free when Scandrick fell down.

Then he had us in the lead with 3 minutes left. So no, Eli didn't cost us the game.



That's a 14 point swing. We lost the game by 3 points. So yes, those two bad plays by Eli lost us the game.



You are the biggest idiot in this forum. 14 point swing? So Eli played defense when Cowboys went 65 yards. Such a dolt.



You're more loud than bright.

If Eli hits Parker, he scores. If Eli throws to Beckham, he scores. That's 2 TDs. 7 + 7 = 14.

Any questions?



Being that they happened on back to back plays, if one happens the other is IMPOSSIBLE to happen. so yes, my question is how fucking stupid are you?


Eli threw an interception and then missed a wide open Beckham on the next play? OK.
RE: Redskins knock romo out with constant blitzing  
Giants2012 : 11/24/2014 12:02 am : link
In comment 11996141 Giants4246 said:
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and we give him 8 fucking seconds to throw.


and that's 100% true. The Skins blew up the Dallas line with blitzing and Perry Awful did none. When is enough, enough?
Collinsworth  
Arcanum : 11/24/2014 12:03 am : link
Sumed it up on the last drive. He said something like, "I'm sure Eli wish he could change offensive lines with Romo." I can't recall the last game, Eli had a clean pocket throughout. Maybe the Redskins game. This o line is good and terrible
RE: This place is full  
section125 : 11/24/2014 12:03 am : link
In comment 11996051 dep026 said:
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of really stupid people.


You just noticed?
Is this the fastest a Giants team post 1980  
micky : 11/24/2014 12:03 am : link
have reached 8 losses before Thanksgiving?
when they blitzed they got burned  
bc4life : 11/24/2014 12:04 am : link
Their OLine is way better than our DL and our secondary is decimated with injuries.

Their OL is good but no way should any QB be able to get 7-8 seconds and he could have had 10. Pugh and Kiwi were completely irrelevant on that play.
RE: Longest losing streak in the league  
yalebowl : 11/24/2014 12:04 am : link
In comment 11996089 Giants2012 said:
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Lost 6 straight


The Pisarck handoff to Larry Csonka
A truly great night  
Irish : 11/24/2014 12:04 am : link
For you Giant haters. Got to spew your burning hatred all night on the game thread and then Dallas came through for you at the end with the big win. Enjoy your celebration.
RE: RE: RE: Put this one on Eli  
islander1 : 11/24/2014 12:04 am : link
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and the D. Eli misses a wide open Parker and Beckham alone down the sideline. I like Eli, but you can't have a guy who makes what he does in your cap play like Hoyer. Make the easy plays for fuck sake. And the D plays like they usually do.

Sad part is coming out of halftime I said to my friend, "you just know we'll fail to adjust to what they do, and we'll lose on a TD to Dez late."

PS - Way to play matchups - Scandrick out, and Beckham comes back in, and we run it. Perfect.



Yeah, Eli Manning was 29 out of 40 with 3 TD's and 1 INT.

let's blame him. Brilliant idea.



He had a nice stat line - but he coughed up the ball on what should have been a gimme TD (and they promptly returned the INT to midfield, at which point they scored a few plays later). He missed Beckham a couple of times (once wide open and just didn't see him, another time overthrew him when he was open).

He sure as shit didn't have a $20m QB night.


If it's not for our 20 million dollar QB, we'd not be in ANY position to win the game to begin with.

If you want to say he doesn't deserve Peyton/Rogers money I'll agree with you. It's just, about 16 other teams will GLADLY pay it. So, unless you want the offense to suck as much ass as the defense and specials do...bite your tongue.
It's pretty amazing  
AgentZero : 11/24/2014 12:05 am : link
That in the thrre games that OBJ has gone off in the first half, that opposing defenses scheme to reduce his production in the second half and for the most part are successful (lack of offensive weapons does that) yet our defensive coordinator still allows other teams to continue running wild on us with zero adjustments made. I love Coughlin but he's now as much to blame for this mess as Fewell. If Fewell is not gone the second the season ends the Giants are in big big trouble for next year and maybe longer.
RE: There is  
Reese's Pieces : 11/24/2014 12:05 am : link
In comment 11996066 cokeduplt said:
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No logical reason that Coughlin should be head coach next year. JPP shouldn't be brought back.


JPP should be brought back at a reasonable price. He may never be defensive player of the year, but he is still an above average player young enough so that he can still have upside.

It's easy to say don't bring him back. Who are you going to replace him with? Another street free agent? Don't we have enough worse than average players to replace already?
RE: they will  
jeff57 : 11/24/2014 12:05 am : link
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beat the Titans, Jags and Redskins.


still 6-10.


