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It's all Eli's fault

Zebra3 : 11/23/2014 11:50 pm
And go.
Did Eli  
Mike in NY : 11/23/2014 11:52 pm : link
Allow the Cowboys to march 80 yards for the game winning TD while giving Tony Romo 8-9 seconds to throw?
I'm so sick of the anti-Eli crowd  
PatersonPlank : 11/23/2014 11:53 pm : link
No other "fanbase" (to use the term loosely) has a QB go
29/40 (72.5%), 340 yds, 3 TDs, and 1 Int, and blames him for the loss. I swear some here never watch football and only play Madden 15. If he isn't perfect he sucks, regardless of the fact that he has people hanging all over him.
As I said to dep, you aren't helping with this type of thing.  
Riggies : 11/23/2014 11:54 pm : link
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The giants are a mess.  
shabu : 11/23/2014 11:54 pm : link
Giants are just a mess.

ZERO playmakers on Defense other than HANK.

OL sucks.

ELI threw a SHIT ball.

Help me OBJ you are my only hope.
RE: As I said to dep, you aren't helping with this type of thing.  
dep026 : 11/23/2014 11:55 pm : link
In comment 11996062 Riggies said:
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Does it matter. The idiots of BBI will continue to say something stupid so why not encourage them more?
Delete this stupid thread  
oldutican : 11/23/2014 11:57 pm : link
Please.
Because I'd rather BBI not become a full-blown Giants.com or  
Riggies : 11/23/2014 11:57 pm : link
Twitter, in terms of overreacting foolishness.

People who blame Eli [entirely] for this game are morons; you know that, I know that. Be better than them and don't bait them or act like a thin-skinned jackass over it and blow it up repeatedly.
RE: Because I'd rather BBI not become a full-blown Giants.com or  
Zebra3 : 11/24/2014 12:00 am : link
In comment 11996109 Riggies said:
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Twitter, in terms of overreacting foolishness.

People who blame Eli [entirely] for this game are morons; you know that, I know that. Be better than them and don't bait them or act like a thin-skinned jackass over it and blow it up repeatedly.

Agree
Good to get them all on one thread.
As I've said before  
KWhite2250 : 11/24/2014 12:02 am : link
I cant wait for Eli to retire(i dont want it too soon) because im so fucking tired of the overanalysis of 1 fucking player. Ppl just sit here waiting to shit on him or over praise him. The entire team sucks minus a few players.
I almost can't wait for the day Eli retires  
Bramton1 : 11/24/2014 12:03 am : link
and we get stuck with the next Dave Brown.

Granted, I might quit watching football if they happens.
Eli is a really good QB...  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/24/2014 12:04 am : link
the issue is he's paid like a great QB. That is a problem in the salary cap era. It's like you can't pay for great Olineman...
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yankees78 : 11/24/2014 12:06 am : link
Every throw Eli makes is like life and death around here. Jesus...
Zebra3  
jpat54 : 11/24/2014 12:09 am : link
You haven't a clue.
RE: Eli is a really good QB...  
Riggies : 11/24/2014 12:09 am : link
In comment 11996204 Thunderstruck27 said:
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the issue is he's paid like a great QB. That is a problem in the salary cap era. It's like you can't pay for great Olineman...


The Giants have spent a significant chunk of cap room on the OL in recent years (including now having to carry dead money on some players they've had to move on from). More than most teams.

It's an easy talking point, but in reality, the problem with this team and OL aren't Eli Manning's cap hit or his $16.2M AAV. It's talent selection, evaluation, and development, mixed with a small bit bad injury luck. None of that is going to suddenly change because any player takes a pay cut or more cap-friendly deal.
RE: I'm so sick of the anti-Eli crowd  
bigbluescot : 11/24/2014 12:11 am : link
In comment 11996045 PatersonPlank said:
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No other "fanbase" (to use the term loosely) has a QB go
29/40 (72.5%), 340 yds, 3 TDs, and 1 Int, and blames him for the loss. I swear some here never watch football and only play Madden 15. If he isn't perfect he sucks, regardless of the fact that he has people hanging all over him.


It's the manner of the pick and the 7 points it took off the board. It's an unbelievably terrible throw to a guy who couldn't be more open. And frankly, Eli has a track record of throwing too hard and too high causing ints.

