but Eli was also a good bit of the reason we had 21 points after three drives. Our skill position players outside of Beckham and Jennings suck. We don't have a reliable TE, we have a below average starting TE in Donnell who had one good game and has had a couple catches here and there. Our line sucks.
he's not a rookie. He doesn't get patted on the back anymore for putting up good numbers but making huge mistakes that lose the game. He's our 20 million dollar a year QB. Got to make those plays.
Eli played a very good game. It wasn't a great game because his pick was the result of a terrible throw on an easy TD. On top of that he missed an open Beckham and then threw too high on a wide open Donnell on the final drive. Two of those should have been gimmes and the one to Beckham very likely could have been a long TD.
He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
The D was putrid. But, if you don't place at least part of the blame on Eli then you watched a different game. The INT was a 14 point turnaround. His two other terrible throws were a potential TD and sure first down on the final drive.
but both could still have been caught and neither should have been tipped up, in Parker's case leading to the INT and in Donnell's case thankfully uneventfully.
who blame Eli for not seeing Beckham deep really show a true lack of football intelligence. Do you really think he wouldnt throw the ball if he saw him initially? Really?
The probnlem was he didnt see the defender fall, and then forced to his right, and by the time he saw Beckham a guy was charging at him so he couldnt step up.
lol even if Eli hits Parker on the numbers and scores
I get it. Eli played well enough for us to win. But with our defense, he can't afford to throw high passes for what looked like a potential TD or worst a FG. Dallas goes the other way and scores, at least a 10 point swing right there. I love Eli nd will defend him, but those mistakes have to stop. We handed Dallas the ball. Missing Beckham wide open sucks too but the pick was just not good.
The D was putrid. But, if you don't place at least part of the blame on Eli then you watched a different game. The INT was a 14 point turnaround. His two other terrible throws were a potential TD and sure first down on the final drive.
Please explain why its a 14 point turnaround? Because the defense let the mgo right dow the field and score? What if he did hit Parker for the score, and Dallas went right down and scored again.... would you still blame Eli?
a very weak OL is a major problem to start. The DL loses way too many one on one battles as well. When you build a football team you try to stabilize both lines and go from there. The Giants have problems, big problems on both. When you have problems on both lines it trickles down to all the other positions.
Dep is there to tell us how stats mean nothing. When eli does, it's all sbout the stats. Eli has a very poor 2nd hslf(mostly because Dallas yook OBJ away). Eli played a role in this loss.
He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
Doesn't even seem bothered in his presentation. He seems resigned to these losses. 5 in a row, and now they will beat 1 or 2 doormats to pretty up their record
Seems like once the pass rush starts to get in Eli's head
It's only about Eli with you. Yes, there are some stupid people who say loss was on Eli. You revel in it so you can do the only thing you ever do: defend Eli.
He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
It's only about Eli with you. Yes, there are some stupid people who say loss was on Eli. You revel in it so you can do the only thing you ever do: defend Eli.
I cheer on everyone. I just half a clue and blame the defense for yet another pitiful performance. And guess what? I even blamed Eli for the INT!!!!!! Can you believe it?!?!?!?
Jennings drops a ball right in his gut ...yeah it may have only been a gain of a few yards but then he can't get a yard ... The drop was the difference
He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
Disappointing but not surprising.
Throwing the go ahead TD with 3:00 to go and going 3 yards isnt a big moment? LOL, this place is downright hysterical.
But you know you're just taking to the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
It doesn't have to be one player or play that lost the game. And some players that had a hand in putting us in a position to win also had a hand in the loss. Christ, why does everything always have to be so black and white and over the top with you?
I think you're definitely a smart guy and you seem to know your stuff for the most part. But what is it with always taking it this far where you alienate everybody trying to have a rational discussion (which seems to be most of this thread and the fewell thread) in the process destroying any credibility your opinions may hold.
In comment 11996270 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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To Donnell was on him lol.... He was getting smacked as he threw from this piss poor OL...
No he got hit after he threw..... mind you he couldnt step up or even get his feet set because Jerry got beat in less than a second.... he HAS to make that throw. Or so I was told... haha
He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
Disappointing but not surprising.
So leading your team on a comeback drive is coming up small now? Alrighty then.
He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
Disappointing but not surprising.
So leading your team on a comeback drive is coming up small now? Alrighty then.
Would you rather a game where Eli is 15 of 35 for 150 yards 1TD and 1 INT and the Giants win, or where Eli is 27 of 35 for 375, 4TDs, no picks and the Giants lose? I would guess that latter.
It seems some on this board only watch the games to figure out who to blame or defend based on the outcome. Some don't even seem to care about the result of the games.
Eli generally played well tonight - certainly well enough to win, but that pick on the goal line was critical and it was a piss poor throw when he had time and a clearing passing lane. Everyone except Beckham chipped in on this loss.
He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
Disappointing but not surprising.
Throwing the go ahead TD with 3:00 to go and going 3 yards isnt a big moment? LOL, this place is downright hysterical.
