We are not grading by wins and losses, it's are we playing hard. That is the lament of teams like Jacksonville and Oakland.
We have a QB, who needs to make plays that 20 million dollar QB's make. He needs to make those around him better and hold guys accountable. Frankly, we can lose 10 games with another lower paid QB
I have (hate?) to agree. The front office is going to look at the injuries and how close they were in games against the Seahawks (for most of the game), '49ers and Cowboys and say, "Hmmmm, we're that close."
Lets be realistic about last night. The Cowboys are a far superior team. They have a fantastic offensive line. The leading rusher. A possible Hall of Famer in Dez Bryant (who is living up to his pre-draft "Little T.O. hype). A great pass rush. They're just a great team.
The Giants were really outmanned last night but still fought to the end. As has been the case all season, they missed on plays that could've won the game because they simply don't have the talent to compete. Coughlin didn't put players like Cruz and Amukamara on IR. He didn't draft players like Kiwanuka and Beatty who haven't lived up to their potential. There has been talk that his message has gone stale and I've hopped on that bandwagon myself, but I'm not so sure thats the case anymore.
Collinsworth made a great point last night...not when he asked who they are going to find better to replace him with (I think thats silly) but with what he said in regards to McAdoo and blowing the whole thing up after just one season. The Giants aren't going to do that. This offense is brand new and its potential is beginning to show despite no Victor Cruz and one of the worst offensive lines in the league.
I think that Reese and Ross and Coughlin are going to get another crack at this. Fewell will be gone.
The one constant that worries me more than anything is being one of the most injured teams in the league two years in a row. What do we do about THAT?
You can make the case that the outcome would've been different had any one of Cruz, Beason, Amukamara, Thurmond, McBride, Jenkins, or Pugh been available to play.
Lets be realistic about last night. The Cowboys are a far superior team. They have a fantastic offensive line. The leading rusher. A possible Hall of Famer in Dez Bryant (who is living up to his pre-draft "Little T.O. hype). A great pass rush. They're just a great team.
They are not a great team, not even close. A good one? Yes, but their defense sucks and will be exposed when they play playoff caliber teams.
they haven't made the playoffs 5 out of the last 6 years. So I don't want to hear injuries as an excuse. It's a large sample size, not just this year. Talent hasn't been the issue all those years either. He's a good to very good coach. But everyone's reign must come to an end at some point.
Lets be realistic about last night. The Cowboys are a far superior team. They have a fantastic offensive line. The leading rusher. A possible Hall of Famer in Dez Bryant (who is living up to his pre-draft "Little T.O. hype). A great pass rush. They're just a great team.
They are not a great team, not even close. A good one? Yes, but their defense sucks and will be exposed when they play playoff caliber teams.
Agree the cowboys are a great team. Great dominant OL, great QB and etc.
IMO last night was an indictment of Reese and Fewell
not Coughlin. If Reese doesn't get fired I am sure he will screw the salary cap with contracts to JPP or other marginal talent on the roster. Couple that with the usual bad draft picks and the team screwed for years.
Reese and his staff have got to go. Promote Tom to GM.
I highly doubt TC is letting him go. TC wants continuity. Last Mara stepped in and forced a change in OC. Highly unlikely he's do that two years in a row to undermine TC.
Are the Maras and Tisches really going to jettison a two-time Super Bowl-winning head coach and wade into the market for a new coach at the same time as the lowly Jets, a team that shares their stadium and has achieved essentially nothing of significance since 1969? I would imagine the two families that own the Giants would find nothing more distasteful than the optics of being grouped with the Jets as failed franchises desperately seeking salvation in a new coach.
I also bet Reese and Coughlin return, with Fewell serving as this year's sacrificial lamb. If we miss the playoffs in 2015, Coughlin - at about 70 - will not be back. There is little chance Reese is going anywhere. Not with two families that prize continuity above nearly all else at the helm.
Have to agree with everyone saying Coughlin should stay....
There are a lot of reasons the Mara's keep this staff though I don't believe a change at DC would be disruptive. TC has earned it with the two SB's; but the fact this team is still fighting even though over-matched proves he has not lost the team. Yes the overall talent isn't the best, except for the newest arrival, and Eli is certainly a top QB and likely will be for another six years or so. Clearly they must improve several areas, but lat night but for that one high pass/tip/int, the Giants win that game. They just need a little luck to go their way, especially the luck of the injury bug. Maybe it is the surface, though other teams have this surface and I would like to compare stats. They did try real grass once here, but all you can grow in a swamp appeared to be mud.
played hard and i thought the playcalling was for the most part good especially the no huddle but then they went too conservative in the second half. however the defense was again atrocious and the overconserative bend but don't break ended up once again breaking, with coverage miscommunications, no blitzing on a QB whose back is one big hit away from being done for his career. that falls on coughlin too not just fewell.
based on these last few games. The decision on whether or not to bring him back may even have been made before the season started.
