loompa zone defense pic was used under sheridan and now fewell....probably could have been used under lewis as well. the common denomiminator is the head coach. but let's give him an extension.
Not talked about a lot but why is it that our gunners never make a tackle. They never even contain the returner. Zoom.. fly fight by. Something else just completely mind boggling about this team during a sad season.
with a deep history of great defense were too scared to rush the passer last night. This has been a trend for the past few years with 3 man rush, bullshit pussy zone D, d-ends dropping back into pass coverage and so on and so forth. It's a fucking disgrace to the franchise, to the fans and everything big blue represents. Fewell has alot of fucking nerve with bis bullshit game plans and schemes and how in gods name does coughlin allow this shit to go on game after game after game after game after game after game....
Some of the #'s and stats in there are staggering and really highlight how bad of a team we really are and how bad we've been for a few years now. Its fucking depressing.
that's a very good point. Again and again we had 2 guys down there, but the PR would just split them and go right on by. Why can they never break down and make a friggin' tackle?
offseason where the Giants got rid of most of the defensive vets with one or two rings who had brought them so much success and respect. Tuck, Joseph, Canty (yes, Canty, do you know that he is a starting defensive end for the Ravens?), Blackburn, Boley (a LB who could blitz) and I don't know who in the secondary. Osi they let go the year before, coming off a nine sack in nine game regular season and three and a half sacks in the post-season, including the memorable strip sack of Rodgers.
If it turned out that Reese spent heavily in his first years to get the players to win the Super Bowls and eventually had to pay the piper, I could respect that.
Right now it looks like the front office went berserk, cutting players for whom we had no replacements and generally undervaluing all these respected vets who as teammates had done the incredible (or at least improbable) twice.
Most of BBI who are now calling for Reese's head approved of the transactions at the time. I bet they still would approve most of them now.
This offseason moved the Giants from a top ten team to a bottom ten team.
Boy Eric, you really can't wait to get these reviews out Â
nowadays :-). I don't blame you, you definitely don't want to be regurgitating this over Thanksgiving dinner.
Re the OL, one thing besides they obvious "they suck" is that every OL that Reese brings in is soft, not a mauler or physically punishing. This quote "Schwartz was bull-rushed twice into Eli’s face and then Jerry let his man blow by him to hit Manning." jogged my memory. When the retooling of the "Fab Five" OL began: Beatty, Baas, Brewer, Pugh, Schwartz, Walton, Richburg (though I'm not sure since his is not at his natural position), Jerry, Snyder etc. None of them are physical, brutish type players who impose their will on defenses. They are easily pushed around. The Giants need a big dose of nasty on both lines before they will ever contend again.
Thanks again for doing these reviews, I know it must be difficult during seasons like these last 2+.
Because if he is...HE allows this shit defense to exist year after year, week after week. Don't tell me that his DCs have complete control over the defensive side of this team.
The notion that Coughlin gets a pass while his coordinators take the consequences is one very significant reason why we are in this defensive mess, AND why we will be in it again as long as he is here.
Other than one season with Spags, the Giants defense under Coughlin has been poor to worse in the league and a slap in the face to the men in Blue that once held the Giants defense to higher standards of excellence on the field. It must make those men puke to watch this embarrassing mess year after year.
..they execute screens this season vs. most of the TC era, and things that were installed for very clear purposes like that 4WR bunch set and think maybe the change in OC's is delivering what it was intended to, whether you agreed with it at the time or not?
I thought the exact same thing when I watched that last touchdown.
I wonder if Fewell was proving a point about Kiwi and JPP; they aren't getting the job done. Sometimes I wonder.
Regardless, they could not get there rushing four on the previous play. So, bring 5 or 6 or 7. Do something.
Fewell's defense is based on Dick Juron's defense, which normally rushes 4. Dick Juron's defense does not want to bring more than four; that is his defense's philosophy. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that IS the philosophy of the "Tampa 2"/Chuck Noll defense - get pressure with your front 4. So, if you do not have a stellar front, it isn't going to work too well. The front office has to be on the same page as the offensive and defensive philosophies of the coaching staff.
