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Tony Romo is unbelievably underrated in clutch spots

MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 12:41 pm
Last night was one of another million examples that everyone will forget the next time he throws a big pick. People will point, and laugh, and engage in errant group think about how much of a "choker" he is, despite the fact that facts make that assertion look ridiculous.

Click the link below. Then under the section "304 quarterbacks" click show all for a list of every qbs numbers since 1998 when the score is within 7 points in the 4th quarter. There is literally not a soul he takes a backseat to. I know his team is light on playoff success, but people need to stop making themselves look stupid with the choker crap

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I'd say Romo is more similar  
Route 9 in LEH : 11/24/2014 1:46 pm : link
to Philip Rivers but with the edge going to Rivers in career numbers and playoff games won. Compare those two and have a field day.
Poor, poor Tony  
Headhunter : 11/24/2014 1:49 pm : link
If Dallas loses in the Playoffs and it is not Tony's"fault" the loss goes to him and that's all people will remember. I will play the World's Smallest violin if that happens while you cry crocodile tears for Romo
A particular poster  
Randy in CT : 11/24/2014 1:49 pm : link
fellating any QB not named Eli? Shocking!~
I look at it like this....  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2014 1:50 pm : link
Giants fans don't seem to be happy with the two Superbowl runs. That isn't enough for them. It's what have you done lately, right?

I get you're trying to point out that Romo is underrated, but just going by the standards that Eli is held to by Giants fans... Romo's 3 playoff seasons with only a 1-3 record is a tough sell, no matter what the statistics say.
This isn't baseball  
Go Terps : 11/24/2014 1:50 pm : link
Careers in football can be defined by a few critical moments. John Elway basically confirmed this in "America's Game". He was on his way to being defined as the guy that couldn't win the Super Bowl.

Dan Marino was a better pure thrower than anyone that's played since him, and possibly the best passer ever, and he will forever be remembered for never winning a title, fair or not.

Right now the same applies to Romo. Unless things change he is going to be marked forever by the fumbled snap and the crucial interceptions. That's just the way it is...driving the field to beat a dogshit Giants team isn't gonna erase that.
overseer  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:50 pm : link
I dont see any similarities whatsoever between those 2 conversations. I have no desire to derail this with the several reasons why
I would love  
Mr. Nickels : 11/24/2014 1:53 pm : link
to see how "unbelievably clutch" Romo is behind our offensive line.

the next time randy in ct  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:55 pm : link
Offers anything to any thread other than his miserable, snarky existence will be the first. Gotta be one of the bottom 3 posters on bbi. Never added a thing to a sports related discussion. Just a bipolar, middle aged giants cheerleader
RE: This isn't baseball  
GIANTSr01 : 11/24/2014 1:55 pm : link
In comment 11998227 Go Terps said:
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Careers in football can be defined by a few critical moments. John Elway basically confirmed this in "America's Game". He was on his way to being defined as the guy that couldn't win the Super Bowl.

Dan Marino was a better pure thrower than anyone that's played since him, and possibly the best passer ever, and he will forever be remembered for never winning a title, fair or not.

Right now the same applies to Romo. Unless things change he is going to be marked forever by the fumbled snap and the crucial interceptions. That's just the way it is...driving the field to beat a dogshit Giants team isn't gonna erase that.


Ironically, "Mr. Stat" hates the one sport where a players impact can be easily broken down and accurately judged by stats...
RE: A particular poster  
Route 9 in LEH : 11/24/2014 1:56 pm : link
In comment 11998225 Randy in CT said:
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fellating any QB not named Eli? Shocking!~


Nah. He's does this quite often, especially on Romo and how hockey ratings stink
the best comparison for randy  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 1:57 pm : link
A poor mans fat man in charlotte
im not all about stats  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 2:01 pm : link
But those who consistently dismiss them outright are the lowest form of sports fans. And they love their stats too, dont get it twisted. theyre just simpler stats to understand, like ring count. Because there is a high correlation between those who shit on numbers and those who are just ring counting cavemen. You rarely need to use more than 1 hand, its easy
Tony Romo is a good QB  
Bradshaw #44 : 11/24/2014 2:02 pm : link
He does it in the months of September and December. His resume for January is a disaster. I don't care what a QB does in the regular season, he needs to show up in the playoffs for me.

