Tony Romo is unbelievably underrated in clutch spots

we all make little mistakes like that. I'm pretty sure headhunter is a real fan

Their 2007 team was really good. I actually thought they outplayed us in that Divisional game.

His playoff performance actually isn't that bad outside of the Viking game a couple of years back. Wins are a team effort.

Teams win and lose as a franchise.

Ive watched the overwhelming majority of dallas games since romo became the starter. And if you are of the opinion that romo has held this team back from heights they could have otherwise reached with a replacement level qb instead, we're just going to have to disagree.

he has had some down moments at inopportune times to be sure, but game in game out, season in season out he is one of the best in the game. And that says a lot more about what a guy is than selected small samples prone to randomness. You are what you consistently do

Does the same not apply to Eli?

If youre talking about my last paragraph to britt, sure. You and i might have a different take about exactly what that means though. In any case, its absolutely not surprising whatsoever that people are trying to turn this into eli v romo, because a thread about another qb would not be complete without him needlessly being compared favorably ad nausem

In comment 11998425 BrettNYG10 said:

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Their 2007 team was really good. I actually thought they outplayed us in that Divisional game. His playoff performance actually isn't that bad outside of the Viking game a couple of years back. Wins are a team effort.

Marion Barber was a freight train in the first half of that game.

People also forget how huge the drive Eli led right before half was to tie it at 14.

71 yard drive in about 35 seconds capped off with a Toomer TD.

that Romo made. Eli to Tyree, ELi to Manningham are throws for the ages. I can't think of 1 signature Romo throw. But truth be told I haven't watched the great majority of Romo's games

Unless they happen in a sb

Romo has a penchant for throwing backbreaking INT's in the final three minutes of a game, and has developed a reputation for it, right, wrong, or indifferent.

That shouldn't undo all of the good he does otherwise, and I agree there's a lot, but he has a history of nationally televised game ending plays.

I know because I've see a bunch of them over the years.

I'll take a great throw he made in the Playoffs that made you sit up and say wow that was a special throw

In comment 11998445 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 11998425 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: Their 2007 team was really good. I actually thought they outplayed us in that Divisional game. His playoff performance actually isn't that bad outside of the Viking game a couple of years back. Wins are a team effort. Marion Barber was a freight train in the first half of that game. People also forget how huge the drive Eli led right before half was to tie it at 14. 71 yard drive in about 35 seconds capped off with a Toomer TD.

Yeah, Barber was amazing. That Dallas team was fucking good.

Eli had some great plays that game.

I felt like we could have beaten Green Bay and New England by 10+ points but got a few unfortunate breaks (namely, the Smith INT and Eli to Burress miss in the SB). The Cowboys played us best IMO.

have mostly done right by Romo and put him in a position to succeed. This year's playoffs will say a lot about the guy because his team is just stacked with even a mediocre on paper defense playing decent football. And the NFC outside of GB is unimpressive. If Sea or SF or Det bounces Dallas in the divisional round, it will further cement the stereotype that follows Romo.

Like Peyton with Harrison/Wayne, Romo has been fortunate to have an uninterrupted massive security blanket with Witten who will probably go down as a top 10 (5?) TE in NFL history. Witten has missed 0, yes 0, games since his rookie season. At a really physical position. Mind-boggling. Talk about Giant killers players you want out of the division. A 3rd rounder to boot.

Actually the point is that no, he does not have that penchant of throwing back breaking picks late in close games any more than anyone else. And that he is in fact better in those spots than anyone seems to believe, in fact comparable in those spots to anyone. And yes, there is evidence proving this. See the link. I know theyre just numbers, and if its a number that has nothing to do with ring count some have trouble processing it. But hes stumbled his way totally by fluke into a career 100 plus passer rating in 4th quarter 1 possession games

To support your position.

Is Romo's notoriety really based on his 4th quarter performance alone? Of course not. It's largely based on his playoff performance and end of season games determining whether or not his team makes the playoffs.

