Go steal money from someone else. He's morphed into Kenny Holmes before our eyes.
Another guy who's good but not worth the numbers being thrown around. He's going to be overpaid, and we need to let him walk if that's the case, even if it is a step back.
Why do you think that JPP is going to be overpaid. He had one year as an elite lineman and he's been going downhill ever since. We have to keep him because he's still a better than average DE and we have so many worse than average players to replace.
After the OBJ catch, we get nothing. After Eli drives the field and takes the lead, at home, the defense can't get a stop.
How anyone doesn't see this is the fault of the D-co is beyond me. Fewell has no feel for the game. He has no adjustments at halftime. He's a fucking joke and has been a fucking joke for 5 years now.
Fire him tomorrow morning. Start rebuilding the defense tomorrow.
For those who think Eli lost the game, you're right. He has to be perfect in order to win with this team and he made mistakes.
For those who think the defense lost the game, you're right. They no-showed in the last quarter and blew the lead late. No pressure, no coverage.
For those who blame Fewell, you're right. bad schemes, bad personel choices late in the game, bad overal strategy. They give up 30+ points way too often.
For those who blame Reese, you're right. This talentless roster couldn't beat a girl's high school team (there are a few exceptions but not many)and that fact has to be left right at his doorstep.
For those who blame Coughlin, you're right. He's the big cheese, he's the man repsonsible. You can't tell me he didn't see this coming. His coaching trajectory here mirrors his trajectory at Jacksonville (it did reach much higher but is ending the same way.) The Jags weren't sentimental about their sucess with Tom. They moved on when the stink of failure grew to great. Time for the Giants to do the same.
I think the plan has to be, how do we win with him?
Rd. 1 Ogbuehi/Scherff/Peat
Rd. 2 Cann/Flowers
Hate to say it, but I don't think we can anymore. If we end up paying Eli top dollar, then have to surround him with a series of high draft picks/FA OL, then there won't be enough left to rebuild the rest of the team.
I don't like it one bit, because I do like Eli a lot - beyond the SBs, he's always been a gamer and a good soldier, and he's a solid citizen. He's been fantastic at times, and he's delivered on the biggest stage.
But - the guy needs more to work with than most of your other top shelf QBs. Not just an OL, but the other skill positions, and paying him another big contract just won't leave the funds we need to do that.
Would another team come in and gladly take him off our hands? I don't doubt it, but I think we'd both be better off that way. I don't see us rebuilding this team through the draft in enough time for Eli to be a part of it. We're at least a couple of seasons away that way.
RE: RE: Just what is the definition of insanity? Â
I think the plan has to be, how do we win with him?
Rd. 1 Ogbuehi/Scherff/Peat
Rd. 2 Cann/Flowers
Hate to say it, but I don't think we can anymore. If we end up paying Eli top dollar, then have to surround him with a series of high draft picks/FA OL, then there won't be enough left to rebuild the rest of the team.
I don't like it one bit, because I do like Eli a lot - beyond the SBs, he's always been a gamer and a good soldier, and he's a solid citizen. He's been fantastic at times, and he's delivered on the biggest stage.
But - the guy needs more to work with than most of your other top shelf QBs. Not just an OL, but the other skill positions, and paying him another big contract just won't leave the funds we need to do that.
Would another team come in and gladly take him off our hands? I don't doubt it, but I think we'd both be better off that way. I don't see us rebuilding this team through the draft in enough time for Eli to be a part of it. We're at least a couple of seasons away that way.
I just don't believe that Reese, Mara and co will separate with him. I think they want him to stay, want him to succeed. Only way is to build that line.
best possible outcome. Good game, Giants were competitive, but ultimately I want a high draft pick and Perry Fewell gone. We need another elite player and thats the only place we're going to get one
What if Reese hadn't let a lot of 2011 and 2012 starters go and Â
our front included Tuck, Joseph, JPP, Osi, Blackburn and Boley. Add Hill in place of Stevie Wonder. I think most people here would be against it and I also think that we would have a defense with pride, swagger, and toughness that would never be last in the league in run defense and would get to the quarterback in less than nine seconds.
the scores were tied in 4th quarter, down 6, and up 4. This team isn't completely devoid of talent. They just don't have enough to get over the hump late in games versus good teams.
