In comment 11997325 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:
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A. does Eli LOOK at his target before throwing the ball?
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B. is he just blindly throwing to a spot HOPING that the WR will be where he is supposed to be?
If he looked at Parker, then there is no excuse for throwing the ball basically over his head. Any other excuse about Parker actually being in a different spot would be invalid since he can SEE HIM.
Now, if he is throwing to a spot where Parker is supposed to be, then OK. Put it on Parker. HOWEVER, that is fucking stupid and it would explain A LOT of the mistakes we have seen over the years.
Obviously he needs to look at his target. The problem is once a WR breaks his route its up to the WR to get to the spot where the QB expects him to be. Like I tried to explain last night, if Eli is expecting Parker to run a skinny post, he is going to through it to that spot. If Parker was suppose to run it a dig or an in, than obviously Eli threw a horrible ball.
I dont think anyone should speculate on what happened, because there are a lot of quotes and pictures that disprove what many people think. I think we should all agree that the pass has to be completed and plays like that are the reasons why we are where we are.
for a bag of donuts. All his interceptions in the red zone .... for a veteran QB ? If we end up 3-13 and could draft Mariota. Say what you want but I would. At least Mariota could run it in from 10 yds out. Eli will be too old by the time we rebuild.
There is no "the reason". Defending Eli along those lines is disingenuous. There are reasons and int and the OBJ miss were big ones.
With your extensive knowledge of the game, can you explain how someone can be blamed for missing a WR they never saw open?
What level did you play QB on again?
Surely your pop warner coach wouldn't have absolved you for not seeing your star WR lined up vs single coverage pre snap and making sure to look his way.
and saw he was covered, so he went to his next read. He cant forsee the CB falling down and leaving him wide open. Even then he would still have had time to make the throw if he didnt have to elude the rush coming in from his right. So by the time he saw OBJ, it was too late.
Theres a huge difference between missing and not seeing a WR. But I doubt your intelligence would be able to comprehend it. I love the fact that people keep on insisting (ahem, radar...) that Eli didnt throw him the ball when he was open as if he saw him. Just stupidity upon stupidity.
In comment 11997325 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:
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A. does Eli LOOK at his target before throwing the ball?
OR..
B. is he just blindly throwing to a spot HOPING that the WR will be where he is supposed to be?
If he looked at Parker, then there is no excuse for throwing the ball basically over his head. Any other excuse about Parker actually being in a different spot would be invalid since he can SEE HIM.
Now, if he is throwing to a spot where Parker is supposed to be, then OK. Put it on Parker. HOWEVER, that is fucking stupid and it would explain A LOT of the mistakes we have seen over the years.
Eric, every offense from HS up plays that way. You are taught to look at the defense, not at your receivers. Throw to a spot, and trust your WR's to get there. This isn't anything new.
on other factors like the route running, effort, lack of protection, etc. A lot of that blame fell on guys like Manningham and Randle. But, the last two weeks were all on Eli. This wasn't a bad read or a timing play. so, even if Parker was a little flat, it was right in front of Eli for him o recognize. That was 100% a bad throw. Even if he ran a little deeper, that was still a high throw and probably not caught.
the way the 5 the week before did. i also think Eli played an excellent game for most of the rest of the game. But, that did result in a 14 point turnaround. To me, euqally as egregious were his overthrow of an open Beckham, throwing high to Donnell on the final drive, and their last offensive play. How the fuck do you not either call a rout or run it deep enough to pick up 2 yards? that was pathetic.
RE: There are missed open receivers in every single game
By every single QB...Stop parroting what Collinsworth stated while having the benefit of replay and an eye in the sky.
The bottom line is that he put up more then enough to win this game and had an excellent stat line doing it. He did his job
So are we evaluating Eli's play on raw stats now? I thought that was exactly the line of reasoning we were all against when Eli was making big plays in big moments but putting up fairly pedestrian QB stats.
There is no "the reason". Defending Eli along those lines is disingenuous. There are reasons and int and the OBJ miss were big ones.
With your extensive knowledge of the game, can you explain how someone can be blamed for missing a WR they never saw open?
What level did you play QB on again?
Surely your pop warner coach wouldn't have absolved you for not seeing your star WR lined up vs single coverage pre snap and making sure to look his way.
There is so much wrong with the claim that he did not see him that it makes me wonder if you actually understand football.