Keep saying, "He missed Odell." But why did he miss him ?? Pressure maybe ? He knew the pressure was coming(which it was), so he had to quickly go through his progression. If he had time, the pass would've been made
But you know you're just taking to the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
It doesn't have to be one player or play that lost the game. And some players that had a hand in putting us in a position to win also had a hand in the loss. Christ, why does everything always have to be so black and white and over the top with you?
I think you're definitely a smart guy and you seem to know your stuff for the most part. But what is it with always taking it this far where you alienate everybody trying to have a rational discussion (which seems to be most of this thread and the fewell thread) in the process destroying any credibility your opinions may hold.
Believe me, I would love to have a rational discussion about Eli here. But the other side of the spectrum fixates on 2 out of 40 throws he makes.
Guess what Peyton missed Sanders about 6 times for wide open TDs today. There isnt a QB in the league who doesnt go through a game without a few bad throws. Romo had a disgusting one tonight. But Rolle dropped it and led to a FG. Eli had 1, it was tipped for an INT.
Would you rather a game where Eli is 15 of 35 for 150 yards 1TD and 1 INT and the Giants win, or where Eli is 27 of 35 for 375, 4TDs, no picks and the Giants lose? I would guess that latter.
It seems some on this board only watch the games to figure out who to blame or defend based on the outcome. Some don't even seem to care about the result of the games.
Eli generally played well tonight - certainly well enough to win, but that pick on the goal line was critical and it was a piss poor throw when he had time and a clearing passing lane. Everyone except Beckham chipped in on this loss.
Thats just a fucking moronic question. Get out of here with that shit.
He had a good game, he led a crucial TD drive in crunch time from deep in our territory. He also missed the HR ball to Beckham (when 13 is singled up and having that type of game there's really no excuse to never look that way) and the throw to Parker that should have been an easy TD.. mistakes happen. There was definitely a momentum swing when the Parker pass got picked.. we needed points there even if it was just the FG to take a 7 pt lead.
You can say that Eli had a really solid game but made a couple of mistakes. It's actually.. rational!
between missing a WR and not seeing one. He didnt miss Beckham with a throw, he just didnt see it. It would be wonderful if he saw him, but he didnt. And to blast him for it.... well it makes no sense.
Sad thing is we're three players from being a damn good offense next
And this is why. Romo has 7 seconds to pass and we're killing the QB. Not one thread about JPP. Not one thread about our d system or performance. Yeah Eli sailed a pass with a guy on his back as he's done for 10 years. You didn't mind it in the past but now that the rest of the team isn't as good people bail. Unreal.
you're putting us all on, right? Someone said it in another thread: you're like Eli Manning's press secretary.
Another shit effort by the Giants with essentially 1 bright spot (Beckham) and your immediate reaction post-game is to make a thread saying "Not Eli's fault, guys. SEE? Not Eli's fault".
you're putting us all on, right? Someone said it in another thread: you're like Eli Manning's press secretary.
Another shit effort by the Giants with essentially 1 bright spot (Beckham) and your immediate reaction post-game is to make a thread saying "Not Eli's fault, guys. SEE? Not Eli's fault".
It's getting weird. Obsession level.
May want to check the thread Eric started. He flat out said Parker ran a flatter route than he expected. I accept your apology.
you're putting us all on, right? Someone said it in another thread: you're like Eli Manning's press secretary.
Another shit effort by the Giants with essentially 1 bright spot (Beckham) and your immediate reaction post-game is to make a thread saying "Not Eli's fault, guys. SEE? Not Eli's fault".
It's getting weird. Obsession level.
May want to check the thread Eric started. He flat out said Parker ran a flatter route than he expected. I accept your apology.
Cool. Eli saw him. He should have adjusted to where he was actually going, not where he hoped he was going.
But you know you're just taking to the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
It doesn't have to be one player or play that lost the game. And some players that had a hand in putting us in a position to win also had a hand in the loss. Christ, why does everything always have to be so black and white and over the top with you?
I think you're definitely a smart guy and you seem to know your stuff for the most part. But what is it with always taking it this far where you alienate everybody trying to have a rational discussion (which seems to be most of this thread and the fewell thread) in the process destroying any credibility your opinions may hold.
Believe me, I would love to have a rational discussion about Eli here. But the other side of the spectrum fixates on 2 out of 40 throws he makes.
Guess what Peyton missed Sanders about 6 times for wide open TDs today. There isnt a QB in the league who doesnt go through a game without a few bad throws. Romo had a disgusting one tonight. But Rolle dropped it and led to a FG. Eli had 1, it was tipped for an INT.
Well for starters, get off the game thread. Nobody is rational in that and I can't imagine it being any fun for you because you are literally in arguments the entire game on there. I think most of the responses on here have been pretty reasonable. He played well, he had one or two bad mistakes and a team around him that isn't good enough to help overcome them. Again, it's not black and white.
(I have it DVR'd, will try to get a gif up). Eli was in the pocket and had not released the ball while Parker was wide open. You're telling he couldn't have adjusted based on Parker's (supposedly wrong) route?
(I have it DVR'd, will try to get a gif up). Eli was in the pocket and had not released the ball while Parker was wide open. You're telling he couldn't have adjusted based on Parker's (supposedly wrong) route?
