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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2014 12:20 am
Connor Hughes & #8207;@Connor_J_Hughes 7m7 minutes ago

Manning says Preston Parker was a little "flatter" than he anticipated on INT. "I threw it high"
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u can see  
area junc : 11/24/2014 1:23 pm : link
what eli's talking about with the flat route

sure its an easy throw and he f#cked up the game not making it. but why doesn't parker threaten the end zone more? the middle's wide open with the Safeties split. get north/south and UP the seam, easy TD, which is i'm sure what he's coached to do
There's no such thing...  
Ryan : 11/24/2014 1:25 pm : link
..as a post route that targets the opposite corner of the end zone.
I think alot of people feel like  
#10* : 11/24/2014 1:55 pm : link
an amateur should be able to make that throw so no excuses for Eli there. It seems that he consistently throws behind receivers and he consistently throws high. His balls sail on him. And the other ball that should have been thrown to Odell for a Td was not thrown at all.

Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.

RE: I think alot of people feel like  
drkenneth : 11/24/2014 1:57 pm : link
In comment 11998251 #10* said:
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an amateur should be able to make that throw so no excuses for Eli there. It seems that he consistently throws behind receivers and he consistently throws high. His balls sail on him. And the other ball that should have been thrown to Odell for a Td was not thrown at all.

Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.


You can't be serious. You realize he completed 72.5% of his passes?
looking at it without going into all the peripherals you say its on  
Dinger : 11/24/2014 1:58 pm : link
Eli. But bigger picture is PP is probably 4th string WR at best. He got one hand up, had about one inch vertical leap and acted like he wasn't expecting a throw. If Eli leads him and throws it lower its blocked by the D line. PP needs to know whats going on as well. He has to adjust as well.

Make it Eli's fault. If they score there there is still time for Dallas to win and the defense couldn't stop a thing.
RE: I think alot of people feel like  
montanagiant : 11/24/2014 1:59 pm : link
In comment 11998251 #10* said:
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an amateur should be able to make that throw so no excuses for Eli there. It seems that he consistently throws behind receivers and he consistently throws high. His balls sail on him. And the other ball that should have been thrown to Odell for a Td was not thrown at all.

Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.

Holy shit..you have to be kidding me..This has to be a sarcastic post......right?
Wow  
Phil from WNY : 11/24/2014 2:01 pm : link
A marginal NFL player runs a bad route and it's time to get rid of Eli. Eli never blames anyone yet he mildly alluded to Parker running a "flattish route" - and you guys miss it. For "Eli speak" that's the equivalent of shouting it from a loud speaker.

If Parker takes that route a shade more upfield, it's six points. So who do you think fucked up? A marginal NFL player or Eli?
It's  
dorgan : 11/24/2014 2:12 pm : link
fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.

It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.

Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.

Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.

RE: It's  
Randy in CT : 11/24/2014 2:14 pm : link
In comment 11998325 dorgan said:
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fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.

It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.

Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.

Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
Thank you. diable and xman should go fuck themselves.
RE: RE: It's  
dorgan : 11/24/2014 2:16 pm : link
In comment 11998336 Randy in CT said:
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In comment 11998325 dorgan said:


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fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.

It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.

Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.

Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.


Thank you. diable and xman should go fuck themselves.


Well, I don't know who they are, but I like the spirit.

agree with dorgan  
JonC : 11/24/2014 2:18 pm : link
Parker repeatedly makes mistakes on a weekly basis, this was another, compounded by tipping the pass.

Parker, Hosley, Demps, Stevie, and the edge defenders in the front seven are consistently mistake-prone.
Dorgan your way off mark here with your fancy 'football talk' and your  
Dinger : 11/24/2014 2:19 pm : link
sound reasoning. Eli's lack of Jedi mind trick usage and poor ability to put some zip on the old hamhock caused the loss.

Everyone knows Eli is a poor study and couldn't complete a sentence let alone a pass.

Nassib to Parker in '15!
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yankees78 : 11/24/2014 2:22 pm : link
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It's
dorgan : 2:12 pm : link : reply
fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.

It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.

Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.

Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.


I loves you
Can we highlight dorgans comments at the top of the forum?  
JOrthman : 11/24/2014 2:37 pm : link
.
No.  
Ryan : 11/24/2014 2:40 pm : link
Doomster just put on fresh black eyeliner and ironed and sprayed his Vlad. Can't mess up that low.
dorgan  
diable : 11/24/2014 2:45 pm : link
That pure fabrication on your part.

You have a wild imagination.
RE: dorgan  
dorgan : 11/24/2014 2:50 pm : link
In comment 11998432 diable said:
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You have a wild imagination.


Thanks. I can sing, too.
dorgan  
diable : 11/24/2014 3:04 pm : link
Just cause you think you can sing doesn't mean you can.

