Hill as a player but they had no choice to cut him, he gave them no choice. He kept making the same mistake over and over and didn't seem to give a shit. The people saying oh it was just weed are just as dumb as he is.
This. Hill gave the FO no choice, and those saying it's only marijuana are completely missing the big picture, which is that he failed to alter his behavior after repeated suspensions. If you look at the Will Hill situation and have anger towards anyone but Hill you just don't get it,
that I find absolutely mind boggling is that Will Hill wouldn't have taken up a roster spot during his suspension. It makes no sense to cut him right away.
You hold onto him for the 8 weeks (or whatever) and then reevaluate the situation.
When you continually lie to the guy whose name is on your paycheck after he has given you chance after chance after chance, it is not the organizations fault
Amazing that people still think it is just about smoking pot
And it wasn't even an expensive one. They overrated Stevie brown and thought they could have their cake (not invest in a pot head) and eat it too (still be ok at safety). Obviously the talent evaluation side of it was poor as everyone knew brown was fortunate to collect stats and sucked as a player.
Hill had potential and it would not have hurt to see it through another year.
Most are saying the Giants had no choice now because they also said the same prior and now look less bright with is needing safeties and hill is still a good player getting into the swing now.
Was a dumb decision then and its a dumb one now. Zero risk keeping him.
You'd think Will Hill was a cross of LT, Gandhi, & George Washington listening to his admirers.
The dude didn't get up. He kept smoking even when he knew he shouldn't. Sooner or later, you got to cut him loose. How many seasons can you start with him being suspended?
And he wasnt even suspended. You can't give players preferential treatment in a team game when you do you end up like the redskins who are constantly in shambles.
I said it when we cut him and I stand by it now. You don't cut that level of talent when you have nothing behind it. Short sited, stubborn decision by our organization to make a point. Ended up hurting our team more than we hurt Will Hill. If the guy was dumb enough to get in trouble again, you'd be in the same exact situation we're in now anyway. Just a dumb move IMO.
The saying that you made up based on nothing,notwithstanding, he kept getting in trouble and he was lying to the team. It is a shame that you think it is OK and apparently don't understand what the Giants try to instill in their team and players. And I can't believe these fucktarded threads just never stop about this cockfuck.
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Oh yeah, not at all, because he was SUSPENDED (again!) all 8 games.
What a player to build around!
It was a six game suspension, not eight. It was Aldon Smith who was suspended for nine games. The 49ers are one of the most respected NFL franchises. They and their fans didn't have any problem trying to get that hoodlum back as soon as possible. No one's criticized them for it.
This is the pros, not college. You're trying to win games, not mold a young man's character.
The 49ers are not one of the most respected organizations.
He was suspended 3 times. He will likely be suspended again.
Will Hill is going to be a distant memory . He will be suspended again , he will be cut again. TBH I'm glad he messed up again. Had he got through the season and played well , he would have gotten a large contract . Then he would have screwed the giants with his next suspension ! No team will ever give this guy a big contract.
The way some people continue to whine about Will Hill
Hill as a player but they had no choice to cut him, he gave them no choice. He kept making the same mistake over and over and didn't seem to give a shit. The people saying oh it was just weed are just as dumb as he is.
Exactly, Mook.
The point isn't just how he continually ignored the rules
We get it, this is just a sports team you follow, so fuck the team holding their players to their side of an agreement regarding not doing something (again) that will be detrimental to the team. While you lament and whine about the Giants cutting a player you deemed potential pro bowler, the team has to think long term in their continued investment in a player, who may or may not be available next season or even next game.
I just hope that those people continuing to miss the point that Hill was released due to his inability to hold up his side of the agreement with the team aren't this cavalier about personal responsibilities in their real life.
how important it is to have a guy like Will Hill OUT of the locker room.