I watched the replay as well. He could have easily assumed Parker was going to run the route he was suppose to throw and threw it where he thought his WR was suppose to be. But that would make too much sense.
Parker cut his route flat when he was suppose to go deeper with it.
This has been confirmed by the Giants brass. Guess its still his fault.
Parker had already cut by the time the throw was made, Eli had a clear unobstructed lane and view, and the throw was well within the numbers. It's always something isn't it.
Parker cut his route flat when he was suppose to go deeper with it.
This has been confirmed by the Giants brass. Guess its still his fault.
Stop it - Eli was looking right at him. He wasn't throwing to a spot, he was looking right at him... I don't give a fuck if he was a yard or two shallow - he was wide fucking open and the QB was looking right at him.
from Manning himself: "I just threw it high...no excuses, got a guy running open, I gotta hit him."
This wasn't a comeback route where timing is critical. Parker was absolutely wide open in the middle of the field. Manning fucked up. It's okay to say it. Yes, the O-line sucked again. The defense sucked again. But in this instance, Manning fucked up and it contributed to the loss.
thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
And if Parker continues up the field he's running into the Safety
I've already told him to simmer for his/the board's own good, but the possible issue with Parker was that he ran the route flatter than expected. Meaning, to put it more simply, he should have kept moving back more, more on a diagonal than as straight across.
At the point of the picture, if that's supposed to be Eli's last view before release, Parker could do either.
RE: And if Parker continues up the field he's running into the Safety
No he isnt. He has a good 7-10 yards of freedom before the safety gets involved. Believe what you want...
But I am saying its POSSIBLE for Eli to think he would be deeper. Look at his left foot... its already planted by the time Parker gets opened, which shows that he IS throwing to a spot.
thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
when fans are attempting to break down film or stills. Do we really even know what we are looking at?
I played the position for 10 years.... I am just trying to give a perspective of what I see. Most of these posters think its really as easy as playing Madden.
thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
I've already told him to simmer for his/the board's own good, but the possible issue with Parker was that he ran the route flatter than expected. Meaning, to put it more simply, he should have kept moving back more, more on a diagonal than as straight across.
At the point of the picture, if that's supposed to be Eli's last view before release, Parker could do either.
He ran diagonally, how much more diagonally he is mean to run he cut in at 13 yard line and the ball went over his head when he was at the 8. It's just a shit throw.
RE: RE: Uh, that picture doesn't contradict what dep is claiming.
I've already told him to simmer for his/the board's own good, but the possible issue with Parker was that he ran the route flatter than expected. Meaning, to put it more simply, he should have kept moving back more, more on a diagonal than as straight across.
At the point of the picture, if that's supposed to be Eli's last view before release, Parker could do either.
He ran diagonally, how much more diagonally he is mean to run he cut in at 13 yard line and the ball went over his head when he was at the 8. It's just a shit throw.
Because he obviously altered his route when the ball was thrown. They said he ran a flat route. So are Eli and Coughlin lying. He ran a cross where Eli may have expected a skinny post. There is a huge, huge differnce.
RE: RE: Sad thing is we're three players from being a damn good offense next
Three players... 2 interior linemen and 1 other WR that takes the pressure off Beckham and Cruz.
But 8 players away from a respectable defense.
Probably more like 5. Secondary will be fine with a healthy DRC, Prince, Bowman, and McBride. Hopefully, Rolle comes back at a reduced price. A key is Cooper Taylor and another safety (Berhe?) kicking Demps off the roster. Hankins is fine at one DT. We'll probably move on from Jenkins and give Bromley more time next year.
Kennard's fine at one LB. But the rest is dreck. Beason would help, but can he stay healthy? So figure, at least 2 or 3 LB's and 2 linemen.
thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Parker has already made his cut. He is two steps into his crossing pattern. He is wide open and Eli is looking right at him. Even if Eli expects him deeper, the angle to that spot would be different (more behind Parker)and not where it passed over his head.
thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
Not if he crosses at a 45 degree angle or so, rather than the 15 degree angle.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
Parker had clearly made his cut. Eli likely saw the LBs in the flat (you can see Carter starting to drop into coverage) and adjusted his throw high on purpose, but this idea that he missed Parker because "he didn't have time to adjust" to what was a wide open player in the middle of the field is nonsense.
Parker had clearly made his cut. Eli likely saw the LBs in the flat (you can see Carter starting to drop into coverage) and adjusted his throw high on purpose, but this idea that he missed Parker because "he didn't have time to adjust" to what was a wide open player in the middle of the field is nonsense.
And again.... He has a plit second to make his decision. If Parker is suppose to run up the field, you can see why he threw it high. But if he cut it flat (like both Coughlin and Eli suggested) thats why you got the high throw.
And AGAIN, the INT was probably Eli's fault. But trying to explain how being off by 1-2 yards to you people is like banging your head off the wall because you refuse to listen.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
You're right I don't know what is going on in Eli's head, but you argue like you do, so everyone else is wrong.
I played the position. Did you? My guess is no. Whats funny is that I am not even blaming Parker for this, but found it funny he ran his route short.