Ultimately when you're paid like he is, and when you've had the track record he's had over the last two years, and when you're coming off a 5 int game the previous week then yes

Romo puts up great stats but still gets the choker tag. Eli put up good stats today but still monumentally fucked up in key situations, it's not a mutually exclusive thing. And frankly it's becoming a habit for Eli.

The defense is shit, terribly coached and wasn't particularly good to start with and is down to guys off the street in the secondary. And giving their continuing excellence in setting new lows each week, everyone knows it's a terrible defense. That might put an unfair pressure on the offense, but that's just the way it is.
you  
area junc : 11/24/2014 12:13 am : link
have to make that throw
Every time Eli throws an interception  
Zebra3 : 11/24/2014 12:17 am : link
A kitten dies.
Eli  
stretch234 : 11/24/2014 12:26 am : link
When you QB gives your defense a 4 point lead with 3 minutes to go by driving 93 yards at home, the D is supposed to make a stand. Once again the defense gave it up
RE: RE: Eli is a really good QB...  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/24/2014 12:37 am : link
In comment 11996256 Riggies said:
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In comment 11996204 Thunderstruck27 said:


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the issue is he's paid like a great QB. That is a problem in the salary cap era. It's like you can't pay for great Olineman...



The Giants have spent a significant chunk of cap room on the OL in recent years (including now having to carry dead money on some players they've had to move on from). More than most teams.

It's an easy talking point, but in reality, the problem with this team and OL aren't Eli Manning's cap hit or his $16.2M AAV. It's talent selection, evaluation, and development, mixed with a small bit bad injury luck. None of that is going to suddenly change because any player takes a pay cut or more cap-friendly deal.


Actually it could suddenly change if they had the money to invest in quality. When is the last time we made a significant investment in a top tier FA Olineman? The last one I remember is McKenzie...
Mckenzie  
stretch234 : 11/24/2014 12:51 am : link
He was not a top tier FA OL.

Schwartz was the top rated G this offseason. Who do expect to get. A top LT cost 20m more than Beatty

How does the staff watch the tape and see Walton's play and determine he is starting C. The Cowboys drafted a C and played him. GB let their vet C go and are playing a 7th rd pick. NE is playing their rookie 4th rd C.

The Giants draft their Future C and play him at G and then bench him
You hear that people  
dep026 : 11/24/2014 12:53 am : link
Eli fucked up in a key situation by giving them a 4 point lead with a 93 yard drive with 3:00 to go left in the game.

DAMN YOU ELI!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: RE: RE: Eli is a really good QB...  
Riggies : 11/24/2014 12:56 am : link
In comment 11996478 Thunderstruck27 said:
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In comment 11996256 Riggies said:


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In comment 11996204 Thunderstruck27 said:


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the issue is he's paid like a great QB. That is a problem in the salary cap era. It's like you can't pay for great Olineman...



The Giants have spent a significant chunk of cap room on the OL in recent years (including now having to carry dead money on some players they've had to move on from). More than most teams.

It's an easy talking point, but in reality, the problem with this team and OL aren't Eli Manning's cap hit or his $16.2M AAV. It's talent selection, evaluation, and development, mixed with a small bit bad injury luck. None of that is going to suddenly change because any player takes a pay cut or more cap-friendly deal.



Actually it could suddenly change if they had the money to invest in quality. When is the last time we made a significant investment in a top tier FA Olineman? The last one I remember is McKenzie...


Baas.

They tried to invest significant money in Shawn Andrews, but they smartly structured his contract to be able to get out from under him when his back blew again.

Diehl and Snee weren't FAs, but both played under sizable contracts here too in recent years (in Snee's case, they're still paying for it). Beatty is playing for slightly above average LT money.
dep's going to get arrested for strawmen mass murder  
chris r : 11/24/2014 12:56 am : link
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this place is filled  
Peter from CT : 11/24/2014 8:22 am : link
with keyboard heros with jiggly man boobs
Extreme BBI  
River Mike : 11/24/2014 8:34 am : link
The hyperbole on this site is crazy. Someone will make a not terribly outrageous statement like "That was a bad throw by Eli", and there will immediately be a barrage of "Eli is not the reason we lost the game!", "why are people so obsessed with one play?", Eli haters will be glad when he's gone!" or some such crap. Good grief!