There no excuse for that throw.
Aw, Nov 2014!!!!  
Randy in CT : 11/24/2014 3:18 pm : link
Wee lamb!!! So cute!!
RE: dorgan  
Section331 : 11/24/2014 3:26 pm : link
In comment 11998432 diable said:
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That pure fabrication on your part.

You have a wild imagination.


Says the guy who plays Madden in his mother's basement wearing thighty whities about the guy who's actually coached.
The overanalyzation of this play is ridiculous.  
Shockeyisthebest80 : 11/24/2014 3:30 pm : link
Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.
RE: The overanalyzation of this play is ridiculous.  
Riggies : 11/24/2014 3:52 pm : link
In comment 11998624 Shockeyisthebest80 said:
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Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.


Because the INT changed the momentum of the game permanently. The DL was so deflated after it, that they didn't have the heart to get close enough to even see Romo without squinting on the last Dallas drive.

(Ignore that the Giants came back to take the lead after it and that the defense bent over after huge positive plays too.)
RE: RE: The overanalyzation of this play is ridiculous.  
dep026 : 11/24/2014 3:54 pm : link
In comment 11998716 Riggies said:
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In comment 11998624 Shockeyisthebest80 said:


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Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.



Because the INT changed the momentum of the game permanently. The DL was so deflated after it, that they didn't have the heart to get close enough to even see Romo without squinting on the last Dallas drive.

(Ignore that the Giants came back to take the lead after it and that the defense bent over after huge positive plays too.)


Haha.
RE: looking at it without going into all the peripherals you say its on  
giantgiantfan : 11/24/2014 5:43 pm : link
In comment 11998267 Dinger said:
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Eli. But bigger picture is PP is probably 4th string WR at best. He got one hand up, had about one inch vertical leap and acted like he wasn't expecting a throw. If Eli leads him and throws it lower its blocked by the D line. PP needs to know whats going on as well. He has to adjust as well.

Make it Eli's fault. If they score there there is still time for Dallas to win and the defense couldn't stop a thing.


If it's blocked by the d line we still kick a field goal.
The reason why this is magnified is our  
giantgiantfan : 11/24/2014 5:44 pm : link
defense isn't good enough to overcome mistakes by our offense.
RE: It's  
damdevs : 11/24/2014 5:59 pm : link
In comment 11998325 dorgan said:
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fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.

It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.

Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.

Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.

Easily the best and most common sense post I've read all day.
RE: RE: RE: The overanalyzation of this play is ridiculous.  
damdevs : 11/24/2014 6:03 pm : link
In comment 11998722 dep026 said:
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In comment 11998716 Riggies said:


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In comment 11998624 Shockeyisthebest80 said:


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Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.



Because the INT changed the momentum of the game permanently. The DL was so deflated after it, that they didn't have the heart to get close enough to even see Romo without squinting on the last Dallas drive.

(Ignore that the Giants came back to take the lead after it and that the defense bent over after huge positive plays too.)



Haha.

Dep026...that was the funniest shit I've read all day!!! At this point if you can't laugh about this shit you're in need of help.
You can't say if Eli threw it lower we win and that is the game  
PatersonPlank : 11/24/2014 6:10 pm : link
because then you need to say if Eli missed this, or if Eli missed that pass, we lose. The guy hit 73% of his throws, what about all those? If he throws for 55% we lose by 20. You can't pick one play, you need to look at the whole game and bode of work. The guy played a very good game:

73% completions, 340 yds, 3 TDS, 1 Int., 112 QBR. Thats a very good stat line
If it's one play it's one play  
#10* : 11/24/2014 6:58 pm : link
BUT we're not talking about ONE play. We're talking about Eli's accuracy through the years. He's always thrown behind or above his receivers. Talk about ELi's percentage in this game all you want but most of them went to Odell who was making crazy catches. Plax did well here because of his catch radius. Yes Eli was off on most of those throws too. With receivers that have a smaller catch radius you see tipped balls and Int's. Which is why smaller receivers don't do well with Eli.

There's alot of plays you don't see where if Eli hits the guy in stride it's a TD instead they come back for the ball and get tackled. That play turns from a td to a 1st and 10 on the 5 or 10 yard line which until last nights game turned into 3 points instead of 7.

For once and for all let's get one thing straight. WE DIDN'T WIN 2 SB'S because of ELI. He helped but he wasn't the reason. That's like saying Seattle won the SB because of Russell Wilson. No they won because of the Legion of Boom. We won two SB's off of our DEFENSE. Don't let the MVP award fool you. Whether we drafted Rivers or Ben those SB's would most likely still be there imo. I just don't think his cap number is any longer a reflection of his productivity. Does anyone feel like he's playing better football than he was two years ago. I can't really see that he has improved his game much over the years but his contract has blossomed and continues to get better with age.
RE: RE: It's  
Zebra3 : 11/24/2014 7:03 pm : link
In comment 11999005 damdevs said:
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In comment 11998325 dorgan said:


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fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.