Again, if a certain route is called, the QB expects him to be there. Now what happened on the INT, I DONT KNOW...... but if a skinny post was called... I can understand why the throw was high. If it was a crossing route, then its a 1,000% on Eli. No questions asked.
thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
Not if he crosses at a 45 degree angle or so, rather than the 15 degree angle.
Then the ball is unlikely to placed at the middle of the field for the catch.
It went right over his head, if he's running at 45 degrees he's not got time to get to the middle of the field. The ball went over his head at pretty much the middle of the field just as he gets there. If it's for aimed another 3 yards or 4 yards up the field is Parker even going to be there when it arrives?
Those stats plus the fact that he has ONE legit receiver
I played the position. Did you? My guess is no. Whats funny is that I am not even blaming Parker for this, but found it funny he ran his route short.
Again, if a certain route is called, the QB expects him to be there. Now what happened on the INT, I DONT KNOW...... but if a skinny post was called... I can understand why the throw was high. If it was a crossing route, then its a 1,000% on Eli. No questions asked.
Hahahaha. Played the position. Hahahaha.
Hey guys, I played shooting guard. Let me critique MJ!! I'm qualified.
Parker had clearly made his cut. Eli likely saw the LBs in the flat (you can see Carter starting to drop into coverage) and adjusted his throw high on purpose, but this idea that he missed Parker because "he didn't have time to adjust" to what was a wide open player in the middle of the field is nonsense.
At that point a simple lob would have been a completion.
thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
Not if he crosses at a 45 degree angle or so, rather than the 15 degree angle.
Then the ball is unlikely to placed at the middle of the field for the catch.
It went right over his head, if he's running at 45 degrees he's not got time to get to the middle of the field. The ball went over his head at pretty much the middle of the field just as he gets there. If it's for aimed another 3 yards or 4 yards up the field is Parker even going to be there when it arrives?
I was trying to write that for 10 minutes - the angle is off for a deeper pattern.
Doesn't matter, sad that he played a really good game, but missed a wide open guy.
the Giants need a TE. Donnell is JAG. Someone like a Heath Miller - not Gronk but just a solid presence - has made the Steelers such a better team and has been a boon for Ben.
thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
Not if he crosses at a 45 degree angle or so, rather than the 15 degree angle.
Then the ball is unlikely to placed at the middle of the field for the catch.
It went right over his head, if he's running at 45 degrees he's not got time to get to the middle of the field. The ball went over his head at pretty much the middle of the field just as he gets there. If it's for aimed another 3 yards or 4 yards up the field is Parker even going to be there when it arrives?
I don't think it's meant to be that far up the field... Maybe another yard or so. In Eli's defense, he was pretty good all night. No real WTF throws, so maybe it was Parker's fault.
It's of no consequence though, because I think our shitass defense would have let up as many points as Dallas needed to win the game.
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I don't think it's meant to be that far up the field... Maybe another yard or so. In Eli's defense, he was pretty good all night. No real WTF throws, so maybe it was Parker's fault.
It's of no consequence though, because I think our shitass defense would have let up as many points as Dallas needed to win the game.
As high as that ball was, another yard or two is still over thrown.
Doesn't matter, 28-24 with 3:00 to go. Even with the missed pass, they should have won.
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I don't think it's meant to be that far up the field... Maybe another yard or so. In Eli's defense, he was pretty good all night. No real WTF throws, so maybe it was Parker's fault.
It's of no consequence though, because I think our shitass defense would have let up as many points as Dallas needed to win the game.
As high as that ball was, another yard or two is still over thrown.
Doesn't matter, 28-24 with 3:00 to go. Even with the missed pass, they should have won.
You are probably right, I dont see one absolving Eli of the INT. Theres a 999% chance it was Elis fault. I would have just been curious to see what would have happened if Parker did run the route he was suppose to. Maybe its still tipped for an INT. Maybe he completely overthrows him somehow.
what I'd like is in the last few years of Eli's career here
can we get him 3 WR's who he can play with and establish rapport with? His number 3 WR was building huts last year for God's sake.
That's why I'd give Washington some time as the number 3. Not only is he taller and might be more apt to catch a high throw, but he's also younger and might actually be a part of the future of this team.
Parker will never be on this team as a contributor when it is successful. It's time to find the guys who will be.
last night. For all the arguing on the pick, the Giants retook the lead. Mainly due to the play of Eli Manning and his leading of a 93 yard TD drive.
Seems wierd that this play garners so much attention. It was a shit throw that was high. Eli is the QB, he threw it, it is on him.
He also made countless other big boy throws, under pressure, to convert many third and longs. This was also true on the 93 yard drive. If the Giants had any D that would have been a game winning drive.
Seems like the wrong game to focus so much on his one mistake.
Alsl, Parker is not am NFL starter. I am sure he is giving his all but he would not get burn on a contender.
was the biggest one of the game. We knew the defense was suspect but it's another instance where he has been disappointing. We win that game if the pick doesn't happen that's the truth.
was the biggest one of the game. We knew the defense was suspect but it's another instance where he has been disappointing. We win that game if the pick doesn't happen that's the truth.
it is impossible to know if that is true. The Giants took the lead.
since the Kennedy assassination. Really guys, bad play and we lost. Probably on Eli, probably some on Parker too. We're keeping Eli. Let's find some guys who can play with him for next year.
