Eli;s foot is already plated, his arm is already in the thrwoing motion.... He is throwing it to a spot and just cant stop his throwing motion if the WR runs his pattern to short.
You know what happened the last time Eli try to alter his throwing motion..... it was last week on his 2nd INT, where the ball came out funny.
The throw was still high as shit. Parker wouldn't have been able to catch it anyway. It was a terrible inaccurate throw. Its on Eli. No one else
And if Parker is 1-2 yards deeper where Eli throws it, he catches it for a TD. See how it works both ways?
this DID cost the Giants the game because they never recovered; however, the immediate reaction from me was that Parker ran more of a cross and the route seemed like it should have been more of a slant. The ball came out awkward but a lot of Eli's throws do.
I also miss the 2:00 minute heroics of Eli because I feel like I haven't seen the consistency in the 2:00 minute offense that I'm used to seeing.
he was pretty solid all game. Of course the defense holds primary responsibility. But this thread is about the INT, so we're discussing it. Should have been an easy TD.
why would you assume an easy TD with 2 DBs standing at the one yard line?
this DID cost the Giants the game because they never recovered; however, the immediate reaction from me was that Parker ran more of a cross and the route seemed like it should have been more of a slant. The ball came out awkward but a lot of Eli's throws do.
I also miss the 2:00 minute heroics of Eli because I feel like I haven't seen the consistency in the 2:00 minute offense that I'm used to seeing.
Look it was a bad play. How could it cost the Giants the game if they retook the lead? That does not make a lot of sense.
maybe Eli was trying to lead Parker toward the endzone...I can see why he said he came out flat...Eli's eyes must have gotten huge and saw TD all the way.
and seeing the enormous hole in the Dallas secondary I would think Parker should have cut up sharper towards the endzone. Either way i think it is more of a miscommuncation rather than just a bad throw.
If Parker does cut toward the middle of the field and Eli hits him it is a sure TD.
even indirectly, that the WR was at fault. Perhaps Eli is just plain tired of always accepting all the fault for an INT.
I guess Eli expected Parker to go deeper while Parker just ran lateral to the LOS.
Who knows who's at fault but given Eli's record over the last 10 years, his comment tonight makes me give Eli the benefit of the doubt and put the responsibility for the INT on Parker.
When you have a terrible OL, those type of throws are going to happen because the QB is always rushing his delivery, fearing that the line is about to collapse once again
And that is not exonerating Eli. He has to make a better throw. But overall, he played a great came and overcame Coughlin's idiotic insistence on running the ball angst 8 in the box by converting a number of third and longs.
on the play before the interception, he overthrew Beckham who had clearly beat 2 defenders in the end zone. And then he clearly overthrew parker for that int. Despite clearly oveall having a very good game, those 2 throws were a problem.
The defense has consistently come up small all year and last year also. They were not going to stop Dallas. What Dallas did on the last drive is what we used to do when we had a solid OL.
And last week against Seattle, if they would have scored from the 4 yard line, the defense would have also folded. The only difference would have been Seattle would have only needed a field goal to win.
It has been discussed since he came into the league. He is erratic and inconsistent--one moment great and the next wild. His interception again killed the momentum as he has several times over the past two years. I know, he won many games and two Super Bowls--great! It's a what have you done lately world, particularly when you are paid tens of millions of dollars. It is not unfair to criticize a player who is mistake prone. At his salary he should be held to a much higher standard than any OL or DL player on this team.
I guess when the team loses consistently, the fans have to start the blame game, part of which is to protect the players and coaches you like. This team is a mess right now. It is not just the OL, the DL and Fewell. It's everyone and changes need to be made throughout.
He's had 12 INT's and there have been about 57 threads on those 12.
Comparatively, he has 21 TD's, and probably about 5 threads on those, and those are mostly about Beckham.
Stop overanalyzing.
We scored the go ahead TD with three minutes to go and our defense sh-t the bed. We had yet another shot, and Jennings couldn't get half a yard. All he had to do is fall forward.
Eli's INT, this game and any game, are only one part of the reason we lost. Not the sole reason.
Only an apologist would not blame the QB on that throw.
We scored the go ahead TD with three minutes to go and our defense sh-t the bed. We had yet another shot, and Jennings couldn't get half a yard. All he had to do is fall forward.
agree with most of your post except this - jennings was completely blanketed as soon as he caught the ball.