You want to claim the playoff sample size is too small? Tony has had multiple opportunities to increase that sample size.

Not sure how much has changed since then, better or worse.

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Tony Romo became the 15th player in NFL history to throw for 500 yards in a game on Sunday, breaking Don Meredith's Cowboys record for a single game. However, a fourth-quarter interception set the Broncos up to pull out an epic 51-48 win.

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Dr. Romo Despite the late mistake Sunday, Romo had arguably the best game by a quarterback in a loss this season. No quarterback has posted a higher QBR in a defeat this season than his 92.1 yesterday. Since he entered the league, Romo has consistently put up some of the best numbers in the NFL. Romo has 19 game-winning drives in the fourth quarter or overtime, tied for fifth-most since he took over the starting job in 2006. He has a career 68.7 QBR in the 4th quarter - only Peyton Manning and Aaron Rodgers are better since 2006. Highest QBR in fourth Quarter - Since 2006 Peyton Manning 86.5 Aaron Rodgers 75.4 Tony Romo 68.7 Drew Brees 67.6 *Minimum 300 action plays This season, Romo is second in the NFL with 13 touchdown passes. And only Peyton Manning has fewer interceptions among quarterbacks with at least 30 pass attempts per.

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Romo-coaster Despite his overall success, the other side of the coin for Dr. Romo is that sickening feeling he often leaves Cowboys fans late in games – something we’ll refer to as the Romo-coaster. Romo's lone interception Sunday was the 23rd fourth-quarter interception of his career. The Cowboys have lost the last eight games in which Romo has thrown a fourth-quarter interception, with six of those losses coming by seven points or fewer. Since 2010, Romo's Total QBR in the first 12 minutes of the fourth quarter/OT is 80. That's second-best in the NFL behind Peyton Manning. However, his QBR drops to a below-average 44 in the game's final three minutes. Most INT in 4th Quarter or OT Score Tied or Leading by 7 or Fewer Tony Romo 8 Tom Brady 7 Matt Ryan 7 Matt Schaub 6 Chad Henne 6 *Since Tony Romo’s 1st Season (2006) And he's not only making these mistakes as the Cowboys attempt to rally from late deficits. Eight of Romo's fourth-quarter interceptions have come with the Cowboys tied or leading by one score - that's the most in the NFL in that span. Those give opposing teams life when Dallas should have been icing the win. Sunday's interception was particularly painful, dropping the chances for a Cowboys win by 26 percentage points. That was the second worst interception of Week 5 in terms of a single play costing a team’s chances at victory behind Blaine Gabbert’s pick-six for Jacksonville, but that play came in the first half so Gabbert’s team still had an opportunity to overcome that drop.

ESPN: The Two Faces of Tony Romo 10/7/13 - ( New Window )

With statistics to back it up.

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In comment 11998498 armsteadeatslittlekids said:

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Me too.

but he is thought of fairly overall. Talented but an under achiever. He will have a chance to change that perception in the Playoffs

His ability to move in the pocket and throw on the run makes him very dangerous in those situations. We've seen that firsthand several times as Giants fans. Saying anything else is just incorrect.

My initial post provides a much bigger sample than your link, which seemed artfully crafted as a sample in order to paint romo in the worst light possible, why since 2010? And how about we update those numbers to include the last calendar year. Link below. Eli has just as many ints as romo in those spots since 2010, with about half as many touchdowns. Neither leads the league. Romos overall play in those spots since 2010 is among the nfls best, just like it is since 06, or wherever you want to make the sample
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Because he drove the field against the 32nd ranked defense in the league this year..one that is on the precipice of an historically bad season...

Yes Romo is a good QB who has been a pretty clutch over the course of his career in the regular season but has Beene awful in the post season..in fact would have been run out on a rail by now in NY...

And he has had a tremendous supporting cast over the course of his career..

some unwarranted shit, partly because he's the Cowboys QB and is under a microscope. That said:

"since 1998 when the score is within 7 points in the 4th quarter"

seems like a bit of a narrow, artificially manufactured category to put Romo in the best light possible.