When Coughlin hires a DC, I'm pretty sure he knows what the defensive philosophy will be. So, this passive read-and-react defense is his choice; he hired Fewell.
It is all well and good to rely on the front 4. However, QB's are throwing shorter passes and dropping back with fewer steps. You have less time
You need to adjust that occasionally by blitzing. You can not however blitz from 3 yards back. Look at teams who are very good at blitzing - they line up on the LOS and create a question of who is going to come. This defense does not blitz that we. This defense dictates nothing
Blitzing is great, but who do they have that can actually do it? Â
Blitzing is as much about schemes as players. If your scheme is to run LBs into unoccupied OL, they won't get home that much (unless it's our OL...). A good DC figures out how to free guys up, like stunts, overloads, etc. Players have to make plays, but coaches have to put them in a better situation to be effective. And if LBs aren't getting there, and Romo is in the pocket for 8 seconds, bring a corner. Bring a S. Bring everyone. You can't let a QB sit in the friggin pocket for 6+ seconds with the game on the line. No DBs could sustain coverage for that long.
Blitzing is as much about schemes as players. If your scheme is to run LBs into unoccupied OL, they won't get home that much (unless it's our OL...). A good DC figures out how to free guys up, like stunts, overloads, etc. Players have to make plays, but coaches have to put them in a better situation to be effective. And if LBs aren't getting there, and Romo is in the pocket for 8 seconds, bring a corner. Bring a S. Bring everyone. You can't let a QB sit in the friggin pocket for 6+ seconds with the game on the line. No DBs could sustain coverage for that long.
Agree with you. I just don't think they have the players, nor do I have any confidence that Perry Fool can dial up anything that would work.
5 years of Perry Fewell being here and during that time, he's probably had five games where he's blitzed heavily...and in some of those games, it has worked quite well.
I have nothing to base this on other than the fact that I've seen five years of his defenses here... I just don't think he knows how to dial up effective blitz packages. You see other teams run blitzes where there are mental breakdowns because the other team has no idea that the blitz is coming. The other team always seems to know when we are about to blitz (i.e., they see it coming and the backs and linemen aren't confused). Jimmy Johnson of the Eagles was the master of this type of confusion. Fewell seems to have none of it. What I don't get is do any of his other VERY experienced assistant coaches such as Giunta (a former DC) have any impact on this?
I actually thought the momentum of the entire game changed on the sequence when the Giants got the ball with just over 2 minutes left in the first half. We were up 21-10, just forced a 3-and-out and had the ball at the 35 with all our time outs and the 2-minute warning. A chance to put more points up, knowing we would get the ball to start the second half, too.
We had a short completion to Jennings, followed by a false start and not one but two sacks. I really thought that the ugly third quarter for our offense started right then and there, and the Cowboys became confident they could abuse our O-Line and pressure Eli. Yes, I know we had the 2 nice drives in the fourth quarter, one ending in the pick and the other giving us the lead. And the defense collapsed yet again. But that series at the end of the half set us up for a struggle.
it was weird...that was definitely the point in the game where the OL changed from one that was doing a good job to having problems. It doesn't look like Dallas did anything different. For some reason, however, this team can't seem to handle stunts.
look how DAL just shreds us. again. we have no answer and look ill-prepared to stop anything they do despite the fact we've played Garrett's offense a million times now. Same deal with Andy Reid and Chip Kelly. you would expect a base level of familiarity that just isn't there.
5 years of Perry Fewell being here and during that time, he's probably had five games where he's blitzed heavily...and in some of those games, it has worked quite well.
I have nothing to base this on other than the fact that I've seen five years of his defenses here... I just don't think he knows how to dial up effective blitz packages. You see other teams run blitzes where there are mental breakdowns because the other team has no idea that the blitz is coming. The other team always seems to know when we are about to blitz (i.e., they see it coming and the backs and linemen aren't confused). Jimmy Johnson of the Eagles was the master of this type of confusion. Fewell seems to have none of it. What I don't get is do any of his other VERY experienced assistant coaches such as Giunta (a former DC) have any impact on this?
