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I can't wait to see the offense next season

Anakim : 11/24/2014 1:22 am
I think this team has the making of a real force. Yes, we may have holes at every single position (literally, without exception), but the weapons are there. Assuming we're healthy (another big assumption, I know), I think this offense will be very good.

Eli/Jennings and a speedy scatback (I like Jeremy Langford out of Michigan State, BTW. I think he fits the bill well)/a healthy Cruz AND a healthy Beckham Jr./Donnell and a new speedy TE/ a new starting RT after we move Pugh to LG...and of course, quality depth for the O-Line.

I think that has the potential to be an awesome offense.

I'm excited about next season. I really am.
gimme some amare cooper  
DaddyM89 : 11/24/2014 1:24 am : link
and our offense will be a force for years to come
Health is never a given  
kepler20 : 11/24/2014 1:24 am : link
ever ever.


The only thing that people should be hopeful for is if coughlin steps down and allows mcadoo to actually run his plays.

If that doesn't happen, we won't go anywhere no matter who we draft or sign.
20+M in cap space  
montanagiant : 11/24/2014 1:28 am : link
A great second year receiver and Cruz back..Yeah some nice signings for the line and at LB will maybe bring us back
RE: 20+M in cap space  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/24/2014 1:29 am : link
In comment 11996661 montanagiant said:
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A great second year receiver and Cruz back..Yeah some nice signings for the line and at LB will maybe bring us back


Great insight.
Not to be all womp womp womp, but the weapons aren't there.  
Riggies : 11/24/2014 1:30 am : link
They have Beckham.

Jennings is okay, but nothing special. Donnell is mostly a JAG and they have no other TEs. Randle is a JAG. Cruz may never be the same again and they wouldn't be smart to bank on him.

Throw in how any belief that the OL will be decent being pretty much blind, reason-less faith given how incapable they keep showing themselves in that department, and it's not a good situation.

Realistically, they're probably years away from a potentially great offense, especially considering how much investment turning the defense around is going to take, and by then the QB situation, if a change doesn't go down in the mean, will start to be a possible issue, given Manning's age.
RE: Not to be all womp womp womp, but the weapons aren't there.  
chris r : 11/24/2014 1:32 am : link
In comment 11996665 Riggies said:
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They have Beckham.

Jennings is okay, but nothing special. Donnell is mostly a JAG and they have no other TEs. Randle is a JAG. Cruz may never be the same again and they wouldn't be smart to bank on him.

Throw in how any belief that the OL will be decent being pretty much blind, reason-less faith given how incapable they keep showing themselves in that department, and it's not a good situation.

Realistically, they're probably years away from a potentially great offense, especially considering how much investment turning the defense around is going to take, and by then the QB situation, if a change doesn't go down in the mean, will start to be a possible issue, given Manning's age.


This. They only have one sure thing plus weapon offensively.
i'm with you. . .  
dancing blue bear : 11/24/2014 1:32 am : link
If pugh and richberg develop, and get stronger. draft a stud OL high and some depth, and this offense will be pretty potent.

add in growth from donell, andre, washington. even Randle as a 3rd/4th receiver.
RE: RE: 20+M in cap space  
montanagiant : 11/24/2014 1:32 am : link
In comment 11996662 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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A great second year receiver and Cruz back..Yeah some nice signings for the line and at LB will maybe bring us back



Great insight.

Aww..someone has sand in their vagina because i pointed out their stalking another poster..how cute!
RE: RE: RE: 20+M in cap space  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/24/2014 1:33 am : link
In comment 11996672 montanagiant said:
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A great second year receiver and Cruz back..Yeah some nice signings for the line and at LB will maybe bring us back



Great insight.


Aww..someone has sand in their vagina because i pointed out their stalking another poster..how cute!


I gave you a compliment? Okay.
If so, my bad and I am sorry  
montanagiant : 11/24/2014 1:34 am : link
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RE: If so, my bad and I am sorry  
dep026 : 11/24/2014 1:34 am : link
In comment 11996677 montanagiant said:
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No he didnt. His remark was 100% pure sarcasm at you.
RE: RE: If so, my bad and I am sorry  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 11/24/2014 1:36 am : link
In comment 11996679 dep026 said:
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No he didnt. His remark was 100% pure sarcasm at you.


Dep no it wasn't. Stop it. I liked what he wrote and complimented him on it. Please stop following me around.
there  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2014 1:36 am : link
is a really good chance that Cruz will never be the same player again. He may be done.
I wouldn't bet against Victor Cruz  
PetesHereNow : 11/24/2014 1:38 am : link
We do need another WR anyway, because Randle is clearly a backup type guy.
RE: there  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 11/24/2014 1:39 am : link
In comment 11996686 Eric from BBI said:
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is a really good chance that Cruz will never be the same player again. He may be done.


