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The next 4 weeks will tell us how bad the Giants are.

bigfish703 : 11/25/2014 12:21 am
Our next 4 opponents, Jags, Titans, Rams, & Redskins, all lost last weekend, bringing their combined record to 10 wins & 34 losses. Interestingly enough that gives them an average of 2.5 wins & 8.5 losses, close to the Giants' 3 & 8 record. If we are improving, as our scores seem to indicate, we actually do have a chance to run the table in the next 4 weeks (Don't ask about our last game against the now 8-3 Eagles though).

I thought there was a definite improvement in our play against the Cowboys. We came close to winning against a good team, just as we did against the 49ers. Despite our latest 4th quarter collapse, the Giants running & pass blocking were better. Special team play was definitely improved too. It looks to me as if Giants' 4th quarter problems are due to the players' exhaustion, caused by their not having competent substitutes. This situation seems to me to be due to both the unfortunate rash of injuries, many of them to skill players, and Reese's failure to adequately resupply the offensive line.

Either the Giant first stringers became worn down by the 4th quarter or Fewell had the wrong defensive allignment & /or the wrong people on the field. I was shocked to see that neither of our 2 best pass rushers, Moore & Ayers were in the game during Dallas's winning drive. (no one said they were hurt). Also, we had only 4 rushers, PF called no blitzes, & was using his Perry Fewell special passive prevent defense that only prevents us from winning. The amount of time Romo had to pass was embarrassingly long. On one of those plays, Dez Bryant had time to break his original route & run all the way from the left to right hash marks before catching the pass that broke our backs. The best defensive backs in the NFL would not have been able to contain a good receiver that long.

Granted, the blitzes we did try earlier did not reach Romo in time, leading me to think that either our LBs & CBs are not quick enough for the NFL, or Fewell is not aggressive enough. I have heard that Spagnuola may be available next year. Spag's idea of defense is attack, attack, attack. His players react positively to that & I would love to see him return.

So, tune in next week & see how we do against someone in our own league, so to speak, the woeful 1-10 Jags.
the rest of the season  
SHO'NUFF : 11/25/2014 12:26 am : link
TC better play some young talents like Bromley and Berhe...fucking bench Kiwi and Demps, who won't be here next season.
I think I already know how bad they are  
Jints in Carolina : 11/25/2014 12:28 am : link
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def wanna see  
dancing blue bear : 11/25/2014 12:30 am : link
Bromley and Behre. I'm also a little enthusiastic about kennard. as is carl banks. heard him talking about him in the am on joe and evan, then about and to him with kim jones. he sounds like a good dude, with his mind on becoming a good player. Banks is really high on him.

I wouldn't mind getting Richberg in at center, either. fuck it, let's see what we got.
Rams will kick our asses  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/25/2014 1:19 am : link
Fisher always has his teams ready to play
They'll win all four of those meaningless games  
illmatic : 11/25/2014 1:23 am : link
and fuck up their draft position. You just know it's going to happen.
Nassib  
Dragon : 11/25/2014 1:25 am : link
Is the player I want to see we have seen Eli we know what he brings to the table lets see what Nassib can do. OBJ made a great catch but why did he have to make that great catch? For those who think putting Eli on the sidelines is wrong just ask yourself what does having him in the game do from this point on. This team will not make the playoffs so let's open the door to a new era.

WR Washington can this guy still not even see the field the season is over. We have two healthy NFL WR's OBJ and RR the rest are trash so why not bring in someone with speed not on our roster. Parker is a special team guy if that can't we really find anyone to replace him in the offense JR.

TE Robinson its time we find out if this guy deserves to come back next season, he is our only signed TE presently yet we know nothing about him.

DT Bromley, DE Wynn look can they do any worse than our present starters are. When is a better chance for them to learn than now without the pressure of team success.

I just want to see the young guys play the vets have shown they suck lets begin the rebuild now not preseason next year. In fact I would even consider these preseason games they don't matter it's all about evaluations of these young guys.
RE: Nassib  
SHO'NUFF : 11/25/2014 3:04 am : link
In comment 11999914 Dragon said:
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OBJ made a great catch but why did he have to make that great catch?


uh, what? did you miss the part where the DB wrap himself around ODB and pulled his shirt?

great catch aside, that throw by Eli was money. On his 3rd read, no less.
Sho'  
GiantJohn : 11/25/2014 6:39 am : link
Right you are.
this is why  
msh : 11/25/2014 7:37 am : link
coughlin is on the hot seat so often they keep playing retreads and has-beens over thier draft picks i would have cut will demps or at least allowed him to return kicks and nothing else he is a woeful safety who is beaten far to easily

rolle and thurmond really talked about how good behre was during preseason and then they dont play him for trash like demps?

