Will Hill should still be a giant

In comment 12000107 Curtis in VA said:

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What does this offer that the other one doesnt?

It provides a way for this clown to scream, "Look at me! Pay attention to me!"

for those who still think Hill should be a Giant.

What in the world do you do for a living? If you had a co-worker who couldn't get his act together, was completely unreliable, constantly in trouble, negligent and only showed up to work once or twice a week and STILL was only let go after a handful of second chances, how could you take your bosses seriously if they continued to enable this person?

It's nuts that there's even a small percentage of people that can't figure this situation out. A business that allows different rules for different employees is destined to fail. There is absolutely no logical, rational or passable explanation for the Giants to have put up with Will Hill's disregard for the franchise, and I am absolutely floored that there are people stupid enough to think they should have. I mean, WTF are you thinking? What world do you live in? JFC. Wake up.

Will Hill is a Life IQ test many are failing, I find it humorous. Although these repeated threads are torture, it reveals a lot of dummies at the same time.

if you're the boss, are you comfortable paying the player you described above a couple MILLION dollars?

Delete this redundant shit. It's already being beaten to death in two other threads.

1)comparing the NFL to 9-5 workplace is idiotic
2)that said, there are tons of examples of high performers getting special treatment in the real world
2)Will Hill doesn't get paid when he is suspended and he doesn't make a couple million dollars, more like 600k

In comment 12000187 Blue Baller said:

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1)comparing the NFL to 9-5 workplace is idiotic 2)that said, there are tons of examples of high performers getting special treatment in the real world 2)Will Hill doesn't get paid when he is suspended and he doesn't make a couple million dollars, more like 600k

He also doesn't help the team when he's suspended...every season.

What do you think his next one's going to be?

Secondly, it is a valid comparison to a workplace where people depend on other members of their team to be present and accountable to get the job done.

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Should have listened to me and kept the kid, he'd be our 2nd best player behind ODB.

Definitely a "look at me" thread.

No one gives a shit what you say, let alone should listen to you, fool. Delete this redundant and useless thread.

what benefit did the Giants get out of cutting him?

Is the team you watch on Sundays disciplined and reliable?

the decision was made, and there is nothing you can do about it....

For those who were against the action taken by the Giants, or those like moi, who have slowly come around due to the terrible play of Demps and Brown, his play last night only adds fuel to the fire....

As stated we do not know all the facts, or ever will.....we can all wish he was still here, but he isn't....Will Hill is not walking through that door.....

The problem arises, if the front office let him go thinking, Brown/Demps was as good as him, cold replace him, and that was part of the thought process in releasing him....if it was, then that brings into play, how this team evaluates it's own talent......

these threads the next time he is suspended and fucks over THAT team?

After the previous suspension, they gave him another chance. Obviously to push him to not have a relapse, they told him if he did it again, they were done. Hill probably told them, maybe promised to them, that this would not happen again.

When he got caught again, he forced the Giants' hand. If the Giants change their stance and give Hill yet another chance, the team's entire enforcement and consequences system becomes a joke, and everybody knows it. Other players possibly start pushing boundaries, and when they get in trouble, question why Hill got special treatment. That's when you talk about things like, "The coach lost the locker room."

The Giants did not want to cut Hill. But they had no choice at that point. You cut him and hope the backups will be up to the task. Otherwise you keep him and pray it doesn't make the whole thing fall apart.

In comment 12000210 Blue Baller said:

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what benefit did the Giants get out of cutting him? Is the team you watch on Sundays disciplined and reliable?

No, but keeping players like Will Hill only makes them less so.

In comment 12000215 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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these threads the next time he is suspended and fucks over THAT team?

One would hope so. Because in the case of Will Hill, history has a habit of repeating itself.

if he didn't mess up so often, his availability unreliable, under the drug policy prior to his release.
Who knew policy would change 3 weeks later.
Being away from his 'hood is best for HIM.
Giants loss; WHill, and maybe the Ravens gain.
IIWII.
Move along.

