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Tony Romo is unbelievably underrated in clutch spots

MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 12:41 pm
Last night was one of another million examples that everyone will forget the next time he throws a big pick. People will point, and laugh, and engage in errant group think about how much of a "choker" he is, despite the fact that facts make that assertion look ridiculous.

Click the link below. Then under the section "304 quarterbacks" click show all for a list of every qbs numbers since 1998 when the score is within 7 points in the 4th quarter. There is literally not a soul he takes a backseat to. I know his team is light on playoff success, but people need to stop making themselves look stupid with the choker crap

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Yeah that's  
AnishPatel : 11/24/2014 12:43 pm : link
Romo. He made bad mistakes in big spots and so that label, fair or unfair has stuck with him. If he wins a SB then that will cleanse all.
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arcarsenal : 11/24/2014 12:45 pm : link
Yeah, the mistakes have seemed to come with a lot on the line so they've been magnified greatly. He's a really good QB.
Not to take anything away from Romo but last night  
BlueHurricane : 11/24/2014 12:46 pm : link
I could play have been the QB with the time he had.
you must never watch the games then....  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/24/2014 12:47 pm : link
most of the games are against teams he should beat. Look at the BIG games that he has played in... you will see the difference
Never seems to have  
Doomster : 11/24/2014 12:48 pm : link
bad games against the Giants....
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Danny Kanell : 11/24/2014 12:49 pm : link
Romo is a very good-great QB. He's fun to make fun of but bottom line, he's a really good player.
Life is good for him now,  
AnishPatel : 11/24/2014 12:49 pm : link
He has weapons, an OL that is very good, at pass blocking and run blocking, and an RB with talent who is actually staying healthy. So everything is working well for that team and Romo.

he's 1-3 in the playoffs  
GIANTSr01 : 11/24/2014 12:50 pm : link
and his December record and stats are below his career norms (and Dallas isn't exactly your typical NE "winter"). Also, at least 1 of those playoff losses was as the heavy favorite.

Like it or not, a QBs "clutchness" is directly tied to the teams success in it's biggest games (i.e. "win-or-go-home").
anish  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 12:50 pm : link
He has the rep because fans are idiots. Its certainly not fact based. Everyone has big spot failures, people just choose to never forget his. Fact is in a close game in the 4th quarter he is absolutely not theguy you want to see

now im sure ill read that last nights drive really want a clutch spot. Even though im sure if he threw a pick no one would stop screaming choke. The goalposts are always moving when it comes to him
Tony Romo is one of the biggest reasons  
arnief : 11/24/2014 12:52 pm : link
the Giants won two of their four Super Bowls. He's really clutch. He retired Bill Parcells right before Dallas had the best team in the NFL and gave us a playoff game vs Wade Phillips and made two of the most famous over throws in Giants history to the Dallas turf. Add in Rex Ryan covering up the trophy wall and they should be the first two non Giants in the Giants Ring of Honor.
well now  
Route 9 in LEH : 11/24/2014 12:52 pm : link
I can sleep well tonight. Glad that was all cleared up.
What would Romo need to do from this point in his career  
Blue Baller : 11/24/2014 12:53 pm : link
to be considered for the HOF?

Would 1 ring with a strong/dominant playoff performance do it?

Also - do you think Witten is a first ballot HOFer? (clearly he is getting in)
and Romo is a fantastic QB no question  
Route 9 in LEH : 11/24/2014 12:54 pm : link
and having 7.5 seconds to throw will only add to it
Especially when you give him all day to throw  
jeff57 : 11/24/2014 12:54 pm : link
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Funny what  
BP in NJ : 11/24/2014 12:54 pm : link
happens when you spend three first round picks in a row building your Offensive line...
RE: What would Romo need to do from this point in his career  
Sly Guy : 11/24/2014 12:55 pm : link
In comment 11998005 Blue Baller said:
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to be considered for the HOF?

Would 1 ring with a strong/dominant playoff performance do it?