j.williams keeps getting beaten in coverage and hasnt been the same since his rookie run to the superbowl so why is kennard not getting more chances

the real reason this team has the record it has is the OL they cant sustain drives to keep the defence fresh,they dont score enough points and when they do its a long td Like that 43yd to beckham that gives the ball back to the opposition to quickly and forces a worn defence with a muppet for a DC back out there to lose the game for them
(thou admittedly eli lost the 9ers game with his INT's)

fix the OL next offseason (2 OL in first 3 rounds or 1 plus a DECENT FA not another brown or terry) and replace that muppet of a DC this team could compete again with some further time in the macadoo system eli is getting more comfortable add backham,cruz and get beckham to show randle how to run routes like him this offence could be very good next year
RE: They'll win all four of those meaningless games  
Boatie Warrant : 11/25/2014 8:07 am : link
In comment 11999912 illmatic said:
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and fuck up their draft position. You just know it's going to happen.


egg zactly
msh: Really? Do you want to go back to Gilbride's offense?  
Jupiter : 11/25/2014 8:08 am : link
Last week: "Giants don't take enough shots down the field!"

This week: "We don't want the Giants to score too quickly,"
the last 5 games already did  
vinnieNJ : 11/25/2014 8:15 am : link
they are bad and everybody knows it. Just ride it out see what we have going forward and rebuild hopefully without this staff. I feel that they are all gone as this sub par performance has gone on too long. Changes are comming
RE: They'll win all four of those meaningless games  
Giants4246 : 11/25/2014 8:21 am : link
In comment 11999912 illmatic said:
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and fuck up their draft position. You just know it's going to happen.


No they wont.
You mean the previous 11 didn't give you enough evidence?  
Victor in CT : 11/25/2014 8:29 am : link
;-)
It's like those teams in the  
Gman11 : 11/25/2014 8:40 am : link
woeful 70s. They did just enough to lose. If the offense played well the defense stunk. If the defense played well the offense stunk. If they both played well the special teams stunk.

I'm glad you find comfort in the fact that the Giants didn't get blown out, but that doesn't mean that they're on the cusp of becoming good.
the gmen  
Les in TO : 11/25/2014 8:50 am : link
always seem to have issues with the jaguars and titans. i expect close games there. the rams D-line is incredible and will dominate that one. the skins should be beatable, but who knows with this team.
They'll win 3 out of 4, Mara will say he saw a team that fought  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/25/2014 8:53 am : link
for the coach, and we'll do this same song and dance next season with the same cast of characters.
RE: They'll win 3 out of 4, Mara will say he saw a team that fought  
Les in TO : 11/25/2014 8:59 am : link
In comment 12000085 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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for the coach, and we'll do this same song and dance next season with the same cast of characters.


they fired fassel after one injury-plagued year and just one year removed from almost making it to the second round of the playoffs and three years removed from making it to the super bowl.

they fired reeves after three consecutive missed playoff seasons, even though those dave-brown led teams did show some fight.

i have no doubt that if the giants go 3-2 the rest of the way, landing at 6-10, with three straight missed playoff seasons and 5 out of the last 6 missed playoffs (with almost 6 straight if they didn't squeak in 2011 with a 9-7 record), mara will ask coughlin to retire or be let go.

RE: You mean the previous 11 didn't give you enough evidence?  
Giants2012 : 11/25/2014 9:04 am : link
In comment 12000034 Victor in CT said:
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;-)


Seriously? I know

We stopped learning about this team in Philly.
can't help but root for the Giants when they play  
nyynyg : 11/25/2014 9:04 am : link
but when you look at the situation analytically, winning these four games in meaningless and only harmful. the teams we are bad too and will give us potentially misleading data points heading into next season.

ask it this way:

if we shredded each of those opponents 56-0 with complete dominance, do you feel better about things? I know I won't.
RE: can't help but root for the Giants when they play  
Les in TO : 11/25/2014 9:22 am : link
In comment 12000125 nyynyg said:
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but when you look at the situation analytically, winning these four games in meaningless and only harmful. the teams we are bad too and will give us potentially misleading data points heading into next season.

ask it this way:

if we shredded each of those opponents 56-0 with complete dominance, do you feel better about things? I know I won't.