RE: im not all about stats  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2014 2:03 pm : link
In comment 11998280 MarshallOnMontana said:
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But those who consistently dismiss them outright are the lowest form of sports fans. And they love their stats too, dont get it twisted. theyre just simpler stats to understand, like ring count. Because there is a high correlation between those who shit on numbers and those who are just ring counting cavemen. You rarely need to use more than 1 hand, its easy


Joe, my point isn't as much about stats as it is results.

I mean, despite Romo's seemingly outstanding QB performance over the years, where are the results?

3 playoff seasons and a 1-3 record, one and done in two of them, wouldn't exactly endear him to our fanbase if he was our QB, would it?
Not only is Romo underrated in clutch situations  
Headhunter : 11/24/2014 2:04 pm : link
he is unbelievably underrated. You try to think of someone underrated and you think of Tony Romo and you couldn't possibly believe how underrated he is. Your mind does not have that capacity
I guess what I mean is that...  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2014 2:04 pm : link
those results wouldn't feel very clutch to me, as a fan.
RE: RE: im not all about stats  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2014 2:05 pm : link
In comment 11998290 Britt in VA said:
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In comment 11998280 MarshallOnMontana said:


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But those who consistently dismiss them outright are the lowest form of sports fans. And they love their stats too, dont get it twisted. theyre just simpler stats to understand, like ring count. Because there is a high correlation between those who shit on numbers and those who are just ring counting cavemen. You rarely need to use more than 1 hand, its easy



Joe, my point isn't as much about stats as it is results.

I mean, despite Romo's seemingly outstanding QB performance over the years, where are the results?

3 playoff seasons and a 1-3 record, one and done in two of them, wouldn't exactly endear him to our fanbase if he was our QB, would it?


Well, shit, all I hear from the Eli Defense Society is how none of the Giants' horrific results are ever his fault because the defense and OL sucks. Romo's played most of his career with terrible OLs and defenses. Does that count for anything?
RE: RE: RE: im not all about stats  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2014 2:06 pm : link
In comment 11998297 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 11998290 Britt in VA said:


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In comment 11998280 MarshallOnMontana said:


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But those who consistently dismiss them outright are the lowest form of sports fans. And they love their stats too, dont get it twisted. theyre just simpler stats to understand, like ring count. Because there is a high correlation between those who shit on numbers and those who are just ring counting cavemen. You rarely need to use more than 1 hand, its easy



Joe, my point isn't as much about stats as it is results.

I mean, despite Romo's seemingly outstanding QB performance over the years, where are the results?

3 playoff seasons and a 1-3 record, one and done in two of them, wouldn't exactly endear him to our fanbase if he was our QB, would it?



Well, shit, all I hear from the Eli Defense Society is how none of the Giants' horrific results are ever his fault because the defense and OL sucks. Romo's played most of his career with terrible OLs and defenses. Does that count for anything?


I just think it's a weird dynamic that we have a thread on a Giants forum praising Tony Romo for being clutch while we have countless threads that want to trade or cut our guy.

Very strange dynamic.
went to the Cowboy Stadium last September  
Route 9 in LEH : 11/24/2014 2:07 pm : link
for the game. Got a tour of the whole place, everything was dynasty and no Romo. I think there were two Wittens in there. Jerry must be saying something and making his statement with the decor.
MoM  
Overseer : 11/24/2014 2:07 pm : link
I'll respect your wishes, but don't ever find convincing the "if" arguments (though I fall for them myself sometimes).

If Matt Dodge kicks the ball outta bounds... He didn't, the Giants choked, the Packers win the WC instead and win the Super Bowl. The "what if" can be interesting to examine but is completely irrelevant when writing history.
And I actually think Romo is good...  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2014 2:07 pm : link
and probably lean more towards Joe in my opinion of him.