First of all, the other players on the team are NOT going to side with him because they do not appreciate the fact that HE is potentially wrecking everything they are all working so hard for. Players do not have time for other players who are selfish like he is. He was a good player on a bad defense but he was NOT Lawrence Taylor.
Second of all, having a guy miss a significant number of games due to a suspension is really bad when it comes to managing your roster. You are essentially releasing someone else that can potentially help you when you keep a player like Will Hill. You also need some kind of consistency in that position and you want someone who you can rely on for an entire season. Just look at what happens when we have a replacement safety back there. Things typically do not go well for us. You can blame talent but it often is also related to not having the time to develop an understanding of where you need to be. So, to have Will Hill in there for 8 games, then he gets busted again and you are going into the back half of the season with some new guy? No thank you
the next several weeks and he's now had one good week. while losing hill on D is short term pain, i don't think any of you will complain when he screws up again and is suspended for an entire season. he was given multiple chances by the giants
is because we have so many morons on this Board who can't recognize a good football player when they see one and who spout idiotic sayings their High School coach used to say to them about being able to rely on your teammates.
With Beason and Hill last year our defense was not an embarrassment. it is now. We couldn't control Beason's injury. The Hill wound is self inflicted. We draft a safety in the first round, we can "hope" he's as good as Hill, we're out a first round pick and haven't improved the team from where it was last year.
Will Hill himself and NFL.. Will Hill has a problem and can't stay away from marijuana especially with the company he has living in Jersey...That alone isn't a big deal..but the NFL is hell bent on punishing players.. Weed doens't enhance anyone's performance, why should it bother the NFL when its employees smoke pot?.. These ridiculous suspension have a negative impact on the product on the field.. Suspending guys like Will Hill and Josh Gordon for weed is stupid.. Giants were stuck between these 2 dumbasses..
Giants to take a stand and feel good about themselves but what did it really accomplish? It obviously didn't set a winning culture because we are still getting our ass kicked each week. Did it makes us a better team? Well, I don't think it did, we could really use another playmaker at safety and we'll likely have to use significant cap room or a high draft pick on the position.
It's going to be bittersweet to watch Hill be a big part of another Baltimore playoff run.
I agree that he put the Giants in a position where they really pretty much had no choice.
But I really, REALLY liked him on our defense. And it really, Really, REALLY sucks that he is not part of our defensive backfield. The guy was easily the top 2 or 3 player on our defense last year. And now we have an immense hole at the safety position.
It really is OK for people to be upset that he is gone. And have to say, I wish the Giants would have done the wrong thing here... for once. JMO. YMMV.
is because we have so many morons on this Board who can't recognize a good football player when they see one and who spout idiotic sayings their High School coach used to say to them about being able to rely on your teammates.
That's hilarious considering the guy is never available to play because he's constantly suspended.
Context.
Also, 8 to 10 games from Will Hill provides WAY more value than 16 games out of the Hoseleys and Brewers on this roster.
Let's not make the guy out to be an all pro player. We're gonna have a special set of rules and tolerances for good starters now?
He's a good player and an idiot, and he's a part time NFL player.
What special set of rules? He got suspended for what he did.
He got suspended by the league for getting caught for the third time despite the organization putting forth a patient effort to help him rehab. The team can discipline players too.
Are you serious? Were you around when Parcells was the coach? Of course, teams give preferential treatment to big time players. Every team does and the ones who say they don't, are lying or suck. If a star falls asleep in a meeting, he was tired. If a backup falls asleep, he's cut. It's always been the case. The most logical explanation for Hill being cut is that they believed that the next failed test would mean a lifetime suspension and they didn't want to put a starter in that kind of iffy category. Trashing his apartment, which I've heard many times here, means nothing to the team; it only means something to the landlord. If the coaches or teammates didn't like him, that would mean something. If he didn't practice hard or missed film study or anything like that, it would mean something. Smoking weed is now legal in 4 states and probably will be legal in many more soon; it is no big deal. I think the Giants made a huge mistake in cutting him unless there were football related reasons or Stevie Brown is still recovering from injury because their safety play really does suck.
with a respected GM and head coach. They didn't seem to have an issue with bringing in Hill and allowing him to help them win some football games. And that call seems to paying off for them.