To presuppose that a Coordinator who has been in the league for 5+ years and has a Super Bowl ring "doesn't know" how to dial up effective blitz packages doesn't make any sense. So, if the overloads and stunts aren't being utilized or if we aren't blitzing much compared to other teams, there must be a reason.
You can disagree with the reason(s), but explore the reason(s).
under the pic of our geriatric half-owner making out with the babe who looks young enough to be his grand daughter, you referred to him as robert tisch. thought it was steve. either way, dude's a PIMP.
nice writeup as always. interesting to me that you seem to be solidly in the fire fewell camp at this point, given that you've generally taken the "it's the players, stupid" approach.
I've finally given up.
Sure, poor talent will give you below average position, but not 31st. (Remember, 1/2 the teams in the league are "below average".)
Better now than later.
I'm disappointed in the first line of the review Â
I'd expect something like that from some fake tough guy hockey fans (huge hockey fan here, but hate hockey fans and their tough guy act). It's incredibly myopic. So you're saying you'd rather win a meaningless game than have your budding star rookie receiver pull of one of the best catches in NFL history? I'm sorry, if this team won a forgettable meaningless game in November against the Cowboys that would do absolutely zero for me. The catch was ODB's coming out party and should build up his confidence even more than he has, it was a big point in his career. Even if you don't want to assign that much meaning to the catch, I don't know how you'd rather win a meaningless game than see your rookie receiver pull off one of the nicest catches in NFL history. This "it's winning or nothing" attitude is fine when the win actually means anything. Right now, give me the catch.
Hmm Name one Player on this Defense thats quick and
strong enough to be an effective blitzer ?
Rather have Tuck Osi or Kiwi ?
I knew and said we would get blown out or play
tough and find a way to lose .
My biggest laugh came when McClain left his man
and basically ran into a blocker and didnt even
get his hands up . Let Hill go I know its a bad
arguement . Sign Beason but don't take a chance
on Spikes or Burfict . We have not one player on the front
7 that Impacts the Game JPP at times and he hustles
but Tyrone Smith is a manchild he got away with plenty
of holding on the inside once he grabs your jersey
he is so strong you can't pull away for anyone to
make a holding call . How many Dominate games have
you seen Kiwi have ? Anyways it was just another
sickening loss at home . Where is friggen LT when you
need him .
When we got the ball with momentom going our way Â
and field position, we both times ran into the line twice before an incomplete. Eli had been going good but we we afraid to let him air it out.Similar to our pathetic final stand. No blitz, no one rushing off the edge for a sack Like we were afraid to take chances' Everyone knew we weren't going to stop them.
Not sure why you hold Steve Tisch up for ridiucle... Â
If it turned out that Reese spent heavily in his first years to get the players to win the Super Bowls and eventually had to pay the piper, I could respect that.
Right now it looks like the front office went berserk, cutting players for whom we had no replacements and generally undervaluing all these respected vets who as teammates had done the incredible (or at least improbable) twice.
Most of BBI who are now calling for Reese's head approved of the transactions at the time. I bet they still would approve most of them now.
This offseason moved the Giants from a top ten team to a bottom ten team.
Re the OL, one thing besides they obvious "they suck" is that every OL that Reese brings in is soft, not a mauler or physically punishing. This quote "Schwartz was bull-rushed twice into Eli’s face and then Jerry let his man blow by him to hit Manning." jogged my memory. When the retooling of the "Fab Five" OL began: Beatty, Baas, Brewer, Pugh, Schwartz, Walton, Richburg (though I'm not sure since his is not at his natural position), Jerry, Snyder etc. None of them are physical, brutish type players who impose their will on defenses. They are easily pushed around. The Giants need a big dose of nasty on both lines before they will ever contend again.
Thanks again for doing these reviews, I know it must be difficult during seasons like these last 2+.
Happy Thanksgiving!
The notion that Coughlin gets a pass while his coordinators take the consequences is one very significant reason why we are in this defensive mess, AND why we will be in it again as long as he is here.
Other than one season with Spags, the Giants defense under Coughlin has been poor to worse in the league and a slap in the face to the men in Blue that once held the Giants defense to higher standards of excellence on the field. It must make those men puke to watch this embarrassing mess year after year.