He's made some big mistakes in the 3rd quarter, which wouldn't fall into this category.

He's made some bad mistakes when his team was down 7-10 points in the 4th quarter, which also wouldn't fall into this category.

And he's also made some bad plays when his team was protecting a small lead late in games -- those also wouldn't fall into this category.

And if passer rating is the key statistic of focus here, that doesn't account for when he fumbles in a big spot (which he did late in the division title game in 2011).

And why 1998? What's so special about that year?

I just believe that the more parameters you inject into a category, the less meaningful (and reliable) the data become, when it comes to something like gauging a quarterback in football. ESPN has made a bit of a trashy art form out of the "obscure statistical category," and it ends up not telling a reliable story -- just a manufactured narrative for a broadcast (or article).

In comment 11998565 MarshallOnMontana said:

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My initial post provides a much bigger sample than your link, which seemed artfully crafted as a sample in order to paint romo in the worst light possible, why since 2010? And how about we update those numbers to include the last calendar year. Link below. Eli has just as many ints as romo in those spots since 2010, with about half as many touchdowns. Neither leads the league. Romos overall play in those spots since 2010 is among the nfls best, just like it is since 06, or wherever you want to make the sample ink - ( New Window )

I didn't write the article, Joe.

One big difference between Eli and Romo "since 2010" is that Eli was 4-0 in the playoffs, which goes back to my original point of....

Is Romo's no shows in the playoffs, since 2010, acceptable to you as a fan despite his statistics. Would you defend him if he was the QB of your team and the results were the same?

Just happens to be the first year they can truly track this data through play by play

and you can compare romo at any point of any game and he would compare favorably among those in his time period. Hes one of the better qbs of the era whether people want to credit him for it or not.

did he make his teammates better or was he better because of his teammates. His surrounding talent cannot be questioned. HOFs, perennial pro bowlers. Add the fact he plays indoors for at least half his games....

I see a good QB, surrounded by upper echelon talent, who makes a lot of great plays, and a few costly ones.

In comment 11997989 Danny Kanell said:

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Romo is a very good-great QB. He's fun to make fun of but bottom line, he's a really good player.

I think this is it. We love to make fun of him because he's a Cowboy, but I think most knowledgeable fans understand how good Romo is.

There you go again. Try saying it this way...

the GIANTS went 4-0 in the playoffs. Eli was terrific, but again with tbe conflating of team success with individual greatness

to elude sacks and run to an open spot to throw, or to run, is amazing.
If he had Eli's feet he'd be dead or out of the league by now.

what more should people here do? Genuflect like you do about a guy who has 1 Playoff win on his resume? What are you expecting? everyonto have a come to Jesus moment and start posting Tony Romo should be in the Hall of Fame? You are close to fanboy territory. There is not 1 poster that doesn't give Romo props for being a good QB

you would not hold Romo accountable for missing the playoffs since 2009?

We seem to want everybody fired or cut when we've missed the playoffs every year since 2011.

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especially in November.

whether fair or unfair, he needs to go on a long playoff run to shut everyone up. Like I said, it's not fair, but the casual fan isn't going to look at these stats and accept them.

The casual fan will remember the Seattle muffed snap, the 44-6 blowout at Philly in final game of 2008, losing the final game of the year in 2011 and 2012 (in which he threw a pick late in Washington). They will remember the pick in Metlife late against the Jets to open the 2011 season.

Again, I'm not saying it's right...but that is how the casual fan will view it.

I agree with the original post and I have always been critical of the low IQ 'Romo sucks!' or 'Romo is a choker' commentary.