It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.

Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.

Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.



Easily the best and most common sense post I've read all day.

Amen Dorgan gets it. This ^^^^
Dorgan  
crick78 : 11/24/2014 7:41 pm : link
for the W
Dorgan!  
AnishPatel : 11/24/2014 7:53 pm : link
Dorgan! Dorgan!

It's more fun to blame Eli for some though.
Dorgan  
crick78 : 11/24/2014 8:05 pm : link
Serious question.

What explanation do you have for those who say "It doesn't matter that Parker ran the wrong route, Eli saw him wide open. All he has to do is throw it to him instead of throwing it where he should be" Some say Eli should have made a sight adjustment to where parker was vs where he should be.

Now I don't know all that goes into a specific play to make it work. I saw a lot of posters claiming this last night. I felt that Eli probably couldn't see as easily as the still pictures show and threw it where he expected Parker to be.
RE: RE: I think alot of people feel like  
Sonic Youth : 11/24/2014 8:19 pm : link
In comment 11998259 drkenneth said:
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In comment 11998251 #10* said:


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an amateur should be able to make that throw so no excuses for Eli there. It seems that he consistently throws behind receivers and he consistently throws high. His balls sail on him. And the other ball that should have been thrown to Odell for a Td was not thrown at all.

Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.




You can't be serious. You realize he completed 72.5% of his passes?
73%, 3tds, 1 int, 350 yds... but nope, game manager.

Fucking mind numbing.
^^^^^^ and he did it with one good WR, a makeshift line ^^^^^^^^  
montanagiant : 11/24/2014 8:26 pm : link
And a running game that was avg at best.


I really...really hate so-called NY Giant fans at times
I can understand fans being frustrated with Eli..  
Davisian : 11/24/2014 9:09 pm : link
But it's the thinking that Nassib or some mid round pick could come in and do a better job that makes me want to punch dorgan in the throat.

RE: If it's one play it's one play  
Section331 : 11/24/2014 9:23 pm : link
In comment 11999061 #10* said:
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BUT we're not talking about ONE play. We're talking about Eli's accuracy through the years. He's always thrown behind or above his receivers. Talk about ELi's percentage in this game all you want but most of them went to Odell who was making crazy catches. Plax did well here because of his catch radius. Yes Eli was off on most of those throws too. With receivers that have a smaller catch radius you see tipped balls and Int's. Which is why smaller receivers don't do well with Eli.

There's alot of plays you don't see where if Eli hits the guy in stride it's a TD instead they come back for the ball and get tackled. That play turns from a td to a 1st and 10 on the 5 or 10 yard line which until last nights game turned into 3 points instead of 7.

For once and for all let's get one thing straight. WE DIDN'T WIN 2 SB'S because of ELI. He helped but he wasn't the reason. That's like saying Seattle won the SB because of Russell Wilson. No they won because of the Legion of Boom. We won two SB's off of our DEFENSE. Don't let the MVP award fool you. Whether we drafted Rivers or Ben those SB's would most likely still be there imo. I just don't think his cap number is any longer a reflection of his productivity. Does anyone feel like he's playing better football than he was two years ago. I can't really see that he has improved his game much over the years but his contract has blossomed and continues to get better with age.


You, sir, are an idiot. First of all, we don't make the playoffs, no less win the SB, in 2011 without Eli. He put that team on his back. No running game, no OL, piss poor D for most of the year; it was Eli and his receivers.

Secondly, about last night, yes, Beckham made 2 spectacular catches, but the fact is, the TD catch was a great throw. What made it so difficult was the PI kept ODB from getting a clean path to the ball. Without it, it's a walk-in TD, and fair weather fans like you would be praising Eli for a great throw.
Lets overlook the dropped interception  
xman : 11/24/2014 10:17 pm : link
Eli threw moments before the first TD pass to OBJ. Lets overlook the poor pass to a wide open OBJ in the endzone moments before Eli's interception. Lets talk about OBJ miracle catch and tell me it was a wonderful throw by Eli. Lets overlook the failed last minute of the game drive when Eli could not get a first down. Lets focus on Eli's accuracy and his failure to hit receivers in stride. I need an accurate throwing QB. That might be one of the most important assets a QB needs.
RE: RE: Eli being the good teammate  
nyynyg : 11/24/2014 9:40 pm : link
In comment 11996458 Rflairr said:
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Who gives a shit about where he should of been, He was wide open in the middle of the field. Just throw it to him. That was a throw a HS QB could make


EXACTLY. Sometimes it is not chess, it's checkers. He was wide freaking open. Manning is a human, not a robot, no one here is going to convince me any NFL quarterback could not pitch and catch that to a guy with no one on him.
RE: RE: Eli being the good teammate  
nyynyg : 11/24/2014 9:40 pm : link
In comment 11996458 Rflairr said:
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Who gives a shit about where he should of been, He was wide open in the middle of the field. Just throw it to him. That was a throw a HS QB could make