Meanwhile the Beckham-Sistine Chapel photoshop is my new wallpaper.
was the biggest one of the game. We knew the defense was suspect but it's another instance where he has been disappointing. We win that game if the pick doesn't happen that's the truth.
Your kidding me right? The two defensive plays that involved a 4 man straight up rush that resulted in Romo having 8 fucking seconds to throw the ball on their go ahead TD don't count or something?
Holy shit he took the team right down the field for the go ahead score next series.
but he played a good game. I have no complaints about him. And did no one notice how Smith was holding JPP on one of those 2 7 second plays? Pulled him down by the jersey and had another handful of it was soon as he got up. I was shocked the guys in the booth didn't say anything when they played the isolation back.
Some dim bulbs look at where the player was and if the ball isn't there then it must be a bad throw.
No factoring in if the WR should have read it to be more open if he ran further North (where the EZ is BTW!) instead of so shallow. Not only is that where you can, you know, score a TD, but there weren't any defenders there.
And the throw may have been off a little too. Who knows? Who gives a flying rat's balls either?
Not sure it's been mentioned, but can we talk about how shitty of a jump that was by Parker, especially for an NFL wide receiver? What did he get, maybe 3 inches of leap?
This is on them and the lousy special teams coverage and punt teams
And missing a wide-open Beckham deep.
Doesn't mean the "it's all Eli fault" is a fair, reasonable response either?
Of course, he'll take the fucking blame because that's what he does. But I'm so sick of this defense and their passive ass shit.
At least, fucking blitz everyone... Maybe they fuck up and fumble..
To sit back like that is very un Giants-like.
And missing a wide-open Beckham deep.
There were plays there... Bad throw all Eli the miss on Beckham was pressure from left, that was just before Snyder was pulled.
Our OL sucks.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
The probnlem was he didnt see the defender fall, and then forced to his right, and by the time he saw Beckham a guy was charging at him so he couldnt step up.
Please explain why its a 14 point turnaround? Because the defense let the mgo right dow the field and score? What if he did hit Parker for the score, and Dallas went right down and scored again.... would you still blame Eli?
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
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He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
Disappointing but not surprising.
I cheer on everyone. I just half a clue and blame the defense for yet another pitiful performance. And guess what? I even blamed Eli for the INT!!!!!! Can you believe it?!?!?!?
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He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
Disappointing but not surprising.
Throwing the go ahead TD with 3:00 to go and going 3 yards isnt a big moment? LOL, this place is downright hysterical.
It doesn't have to be one player or play that lost the game. And some players that had a hand in putting us in a position to win also had a hand in the loss. Christ, why does everything always have to be so black and white and over the top with you?
I think you're definitely a smart guy and you seem to know your stuff for the most part. But what is it with always taking it this far where you alienate everybody trying to have a rational discussion (which seems to be most of this thread and the fewell thread) in the process destroying any credibility your opinions may hold.
No he got hit after he threw..... mind you he couldnt step up or even get his feet set because Jerry got beat in less than a second.... he HAS to make that throw. Or so I was told... haha
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He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
Disappointing but not surprising.
So leading your team on a comeback drive is coming up small now? Alrighty then.
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He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
Disappointing but not surprising.
So leading your team on a comeback drive is coming up small now? Alrighty then.
I said some. Not all.
It seems some on this board only watch the games to figure out who to blame or defend based on the outcome. Some don't even seem to care about the result of the games.
Eli generally played well tonight - certainly well enough to win, but that pick on the goal line was critical and it was a piss poor throw when he had time and a clearing passing lane. Everyone except Beckham chipped in on this loss.
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He played well, he had a few mistakes but on the whole was very sharp. A good game. But you cannot be taken seriously at this point. Maybe you're a few drinks deep by this time in the night but I think you're losing your mind.
You don't have much credibility at this point.
And people who blame Eli for the loss do have credibility? Interesting.
72.5% with 340 yards. Wherez Nazzib?
Didn't you bash QB numbers endlessly in the past because they didn't show Eli in a favorable light. Instead it was all about his clutchness in big moments. Now when he's got good numbers but came up small in some big moments, you're all about the gaudy numbers.
Disappointing but not surprising.
Throwing the go ahead TD with 3:00 to go and going 3 yards isnt a big moment? LOL, this place is downright hysterical.
Again, I said some, not all.
It doesn't have to be one player or play that lost the game. And some players that had a hand in putting us in a position to win also had a hand in the loss. Christ, why does everything always have to be so black and white and over the top with you?
I think you're definitely a smart guy and you seem to know your stuff for the most part. But what is it with always taking it this far where you alienate everybody trying to have a rational discussion (which seems to be most of this thread and the fewell thread) in the process destroying any credibility your opinions may hold.
Believe me, I would love to have a rational discussion about Eli here. But the other side of the spectrum fixates on 2 out of 40 throws he makes.
Guess what Peyton missed Sanders about 6 times for wide open TDs today. There isnt a QB in the league who doesnt go through a game without a few bad throws. Romo had a disgusting one tonight. But Rolle dropped it and led to a FG. Eli had 1, it was tipped for an INT.