No, Eli is not the reason we lost the game, and yes, Eli will make bad throws just like every other QB. I don't know why that cannot be discussed objectively without the hysteria.
he had good moments  
Les in TO : 11/24/2014 9:07 am : link
but also some bad ones (the INT, the near INT in the first quarter on the cross body throw and missing a wide open OB); he was also under fire all night.

it was the D's fault primarily that we lost the game (coaching and players). but if you think Eli played a full brilliant game, then you are a homer of the worst kind.

Id just like to know  
dep026 : 11/24/2014 9:10 am : link
what you call a brilliant game? I am not trying to be a dick, but I'd like to here your opinion.

Would you considered Peyton's game brilliant yesterday?
RE: Extreme BBI  
Section331 : 11/24/2014 9:33 am : link
In comment 11996933 River Mike said:
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The hyperbole on this site is crazy. Someone will make a not terribly outrageous statement like "That was a bad throw by Eli", and there will immediately be a barrage of "Eli is not the reason we lost the game!", "why are people so obsessed with one play?", Eli haters will be glad when he's gone!" or some such crap. Good grief!

No, Eli is not the reason we lost the game, and yes, Eli will make bad throws just like every other QB. I don't know why that cannot be discussed objectively without the hysteria.


Did you even read the initial post? That is why posters get defensive about Eli. No one is saying he doesn't have his warts, but when idiots want to pin a loss like last night on him, yeah, real fans are going to get a little crazy.
RE: RE: Extreme BBI  
dep026 : 11/24/2014 9:34 am : link
In comment 11997176 Section331 said:
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In comment 11996933 River Mike said:


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The hyperbole on this site is crazy. Someone will make a not terribly outrageous statement like "That was a bad throw by Eli", and there will immediately be a barrage of "Eli is not the reason we lost the game!", "why are people so obsessed with one play?", Eli haters will be glad when he's gone!" or some such crap. Good grief!

No, Eli is not the reason we lost the game, and yes, Eli will make bad throws just like every other QB. I don't know why that cannot be discussed objectively without the hysteria.



Did you even read the initial post? That is why posters get defensive about Eli. No one is saying he doesn't have his warts, but when idiots want to pin a loss like last night on him, yeah, real fans are going to get a little crazy.


The OP was being sarcastic because of the game thread where people were still talking about Eli's 3rd Quarter INT as Dallas was going in for the GW drive.
RE: Id just like to know  
Les in TO : 11/24/2014 9:40 am : link
In comment 11997080 dep026 said:
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what you call a brilliant game? I am not trying to be a dick, but I'd like to here your opinion.

Would you considered Peyton's game brilliant yesterday?


a brilliant game would have been - not throwing the pick, not nearly throwing another pick on an ill advised cross body throw, showing some more poise on some of his checkdowns and noticing a wide open OB. He merely played very well for most of the game, but those errors and omissions were not helpful and he's paid at a level not to make those mistakes. I didn't watch any other game yesterday.
RE: RE: Id just like to know  
dep026 : 11/24/2014 9:47 am : link
In comment 11997199 Les in TO said:
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In comment 11997080 dep026 said:


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what you call a brilliant game? I am not trying to be a dick, but I'd like to here your opinion.

Would you considered Peyton's game brilliant yesterday?



a brilliant game would have been - not throwing the pick, not nearly throwing another pick on an ill advised cross body throw, showing some more poise on some of his checkdowns and noticing a wide open OB. He merely played very well for most of the game, but those errors and omissions were not helpful and he's paid at a level not to make those mistakes. I didn't watch any other game yesterday.


1. The INT and the throw on the 1st drive, I definitely agree with you on.
2. His checkdowns were fine, and our screen game was its best all year.
3. I just dont know how a single poster can fault him for not SEEING Beckham. I mean if he threw the ball and missed him, then I can see the fault in the logic. But by the time he saw him open, he couldnt step into th throw, so he checked it down.

My point is that QBs are going to miss throws every single game, which includes great QBs like Brady, Rodgers, etc..... The INT was bad, but Eli gave us a chance to win the game, and thats sometimes all you can ask for.
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