We scored the go ahead TD with three minutes to go and our defense sh-t the bed. We had yet another shot, and Jennings couldn't get half a yard. All he had to do is fall forward.
agree with most of your post except this - jennings was completely blanketed as soon as he caught the ball.
Then is it not a poor route? Isnt your job as a pass catcher to get to the sticks?
but the play happened in front of me, and I thought Parker should have caught it. It was a little high, but a pro receiver has to bail out his QB every now and then. After dropping 7 passes a couple of weeks ago, Parker certainly owes it to Eli.
I understand what you're saying, and why you're saying it, but the sheer volume of your posts brings out the worst in other people, because they go to extremes to combat your extremes.
regardless of Parker fucking up the route or not, Eli has to make the adjustment based on VISUAL EVIDENCE.
You're assuming that the QB is looking at the WR, which is a poor assumption. He's looking at the spot he's throwing it to. It looked to me like it was head high to Parker, how is that Eli's fault? Anyone know of a video replay I can look at?
Looked like it may have slipped out of Eli's hand a bit, because it had more of an arc than you would want for a short pass over the middle. He has to make a better throw than that, but he had a really good game last night. Unfortunately, because of our crappy D, he had to be perfect.
It wasn't an anticipation throw or timing route. Eli simply missed the throw and any mention of Parker's route is just an attempt to minimize the criticism Elo rightfully deserves for missing a throw any NFL QB should make 100% of the time.
Eli;s foot is already plated, his arm is already in the thrwoing motion.... He is throwing it to a spot and just cant stop his throwing motion if the WR runs his pattern to short.
You know what happened the last time Eli try to alter his throwing motion..... it was last week on his 2nd INT, where the ball came out funny.
The throw was still high as shit. Parker wouldn't have been able to catch it anyway. It was a terrible inaccurate throw. Its on Eli. No one else
And if Parker is 1-2 yards deeper where Eli throws it, he catches it for a TD. See how it works both ways?
The ball was on a rope, if parker was two yards deeper it still would have been uncatchable
Eli played great, there is no reason to dig in your heels on this play
Eli was expecting Parker to run to the post after his break. But Parker kept strafing a little more across the field. I think it was exactly as Eli described it - Parker ran the route a little too flat and Eli threw the ball a little too high.
Parker obviously can't jump. He sort of tried to on this play, but got about as far off the ground as my 16-month old grand daughter. Not enough. So Eli can let him off the hook, but the fault is in Parker, seems to me.
A. does Eli LOOK at his target before throwing the ball?
OR..
B. is he just blindly throwing to a spot HOPING that the WR will be where he is supposed to be?
If he looked at Parker, then there is no excuse for throwing the ball basically over his head. Any other excuse about Parker actually being in a different spot would be invalid since he can SEE HIM.
Now, if he is throwing to a spot where Parker is supposed to be, then OK. Put it on Parker. HOWEVER, that is fucking stupid and it would explain A LOT of the mistakes we have seen over the years.
and it's a pass he'd like back. Parker probably ran shallow, but even Eli admitted it was high. WITH that said, some of you really need to watch other games/QB's around the league. Lots of QB's, even the elite ones miss open WR's or throw bad passes, yet some of you seem to think only Eli does it. He was very sharp last night albeit a few misses.
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Eli;s foot is already plated, his arm is already in the thrwoing motion.... He is throwing it to a spot and just cant stop his throwing motion if the WR runs his pattern to short.
You know what happened the last time Eli try to alter his throwing motion..... it was last week on his 2nd INT, where the ball came out funny.
The throw was still high as shit. Parker wouldn't have been able to catch it anyway. It was a terrible inaccurate throw. Its on Eli. No one else
And if Parker is 1-2 yards deeper where Eli throws it, he catches it for a TD. See how it works both ways?
I also miss the 2:00 minute heroics of Eli because I feel like I haven't seen the consistency in the 2:00 minute offense that I'm used to seeing.
why would you assume an easy TD with 2 DBs standing at the one yard line?
Um, they took the lead with 3:00 on a 3 yard drive.
I also miss the 2:00 minute heroics of Eli because I feel like I haven't seen the consistency in the 2:00 minute offense that I'm used to seeing.
Look it was a bad play. How could it cost the Giants the game if they retook the lead? That does not make a lot of sense.
I feel better about last week too. No doubt the D would have blown it even if someone caught one of those three fades.
Dude you really are getting ridiculous following him on every thread. Its the only football threads you post on at this point
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Dude you really are getting ridiculous following him on every thread. Its the only football threads you post on at this point
Every thread? I don't have that much time on my hands. But you do, have at it.