EXACTLY. Sometimes it is not chess, it's checkers. He was wide freaking open. Manning is a human, not a robot, no one here is going to convince me any NFL quarterback could not pitch and catch that to a guy with no one on him.
RE: RE: Eli being the good teammate  
nyynyg : 11/24/2014 9:41 pm : link
In comment 11996458 Rflairr said:
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Who gives a shit about where he should of been, He was wide open in the middle of the field. Just throw it to him. That was a throw a HS QB could make


EXACTLY. Sometimes it is not chess, it's checkers. He was wide freaking open. Manning is a human, not a robot, no one here is going to convince me any NFL quarterback could not pitch and catch that to a guy with no one on him.
RE: Lets overlook the dropped interception  
montanagiant : 11/24/2014 11:31 pm : link
In comment 11999518 xman said:
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Eli threw moments before the first TD pass to OBJ. Lets overlook the poor pass to a wide open OBJ in the endzone moments before Eli's interception. Lets talk about OBJ miracle catch and tell me it was a wonderful throw by Eli. Lets overlook the failed last minute of the game drive when Eli could not get a first down. Lets focus on Eli's accuracy and his failure to hit receivers in stride. I need an accurate throwing QB. That might be one of the most important assets a QB needs.

Lets overlook the Int we missed in the 1st qtr...Lets overlook a 350 yard passing night with one good receiver...lets overlook a defense that could not come up with one stop in a key moment all game long....Lets instead create shit out of nothing to satisfy a warped desire to dog the only thing keeping us in fucking games.

Some of you are idiots
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diable : 11/25/2014 4:19 am : link
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diable and xman should go fuck themselves.


What is your fucking problem?
RE: RE: dorgan  
diable : 11/25/2014 4:27 am : link
In comment 11998606 Section331 said:
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In comment 11998432 diable said:


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That pure fabrication on your part.

You have a wild imagination.



Says the guy who plays Madden in his mother's basement wearing thighty whities about the guy who's actually coached.


Actually I was playing Madden...
in your MAMAS basement wearing your sisters favorite pyjamas.
RE: Lets overlook the dropped interception  
dep026 : 11/25/2014 8:36 am : link
In comment 11999518 xman said:
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Eli threw moments before the first TD pass to OBJ. Lets overlook the poor pass to a wide open OBJ in the endzone moments before Eli's interception. Lets talk about OBJ miracle catch and tell me it was a wonderful throw by Eli. Lets overlook the failed last minute of the game drive when Eli could not get a first down. Lets focus on Eli's accuracy and his failure to hit receivers in stride. I need an accurate throwing QB. That might be one of the most important assets a QB needs.


Its posts like these that make me defend Eli the way I do. And the people who think these are rare posts and only done by a few posters are completely false.

This may in fact may be the worst post I have ever read on BBI. I am ashamed to be considered a Giants fan with you. You should become a Redskins or Eagles fan. Total embarrassment.
RE: RE: There are missed open receivers in every single game  
montanagiant : 11/25/2014 8:40 am : link
In comment 11997785 chris r said:
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In comment 11997666 montanagiant said:


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By every single QB...Stop parroting what Collinsworth stated while having the benefit of replay and an eye in the sky.

The bottom line is that he put up more then enough to win this game and had an excellent stat line doing it. He did his job



So are we evaluating Eli's play on raw stats now? I thought that was exactly the line of reasoning we were all against when Eli was making big plays in big moments but putting up fairly pedestrian QB stats.

Oh please, stop trying to spin the fact you are trying to harp on a mistaken claim of a "wide-open" receiver. You know it was done just to fit it inside some absurd biased slant you have against Eli. Its either that or you actually have no clue about football. I think you are smarter then the later
RE: RE: RE: dorgan  
Bill L : 11/25/2014 8:44 am : link
In comment 11999933 diable said:
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In comment 11998606 Section331 said:


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In comment 11998432 diable said:


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That pure fabrication on your part.

You have a wild imagination.



Says the guy who plays Madden in his mother's basement wearing thighty whities about the guy who's actually coached.



Actually I was playing Madden...
in your MAMAS basement wearing your sisters favorite pyjamas.


Dude, his sister is 5'2'/101 lbs and 12. That's a bit sick.
You really shouldn't treat BBI like your own personal fantasy site  
Bill L : 11/25/2014 8:44 am : link
.
We act like Eli is having a brillant year but  
xman : 11/25/2014 10:48 pm : link
there are a ton of QB's with better ratings.
xman  
crick78 : 11/26/2014 2:54 pm : link
And not many qbs have less to work with as Manning
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