It seems some on this board only watch the games to figure out who to blame or defend based on the outcome. Some don't even seem to care about the result of the games.
Eli generally played well tonight - certainly well enough to win, but that pick on the goal line was critical and it was a piss poor throw when he had time and a clearing passing lane. Everyone except Beckham chipped in on this loss.
Thats just a fucking moronic question. Get out of here with that shit.
You can say that Eli had a really solid game but made a couple of mistakes. It's actually.. rational!
But I guess that sort of thing is frowned upon.
Three players... 2 interior linemen and 1 other WR that takes the pressure off Beckham and Cruz.
This has been confirmed by the Giants brass. Guess its still his fault.
Three players... 2 interior linemen and 1 other WR that takes the pressure off Beckham and Cruz.
But 8 players away from a respectable defense.
Defense let Dez run wide open for a td ... Let a scrub like Beasley score a long td virtually untouched
Poor throw by Eli ... Poor punts and coverage ..
OBJ is one of the only ones who doesn't get any blame .
Someone posted it in the post game thread.
Another shit effort by the Giants with essentially 1 bright spot (Beckham) and your immediate reaction post-game is to make a thread saying "Not Eli's fault, guys. SEE? Not Eli's fault".
It's getting weird. Obsession level.
Another shit effort by the Giants with essentially 1 bright spot (Beckham) and your immediate reaction post-game is to make a thread saying "Not Eli's fault, guys. SEE? Not Eli's fault".
It's getting weird. Obsession level.
May want to check the thread Eric started. He flat out said Parker ran a flatter route than he expected. I accept your apology.
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you're putting us all on, right? Someone said it in another thread: you're like Eli Manning's press secretary.
Another shit effort by the Giants with essentially 1 bright spot (Beckham) and your immediate reaction post-game is to make a thread saying "Not Eli's fault, guys. SEE? Not Eli's fault".
It's getting weird. Obsession level.
May want to check the thread Eric started. He flat out said Parker ran a flatter route than he expected. I accept your apology.
Cool. Eli saw him. He should have adjusted to where he was actually going, not where he hoped he was going.
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But you know you're just taking to the complete opposite end of the spectrum.
It doesn't have to be one player or play that lost the game. And some players that had a hand in putting us in a position to win also had a hand in the loss. Christ, why does everything always have to be so black and white and over the top with you?
I think you're definitely a smart guy and you seem to know your stuff for the most part. But what is it with always taking it this far where you alienate everybody trying to have a rational discussion (which seems to be most of this thread and the fewell thread) in the process destroying any credibility your opinions may hold.
Believe me, I would love to have a rational discussion about Eli here. But the other side of the spectrum fixates on 2 out of 40 throws he makes.
Guess what Peyton missed Sanders about 6 times for wide open TDs today. There isnt a QB in the league who doesnt go through a game without a few bad throws. Romo had a disgusting one tonight. But Rolle dropped it and led to a FG. Eli had 1, it was tipped for an INT.
Well for starters, get off the game thread. Nobody is rational in that and I can't imagine it being any fun for you because you are literally in arguments the entire game on there. I think most of the responses on here have been pretty reasonable. He played well, he had one or two bad mistakes and a team around him that isn't good enough to help overcome them. Again, it's not black and white.
This has been confirmed by the Giants brass. Guess its still his fault.
Yup. This loss is on the Defense. Flacid dick Fewell fucks us again.
I watched the replay as well. He could have easily assumed Parker was going to run the route he was suppose to throw and threw it where he thought his WR was suppose to be. But that would make too much sense.
You should probably find a hobby and try to get your mind off this Eli obsession you have. It is becoming really fucking weird.
You should probably find a hobby and try to get your mind off this Eli obsession you have. It is becoming really fucking weird.
Got anymore asinine or moronic questions you want to ask?
This has been confirmed by the Giants brass. Guess its still his fault.
Parker had already cut by the time the throw was made, Eli had a clear unobstructed lane and view, and the throw was well within the numbers. It's always something isn't it.
This has been confirmed by the Giants brass. Guess its still his fault.
Stop it - Eli was looking right at him. He wasn't throwing to a spot, he was looking right at him... I don't give a fuck if he was a yard or two shallow - he was wide fucking open and the QB was looking right at him.
This wasn't a comeback route where timing is critical. Parker was absolutely wide open in the middle of the field. Manning fucked up. It's okay to say it. Yes, the O-line sucked again. The defense sucked again. But in this instance, Manning fucked up and it contributed to the loss.
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
At the point of the picture, if that's supposed to be Eli's last view before release, Parker could do either.
No he isnt. He has a good 7-10 yards of freedom before the safety gets involved. Believe what you want...
But I am saying its POSSIBLE for Eli to think he would be deeper. Look at his left foot... its already planted by the time Parker gets opened, which shows that he IS throwing to a spot.
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
I played the position for 10 years.... I am just trying to give a perspective of what I see. Most of these posters think its really as easy as playing Madden.
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thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
At the point of the picture, if that's supposed to be Eli's last view before release, Parker could do either.
He ran diagonally, how much more diagonally he is mean to run he cut in at 13 yard line and the ball went over his head when he was at the 8. It's just a shit throw.