I thought the exact same thing when I watched that last touchdown.
I wonder if Fewell was proving a point about Kiwi and JPP; they aren't getting the job done. Sometimes I wonder.
Regardless, they could not get there rushing four on the previous play. So, bring 5 or 6 or 7. Do something.
Fewell's defense is based on Dick Juron's defense, which normally rushes 4. Dick Juron's defense does not want to bring more than four; that is his defense's philosophy. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think that IS the philosophy of the "Tampa 2"/Chuck Noll defense - get pressure with your front 4. So, if you do not have a stellar front, it isn't going to work too well. The front office has to be on the same page as the offensive and defensive philosophies of the coaching staff.
When Coughlin hires a DC, I'm pretty sure he knows what the defensive philosophy will be. So, this passive read-and-react defense is his choice; he hired Fewell.
You need to adjust that occasionally by blitzing. You can not however blitz from 3 yards back. Look at teams who are very good at blitzing - they line up on the LOS and create a question of who is going to come. This defense does not blitz that we. This defense dictates nothing
Might want to tweak that.
Agree with you. I just don't think they have the players, nor do I have any confidence that Perry Fool can dial up anything that would work.
I have nothing to base this on other than the fact that I've seen five years of his defenses here... I just don't think he knows how to dial up effective blitz packages. You see other teams run blitzes where there are mental breakdowns because the other team has no idea that the blitz is coming. The other team always seems to know when we are about to blitz (i.e., they see it coming and the backs and linemen aren't confused). Jimmy Johnson of the Eagles was the master of this type of confusion. Fewell seems to have none of it. What I don't get is do any of his other VERY experienced assistant coaches such as Giunta (a former DC) have any impact on this?
We had a short completion to Jennings, followed by a false start and not one but two sacks. I really thought that the ugly third quarter for our offense started right then and there, and the Cowboys became confident they could abuse our O-Line and pressure Eli. Yes, I know we had the 2 nice drives in the fourth quarter, one ending in the pick and the other giving us the lead. And the defense collapsed yet again. But that series at the end of the half set us up for a struggle.
Giants tried to hire former Oregon defensive coordinator to help them beat Chip Kelly, Eagles - ( New Window )
I have nothing to base this on other than the fact that I've seen five years of his defenses here... I just don't think he knows how to dial up effective blitz packages. You see other teams run blitzes where there are mental breakdowns because the other team has no idea that the blitz is coming. The other team always seems to know when we are about to blitz (i.e., they see it coming and the backs and linemen aren't confused). Jimmy Johnson of the Eagles was the master of this type of confusion. Fewell seems to have none of it. What I don't get is do any of his other VERY experienced assistant coaches such as Giunta (a former DC) have any impact on this?
You can disagree with the reason(s), but explore the reason(s).
When Gilbride was the QB coach and Hufnagel was the OC, do you think Gilbride helped him much? I doubt it; Gilbride wanted to be the OC.
I think you *might* have the same scenario on the defensive side.
nice writeup as always. interesting to me that you seem to be solidly in the fire fewell camp at this point, given that you've generally taken the "it's the players, stupid" approach.
Sure, poor talent will give you below average position, but not 31st. (Remember, 1/2 the teams in the league are "below average".)
Better now than later.
strong enough to be an effective blitzer ?
Rather have Tuck Osi or Kiwi ?
I knew and said we would get blown out or play
tough and find a way to lose .
My biggest laugh came when McClain left his man
and basically ran into a blocker and didnt even
get his hands up . Let Hill go I know its a bad
arguement . Sign Beason but don't take a chance
on Spikes or Burfict . We have not one player on the front
7 that Impacts the Game JPP at times and he hustles
but Tyrone Smith is a manchild he got away with plenty
of holding on the inside once he grabs your jersey
he is so strong you can't pull away for anyone to
make a holding call . How many Dominate games have
you seen Kiwi have ? Anyways it was just another
sickening loss at home . Where is friggen LT when you
need him .
...when it is probably John Mara who is making final football player decisions for this team.
And, if Mara has the final word, well we've got his product on the field, which absolutely sucks.