Letting Hill go was a poor personnel decision. But it's just one out of a number of bad decisions the Giants have made in player evaluations over the last few years.
When Parcells was hired as the head coach of the Giants..
the first thing on his agenda was to remove ALL of the bad apples. This would be anyone who was doing drugs, anyone who was not on board, and anyone who was a cancer in the locker room (ie a locker room lawyer).
There was not a lot of attention drawn to this at that time, but over the course of a year or two, Bill weeded out ALL of them.
Remember Mark Haynes? He was an ALL PRO Cornerback. Possibly the best corner we had in YEARS. Shut down corner who played the run extremely well. He was not on board and was speaking out against the coach within the ranks. We traded him.
Eventually, LT was the only one he made an exception for.
How did that work out for us? Seemed like a great group that played well together.
This. Hill gave the FO no choice, and those saying it's only marijuana are completely missing the big picture, which is that he failed to alter his behavior after repeated suspensions. If you look at the Will Hill situation and have anger towards anyone but Hill you just don't get it,
Thread over.
Nailed it!!
We have no problem keeping any of these other knuckleheads on the payroll, including the talentless, the heartless, and the injury prone.
At least he could play.
That should be done regardless. Otherwise it's like countimg on a safety coming off of an ACL injury.
You hold onto him for the 8 weeks (or whatever) and then reevaluate the situation.
Amazing that people still think it is just about smoking pot
Captain strawman at it again.
Hill had potential and it would not have hurt to see it through another year.
Most are saying the Giants had no choice now because they also said the same prior and now look less bright with is needing safeties and hill is still a good player getting into the swing now.
Was a dumb decision then and its a dumb one now. Zero risk keeping him.
If you're the shining light of reason, then the benchmark has certainly been drastically lowered.
The dude didn't get up. He kept smoking even when he knew he shouldn't. Sooner or later, you got to cut him loose. How many seasons can you start with him being suspended?
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Will Hill f--ked the Giants.
Try to remember that.
I said it when we cut him and I stand by it now. You don't cut that level of talent when you have nothing behind it. Short sited, stubborn decision by our organization to make a point. Ended up hurting our team more than we hurt Will Hill. If the guy was dumb enough to get in trouble again, you'd be in the same exact situation we're in now anyway. Just a dumb move IMO.
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Oh yeah, not at all, because he was SUSPENDED (again!) all 8 games.
What a player to build around!
It was a six game suspension, not eight. It was Aldon Smith who was suspended for nine games. The 49ers are one of the most respected NFL franchises. They and their fans didn't have any problem trying to get that hoodlum back as soon as possible. No one's criticized them for it.
This is the pros, not college. You're trying to win games, not mold a young man's character.
The 49ers are not one of the most respected organizations.
He was suspended 3 times. He will likely be suspended again.
Exactly, Mook.
We get it, this is just a sports team you follow, so fuck the team holding their players to their side of an agreement regarding not doing something (again) that will be detrimental to the team. While you lament and whine about the Giants cutting a player you deemed potential pro bowler, the team has to think long term in their continued investment in a player, who may or may not be available next season or even next game.
I just hope that those people continuing to miss the point that Hill was released due to his inability to hold up his side of the agreement with the team aren't this cavalier about personal responsibilities in their real life.
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..but then again thats easy to see since most of the same dim bulbs would say ELi lost the game last night..
Captain strawman at it again.
People who think Eli cost the Giants the game Sunday night= dumbass/dim bulbs
People who think the Giants cut Will Hill because he smoked pot= dumbass/dim bulbs
Why does chris r stalk BBI making contrarian comments all day= he doesn't get laid much...?