In comment 11998687 Sean said:

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whether fair or unfair, he needs to go on a long playoff run to shut everyone up. Like I said, it's not fair, but the casual fan isn't going to look at these stats and accept them. The casual fan will remember the Seattle muffed snap, the 44-6 blowout at Philly in final game of 2008, losing the final game of the year in 2011 and 2012 (in which he threw a pick late in Washington). They will remember the pick in Metlife late against the Jets to open the 2011 season. Again, I'm not saying it's right...but that is how the casual fan will view it. I agree with the original post and I have always been critical of the low IQ 'Romo sucks!' or 'Romo is a choker' commentary.

Good post.

in a game they absolutely had to have.

I think Romo is a very good quarterback, but he's got a bunch of brutal moments at the most critical times. That is indisputable.

And that shit will mark any player until they change it. Just the way it is.

I just feel that if he was our QB, I'd be defending him on a regular basis here, to the majority that would want him run out of town.

Does anybody disagree with that?

There's also no disputing he is what his record in big games says he is. And for the record the Giants don't win Super Bowl 42 or Super Bowl 46 without him. Stats are for losers. I'll take Eli Manning 100 out of 100 times over Tony Romo.

He's got a great O-line and running game, an all-star receiver in Bryant, an all-time tight end in Witten, and a coaching staff that's figured out play calling. No excuses now. He's a really good quarterback who has taken too much of the criticism in Dallas but has yet proven to be a big-game quarterback. He's on the clock, starting Thursday night.

The fanboys are the ones who inevitably make every qb discussion about eli manning unsolicited. The fanboys are the ones who see the mere existence of this thread as an insult to eli. Im not a romo fan or a cowboy fan

i have my favorite athletes through the years. We all do. But eli manning fandom is a religion with some of you, this doesnt even have a thing to do with eli.. This thread has gone exactly the way i expected it to. And it will go the same way tonight during a saints/ ravens game thread the second someone offers up a compliment to either qb, an eli manning comparison will inevitably unfold.

In comment 11998718 Britt in VA said:

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I just feel that if he was our QB, I'd be defending him on a regular basis here, to the majority that would want him run out of town. Does anybody disagree with that?

I agree and some here don't want to hear the Eli comparison but just look at the point of this thread. (and yes, we can discuss any QB that anybody wants to).

Romo is incredibly clutch. While we talk about all Eli's mistakes.

I agree with those who think Romo is a very good QB and is gutting through some very difficult injuries.

However, Eli 2-time SB-winning MVP.
Romo - nada.

But Romo is clutch!! (against the worst defense on the planet in his latest wowza!)

but could you pick a worst fucking time to start an all hail tony romo thread? Fucks sake...

We need to go over some NYG Dallas guidelines on BBI. Seems some of you are a little lost.

Were you really that crushed about last night that a romo thread 24 hrs later bothers you? Maybe im a bad fan, but its been a couple years since the giants could effect my mood much by a result. Ill save that for when theyre playing games that matter, not in dead end seasons where losing might actually even help spur necessary change. You are a glutton for punishment if you havent developed some type of better coping mechanism over the last 2 1/2 years.

It's unbecoming

Dont see what theyre revealing about themselves when they do. And im not just talking about a weak ass sense of humor that they should have outgrown by age 15. Im talking about the high probability that theyd love a cock up the ass

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In comment 11998889 MarshallOnMontana said:

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Were you really that crushed about last night that a romo thread 24 hrs later bothers you? Maybe im a bad fan, but its been a couple years since the giants could effect my mood much by a result. Ill save that for when theyre playing games that matter, not in dead end seasons where losing might actually even help spur necessary change. You are a glutton for punishment if you havent developed some type of better coping mechanism over the last 2 1/2 years.

I'll second that, but add this...Of all games to prop him up, why last night? I mean he had forever to throw on most plays all game and our D Sucks? It's and odd time to make this argument. Your timing on this thread is giving the impression that you have an agenda, even if you don't.

your parents must be happy they didn't waste money sending you to college and taking that Psyche 101 class

all of those game ending INT's, the playoff record, and the fact that the Cowboys haven't made the playoffs since 2009...

I just don't see how Tony is absolved of all blame in any of that.

he could throw from a rocking chair.