if the cause of the 56-0 was our offensive line gelling/playing lights out and guys like moore, hankins, bromley, kennard, behre etc having an impact on defense, then i would. but we aren't blowing out the rest of our schedule.
We are much better than those teams  
PatersonPlank : 11/25/2014 10:02 am : link
We should have won our last two vs the Cowboys and 49ers, who are something like 15-6 between them. The Giants are a 8-8 type team right now, primarily because they have defensive issues. Our offense is improving, and will continue to improve. I wouldn't touch it, even the OL. The OL is getting better and we are playing a lot of players, so we will have depth next year. Plus Cruz is back.
we  
melojeteli4 : 11/25/2014 10:08 am : link
Will probably win 4 out of 5. I really think we are only a few guys away from being a contender. I prefer to lose out and get a top 5 pick. Being mediocre these last couple years sucks. But also sucks that we miss out on the top prospects coming out of.the draft by picking between 11-16 each year. Now it does appear like we hit a home run with Beckham than god. Want a stud lb with are first pick. 2nd round sleeper pick please be dorial green-beckham!! 6'6 wide receiver. I expect big things out of him.
RE: We are much better than those teams  
Les in TO : 11/25/2014 10:13 am : link
In comment 12000238 PatersonPlank said:
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We should have won our last two vs the Cowboys and 49ers, who are something like 15-6 between them. The Giants are a 8-8 type team right now, primarily because they have defensive issues. Our offense is improving, and will continue to improve. I wouldn't touch it, even the OL. The OL is getting better and we are playing a lot of players, so we will have depth next year. Plus Cruz is back.


If Pugh is healthy again, I'd like to see him at RT, Schwartz at RG and Richburg at C or at least LG.

Cruz is not guaranteed to be back to his former self.

I think the cumulative deflating impact of the last several weeks is going to result in a letdown this week, travelling to Jax to play a meaningless game
Tough to say what to expect from this team  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/25/2014 10:42 am : link
now.

When you go from the having to face the opponents they were facing with the season on the line to now being out of it and facing a just a poor Jacksonville team in essentially a meaningless game in a half empty stadium is a bad situation.

At least last year when the Giants were eliminated from the playoffs, they could still try and play spoiler in a couple games and they were able to do so against Detroit.

This time, the next 4 games don't even bring that. Three of them are on the road in atmospheres that will resemble preseason football.

We are hoping for the young guys to get a chance here during this time, but that is unlikely to happen as the "veterans" will continue to get the time.

The idea of "carryover" into next season in terms of the W-L record has been debunked by the teams performance to start the 2013 and 2014 seasons. So whether they finish 6-10 or 4-12 really doesn't matter.
RE: Nassib  
Giantology : 11/25/2014 10:45 am : link
In comment 11999914 Dragon said:
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Is the player I want to see we have seen Eli we know what he brings to the table lets see what Nassib can do. OBJ made a great catch but why did he have to make that great catch? For those who think putting Eli on the sidelines is wrong just ask yourself what does having him in the game do from this point on. This team will not make the playoffs so let's open the door to a new era.


I won't even bother with the rest of your post. You've got to be kidding me. Why did he have to make that great catch? BECAUSE HE WAS BEING HELD BY A DEFENDER

Putting Eli on the sidelines is completely wrong, because he needs to continue to develop his chemistry with the players here. Obviously take him out in blowout situations, but we're paying him MILLIONS and he will be the QB here for at least another few years, guaranteed. This is not the start of a new era. Eli is a 2x world champion, 2x SB MVP, he's the franchise and he's not going anywhere, anytime soon.

Deal with it
RE: I think I already know how bad they are  
Giantology : 11/25/2014 10:46 am : link
In comment 11999893 Jints in Carolina said:
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Yup. We've had 11 games to determine how bad we are. We're 3-8, I think it's crystal clear.
I have said most over-rated player  
The 12th Man : 11/25/2014 11:51 am : link
in terms of contract on this team was Kiwi. The guy sucks. I is always and I mean always out of position. He is one of the dumbest players on the team. How many times do you continue to cheat inside before you realize they are going after your side of the field. I would bench him.
RE: They'll win all four of those meaningless games  
santacruzom : 11/25/2014 12:16 pm : link
In comment 11999912 illmatic said:
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and fuck up their draft position. You just know it's going to happen.


Dropping a few spots in the draft due to meaningless wins sure didn't hurt them last year.
RE: RE: They'll win 3 out of 4, Mara will say he saw a team that fought  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/25/2014 2:17 pm : link
In comment 12000099 Les in TO said:
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In comment 12000085 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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for the coach, and we'll do this same song and dance next season with the same cast of characters.



they fired fassel after one injury-plagued year and just one year removed from almost making it to the second round of the playoffs and three years removed from making it to the super bowl.

they fired reeves after three consecutive missed playoff seasons, even though those dave-brown led teams did show some fight.

i have no doubt that if the giants go 3-2 the rest of the way, landing at 6-10, with three straight missed playoff seasons and 5 out of the last 6 missed playoffs (with almost 6 straight if they didn't squeak in 2011 with a 9-7 record), mara will ask coughlin to retire or be let go.


I kind of hope that you're right, but the coaches that you used in your example didn't win two super bowls and were not handpicked by John's dad. The circumstances are different. I don't think the franchise even liked Jim Fassel much. Coughlin is practically family.
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