I hate that this is probably the truth and that I will be in for more hair pulling with Randle.
RE: RE: Not to be all womp womp womp, but the weapons aren't there.  
Anakim : 11/24/2014 1:39 am : link
In comment 11996668 chris r said:
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They have Beckham.

Jennings is okay, but nothing special. Donnell is mostly a JAG and they have no other TEs. Randle is a JAG. Cruz may never be the same again and they wouldn't be smart to bank on him.

Throw in how any belief that the OL will be decent being pretty much blind, reason-less faith given how incapable they keep showing themselves in that department, and it's not a good situation.

Realistically, they're probably years away from a potentially great offense, especially considering how much investment turning the defense around is going to take, and by then the QB situation, if a change doesn't go down in the mean, will start to be a possible issue, given Manning's age.



This. They only have one sure thing plus weapon offensively.


Well, we do need to add some pieces, but I'm optimistic. A new RT, a scatback like Jeremy Langford or Duke Williams, whose speed will destroy opposing offenses, a TE that will stretch the field like a Maxx Williams or a Wes Saxton...I think this team has the potential to be very dynamic.
I've made the mistake before  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2014 1:40 am : link
of overrating our talent, so I'll take the wait-and-see approach this time. The Cruz injury is the biggest kick in the balls we've had over the past two dreadful years. Eli, Beckham and Cruz would give us something to hang our hats on. We need another back, another WR, and two lineman at minimum. I'm not sold on Donnell being any long-term solution either. And our defense is in even worse shape.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2014 1:40 am : link
another bad pick by Reese and Ross on Randle...second rounder.
RE: RE: RE: Not to be all womp womp womp, but the weapons aren't there.  
montanagiant : 11/24/2014 1:40 am : link
In comment 11996692 Anakim said:
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They have Beckham.

Jennings is okay, but nothing special. Donnell is mostly a JAG and they have no other TEs. Randle is a JAG. Cruz may never be the same again and they wouldn't be smart to bank on him.

Throw in how any belief that the OL will be decent being pretty much blind, reason-less faith given how incapable they keep showing themselves in that department, and it's not a good situation.

Realistically, they're probably years away from a potentially great offense, especially considering how much investment turning the defense around is going to take, and by then the QB situation, if a change doesn't go down in the mean, will start to be a possible issue, given Manning's age.



This. They only have one sure thing plus weapon offensively.



Well, we do need to add some pieces, but I'm optimistic. A new RT, a scatback like Jeremy Langford or Duke Williams, whose speed will destroy opposing offenses, a TE that will stretch the field like a Maxx Williams or a Wes Saxton...I think this team has the potential to be very dynamic.

Nice..I agree
can't  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2014 1:41 am : link
agree with optimism here.

We have Eli, Beckham, Donnell and a whole lot of nothing.
RE: can't  
PetesHereNow : 11/24/2014 1:45 am : link
In comment 11996698 Eric from BBI said:
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agree with optimism here.

We have Eli, Beckham, Donnell and a whole lot of nothing.


Are you not a fan of Jennings? i think he's at least a piece.
So I'm mildly optimistic if they somehow miraculously fix the OL.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 11/24/2014 1:46 am : link
Eli, OBJ, Cruz if he comes back is solid. Randle is not terrible as a 3rd and perhaps Washington can make a leap to overtake him.

I'm a big fan of Andre Williams and i think if you have a powerhouse OL, that kid can absolutely wear out defenses ala AB and Jacobs. Jennings is reliable.
Agreed, but I'm guessing the Giants  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2014 1:47 am : link
will be more optimistic. Eli, Beckham, Cruz, Donnell, Jennings, Williams, Pugh, Richburg and Schwartz will be viewed as the foundation on offense.

No clue what the defense is gonna look like next season, but I sure hope it includes some NFL linebackers. Did McClain get home on that third quarter blitz yet?
RE: can't  
Anakim : 11/24/2014 1:48 am : link
In comment 11996698 Eric from BBI said:
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agree with optimism here.

We have Eli, Beckham, Donnell and a whole lot of nothing.


Ye of little faith


It's a decent year for WRs. I will say this and I've maintained it all year: Doriel Green-Beckham has more talent than Amare Cooper. If he checks out off the field and be mature and that's the million dollar question, he is going to be an absolute beast.
why  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/24/2014 1:51 am : link
the fuck would I have any faith in Reese and Ross to fix this fucking mess?