Also - do you think Witten is a first ballot HOFer? (clearly he is getting in)


I don't think he's anywhere close to being in the HOF even with a Super Bowl win this year.
RE: anish  
AnishPatel : 11/24/2014 12:56 pm : link
In comment 11997993 MarshallOnMontana said:
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He has the rep because fans are idiots. Its certainly not fact based. Everyone has big spot failures, people just choose to never forget his. Fact is in a close game in the 4th quarter he is absolutely not theguy you want to see

now im sure ill read that last nights drive really want a clutch spot. Even though im sure if he threw a pick no one would stop screaming choke. The goalposts are always moving when it comes to him


He has that rep because in big spots, in front of the nation, he has fucked up. He has done very good things too, but if you're a QB for Americas team you are going to have extra attention put on you.

He is a damn good QB, but his mistakes in big spots, have stuck with him as a bad label. If he can win a SB, then I think that erases all. It probably then turns the conversation to, Is Romo a HOFer then?

I don't see yesterdays game has a huge game for them as in playoff, or win and get into the playoffs type game. Sure, if he threw a pick people would laugh. But I think the pressure will be more for the playoffs. If they have to play the Eagles again or another team with the division on the line, then it will be interesting to see.
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arcarsenal : 11/24/2014 12:56 pm : link
I'd certainly love to see Eli behind the line he has, but.. we're pretty far from that.
Just goes to show you how powerful those narratives can be.  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2014 12:57 pm : link
Whatever doesn't support the "fourth quarter choke artist" argument is quickly forgotten, while the big interceptions are fixated upon.

Tom Coughlin developed a rep as a coach that players hate, so whenever the team hits the skids it always because "Tom Coughlin has lost the locker room!!" Even last week Pierce and Tiki went there - 10 years (and two Super Bowls) after TC's player-friendly adjustments have been well-documented.

Red Sox throw $90 million at Hanley Ramirez, then $90 million more at Pablo Sandoval?? Doesn't matter, they're the underdog "Little Engine That Could" that's always just defending itself against the bullies.

Happens in politics, too. I heard Rudy Giuliani talking about it once. His rep was that he had a temper. Whenever he got angry at a presser, the media pounced on him. If he got his facts wrong about an issue, they didn't say a word because he had never been labeled as stupid.
i love that arneif post  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 12:57 pm : link
I love the idiocy behind blaming romo for the 2011 loss at dallas because of the austin throw. All he does is have an amazing game, capped off by leading dallas into fg range with like 40 seconds and no timeouts, before jpp blocks the kick. They lose 37-34 and its on the qb

sports fans in this country are idiots. And tony romo is a top 5 case as to why
In this regard, I see him as a poor man's Peyton Manning.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/24/2014 12:59 pm : link
He's been a top-ten QB for close to a decade, and has had an excellent career. I also think he's tougher than he gets credit for.

It's just hard to overlook the bizarre f*ck-ups in his biggest games. They are the biggest reason he has left such a shallow imprint on the game, and will probably be remembered as more Danny White than Roger Staubach or Troy Aikman - fairly or not.

For what it's worth, I didn't think last night was one of his finer moments. If he had played the way he's capable of playing when fully healthy, the Cowboys might have hung 50 on our sorry defense.
so  
Route 9 in LEH : 11/24/2014 1:01 pm : link
Romo is a good QB?
Romo is good  
bradshaw44 : 11/24/2014 1:02 pm : link
but any quarterback that can't complete a pass with 6.5 seconds to throw has got issues.
Everyone's a chocker... until they aren't anymore.  
Enoch : 11/24/2014 1:02 pm : link
Guys like Peyton, Elway, and Favre all got dissed for their lack of clutch performance... until they won their first championship.

