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Eric you wrote-Victor Cruz might be done?

Headhunter : 11/24/2014 8:11 am
based on what? You know something we don't? I get you think the team stinks and the future is bleak, but as someone in your position here to throw that out without basing it on anything is stupid
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BeerFridge  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/24/2014 11:34 am : link
The NFL is not a very forgiving league when it comes to not performing. If players are in on average 45 games after the injury, they're doing something right.
In The Mind of Some...  
Jim in Tampa : 11/24/2014 11:35 am : link
(And Eric appears to be in this group)

Optimists are naive and pessimists are realists.
Randall Cobb is a free agent after this year and chances  
jlukes : 11/24/2014 12:03 pm : link
are Green Bay does not re-sign him
RE: Let me emphasize  
jlukes : 11/24/2014 12:05 pm : link
In comment 11997622 Mike in Long Beach said:
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79% of the players returned and played for an average of almost 3 seasons (45 games). One player in the study returned to play 142 games.

Meaning, there is nearly a 4-out-of-5 chance Cruz will return (and even THAT number ignore that almost all of the good players returned), and if he does, on average, he will have 45 games remaining. Many marginal players have an average career length of 3 years anyway, and Cruz is not marginal, so one would think he'd be in a good position to exceed that.


Mike - what percentage of those guys were WRs best attribute is short area quickness and changing directions at full speed?
RE: Randall Cobb is a free agent after this year and chances  
Curtis in VA : 11/24/2014 12:13 pm : link
In comment 11997846 jlukes said:
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are Green Bay does not re-sign him


Whoa. why wouldn't they bring him back? He's been on fire this year. Not that I'm complaining. =) I'd gladly take him off their hands.
Gotta error on the side of him  
giantgiantfan : 11/24/2014 12:14 pm : link
being done, but gotta hold out hope. AP came back from an ACL and rushed for 2,000 yards so maybe Cruz can return to form.
RE: RE: Let me emphasize  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/24/2014 12:24 pm : link
In comment 11997851 jlukes said:
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In comment 11997622 Mike in Long Beach said:


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79% of the players returned and played for an average of almost 3 seasons (45 games). One player in the study returned to play 142 games.

Meaning, there is nearly a 4-out-of-5 chance Cruz will return (and even THAT number ignore that almost all of the good players returned), and if he does, on average, he will have 45 games remaining. Many marginal players have an average career length of 3 years anyway, and Cruz is not marginal, so one would think he'd be in a good position to exceed that.



Mike - what percentage of those guys were WRs best attribute is short area quickness and changing directions at full speed?


I don't have those numbers, jlukes... and while it absolutely is a fair distinction to make, it's not one that should tip the scales from "very likely to return" to "not likely to return." In fact, just as we don't know if none of them are WRs, we also don't know if many of them are.

What I do know is what I mentioned about Cadillac Williams. Tore his left patella one year, tore his right one the following year. Came back and ran for the same YPC for the rest of his career.
tendon tear or  
Bleedin Blue : 11/24/2014 12:39 pm : link
Bone tendon attached to fracture?? Can anyone clarify??
I thought though recovery long, the chances are better for coming back if the latter.
Cruz Update as of an hour ago  
Headhunter : 11/24/2014 2:25 pm : link

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Victor Cruz has gotten clearance to ditch his crutches. He's able to bend his surgically repaired knee 95 degrees, a good step in recovery.

RE: BeerFridge  
BeerFridge : 11/24/2014 2:38 pm : link
In comment 11997728 Mike in Long Beach said:
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The NFL is not a very forgiving league when it comes to not performing. If players are in on average 45 games after the injury, they're doing something right.


games played statistic only indicates that they're at least average. Nothing more.

I'm not rooting against Cruz, obviously but it's an open question how close to his former self he comes.
At least to date his recovery  
Headhunter : 11/24/2014 2:42 pm : link
seems to be going well. Long way from throwing away crutches and bending your knee to cutting on a dime and accelerating out of a sharp cut
Planning on Cruz coming back 100% or anything close would be foolish  
GloryDayz : 11/24/2014 2:43 pm : link
You hope he does, of course, but there has to be a contingency plan, and that plan should NOT be based entirely on Randle or Jernigan developing/recovering. Giants need another good/decent starter opposite OBJ, probably through FA.
He will never be  
natefit : 11/24/2014 2:48 pm : link
as good as new but may be able to modify his game and still be effective. Count on a step lost
Have to plan for the worst and hope for the best  
David in LA : 11/24/2014 3:01 pm : link
Would be a total bonus if Victor is close to being Victor next year.
the issue with Cruz quicker than we think  
nyynyg : 11/24/2014 3:20 pm : link
is going to be one of salary cap. he gets next season of course but if he is not our obvious #2 WR, then we have a big problem with cap tied to him.
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