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I've already told him to simmer for his/the board's own good, but the possible issue with Parker was that he ran the route flatter than expected. Meaning, to put it more simply, he should have kept moving back more, more on a diagonal than as straight across.
At the point of the picture, if that's supposed to be Eli's last view before release, Parker could do either.
He ran diagonally, how much more diagonally he is mean to run he cut in at 13 yard line and the ball went over his head when he was at the 8. It's just a shit throw.
Because he obviously altered his route when the ball was thrown. They said he ran a flat route. So are Eli and Coughlin lying. He ran a cross where Eli may have expected a skinny post. There is a huge, huge differnce.
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Three players... 2 interior linemen and 1 other WR that takes the pressure off Beckham and Cruz.
But 8 players away from a respectable defense.
Probably more like 5. Secondary will be fine with a healthy DRC, Prince, Bowman, and McBride. Hopefully, Rolle comes back at a reduced price. A key is Cooper Taylor and another safety (Berhe?) kicking Demps off the roster. Hankins is fine at one DT. We'll probably move on from Jenkins and give Bromley more time next year.
Kennard's fine at one LB. But the rest is dreck. Beason would help, but can he stay healthy? So figure, at least 2 or 3 LB's and 2 linemen.
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thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Parker has already made his cut. He is two steps into his crossing pattern. He is wide open and Eli is looking right at him. Even if Eli expects him deeper, the angle to that spot would be different (more behind Parker)and not where it passed over his head.
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thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
Hey the stalker is back. Shocking his first post is directed at me.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
At what level did you play QB?
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thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
Not if he crosses at a 45 degree angle or so, rather than the 15 degree angle.
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Lmao.
Hey the stalker is back. Shocking his first post is directed at me.
You continue to amuse the masses around here. Sorry. But you're a joke. When you continue your tirade, I'll continue to comment.
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who never played the position.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
At what level did you play QB?
Patriot League.
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I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
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who never played the position.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
At what level did you play QB?
Lmao. He didn't. He was a waterboy
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Lmao.
Hey the stalker is back. Shocking his first post is directed at me.
You continue to amuse the masses around here. Sorry. But you're a joke. When you continue your tirade, I'll continue to comment.
You might be the first person to get a PFA on a football forum. You are very creepy dude.
And again.... He has a plit second to make his decision. If Parker is suppose to run up the field, you can see why he threw it high. But if he cut it flat (like both Coughlin and Eli suggested) thats why you got the high throw.
And AGAIN, the INT was probably Eli's fault. But trying to explain how being off by 1-2 yards to you people is like banging your head off the wall because you refuse to listen.
I am just trying to explain what may have happened. I even admit that it was still probably Eli's fault. But you two have NO CLUE whats going on through a QBs head. He has a split second to make a decision. If the play called for a skinny post for Parker to run, than its on Parker. Simple. I dont know what the play call was. I dont know what Eli thoguht he saw.
I am just trying to explain the situation from a QBs perspective.
You're right I don't know what is going on in Eli's head, but you argue like you do, so everyone else is wrong.
"its already planted by the time Parker gets opened"
"his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut"
is patently false. The video/photo evidence directly contradicts it.
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Again, if a certain route is called, the QB expects him to be there. Now what happened on the INT, I DONT KNOW...... but if a skinny post was called... I can understand why the throw was high. If it was a crossing route, then its a 1,000% on Eli. No questions asked.
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thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
Not if he crosses at a 45 degree angle or so, rather than the 15 degree angle.
Then the ball is unlikely to placed at the middle of the field for the catch.
It went right over his head, if he's running at 45 degrees he's not got time to get to the middle of the field. The ball went over his head at pretty much the middle of the field just as he gets there. If it's for aimed another 3 yards or 4 yards up the field is Parker even going to be there when it arrives?
Ridiculous that Eli is being blamed
"its already planted by the time Parker gets opened"
"his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut"
is patently false. The video/photo evidence directly contradicts it. Link - ( New Window )
I am going off the 12:33 picture.
Again, if a certain route is called, the QB expects him to be there. Now what happened on the INT, I DONT KNOW...... but if a skinny post was called... I can understand why the throw was high. If it was a crossing route, then its a 1,000% on Eli. No questions asked.
Hahahaha. Played the position. Hahahaha.
Hey guys, I played shooting guard. Let me critique MJ!! I'm qualified.
At that point a simple lob would have been a completion.
Do you do this to your 14 year old girlfriend? Its really creepy.
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thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
Not if he crosses at a 45 degree angle or so, rather than the 15 degree angle.
Then the ball is unlikely to placed at the middle of the field for the catch.
It went right over his head, if he's running at 45 degrees he's not got time to get to the middle of the field. The ball went over his head at pretty much the middle of the field just as he gets there. If it's for aimed another 3 yards or 4 yards up the field is Parker even going to be there when it arrives?
I was trying to write that for 10 minutes - the angle is off for a deeper pattern.
Doesn't matter, sad that he played a really good game, but missed a wide open guy.
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Haha. What an assclown.
Do you do this to your 14 year old girlfriend? Its really creepy.