I agree with this. Mara is not making the decision on whether TC and Reese stay or go based on these last few weeks of a lost season. He is either satisfied with the talent Reese has acquired or he isn't. That evaluation will not change based on anything that happens from here.
Coughlin may be more impacted, but doubt it is a deciding factor unless something drastic happens like a dominant winning streak or a total collapse against week teams (both possible but not probable).
I can't see anyway that Fewell comes back. That just can't happen.
its a simple process: Mara/Tisch have to look at the players Reese has supplied to TC. If they decide that Reese has provided TC with good NFL caliber players then TC needs to go. If they decide TC has gotten the best out of the players Reese has supplied then Reese/Ross needs to go. Of course they won't do anything until after the season is over. I'm not sure if all the injuries have much of a bearing on their decisions.
The way the Dallas online dominated the Giants front on the last drive should be all you need to see.
He has two seasons where his team has lost 6 in a row....
his team will not make the playoffs, for the 5th time in 6 years...
He has been loyal to his coaches, who have not put a good product on the field....
Yet, be careful what you wish for.....it will be Reese picking his successor.....Reese must use the same "teflon", that a guy named Cashman does....
We have a QB, who needs to make plays that 20 million dollar QB's make. He needs to make those around him better and hold guys accountable. Frankly, we can lose 10 games with another lower paid QB
I have (hate?) to agree. The front office is going to look at the injuries and how close they were in games against the Seahawks (for most of the game), '49ers and Cowboys and say, "Hmmmm, we're that close."
The Giants were really outmanned last night but still fought to the end. As has been the case all season, they missed on plays that could've won the game because they simply don't have the talent to compete. Coughlin didn't put players like Cruz and Amukamara on IR. He didn't draft players like Kiwanuka and Beatty who haven't lived up to their potential. There has been talk that his message has gone stale and I've hopped on that bandwagon myself, but I'm not so sure thats the case anymore.
Collinsworth made a great point last night...not when he asked who they are going to find better to replace him with (I think thats silly) but with what he said in regards to McAdoo and blowing the whole thing up after just one season. The Giants aren't going to do that. This offense is brand new and its potential is beginning to show despite no Victor Cruz and one of the worst offensive lines in the league.
I think that Reese and Ross and Coughlin are going to get another crack at this. Fewell will be gone.
The one constant that worries me more than anything is being one of the most injured teams in the league two years in a row. What do we do about THAT?
BTW....Revisionist history maybe, but think back to 2011 and tell me how great the Giants were until we caught fire at the end of that year.
I love what TC has brought here, but every coach has an expiration date, I have seen enough of TC
Me too..
Same - and I thought it was pretty high to begin with. This isn't 2003. We just aren't talented.
Because we didn't look like we 'quit' verse a superior team.
I thought the only way TC would get shit-canned, right or wrong, was if we had a 2003-like ending to the season.
they all have to go. Reese TC fewell Quinn... Even OL and DL and LB coaches... Everyone sucks
You can make the case that the outcome would've been different had any one of Cruz, Beason, Amukamara, Thurmond, McBride, Jenkins, or Pugh been available to play.
You're right. But I think we'd have to have even more blowouts for him to get canned.
They all should be given a mulligan. Injuries were the problem this year along with a few bad breaks
Defeat is very frustrating, but let's see the big picture clearly.
They are not a great team, not even close. A good one? Yes, but their defense sucks and will be exposed when they play playoff caliber teams.
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Lets be realistic about last night. The Cowboys are a far superior team. They have a fantastic offensive line. The leading rusher. A possible Hall of Famer in Dez Bryant (who is living up to his pre-draft "Little T.O. hype). A great pass rush. They're just a great team.
They are not a great team, not even close. A good one? Yes, but their defense sucks and will be exposed when they play playoff caliber teams.
Agree the cowboys are a great team. Great dominant OL, great QB and etc.
Reese and his staff have got to go. Promote Tom to GM.
I also bet Reese and Coughlin return, with Fewell serving as this year's sacrificial lamb. If we miss the playoffs in 2015, Coughlin - at about 70 - will not be back. There is little chance Reese is going anywhere. Not with two families that prize continuity above nearly all else at the helm.
They are not losing to Jacksonville
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They are not losing to Jacksonville
Did you see what Jax D did to Luck? If Bortles even has a mediocre day they will win.
I agree with this. Mara is not making the decision on whether TC and Reese stay or go based on these last few weeks of a lost season. He is either satisfied with the talent Reese has acquired or he isn't. That evaluation will not change based on anything that happens from here.
Coughlin may be more impacted, but doubt it is a deciding factor unless something drastic happens like a dominant winning streak or a total collapse against week teams (both possible but not probable).
I can't see anyway that Fewell comes back. That just can't happen.