He did see him, he was actually covered pretty well at first. The reason he was so open was that the defender fell down after Eli went to his other reads, so sitting there proclaiming he never looked for him is both wrong and disingenuous on your part. I understand Dep has an extreme Eli slant, but trying to fit nonsense into your own extreme anti-eli slant is every bit as bad. The funniest thing about this is your just seizing on a remark CC stated as some kind of proof positive
RE: There are missed open receivers in every single game
sure its an easy throw and he f#cked up the game not making it. but why doesn't parker threaten the end zone more? the middle's wide open with the Safeties split. get north/south and UP the seam, easy TD, which is i'm sure what he's coached to do
an amateur should be able to make that throw so no excuses for Eli there. It seems that he consistently throws behind receivers and he consistently throws high. His balls sail on him. And the other ball that should have been thrown to Odell for a Td was not thrown at all.
Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.
an amateur should be able to make that throw so no excuses for Eli there. It seems that he consistently throws behind receivers and he consistently throws high. His balls sail on him. And the other ball that should have been thrown to Odell for a Td was not thrown at all.
Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.
You can't be serious. You realize he completed 72.5% of his passes?
looking at it without going into all the peripherals you say its on
Eli. But bigger picture is PP is probably 4th string WR at best. He got one hand up, had about one inch vertical leap and acted like he wasn't expecting a throw. If Eli leads him and throws it lower its blocked by the D line. PP needs to know whats going on as well. He has to adjust as well.
Make it Eli's fault. If they score there there is still time for Dallas to win and the defense couldn't stop a thing.
an amateur should be able to make that throw so no excuses for Eli there. It seems that he consistently throws behind receivers and he consistently throws high. His balls sail on him. And the other ball that should have been thrown to Odell for a Td was not thrown at all.
Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.
Holy shit..you have to be kidding me..This has to be a sarcastic post......right?
A marginal NFL player runs a bad route and it's time to get rid of Eli. Eli never blames anyone yet he mildly alluded to Parker running a "flattish route" - and you guys miss it. For "Eli speak" that's the equivalent of shouting it from a loud speaker.
If Parker takes that route a shade more upfield, it's six points. So who do you think fucked up? A marginal NFL player or Eli?
fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
Thank you. diable and xman should go fuck themselves.
fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
Thank you. diable and xman should go fuck themselves.
Well, I don't know who they are, but I like the spirit.
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dorgan : 2:12 pm : link : reply
fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
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Can we highlight dorgans comments at the top of the forum?
Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.
RE: The overanalyzation of this play is ridiculous.
Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.
Because the INT changed the momentum of the game permanently. The DL was so deflated after it, that they didn't have the heart to get close enough to even see Romo without squinting on the last Dallas drive.
(Ignore that the Giants came back to take the lead after it and that the defense bent over after huge positive plays too.)
RE: RE: The overanalyzation of this play is ridiculous.
Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.
Because the INT changed the momentum of the game permanently. The DL was so deflated after it, that they didn't have the heart to get close enough to even see Romo without squinting on the last Dallas drive.
(Ignore that the Giants came back to take the lead after it and that the defense bent over after huge positive plays too.)
Haha.
RE: looking at it without going into all the peripherals you say its on
Eli. But bigger picture is PP is probably 4th string WR at best. He got one hand up, had about one inch vertical leap and acted like he wasn't expecting a throw. If Eli leads him and throws it lower its blocked by the D line. PP needs to know whats going on as well. He has to adjust as well.
Make it Eli's fault. If they score there there is still time for Dallas to win and the defense couldn't stop a thing.
If it's blocked by the d line we still kick a field goal.
fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
Easily the best and most common sense post I've read all day.
RE: RE: RE: The overanalyzation of this play is ridiculous.
Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.
Because the INT changed the momentum of the game permanently. The DL was so deflated after it, that they didn't have the heart to get close enough to even see Romo without squinting on the last Dallas drive.
(Ignore that the Giants came back to take the lead after it and that the defense bent over after huge positive plays too.)
Haha.
Dep026...that was the funniest shit I've read all day!!! At this point if you can't laugh about this shit you're in need of help.
You can't say if Eli threw it lower we win and that is the game
because then you need to say if Eli missed this, or if Eli missed that pass, we lose. The guy hit 73% of his throws, what about all those? If he throws for 55% we lose by 20. You can't pick one play, you need to look at the whole game and bode of work. The guy played a very good game:
73% completions, 340 yds, 3 TDS, 1 Int., 112 QBR. Thats a very good stat line
BUT we're not talking about ONE play. We're talking about Eli's accuracy through the years. He's always thrown behind or above his receivers. Talk about ELi's percentage in this game all you want but most of them went to Odell who was making crazy catches. Plax did well here because of his catch radius. Yes Eli was off on most of those throws too. With receivers that have a smaller catch radius you see tipped balls and Int's. Which is why smaller receivers don't do well with Eli.