Postives:
- ODB is the man.
- Schwartz did an excellent job at RT.
- I thought McAdoo called a really good game.
Negatives:
- The d-line is an embarrassment. Outside of Hankins & Ayers, none of them have earned their paychecks.
- I hope the Giants feel good about whatever lesson was taught by cutting Will Hill when they watch Demps play atrocious football week after week.
- Hosley and Kiwanuka are TERRIBLE football players.
- For a guy who will probably want a ton of money, JPP sure comes up small a lot.
- The o-line is still poor.
- The Giants have a grand total of ZERO TEs with the ability to run block. Donnell is single-handedly killing the running game when he's in there.
- Perry Fewell should've been fired during the bye.
How can you want Cooper after that game? OL? DE? MLB? FS?
Randle, Parker, Cruz (laid up in his bed with his return to health far from certain), Jennings, etc. are well below average skill position players when compared with other teams. Cooper is one of the few players for whom there's little question he'll succeed as a pro.
I don't really care for any of the o-linemen considered 1st round prospects outside of the LSU tackle. I would trade a shitload for Williams from USC. However, I don't think any of the top-flight DL fall to the Giants.
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You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.
I would go for Iupati as our big FA and do whatever it takes to get Amari in the draft.
A line of Beatty-Iupati-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh with an OL pick in round 2 (possibly as a left tackle to replace Beatty down the line) would work. Get Amari and the offense could be fire with Amari, Odell and hopefully Cruz at WR.
The defense actually has some talent, it just needs a LOT better coaching. If they add defense they need at least one LB, one pass rusher and a safety
Tuck (5 sacks), JPP (16.5 sacks), Joseph (2 sacks), and Osi (9 sacks) and a good blitzing linebacker in Boley and he is a fool now with Kiwanuka (1.5 sacks), JPP (3.5 sacks), and Hankis/Moore (5.5 sacks combined).
Did Ayers play tonight? He is our leading sackster with 6.
Ah, shit. You had to know that we were going to pay for those two magic years with some crap years. Life seems to work that way.
RE: Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim Â
You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.
Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need
RE: RE: Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim Â
You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.
Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need
I would go Iupati in free agency...look above. Then you have most of your OL solved with Richburg at C, Schwartz at RG and Pugh at RT. It gives you the opportunity to go BPA in R1 and OL in round 2 possibly to replace Beatty at LT
Eli is being Eli. He was never a $20 mil QB to start with. What genius decided to pay him that much?
PS I still think he's a great QB, but his cap hit is too much for the Giants or anyone to absorb.
Trade him? who's going to take that cap hit for a guy on the down-side of his career. The Giants made their bed....
The genius that realized that was where the QB market was going and if they didn't pay him to keep their window open (and given how he dragged a bad team along for most of the year in 2011, to give them a chance to get hot, in order to win a SB, I'd say he kept it open probably more than this FO deserved), someone else would have gladly taken him off their hands in 2008.
Also: Eli's AAV of his contract is $16.2M. His $20M+ cap hit is what it is because of previous restructuring by the Giants and how they chose to lay the contract. It has nothing to do with Manning's value or even what he's pulling in in total; it's a matter of accounting by the Giants.
For the record, Alex Smith is a $17M AAV. Andy Dalton is a $19M AAV (though he won't see the full length of his deal). Joe Flacco is a $20.1M AAV. Carson Palmer's extension puts him at $16.6M (though he won't see the full length of his either).
RE: RE: Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim Â
You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.
Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need
If you're picking at 8 there's a pretty good chance that Brandon Scherff is gone, and then after that you've got Peat who I like but who I'd have to think long and hard about spending a top 10 pick on.
LT's have a big bust rate, and you have to be sure.
RE: RE: RE: Because you don't pick interior linemen in the top 10, Jim Â
You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.
Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need
I would go Iupati in free agency...look above. Then you have most of your OL solved with Richburg at C, Schwartz at RG and Pugh at RT. It gives you the opportunity to go BPA in R1 and OL in round 2 possibly to replace Beatty at LT
Iupati will be the most prized OG FA, guys like him make huge money. There will also be competition for him, its not like the Giants are the only game in town.
Pugh has played poorly this season. Schwartz played terribly at LG. Richburg just got benched? There are no sure things on this OL AT ALL. Well except that Jerry and Walton suck. Beatty choke holds DEs.
It has to be the draft, ok forget the 1st 2 rds. Draft an OT rd 1, that's a start. Maybe Pugh can kick inside. Beatty/Pugh/Richburg/Schwartz/Ogbuehi. They can draft Beatty's replacement next year when his contract is cuttable.
Why are Papa and Banks going after the running game? Yeah, I get it, our run game isn't good but did they watch the defense give up the game winning drive?
Every week its the same with Banks - the players are making fundamental plays. Yeah, got that, but isn't it the job of the coaches to emphasis how to make fundamental plays?
Coughlin, Reese, and the rest of the coaching staff. Trade Eli also. Thanks for the Super Bowls, but it is time to move on from Eli. I will love him forever and he will always be a Giant, but he is a TURNOVER MACHINE and you cannot have that in the NFL. That pass to Parker is the difference in the game. Following last week's 5 INT performance and last years 100 Int season, it is time to move on. I hope we lose the rest of our games so we can draft a new QB.
youre a fucking idiot. go watch another team. wanting your team to lose? eat shit you dumb fuck.go become a jet fan and take off whatever bigblue gear you have. fans like you are an absolute disgrace to the game of football. it speaks volumes of the person you are...just want to roll over a die for a higher draft pick? a couple bad seasons bc of terrible line play and you want to gut the roster and start over. teams go decades without winning anything you get to see 2 super bowl victories and after some bad times you give up. take the highs with the lows.....seriously though get the fuck out of here and go watch the jetplanes.
except a couple of bad plays - yeah. But, that INT was a terrible, terrible throw, in the red zone, with no pressure.
So, Eli wasn't the only reason for the loss, but he was A reason in this game. I like Eli, but he's got to make the easy plays.
The throw to Beckham that never was, that's a tougher call. You could hear Collinsworth say, "uh oh" as soon as OBJ got open and he thought it was a TD about to happen. It's hard to say if Eli could have/should have thrown it. I'd have to see it again to see why he couldn't. But, a 20 million dollar QB has a streaking WR get wide open...yeah, you'd like to see that ball in the air.
But, as usual for this year, this game ultimately came down to the D who shit the bed. Again. They're just pathetic, and it starts with PF because I have to think we have better talent to get a pass rush than we're managing to show. I mean, 7 fucking seconds...jeezus.
Seriously pathetic. I'm listening to WFAN now and Madoofus is saying how pathetic it is that our defense was laying back and playing it safe on the game winning drive by Dallas. I couldn't agree more. We were talking about Fewell's "philosophy" last week. Well, that's his philosophy right there - you have the game on the line - two minutes to play at home - a wasted season that everyone knows is going no where - and Perry limp dick Fewell is going to play it safe. The guy is a fucking joke. At least go down swinging. But no - not Fewell. We gave up the game winning drive with 3 minutes left at home. Fucking pathetic.
except a couple of bad plays - yeah. But, that INT was a terrible, terrible throw, in the red zone, with no pressure.
So, Eli wasn't the only reason for the loss, but he was A reason in this game. I like Eli, but he's got to make the easy plays.
The throw to Beckham that never was, that's a tougher call. You could hear Collinsworth say, "uh oh" as soon as OBJ got open and he thought it was a TD about to happen. It's hard to say if Eli could have/should have thrown it. I'd have to see it again to see why he couldn't. But, a 20 million dollar QB has a streaking WR get wide open...yeah, you'd like to see that ball in the air.
But, as usual for this year, this game ultimately came down to the D who shit the bed. Again. They're just pathetic, and it starts with PF because I have to think we have better talent to get a pass rush than we're managing to show. I mean, 7 fucking seconds...jeezus.