The fact that I didn't even call you out but you assume this is about you should tell you that you need to reevaluate your life.
You should probably find a hobby and try to get your mind off this Eli obsession you have. It is becoming really fucking weird.
Pretty much. Lmao.
Yet another position that needs upgrading.
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thanks for the picture. Now I am going to try and explain something to people who never played the position....
You see Eli in his thrwoing motion? Its literally IMPOSSIBLE to adjust how you are throwing the ball once you start the throw. Sure you can hold it bakc, or possibly pump, but guess what happens then? The INT you saw last week.
When Eli decided to start his throw, Parker had just cut or was about too..... so he is throwing it to a spot, so if Parker flattens it out, thats a reason why the throw was high. You are talking MILISECONDS to make the decision where you are throwing.
The picture actually shows that if Parker did run it flat, that its very realistic that Eli was expecting him to be deeper which caused a higher ball.
Thanks for the picture.
You can not be that dense. Parker has already made his cut, Eli sees him, he was NOT throwing to a spot. He over threw the pass. Why would Eli throw the ball to the two safeties in the endzone - see those two guys in white.
Because his foot is planted and his arm is in the throwing motion when Parker makes his cut. If he sees the open field and expects Parker to be deeper thats how he is going to throw it.
Seriously. Look at his left foot and his throwing motion. It had already STARTED before Parker broke. Seriously. I am not making this shit up. Now it could have been a bad throw, but IF IF IF IF Parker ran flatter than Eli expected, thats why it was higher than it was suppose to be. If Parker is just 1-2 yards deeper, its probably a TD.
Actually no. Parker has started his cut at the 13 yard line before Eli cocks the ball. the ball goes sailing over his head at the 8 yard line. That's a hell of a lot of depth he'd need to put on the cross to get to the middle of the field at say the 5.
Not if he crosses at a 45 degree angle or so, rather than the 15 degree angle.
Then the ball is unlikely to placed at the middle of the field for the catch.
It went right over his head, if he's running at 45 degrees he's not got time to get to the middle of the field. The ball went over his head at pretty much the middle of the field just as he gets there. If it's for aimed another 3 yards or 4 yards up the field is Parker even going to be there when it arrives?
I don't think it's meant to be that far up the field... Maybe another yard or so. In Eli's defense, he was pretty good all night. No real WTF throws, so maybe it was Parker's fault.
It's of no consequence though, because I think our shitass defense would have let up as many points as Dallas needed to win the game.
What's gert?
I figured a YMCA QB like yourself is qualified enough to talk QB. LMAO. Hahahahahaha. What a joke.
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I don't think it's meant to be that far up the field... Maybe another yard or so. In Eli's defense, he was pretty good all night. No real WTF throws, so maybe it was Parker's fault.
It's of no consequence though, because I think our shitass defense would have let up as many points as Dallas needed to win the game.
As high as that ball was, another yard or two is still over thrown.
Doesn't matter, 28-24 with 3:00 to go. Even with the missed pass, they should have won.
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I don't think it's meant to be that far up the field... Maybe another yard or so. In Eli's defense, he was pretty good all night. No real WTF throws, so maybe it was Parker's fault.
It's of no consequence though, because I think our shitass defense would have let up as many points as Dallas needed to win the game.
As high as that ball was, another yard or two is still over thrown.
Doesn't matter, 28-24 with 3:00 to go. Even with the missed pass, they should have won.
You are probably right, I dont see one absolving Eli of the INT. Theres a 999% chance it was Elis fault. I would have just been curious to see what would have happened if Parker did run the route he was suppose to. Maybe its still tipped for an INT. Maybe he completely overthrows him somehow.
That's why I'd give Washington some time as the number 3. Not only is he taller and might be more apt to catch a high throw, but he's also younger and might actually be a part of the future of this team.
Parker will never be on this team as a contributor when it is successful. It's time to find the guys who will be.
Seems wierd that this play garners so much attention. It was a shit throw that was high. Eli is the QB, he threw it, it is on him.
He also made countless other big boy throws, under pressure, to convert many third and longs. This was also true on the 93 yard drive. If the Giants had any D that would have been a game winning drive.
Seems like the wrong game to focus so much on his one mistake.
Alsl, Parker is not am NFL starter. I am sure he is giving his all but he would not get burn on a contender.
it is impossible to know if that is true. The Giants took the lead.
Eli's throw would have been even worse.
Meanwhile the Beckham-Sistine Chapel photoshop is my new wallpaper.
Your kidding me right? The two defensive plays that involved a 4 man straight up rush that resulted in Romo having 8 fucking seconds to throw the ball on their go ahead TD don't count or something?
Holy shit he took the team right down the field for the go ahead score next series.
lmao
Why do the coaches insist on running that bum Parker out there time and time again?
Free He Double Trouble!!!
Some dim bulbs look at where the player was and if the ball isn't there then it must be a bad throw.
No factoring in if the WR should have read it to be more open if he ran further North (where the EZ is BTW!) instead of so shallow. Not only is that where you can, you know, score a TD, but there weren't any defenders there.
And the throw may have been off a little too. Who knows? Who gives a flying rat's balls either?