But yeah, you can use this to fuel your Eli agenda, Greg.
His ability  
old man : 11/24/2014 2:09 pm : link
to elude sacks and run to an open spot to throw, or to run, is amazing.
If he had Eli's feet he'd be dead or out of the league by now.
^ that backwards spin that Romo does  
Overseer : 11/24/2014 2:11 pm : link
to avoid a sure-sack is phenomenal. Has extended countless drives.
I'll be very glad when Romo is out of the division..  
Sean : 11/24/2014 2:12 pm : link
he's a pain in the ass.
Tony Romo has played  
dep026 : 11/24/2014 2:14 pm : link
with some quality lineman throughout his career. Obviously, his line the last few years has been very, very good. But guys like Gurorde and Adams were 5x pro bowlers and Davis was a 3x pro bowler.
any poster that  
Bradshaw #44 : 11/24/2014 2:15 pm : link
brings in "what if" is backpedaling. Give me facts to back up your statement.
britt  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 2:16 pm : link
You know what the strange dynamic is? The fact that we cant ever discuss another qb on this site without someone bringing it back to eli. Or the fact that the mere existence of a positive romo thread is seen as a shot at eli

some of you....
RE: britt  
dep026 : 11/24/2014 2:18 pm : link
In comment 11998345 MarshallOnMontana said:
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You know what the strange dynamic is? The fact that we cant ever discuss another qb on this site without someone bringing it back to eli. Or the fact that the mere existence of a positive romo thread is seen as a shot at eli

some of you....


The one thing that I would tie Eli, Romo, and Rivers is that they are all very tough QBs. Romo has missed some games but that was a broken clavicle and a broken back. Eli And Rivers have never missed a start. Thats pretty impressive in today;s game.
RE: britt  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2014 2:19 pm : link
In comment 11998345 MarshallOnMontana said:
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You know what the strange dynamic is? The fact that we cant ever discuss another qb on this site without someone bringing it back to eli. Or the fact that the mere existence of a positive romo thread is seen as a shot at eli

some of you....


No, see... You're missing my point. My ONLY reason to bring Eli into this, is to illustrate the expectations we put on our QB.

And so I'm asking... Would Romo's 3 playoff seasons and 1-3 record be enough to appease you, as a fan?
RE: I'll be very glad when Romo is out of the division..  
That Said : 11/24/2014 2:20 pm : link
In comment 11998326 Sean said:
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he's a pain in the ass.


Yeah. Witten, too.
MoM: In 2011, Romo could have put the Giants away in the 3rd quarter.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/24/2014 2:21 pm : link
Instead, Dallas settled for a field goal and a punt.

Go back to the first quarter. The Cowboys' first two possessions in that game resulted in a punt and a safety.

You make it sound as though Romo was lights-out all night. He was very, very good on several drives, but it was partly his fault that a teetering Giant team, with a completely demoralized defense, hung around long enough for that fourth-quarter overthrow to matter.
RE: britt  
drkenneth : 11/24/2014 2:22 pm : link
In comment 11998345 MarshallOnMontana said:
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You know what the strange dynamic is? The fact that we cant ever discuss another qb on this site without someone bringing it back to eli. Or the fact that the mere existence of a positive romo thread is seen as a shot at eli

some of you....


No. It's the fact that every time Eli throws a pass, or has a loose stool, there is 100 threads analyzing it. Shit- There are multiple threads wanting him traded. It seems that very few people actually value him. This is a 2x Super Bowl champ, and BTW- Is the best player on the team, and people shit all over him.

Romo hasn't won shit, and up pops a thread stroking him. I think Romo is a very good QB, but you need to win the big game.

It's that simple.

Always been a fan of Romo's talent.  
Mike in Long Beach : 11/24/2014 2:24 pm : link
That said,

The 1 career playoff win is a huge black mark though, Joe... and disregarding it is an equally bad offense when compared to those who disregard his brilliant statistics in close 4th quarter games.