We're headed in the opposite direction.
Donnell is serviceable because he's cheap  
Overseer : 11/24/2014 1:54 am : link
but in no way is he part of the "foundation". Ballard was much more impactful and he was easily replaced.

TE is a major need for the Giants.
RE: why  
Anakim : 11/24/2014 1:55 am : link
In comment 11996712 Eric from BBI said:
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the fuck would I have any faith in Reese and Ross to fix this fucking mess?

We're headed in the opposite direction.


Believe me, Eric. I'm on board with cleaning house. I'd let everyone go. Reese, Coughlin, Fewell, Ross...only one I semi-like is McAdoo.
RE: Donnell is serviceable because he's cheap  
chris r : 11/24/2014 2:01 am : link
In comment 11996716 Overseer said:
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but in no way is he part of the "foundation". Ballard was much more impactful and he was easily replaced.

TE is a major need for the Giants.


I don't think its a major need. We need another weapon, whether its a TE, WR or RB.

RE: why  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/24/2014 2:03 am : link
In comment 11996712 Eric from BBI said:
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the fuck would I have any faith in Reese and Ross to fix this fucking mess?

We're headed in the opposite direction.


Ross has to go, Reese needs to show he can run the full draft..Ross has been a disaster
RE: RE: Donnell is serviceable because he's cheap  
Anakim : 11/24/2014 2:05 am : link
In comment 11996719 chris r said:
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but in no way is he part of the "foundation". Ballard was much more impactful and he was easily replaced.

TE is a major need for the Giants.



I don't think its a major need. We need another weapon, whether its a TE, WR or RB.


All three. We need a speedy TE that can stretch the field, like Wes Saxton or MyCole Pruitt. Kevin Funchess also obviously fits the bill. We need a speedy, HR threat at RB like Duke Johnson or Jeremy Langford, and we need a starting WR if Victor Cruz isn't healthy.
aside from 3 TDs vs Washington,  
SHO'NUFF : 11/24/2014 2:06 am : link
Donnell has not impressed me one bit...he has the goods, but he's just not very effective.
RE: aside from 3 TDs vs Washington,  
Anakim : 11/24/2014 2:09 am : link
In comment 11996725 SHO'NUFF said:
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Donnell has not impressed me one bit...he has the goods, but he's just not very effective.


He has excellent size and has a decent vertical, but that's about it. He needs to be complemented with a guy that will stretch the field.
RE:  
Jesse B : 11/24/2014 6:38 am : link
In comment 11996694 Eric from BBI said:
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another bad pick by Reese and Ross on Randle...second rounder.



Justin Hunter, Robert Woods, Aaron Dobson, Brian Quick, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jefferey, Ryan Broyles, Rueben Randle, Titus Young, Torrey Smith, Greg Little, Randall Cobb, Dexter McCluster, Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate, Brian Robiske, Mohammed Massaquoi.


These are all the WR selected between 2009-2013 in the second round. I would say Rueben Randle is Better Than Average when picking a 2nd round wide receiver.

Who would you definitely take over Randle? Jefferey is a beast. Cobb is good, but who thinks Cobb takes over a team that isn't QB by Aaron Rodgers? Golden Tate before this year was considered a bust before he moved to Detroit.


Randle is NOT great, but he is NOT a BUST.

People have unrealistic expectations of what most players actually become in the NFL.

Would you rather have T.Y. Hilton (selected in the third round?) Absolutely. Is Randle terrible. No? And He's still very young. He's STILL only 23 years old.
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montanagiant : 11/24/2014 9:47 am : link
In comment 11996792 Jesse B said:
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another bad pick by Reese and Ross on Randle...second rounder.




Justin Hunter, Robert Woods, Aaron Dobson, Brian Quick, Stephen Hill, Alshon Jefferey, Ryan Broyles, Rueben Randle, Titus Young, Torrey Smith, Greg Little, Randall Cobb, Dexter McCluster, Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate, Brian Robiske, Mohammed Massaquoi.


These are all the WR selected between 2009-2013 in the second round. I would say Rueben Randle is Better Than Average when picking a 2nd round wide receiver.

Who would you definitely take over Randle? Jefferey is a beast. Cobb is good, but who thinks Cobb takes over a team that isn't QB by Aaron Rodgers? Golden Tate before this year was considered a bust before he moved to Detroit.


Randle is NOT great, but he is NOT a BUST.

People have unrealistic expectations of what most players actually become in the NFL.

Would you rather have T.Y. Hilton (selected in the third round?) Absolutely. Is Randle terrible. No? And He's still very young. He's STILL only 23 years old.

Good post!
Ronald's problems are all mental  
Anakim : 11/24/2014 1:46 pm : link
The physical tools are there. The mental tools aren't
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