Don 't think they're good enough to beat the Titans . 5-11.
I'll be glad to pack JPP ' s bags for him  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2014 12:06 am : link
Go steal money from someone else. He's morphed into Kenny Holmes before our eyes.
Listening to Coughlin right now...  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 11/24/2014 12:06 am : link
he sounds different. Like a guy that has accepted the fact that they are done.

Meanwhile, he just commented again about wanting to have balance to the offense.
Eli had a couple of bis mistakes tonight  
bc4life : 11/24/2014 12:06 am : link
and the defense made some as well. With an under talented team - you're not going to overcome those mistakes.
You spread around what we're paying Eli  
jcn56 : 11/24/2014 12:06 am : link
and see what Nassib can get you. I don't think Nassib is anywhere near as good, but the team has too many holes, and Eli's unfortunately a luxury at top dollar if he's going to continue to play like that.
It's a team loss.  
George : 11/24/2014 12:06 am : link
Eli overthrew a wide open guy on the five yard line that resulted in a pick and, ultimately, a huge TD. Overthrew Donnell with 50 seconds left and missed a sure big gainer. Missed a wide open ODJ on a potential 85 yard TD. Bad.

Inconsistent OL play again. Eli often had little time to find receivers.

Defense was its usual disaster. Non existent pass rush. Horrible Linebacking play. Safeties out of position. Wideouts running free across midfield. Just a nightmare performance.

Kick coverage was horrible.

But we were ahead by 4 with 3:00 to go.

This team is in one of those dark places where they find ways to lose, rather than find ways to win. It's hard to watch, because we've become accustomed to it being the other way round.

It's time for the front office to identify the guys to build around and move on from there. While we obviously need OL, this next draft ought to be about linebackers and pass rushers - and yes, I know, the Giants don't value the former very highly.

It's time they started.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Eli made two bad plays tonight  
Arcanum : 11/24/2014 12:06 am : link
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the throw to Parker that was too high and got picked, then not seeing OBJ running free when Scandrick fell down.

Then he had us in the lead with 3 minutes left. So no, Eli didn't cost us the game.



That's a 14 point swing. We lost the game by 3 points. So yes, those two bad plays by Eli lost us the game.



You are the biggest idiot in this forum. 14 point swing? So Eli played defense when Cowboys went 65 yards. Such a dolt.



You're more loud than bright.

If Eli hits Parker, he scores. If Eli throws to Beckham, he scores. That's 2 TDs. 7 + 7 = 14.

Any questions?


He missed Odell, because he was scrambling for his life. It's hard to stare down one receiver, when you know the pressure is coming. If the line would've given him more time, he would've made that pass
So  
Bernie : 11/24/2014 12:07 am : link
Who wants to give JPP the $50+ million guaranteed he is going to be looking for?
3 losses in a row to Dallas  
JoefromPa : 11/24/2014 12:07 am : link
Last year Eli gets in tied, defense never gets off the field

first game this year, Eli gets it close with 4 minutes, defense never gets off the field

Tonight, well.........
RE: I'll be glad to pack JPP ' s bags for him  
jcn56 : 11/24/2014 12:07 am : link
In comment 11996218 Greg from LI said:
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Go steal money from someone else. He's morphed into Kenny Holmes before our eyes.


Another guy who's good but not worth the numbers being thrown around. He's going to be overpaid, and we need to let him walk if that's the case, even if it is a step back.
and thanks to al the idiot  
bc4life : 11/24/2014 12:07 am : link
season ticket holders who gave their tickets to cowboy fans. if you closed your eyes listening to the roar after the 4th down play - you would have sworn you were in Dallas.
RE: Fire Fewell crowd  
SB : 11/24/2014 12:07 am : link
In comment 11996088 G.O.B. said:
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Temper your expectations. When was the last time the Giants fired someone midseason?


They shit-canned Hufnagel in 2006 before the last game of the season. Gilbride took over and they won against the Skins and actually made the playoffs (Tiki ran for over 200 yards).
RE: RE: Longest losing streak in the league  
yalebowl : 11/24/2014 12:08 am : link
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Lost 6 straight



The Pisarck handoff to Larry Csonka


Sorry this post was supposed to be reply to when we last fired someone mid-season. Bob Gibson offensive cooridinator who called handoff play.
might want tot hink before packing JPPs bags  
bc4life : 11/24/2014 12:10 am : link
on the TD to momma slappin Bryant - JPP was only thing resembling a pass rusher.
beat the skins?  
Arkbach : 11/24/2014 12:10 am : link
no way. Skins play play consistent defense. I doubt this team wins anything more this year. Jac will be stoked for a win.
TC maybe should stay.
Eli is not going anywhere, like it or not.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/24/2014 12:10 am : link
I think the plan has to be, how do we win with him?

Rd. 1 Ogbuehi/Scherff/Peat
Rd. 2 Cann/Flowers
RE: So  
endwerc : 11/24/2014 12:10 am : link
In comment 11996235 Bernie said:
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Who wants to give JPP the $50+ million guaranteed he is going to be looking for?