Just more evidence that sports discourse is 98% dumb as shit.
your stats also  
GIANTSr01 : 11/24/2014 1:03 pm : link
omit his fumbled FG snap that cost them a game...
they dont omit  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:09 pm : link
A single snap he has taken as a qb since 2006, which seems just a bit more worthwhile and telling a sample to me than a snap as a holder in 2006

The conversations surrounding this guy are absurd
RE: Everyone's a chocker... until they aren't anymore.  
bceagle05 : 11/24/2014 1:09 pm : link
In comment 11998057 Enoch said:
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Guys like Peyton, Elway, and Favre all got dissed for their lack of clutch performance... until they won their first championship.

Just more evidence that sports discourse is 98% dumb as shit.


Don't forget the coaches, too. Even college coaches get raked over the coals - Boeheim, Calipari, Self, Roy Williams - all couldn't win the big one until they won the big one.
they dont omit  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:10 pm : link
A single snap he has taken as a qb since 2006, which seems just a bit more worthwhile and telling a sample to me than a snap as a holder in 2006

The conversations surrounding this guy are absurd
MoM: I disasgree with you about the 2011 loss to the Giants.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/24/2014 1:13 pm : link
Romo had a shattered Giant defense flat on the canvas, and couldn't put them away. The 4 TDs in the first 57 minutes of that game don't mean sh!t.

If you're going to give Romo a pass for that loss, you might as well say Kerry Collins deserved another contract from the Giants. Kerry's performance in the Candlestick meltdown closely resembled Romo's 2011 game against NYG (right down to the final, ill-fated FG drive), and Collins was far from the biggest problem in 2003.
bbb  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:19 pm : link
What? He delivered them a 12 point lead with 5 minutes left after the td pass to dez. And after that point threw 1 incomplete pass that wasnt a spike. He led them into game tying fg range with no timeouts. Didnt turn the ball over at all. Its a massive stretch to compare it to collins (who i wouldnt crush either, but romo is even less deserving of heat for his game)

Romo was terrific that night. The fact that some continue to crush him for that just shows the conversation around this player will always be silly
bbb  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:20 pm : link
What? He delivered them a 12 point lead with 5 minutes left after the td pass to dez. And after that point threw 1 incomplete pass that wasnt a spike. He led them into game tying fg range with no timeouts. Didnt turn the ball over at all. Its a massive stretch to compare it to collins (who i wouldnt crush either, but romo is even less deserving of heat for his game)

Romo was terrific that night. The fact that some continue to crush him for that just shows the conversation around this player will always be silly
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Route 9 in LEH : 11/24/2014 1:22 pm : link
So Romo is a good QB?
Tremendous regular season QB  
Overseer : 11/24/2014 1:23 pm : link
minimal post-season success. Both facts and he is judged accordingly. The anti-Eli in that regard.

Romo is 1-3 in the playoffs. The "he's not clutch" label is evidence of laziness but there are justifiable reasons people are not wow'd by Tony Romo.
the playoff sample  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:27 pm : link
For both eli and romo, (but especially romo) is way too small to act like they cant be prone to a high degree of randomness. Its a big mistake to start extrapolating absolutes based on 4 games of play.
and yeah yeah  
Route 9 in LEH : 11/24/2014 1:28 pm : link
Romo threw for 506 and 5 TDs vs Denver in 2013 but it's about the pick in OT.

Do you just get enjoyment out of playing Mr debate by bringig up pro Romo arguments on BBI or do you really like Romo that much? It's just weird. Not to say that I agree with one side or the other, but my fucking God what is the point of this?
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christian : 11/24/2014 1:28 pm : link
Every broadcast goes into how his 4th/OT numbers are great and don't support him being a choker.

Again, I know no fans outside of BBI who think he's not a good end of game player.

The argument is not whether he is clutch, it's if he is a winner.

He's won a single playoff game in his career and has spent the better part of the decade losing win and in games. He's what 1-6 in do or die football?