There's alot of plays you don't see where if Eli hits the guy in stride it's a TD instead they come back for the ball and get tackled. That play turns from a td to a 1st and 10 on the 5 or 10 yard line which until last nights game turned into 3 points instead of 7.
For once and for all let's get one thing straight. WE DIDN'T WIN 2 SB'S because of ELI. He helped but he wasn't the reason. That's like saying Seattle won the SB because of Russell Wilson. No they won because of the Legion of Boom. We won two SB's off of our DEFENSE. Don't let the MVP award fool you. Whether we drafted Rivers or Ben those SB's would most likely still be there imo. I just don't think his cap number is any longer a reflection of his productivity. Does anyone feel like he's playing better football than he was two years ago. I can't really see that he has improved his game much over the years but his contract has blossomed and continues to get better with age.
OR..
B. is he just blindly throwing to a spot HOPING that the WR will be where he is supposed to be?
If he looked at Parker, then there is no excuse for throwing the ball basically over his head. Any other excuse about Parker actually being in a different spot would be invalid since he can SEE HIM.
Now, if he is throwing to a spot where Parker is supposed to be, then OK. Put it on Parker. HOWEVER, that is fucking stupid and it would explain A LOT of the mistakes we have seen over the years.
Obviously he needs to look at his target. The problem is once a WR breaks his route its up to the WR to get to the spot where the QB expects him to be. Like I tried to explain last night, if Eli is expecting Parker to run a skinny post, he is going to through it to that spot. If Parker was suppose to run it a dig or an in, than obviously Eli threw a horrible ball.
I dont think anyone should speculate on what happened, because there are a lot of quotes and pictures that disprove what many people think. I think we should all agree that the pass has to be completed and plays like that are the reasons why we are where we are.
The Giants were winning by four. Then the defense blew it. That's the story of the game.
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You mean complete two passes and had a 3rd dropped?
There is no "the reason". Defending Eli along those lines is disingenuous. There are reasons and int and the OBJ miss were big ones.
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It's also not the reason they lost the game.
There is no "the reason". Defending Eli along those lines is disingenuous. There are reasons and int and the OBJ miss were big ones.
With your extensive knowledge of the game, can you explain how someone can be blamed for missing a WR they never saw open?
The bottom line is that he put up more then enough to win this game and had an excellent stat line doing it. He did his job
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In comment 11997448 Go Terps said:
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It's also not the reason they lost the game.
There is no "the reason". Defending Eli along those lines is disingenuous. There are reasons and int and the OBJ miss were big ones.
With your extensive knowledge of the game, can you explain how someone can be blamed for missing a WR they never saw open?
What level did you play QB on again?
Surely your pop warner coach wouldn't have absolved you for not seeing your star WR lined up vs single coverage pre snap and making sure to look his way.
Theres a huge difference between missing and not seeing a WR. But I doubt your intelligence would be able to comprehend it. I love the fact that people keep on insisting (ahem, radar...) that Eli didnt throw him the ball when he was open as if he saw him. Just stupidity upon stupidity.
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B. is he just blindly throwing to a spot HOPING that the WR will be where he is supposed to be?
If he looked at Parker, then there is no excuse for throwing the ball basically over his head. Any other excuse about Parker actually being in a different spot would be invalid since he can SEE HIM.
Now, if he is throwing to a spot where Parker is supposed to be, then OK. Put it on Parker. HOWEVER, that is fucking stupid and it would explain A LOT of the mistakes we have seen over the years.
Eric, every offense from HS up plays that way. You are taught to look at the defense, not at your receivers. Throw to a spot, and trust your WR's to get there. This isn't anything new.
The bottom line is that he put up more then enough to win this game and had an excellent stat line doing it. He did his job
So are we evaluating Eli's play on raw stats now? I thought that was exactly the line of reasoning we were all against when Eli was making big plays in big moments but putting up fairly pedestrian QB stats.
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In comment 11997598 chris r said:
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In comment 11997448 Go Terps said:
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It's also not the reason they lost the game.
There is no "the reason". Defending Eli along those lines is disingenuous. There are reasons and int and the OBJ miss were big ones.
With your extensive knowledge of the game, can you explain how someone can be blamed for missing a WR they never saw open?
What level did you play QB on again?
Surely your pop warner coach wouldn't have absolved you for not seeing your star WR lined up vs single coverage pre snap and making sure to look his way.
There is so much wrong with the claim that he did not see him that it makes me wonder if you actually understand football.