First of all, the other players on the team are NOT going to side with him because they do not appreciate the fact that HE is potentially wrecking everything they are all working so hard for. Players do not have time for other players who are selfish like he is. He was a good player on a bad defense but he was NOT Lawrence Taylor.
Second of all, having a guy miss a significant number of games due to a suspension is really bad when it comes to managing your roster. You are essentially releasing someone else that can potentially help you when you keep a player like Will Hill. You also need some kind of consistency in that position and you want someone who you can rely on for an entire season. Just look at what happens when we have a replacement safety back there. Things typically do not go well for us. You can blame talent but it often is also related to not having the time to develop an understanding of where you need to be. So, to have Will Hill in there for 8 games, then he gets busted again and you are going into the back half of the season with some new guy? No thank you
At least he could play.
That's hilarious considering the guy is never available to play because he's constantly suspended.
With Beason and Hill last year our defense was not an embarrassment. it is now. We couldn't control Beason's injury. The Hill wound is self inflicted. We draft a safety in the first round, we can "hope" he's as good as Hill, we're out a first round pick and haven't improved the team from where it was last year.
It's going to be bittersweet to watch Hill be a big part of another Baltimore playoff run.
But I really, REALLY liked him on our defense. And it really, Really, REALLY sucks that he is not part of our defensive backfield. The guy was easily the top 2 or 3 player on our defense last year. And now we have an immense hole at the safety position.
It really is OK for people to be upset that he is gone. And have to say, I wish the Giants would have done the wrong thing here... for once. JMO. YMMV.
Except these are things the head coach says.
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At least he could play.
That's hilarious considering the guy is never available to play because he's constantly suspended.
Context.
Also, 8 to 10 games from Will Hill provides WAY more value than 16 games out of the Hoseleys and Brewers on this roster.
The same thing as when we have Demps playing for 16 games
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At least he could play.
That's hilarious considering the guy is never available to play because he's constantly suspended.
Context.
Also, 8 to 10 games from Will Hill provides WAY more value than 16 games out of the Hoseleys and Brewers on this roster.
Let's not make the guy out to be an all pro player. We're gonna have a special set of rules and tolerances for good starters now?
He's a good player and an idiot, and he's a part time NFL player.
I just don't understand the thinking that he may not be available so lets make sure he is not available.
I get some other arguments here, but not that one
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At least he could play.
That's hilarious considering the guy is never available to play because he's constantly suspended.
Context.
Also, 8 to 10 games from Will Hill provides WAY more value than 16 games out of the Hoseleys and Brewers on this roster.
Let's not make the guy out to be an all pro player. We're gonna have a special set of rules and tolerances for good starters now?
He's a good player and an idiot, and he's a part time NFL player.
What special set of rules? He got suspended for what he did.
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At least he could play.
That's hilarious considering the guy is never available to play because he's constantly suspended.
Context.
Also, 8 to 10 games from Will Hill provides WAY more value than 16 games out of the Hoseleys and Brewers on this roster.
Let's not make the guy out to be an all pro player. We're gonna have a special set of rules and tolerances for good starters now?
He's a good player and an idiot, and he's a part time NFL player.
What special set of rules? He got suspended for what he did.
He got suspended by the league for getting caught for the third time despite the organization putting forth a patient effort to help him rehab. The team can discipline players too.
He goes onto the suspended list, somebody takes his roster spot and you tell him he has to earn it back?
Letting Hill go was a poor personnel decision. But it's just one out of a number of bad decisions the Giants have made in player evaluations over the last few years.
There was not a lot of attention drawn to this at that time, but over the course of a year or two, Bill weeded out ALL of them.
Remember Mark Haynes? He was an ALL PRO Cornerback. Possibly the best corner we had in YEARS. Shut down corner who played the run extremely well. He was not on board and was speaking out against the coach within the ranks. We traded him.
Eventually, LT was the only one he made an exception for.
How did that work out for us? Seemed like a great group that played well together.