As of now, it's primarily what keeps him out of Hall of Fame discussions he'd normally be in, and rightfully so.
I think it's pretty clear that Odell Beckham is the best player on the  
Greg from LI : 11/24/2014 2:24 pm : link
team at the moment.
What Britt said-  
drkenneth : 11/24/2014 2:24 pm : link
It's this "Anybody but Eli" view of QBs.
RE: I think it's pretty clear that Odell Beckham is the best player on the  
drkenneth : 11/24/2014 2:25 pm : link
In comment 11998368 Greg from LI said:
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team at the moment.


So Eli is 2nd best. Is that accurate?
bbb  
MarshallOnMontana : 11/24/2014 2:27 pm : link
So the knock is that he should have gone 6 tds vs 0 picks and scored 48 points. I guess you are right. He could have had one of the greatest nights in the history of organized football as opposed to just a normal great game.

The Giants defense last night late in the game  
Sneakers O'toole : 11/24/2014 2:28 pm : link
did not challenge him. They got no pass rush, missed tackles, and simply did not get the job done. He put together a strong drive against what I hate to say but it's true, is lower competition. The guy had enough time in the pocket to cook himself dinner.
RE: the next time randy in ct  
Bradshaw #44 : 11/24/2014 2:28 pm : link
In comment 11998250 MarshallOnMontana said:
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Offers anything to any thread other than his miserable, snarky existence will be the first. Gotta be one of the bottom 3 posters on bbi. Never added a thing to a sports related discussion. Just a bipolar, middle aged giants cheerleader


The giants don't have cheerleaders. lol
Question remains unanswered....  
Britt in VA : 11/24/2014 2:31 pm : link
Is 1-3 in the playoffs good enough for you as a fan?

Are you satisfied with the fact that Romo is clutch if he's your QB and that's your team with only three playoff apperances in 8 years, two one and dones?

Does Romo get a pass from you?
and...  
Bradshaw #44 : 11/24/2014 2:32 pm : link
anybody patting Romo on the back after last night against this pathetic defense is mind numbing to me. 8 seconds to pass on separate plays and now that is considered clutch?

Somebody is a closet Romo / Cowboy fan.
Romo is a talented QB  
Sneakers O'toole : 11/24/2014 2:32 pm : link
He always has been. But clutch is not the word I would use to describe him. Last night certainly isn't an example of clutch.
Nothing bad that happened to the Cowboys  
Headhunter : 11/24/2014 2:33 pm : link
under Romo was Romo's fault.
Romo isn't bad. He's been a good not great QB.  
Victor in CT : 11/24/2014 2:34 pm : link
As far as the choker tag, I think a lot of it stems from the botched FG vs. Seattle.
He also hit Sam Madison between the numbers  
Headhunter : 11/24/2014 2:35 pm : link
in the end zone driving for the go ahead score
RE: He also hit Sam Madison between the numbers  
Victor in CT : 11/24/2014 2:36 pm : link
In comment 11998404 Headhunter said:
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in the end zone driving for the go ahead score


That ball was right on the button as far as I'm concerned! :-)
That was RW McQuarters  
Go Terps : 11/24/2014 2:37 pm : link
I don't know how a Giants fan gets that wrong.
Romo and Eli share some DNA at the position  
Sneakers O'toole : 11/24/2014 2:38 pm : link
They both press when plays aren't there. And they both make big things happen. Sometimes good things, sometimes bad things. But they share that makeup. They both press when a play falls apart.

I'd take Eli over Romo everytime. But Romo has talent.
RE: That was RW McQuarters  
That Said : 11/24/2014 2:38 pm : link
In comment 11998410 Go Terps said:
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I don't know how a Giants fan gets that wrong.


Beat me to it.
Yes it was  
Headhunter : 11/24/2014 2:39 pm : link
I'll turn in my Giant fan card for that mistake
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