The argument of clutch is silly, he's great at the end of games. He's done it to us plenty. But until he wins in January he's not going to get lauded for coming up big.
team game  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:30 pm : link
If patrick crayton isnt dropping big passes and quitting on routes on jan 13 2008, i wonder how different the convo is
I had to log on just to say this:  
RIZZBIZZ : 11/24/2014 1:31 pm : link
FUCK HIM
Let him win at least 1 more meaningful game  
Headhunter : 11/24/2014 1:33 pm : link
At the end of they he has 1 Playoff game win on his resume and 3 loses. If he played his career with say the Bears with the same numbers he would be viewed as a Jay Cutler type
if Romo wants to change perception  
GIANTSr01 : 11/24/2014 1:34 pm : link
he's got 2 upcoming games on national TV against the Eagles.
If Tony Romo was the QB of the Giants...  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2014 1:34 pm : link
he'd be getting absolutely roasted by fans here, year in, year out.

I agree, most sports fans are idiots.
MoM: I think you're over-rating Romo's performance that night.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/24/2014 1:36 pm : link
Consider the opponent, and how bad the Giants had looked the previous month, especially on defense. They couldn't stop anyone - not even Vince Young. All things considered, Kerry's game at Candlestick was more impressive. On the road, in the playoffs, he pitched a nearly perfect game, aside from Shockey's disastrous drop and one early fastball off Dayne's hands. He also drove for the potential winning field goal twice, only to have the Giants' special teams blow both.
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christian : 11/24/2014 1:36 pm : link
Yeah Joe, if the things that didn't happen, did happen, perception would be different. Is that where this is going?
giantsr01  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:40 pm : link
Romo could play lights out and win the division going away, it will be forgotten the second dallas falls short of winning a sb, whether its romos fault or not it will go on his record as another example of him choking. And thats even if he loses 37-34 with 4 td vs 0 ints and leads his team into game tying fg range only to have it blocked. And sadly thats not an exaggeration

RE: team game  
Overseer : 11/24/2014 1:41 pm : link
In comment 11998153 MarshallOnMontana said:
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If patrick crayton isnt dropping big passes and quitting on routes on jan 13 2008, i wonder how different the convo is

Dude, you hammered me and another poster for making effectively this same argument about Lebron's second ring and Ray Allen's "miracle" 3 at the end of game 6.

They're judged on what happens not the ifs and would have/should haves. He did drop the passes. Allen did sink the 3. And the rings went to the teams that won those games.
RE: giantsr01  
jcn56 : 11/24/2014 1:41 pm : link
In comment 11998187 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Romo could play lights out and win the division going away, it will be forgotten the second dallas falls short of winning a sb, whether its romos fault or not it will go on his record as another example of him choking. And thats even if he loses 37-34 with 4 td vs 0 ints and leads his team into game tying fg range only to have it blocked. And sadly thats not an exaggeration


Is that only Romo though? Isn't the same applicable to Eli, and a host of other QBs? Not too long ago, the pundits were writing off Tom Brady and were ready to ship Drew Brees out of town.
please list  
natefit : 11/24/2014 1:42 pm : link
the BIG games he's won...
he's been  
Les in TO : 11/24/2014 1:42 pm : link
very clutch in the regular season, not do much in the post season. let's see how he handles the pressure cooker come january.
bbb  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:45 pm : link
What is there to knock romo for that night? The entire basis for criticism stems from one incomplete pass, which was literally the only incomplete pass he threw in the 4th quarter if we discount clock killing spikes. He had more td passes in the 4th than incomplete passes. Thats the margin for error you and some others allow him before youre ready to pounce for him "letting the giants off the hook".
RE: giantsr01  
GIANTSr01 : 11/24/2014 1:45 pm : link
In comment 11998187 MarshallOnMontana said:
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(insert QB) could play lights out and win the division going away, it will be forgotten the second (insert team) falls short of winning a sb, whether its romos fault or not it will go on his record as another example of him choking. And thats even if he loses 37-34 with 4 td vs 0 ints and leads his team into game tying fg range only to have it blocked. And sadly thats not an exaggeration


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