Seriously pathetic. I'm listening to WFAN now and Madoofus is saying how pathetic it is that our defense was laying back and playing it safe on the game winning drive by Dallas. I couldn't agree more. We were talking about Fewell's "philosophy" last week. Well, that's his philosophy right there - you have the game on the line - two minutes to play at home - a wasted season that everyone knows is going no where - and Perry limp dick Fewell is going to play it safe. The guy is a fucking joke. At least go down swinging. But no - not Fewell. We gave up the game winning drive with 3 minutes left at home. Fucking pathetic.
But it did put another nail in Coughlin's coffin. The only prayer that Coughlin has is that the giants have a meddling owner who might be persuaded to give tc another shot. No gm in the game would bring Coughlin back
Wonder if Ayers was hurt. Didn't seem like he got that many snaps or he wasn't that effective.
Pugh gives them absolutely nothing in the pass rush.
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Go steal money from someone else. He's morphed into Kenny Holmes before our eyes.
Another guy who's good but not worth the numbers being thrown around. He's going to be overpaid, and we need to let him walk if that's the case, even if it is a step back.
Why do you think that JPP is going to be overpaid. He had one year as an elite lineman and he's been going downhill ever since. We have to keep him because he's still a better than average DE and we have so many worse than average players to replace.
No one is going to pay JPP elite lineman salary.
So we are all probably insane to watch this garbage week after week.
How anyone doesn't see this is the fault of the D-co is beyond me. Fewell has no feel for the game. He has no adjustments at halftime. He's a fucking joke and has been a fucking joke for 5 years now.
Fire him tomorrow morning. Start rebuilding the defense tomorrow.
Pugh gives them absolutely nothing in the pass rush.
Hope not, since he an OT and not even active tonight.
Jerruh will be 1st in line....
So we are all probably insane to watch this garbage week after week.
You just knew that Fewell would sit back and never blitz and that Dallas would march right down the field.
For those who think the defense lost the game, you're right. They no-showed in the last quarter and blew the lead late. No pressure, no coverage.
For those who blame Fewell, you're right. bad schemes, bad personel choices late in the game, bad overal strategy. They give up 30+ points way too often.
For those who blame Reese, you're right. This talentless roster couldn't beat a girl's high school team (there are a few exceptions but not many)and that fact has to be left right at his doorstep.
For those who blame Coughlin, you're right. He's the big cheese, he's the man repsonsible. You can't tell me he didn't see this coming. His coaching trajectory here mirrors his trajectory at Jacksonville (it did reach much higher but is ending the same way.) The Jags weren't sentimental about their sucess with Tom. They moved on when the stink of failure grew to great. Time for the Giants to do the same.
Rd. 1 Ogbuehi/Scherff/Peat
Rd. 2 Cann/Flowers
Hate to say it, but I don't think we can anymore. If we end up paying Eli top dollar, then have to surround him with a series of high draft picks/FA OL, then there won't be enough left to rebuild the rest of the team.
I don't like it one bit, because I do like Eli a lot - beyond the SBs, he's always been a gamer and a good soldier, and he's a solid citizen. He's been fantastic at times, and he's delivered on the biggest stage.
But - the guy needs more to work with than most of your other top shelf QBs. Not just an OL, but the other skill positions, and paying him another big contract just won't leave the funds we need to do that.
Would another team come in and gladly take him off our hands? I don't doubt it, but I think we'd both be better off that way. I don't see us rebuilding this team through the draft in enough time for Eli to be a part of it. We're at least a couple of seasons away that way.
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Yeah, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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So we are all probably insane to watch this garbage week after week.
You just knew that Fewell would sit back and never blitz and that Dallas would march right down the field.
Problem is, even when we do blitz, we can't get there. We almost had to there however. He had way tooo much time on that drive.
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I think the plan has to be, how do we win with him?
Rd. 1 Ogbuehi/Scherff/Peat
Rd. 2 Cann/Flowers
Hate to say it, but I don't think we can anymore. If we end up paying Eli top dollar, then have to surround him with a series of high draft picks/FA OL, then there won't be enough left to rebuild the rest of the team.