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Dude you really are getting ridiculous following him on every thread. Its the only football threads you post on at this point
Every thread? I don't have that much time on my hands. But you do, have at it.
Its all you do, you come across like a jealous lover at this point
If Parker does cut toward the middle of the field and Eli hits him it is a sure TD.
Ha..you just stalked ME on another thread because i pointed this out. Seriously give it a rest at this point.
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Haha. Some people spend a little too much time on a message board. Sorry bud.
Ha..you just stalked ME on another thread because i pointed this out. Seriously give it a rest at this point.
Stalk? It's an internet message board. Move out of deps basement. Unless you like shining his QB trophies.
All is forgiven. Sorry too. Giants losses brings out the worst in us
I guess Eli expected Parker to go deeper while Parker just ran lateral to the LOS.
Who knows who's at fault but given Eli's record over the last 10 years, his comment tonight makes me give Eli the benefit of the doubt and put the responsibility for the INT on Parker.
And that is not exonerating Eli. He has to make a better throw. But overall, he played a great came and overcame Coughlin's idiotic insistence on running the ball angst 8 in the box by converting a number of third and longs.
Without Eli, this game is a blowout.
This is typical Eli, when he fucks up it is too high and too far ahead. I would estimate that 75% of his inteceptions are of this variety.
on the play before the interception, he overthrew Beckham who had clearly beat 2 defenders in the end zone. And then he clearly overthrew parker for that int. Despite clearly oveall having a very good game, those 2 throws were a problem.
And last week against Seattle, if they would have scored from the 4 yard line, the defense would have also folded. The only difference would have been Seattle would have only needed a field goal to win.
Like someone else said earlier, bad teams find a way to lose.
This team sucks. That INT sucked but there were other opportunities.
Dallas overcame their mistakes.
I guess when the team loses consistently, the fans have to start the blame game, part of which is to protect the players and coaches you like. This team is a mess right now. It is not just the OL, the DL and Fewell. It's everyone and changes need to be made throughout.
Comparatively, he has 21 TD's, and probably about 5 threads on those, and those are mostly about Beckham.
Stop overanalyzing.
We scored the go ahead TD with three minutes to go and our defense sh-t the bed. We had yet another shot, and Jennings couldn't get half a yard. All he had to do is fall forward.
Eli's INT, this game and any game, are only one part of the reason we lost. Not the sole reason.
All credit to McClain, it was more of the play he made than the one Jennings didn't.
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We scored the go ahead TD with three minutes to go and our defense sh-t the bed. We had yet another shot, and Jennings couldn't get half a yard. All he had to do is fall forward.
agree with most of your post except this - jennings was completely blanketed as soon as he caught the ball.
Then is it not a poor route? Isnt your job as a pass catcher to get to the sticks?
I understand what you're saying, and why you're saying it, but the sheer volume of your posts brings out the worst in other people, because they go to extremes to combat your extremes.
You're assuming that the QB is looking at the WR, which is a poor assumption. He's looking at the spot he's throwing it to. It looked to me like it was head high to Parker, how is that Eli's fault? Anyone know of a video replay I can look at?
The throw was shit.
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Eli;s foot is already plated, his arm is already in the thrwoing motion.... He is throwing it to a spot and just cant stop his throwing motion if the WR runs his pattern to short.
You know what happened the last time Eli try to alter his throwing motion..... it was last week on his 2nd INT, where the ball came out funny.
The throw was still high as shit. Parker wouldn't have been able to catch it anyway. It was a terrible inaccurate throw. Its on Eli. No one else
And if Parker is 1-2 yards deeper where Eli throws it, he catches it for a TD. See how it works both ways?
The ball was on a rope, if parker was two yards deeper it still would have been uncatchable
Eli played great, there is no reason to dig in your heels on this play
And Dep: I get it, but you need to let it go.
1. He still played really, really well.
2. He did not lose the game on the INT.
3. He gave us a chance with the go ahead TD with 3:00 left.
Eli and OBJ are the only reasons why its even worth watching the Giants anymore.
OR..
B. is he just blindly throwing to a spot HOPING that the WR will be where he is supposed to be?
If he looked at Parker, then there is no excuse for throwing the ball basically over his head. Any other excuse about Parker actually being in a different spot would be invalid since he can SEE HIM.
Now, if he is throwing to a spot where Parker is supposed to be, then OK. Put it on Parker. HOWEVER, that is fucking stupid and it would explain A LOT of the mistakes we have seen over the years.