He did see him, he was actually covered pretty well at first. The reason he was so open was that the defender fell down after Eli went to his other reads, so sitting there proclaiming he never looked for him is both wrong and disingenuous on your part. I understand Dep has an extreme Eli slant, but trying to fit nonsense into your own extreme anti-eli slant is every bit as bad. The funniest thing about this is your just seizing on a remark CC stated as some kind of proof positive
The bottom line is that he put up more then enough to win this game and had an excellent stat line doing it. He did his job
If it wasn't OBJ on that play and it was Randle I doubt CC even does a replay of it.
sure its an easy throw and he f#cked up the game not making it. but why doesn't parker threaten the end zone more? the middle's wide open with the Safeties split. get north/south and UP the seam, easy TD, which is i'm sure what he's coached to do
Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.
Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.
You can't be serious. You realize he completed 72.5% of his passes?
Make it Eli's fault. If they score there there is still time for Dallas to win and the defense couldn't stop a thing.
Eli is too slow for this offense. Nassibs roll outs took half the time of Eli's. This should have been a blow out game for the Giants but it ends in a loss. It's finally come from Eli being a game manager to hurting the team. I love Eli, but Imho, it's time to move on. Now that the season is over I think the QB position should be an open competition from here going forward before they decide to give Manning another huge pay day when a more mobile guy is sitting in the wings.
Holy shit..you have to be kidding me..This has to be a sarcastic post......right?
If Parker takes that route a shade more upfield, it's six points. So who do you think fucked up? A marginal NFL player or Eli?
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
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fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
Thank you. diable and xman should go fuck themselves.
Well, I don't know who they are, but I like the spirit.
Parker, Hosley, Demps, Stevie, and the edge defenders in the front seven are consistently mistake-prone.
Everyone knows Eli is a poor study and couldn't complete a sentence let alone a pass.
Nassib to Parker in '15!
dorgan : 2:12 pm : link : reply
fairly obvious after watching it that Parker was supposed to run a post or a skinny post. Dallas was in Cover two and McAdoo guessed right and called a cover 2 beater.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
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There no excuse for that throw.
You have a wild imagination.
Says the guy who plays Madden in his mother's basement wearing thighty whities about the guy who's actually coached.
Because the INT changed the momentum of the game permanently. The DL was so deflated after it, that they didn't have the heart to get close enough to even see Romo without squinting on the last Dallas drive.
(Ignore that the Giants came back to take the lead after it and that the defense bent over after huge positive plays too.)
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Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.
Because the INT changed the momentum of the game permanently. The DL was so deflated after it, that they didn't have the heart to get close enough to even see Romo without squinting on the last Dallas drive.
(Ignore that the Giants came back to take the lead after it and that the defense bent over after huge positive plays too.)
Haha.
Make it Eli's fault. If they score there there is still time for Dallas to win and the defense couldn't stop a thing.
If it's blocked by the d line we still kick a field goal.
Both safeties were frozen on the hashes due to the complimentary routes and if Parker runs the post or skinny post we've got a score.
It looked like a well designed play that was called at the perfect time.
Instead he flattened out and we get a tipped pass for an interception. Blame whoever makes you feel better, but the film doesn't lie.
Only in NY does a QB with three TDs and a 72% completion rate get blamed for a loss when the defense gives up 31.
Easily the best and most common sense post I've read all day.
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Eli fucked up. It was a big play in the game. However, he also gave them the lead with 3 minutes left. I don't understand how the former takes precedence over the latter.
Because the INT changed the momentum of the game permanently. The DL was so deflated after it, that they didn't have the heart to get close enough to even see Romo without squinting on the last Dallas drive.
(Ignore that the Giants came back to take the lead after it and that the defense bent over after huge positive plays too.)
Haha.
Dep026...that was the funniest shit I've read all day!!! At this point if you can't laugh about this shit you're in need of help.
73% completions, 340 yds, 3 TDS, 1 Int., 112 QBR. Thats a very good stat line
There's alot of plays you don't see where if Eli hits the guy in stride it's a TD instead they come back for the ball and get tackled. That play turns from a td to a 1st and 10 on the 5 or 10 yard line which until last nights game turned into 3 points instead of 7.
For once and for all let's get one thing straight. WE DIDN'T WIN 2 SB'S because of ELI. He helped but he wasn't the reason. That's like saying Seattle won the SB because of Russell Wilson. No they won because of the Legion of Boom. We won two SB's off of our DEFENSE. Don't let the MVP award fool you. Whether we drafted Rivers or Ben those SB's would most likely still be there imo. I just don't think his cap number is any longer a reflection of his productivity. Does anyone feel like he's playing better football than he was two years ago. I can't really see that he has improved his game much over the years but his contract has blossomed and continues to get better with age.