I don't like it one bit, because I do like Eli a lot - beyond the SBs, he's always been a gamer and a good soldier, and he's a solid citizen. He's been fantastic at times, and he's delivered on the biggest stage.
But - the guy needs more to work with than most of your other top shelf QBs. Not just an OL, but the other skill positions, and paying him another big contract just won't leave the funds we need to do that.
Would another team come in and gladly take him off our hands? I don't doubt it, but I think we'd both be better off that way. I don't see us rebuilding this team through the draft in enough time for Eli to be a part of it. We're at least a couple of seasons away that way.
I just don't believe that Reese, Mara and co will separate with him. I think they want him to stay, want him to succeed. Only way is to build that line.
Eli is being Eli. He was never a $20 mil QB to start with. What genius decided to pay him that much?
PS I still think he's a great QB, but his cap hit is too much for the Giants or anyone to absorb.
Trade him? who's going to take that cap hit for a guy on the down-side of his career. The Giants made their bed....
Think I saw Romo order his post-game meal on one of those plays.
Moreover, it was Reese who kept backloading Manning's contract through multiple restructures because Reese can't manage his finances.
Postives:
- ODB is the man.
- Schwartz did an excellent job at RT.
- I thought McAdoo called a really good game.
Negatives:
- The d-line is an embarrassment. Outside of Hankins & Ayers, none of them have earned their paychecks.
- I hope the Giants feel good about whatever lesson was taught by cutting Will Hill when they watch Demps play atrocious football week after week.
- Hosley and Kiwanuka are TERRIBLE football players.
- For a guy who will probably want a ton of money, JPP sure comes up small a lot.
- The o-line is still poor.
- The Giants have a grand total of ZERO TEs with the ability to run block. Donnell is single-handedly killing the running game when he's in there.
- Perry Fewell should've been fired during the bye.
Being that so many of us want him, I'd say absolutely no fucking way he's available.
How can you want Cooper after that game? OL? DE? MLB? FS?
Yep. And Kuhn. And Demps. And Herzlich. And Paysinger. And others.
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How can you want Cooper after that game? OL? DE? MLB? FS?
Randle, Parker, Cruz (laid up in his bed with his return to health far from certain), Jennings, etc. are well below average skill position players when compared with other teams. Cooper is one of the few players for whom there's little question he'll succeed as a pro.
I don't really care for any of the o-linemen considered 1st round prospects outside of the LSU tackle. I would trade a shitload for Williams from USC. However, I don't think any of the top-flight DL fall to the Giants.
I would go for Iupati as our big FA and do whatever it takes to get Amari in the draft.
A line of Beatty-Iupati-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh with an OL pick in round 2 (possibly as a left tackle to replace Beatty down the line) would work. Get Amari and the offense could be fire with Amari, Odell and hopefully Cruz at WR.
The defense actually has some talent, it just needs a LOT better coaching. If they add defense they need at least one LB, one pass rusher and a safety
Did Ayers play tonight? He is our leading sackster with 6.
Ah, shit. You had to know that we were going to pay for those two magic years with some crap years. Life seems to work that way.
Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need
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You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.
Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need
I would go Iupati in free agency...look above. Then you have most of your OL solved with Richburg at C, Schwartz at RG and Pugh at RT. It gives you the opportunity to go BPA in R1 and OL in round 2 possibly to replace Beatty at LT
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for a $20 million dollar QB.
Eli is being Eli. He was never a $20 mil QB to start with. What genius decided to pay him that much?
PS I still think he's a great QB, but his cap hit is too much for the Giants or anyone to absorb.
Trade him? who's going to take that cap hit for a guy on the down-side of his career. The Giants made their bed....
The genius that realized that was where the QB market was going and if they didn't pay him to keep their window open (and given how he dragged a bad team along for most of the year in 2011, to give them a chance to get hot, in order to win a SB, I'd say he kept it open probably more than this FO deserved), someone else would have gladly taken him off their hands in 2008.