Dunno, the Raiders maybe. Fuck JPP.
RE: and thanks to al the idiot  
Giants2012 : 11/24/2014 12:10 am : link
In comment 11996240 bc4life said:
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season ticket holders who gave their tickets to cowboy fans. if you closed your eyes listening to the roar after the 4th down play - you would have sworn you were in Dallas.


Go pay for the PSL and travel home after midnight.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Eli made two bad plays tonight  
chris r : 11/24/2014 12:10 am : link
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the throw to Parker that was too high and got picked, then not seeing OBJ running free when Scandrick fell down.

Then he had us in the lead with 3 minutes left. So no, Eli didn't cost us the game.



That's a 14 point swing. We lost the game by 3 points. So yes, those two bad plays by Eli lost us the game.



You are the biggest idiot in this forum. 14 point swing? So Eli played defense when Cowboys went 65 yards. Such a dolt.



You're more loud than bright.

If Eli hits Parker, he scores. If Eli throws to Beckham, he scores. That's 2 TDs. 7 + 7 = 14.

Any questions?



He missed Odell, because he was scrambling for his life. It's hard to stare down one receiver, when you know the pressure is coming. If the line would've given him more time, he would've made that pass


That's the kind of play he's got to stand in there strong and take the hit to make that throw.
RE: and thanks to al the idiot  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 11/24/2014 12:10 am : link
In comment 11996240 bc4life said:
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season ticket holders who gave their tickets to cowboy fans. if you closed your eyes listening to the roar after the 4th down play - you would have sworn you were in Dallas.


Where were all of the Giants fans who could have purchased those tickets? Those tickets go up on the ticket exchange and you don't know WHO is going to buy them. I guess there are more people who want to see the Cowboys than people who want to see the Giants.
Fuck this team fuck this season  
djm : 11/24/2014 12:11 am : link
I'm done.

And really really fuck this defense. Not worthy of the NYG uniform.
I am so glad they had a good week of practice and are trying hard  
Jints in Carolina : 11/24/2014 12:12 am : link
yippppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Nah we can't ditch JPP.  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2014 12:13 am : link
Our defense might go from dead last to...deader laster???
It's the same  
djm : 11/24/2014 12:13 am : link
As Dallas fans Selling off their tickets in Texas. If the roles were reversed in Dallas you'd hear thousands of NYG fans cheering at the end.

Wanna know why NYG fans are selling their tickets? Properties. Don't blame them one fucking bit. Psl and overpriced tickets...
Confirmed that Parker ran his route flat on the INT  
Bramton1 : 11/24/2014 12:14 am : link
Eli says he still needed to hit him in the numbers.
RE: The worst part, for me,  
ed90631 : 11/24/2014 12:14 am : link
In comment 11996007 Exit 172 said:
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is that I know well before kickoff that there are far better things to spend my time on. But yet I make time to watch this garbage team lose again and again and again.

I must be deranged.


DVR, Google the score. Win, watch. Lose, delete.
Properties  
djm : 11/24/2014 12:15 am : link
Meant to say priorities.

People are broke. The economy sucks. If some dickless Dallas fan twat wants to pay 400 bucks for a seat damn right I'd sell it to him. I never have mind you but I don't blame NYG fans one bit for doing so...

It's the same down there in Dallas
EricJ  
bc4life : 11/24/2014 12:16 am : link
Not surprisingly.

Had nothing to do with the game just makes me physically ill to see all these NY idiots who most have never even been to Texas walking around wearing that cowpuke crap.
Defense  
stretch234 : 11/24/2014 12:16 am : link
The QB gave them a 4 point lead with 3 minutes to go. The D once again comes up small. What was the DC philosophy on protecting a 4 point lead

Dallas scored with a minute left. It was a stress less drive for Dallas

How the front office does not see that this DC is in over his head is mind boggling
RE: Properties  
jcn56 : 11/24/2014 12:19 am : link
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Meant to say priorities.

People are broke. The economy sucks. If some dickless Dallas fan twat wants to pay 400 bucks for a seat damn right I'd sell it to him. I never have mind you but I don't blame NYG fans one bit for doing so...

It's the same down there in Dallas


I said it before the game - I'm glad that PSL owners (I'm not one) could recoup their costs.

They have to pay for 10 games of this shit, which includes 2 preseason that they're likely going to outright eat. When the team sucks, they've got a choice of either paying at least $120/ticket (or more) plus parking to go watch the shitfest, or sell them off at a loss.

A handful of teams travel well and drum up demand for the tickets, and maybe help them out by not taking too big a hit, one of them being the Cowboys.

Sucks, but that's how it goes, I don't blame them one bit.
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