Also: Eli's AAV of his contract is $16.2M. His $20M+ cap hit is what it is because of previous restructuring by the Giants and how they chose to lay the contract. It has nothing to do with Manning's value or even what he's pulling in in total; it's a matter of accounting by the Giants.
For the record, Alex Smith is a $17M AAV. Andy Dalton is a $19M AAV (though he won't see the full length of his deal). Joe Flacco is a $20.1M AAV. Carson Palmer's extension puts him at $16.6M (though he won't see the full length of his either).
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You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.
Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need
If you're picking at 8 there's a pretty good chance that Brandon Scherff is gone, and then after that you've got Peat who I like but who I'd have to think long and hard about spending a top 10 pick on.
LT's have a big bust rate, and you have to be sure.
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You can get quality interior OL in rounds 2 and 3. You can't get Amari Cooper there.
Sorry, but with the way the Giants OL issues have gone..you go OL in first, second. Different situation I'd agree with you. Too long ignoring the OL need
I would go Iupati in free agency...look above. Then you have most of your OL solved with Richburg at C, Schwartz at RG and Pugh at RT. It gives you the opportunity to go BPA in R1 and OL in round 2 possibly to replace Beatty at LT
Iupati will be the most prized OG FA, guys like him make huge money. There will also be competition for him, its not like the Giants are the only game in town.
Pugh has played poorly this season. Schwartz played terribly at LG. Richburg just got benched? There are no sure things on this OL AT ALL. Well except that Jerry and Walton suck. Beatty choke holds DEs.
It has to be the draft, ok forget the 1st 2 rds. Draft an OT rd 1, that's a start. Maybe Pugh can kick inside. Beatty/Pugh/Richburg/Schwartz/Ogbuehi. They can draft Beatty's replacement next year when his contract is cuttable.
Every week its the same with Banks - the players are making fundamental plays. Yeah, got that, but isn't it the job of the coaches to emphasis how to make fundamental plays?
youre a fucking idiot. go watch another team. wanting your team to lose? eat shit you dumb fuck.go become a jet fan and take off whatever bigblue gear you have. fans like you are an absolute disgrace to the game of football. it speaks volumes of the person you are...just want to roll over a die for a higher draft pick? a couple bad seasons bc of terrible line play and you want to gut the roster and start over. teams go decades without winning anything you get to see 2 super bowl victories and after some bad times you give up. take the highs with the lows.....seriously though get the fuck out of here and go watch the jetplanes.
So, Eli wasn't the only reason for the loss, but he was A reason in this game. I like Eli, but he's got to make the easy plays.
The throw to Beckham that never was, that's a tougher call. You could hear Collinsworth say, "uh oh" as soon as OBJ got open and he thought it was a TD about to happen. It's hard to say if Eli could have/should have thrown it. I'd have to see it again to see why he couldn't. But, a 20 million dollar QB has a streaking WR get wide open...yeah, you'd like to see that ball in the air.
But, as usual for this year, this game ultimately came down to the D who shit the bed. Again. They're just pathetic, and it starts with PF because I have to think we have better talent to get a pass rush than we're managing to show. I mean, 7 fucking seconds...jeezus.
So, Eli wasn't the only reason for the loss, but he was A reason in this game. I like Eli, but he's got to make the easy plays.
The throw to Beckham that never was, that's a tougher call. You could hear Collinsworth say, "uh oh" as soon as OBJ got open and he thought it was a TD about to happen. It's hard to say if Eli could have/should have thrown it. I'd have to see it again to see why he couldn't. But, a 20 million dollar QB has a streaking WR get wide open...yeah, you'd like to see that ball in the air.
But, as usual for this year, this game ultimately came down to the D who shit the bed. Again. They're just pathetic, and it starts with PF because I have to think we have better talent to get a pass rush than we're managing to show. I mean, 7 fucking seconds...jeezus.
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But it did put another nail in Coughlin's coffin. The only prayer that Coughlin has is that the giants have a meddling owner who might be persuaded to give tc another shot. No gm in the game would bring Coughlin back