1) yes he should be... there was zero risk. Brown was cheap and hill is cheap. zero risk, all reward.
2) those whining about people whining... did not want him... and don't enjoy being wrong about whether it made sense to keep him.
3) no players seemed to talk bad about him... but I guess that doesn't matter.
4) at least we have good citizens like kiwi.

...but I am pissed at Will Hill about it not the Giants. Don't smoke weed, make millions; and yet he still smoked weed. Dumbass.

In comment 12000230 hitdog42 said:

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4) at least we have good citizens like kiwi.

A mediocre player who you can count on is more valuable than a great player you can't.

I thought it was wrong. Still do.

However, as others have said, oh my God let it fucking go.

never apply or enforce rules upon skilled players.

If the Giants were a good team with a wining record nobody would give Hill a second thought. Releasing him is not the problem with the current Giants organization and anyone thinks pandering to him would have changed the outcome this season they are kidding themselves.

stance by the Giants.. NFL was moving towards ridiculous suspensions for repeat offenders and there is no indication that Will Hill would have stopped smoking pot if he stayed in Jersey.. if we can't trust him to be here for us then there is no point in having him on the roster.

In comment 12000263 steve in ky said:

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never apply or enforce rules upon skilled players. If the Giants were a good team with a wining record nobody would give Hill a second thought. Releasing him is not the problem with the current Giants organization and anyone thinks pandering to him would have changed the outcome this season they are kidding themselves.

Hill was suspended and not getting paid. Why doesn't that count as enforcement of the rules?

In comment 12000178 JonC said:

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Will Hill is a Life IQ test many are failing, I find it humorous. Although these repeated threads are torture, it reveals a lot of dummies at the same time.

+1 +1

This is football. NOT DADDY DAY CARE. LT is in HOF.

to the team caused by Will Hill's behavior, is more costly than his play of the field was worth. It was a good decision to let him go and I still support it. Let's all accept this and move on.

He continued to lie to the people who he kept telling he was clean. This resulted in more suspensions. He misses 40% of his games for suspension

How many times does the owner have to ask are you clean and told yes and then failed drug test shows up

It is not the weed. 3 suspensions in the NFL after being given a life line

MOVE ON

In comment 12000300 brich30 said:

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This is football. NOT DADDY DAY CARE. LT is in HOF.

Got some news for you, LT would be regularly suspended in today's NFL. Probably whole seasons worth.

In comment 12000233 Hades07 said:

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...but I am pissed at Will Hill about it not the Giants. Don't smoke weed, make millions; and yet he still smoked weed. Dumbass.

Exactly. Be pissed at Will Hill, not the Giants. Its like disciplining your kids. If you tell them there are going to be certain consequences if they continue to make the same mistakes...you have to follow through. Hill knew what he was doing, and he didn't care. He left the Giants no choice.

In comment 12000300 brich30 said:

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This is football. NOT DADDY DAY CARE. LT is in HOF.

LT would never have become LT in this day and age. He'd have been forced to clean himself and if he didn't, he'd have been kicked out of the league before long. Another waste of talent like so many others.

is hard to drink.

In comment 12000359 natefit said:

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is hard to drink.

But apparently easy to cry over.

the place of Antrel Rolle or Quintin Demps? Beacuse he has ONE interception? Because they each only have 3? Because that's where our biggest issue is, safety? Because he would instill the kind of character missing from this team? Because we need another starter who isn't able to stay on the field? Because his first name rhymes with his last name? because he made a big play on one game that happens to be on Monday night? Because he is the next LT? Because who are we to judge? Because the FOURTH time's really a charm. Because he'd be so much better on the 24th ranked passing defense than the 29th?

That getting cut from the Giants organization is somehow a terrible punishment that will teach a football player a lesson. It's incredibly narcissistic to believe that just because you love love an organization that it is somehow better than other franchises. The fact is that this organization is a mess right now from the coach to the GM to the meddling owner.

In reality, Will Hill is in a much better situation. Giants did him a huge favor by cutting him. Now, he gets to go to a new organization and get a fresh start.

I would have kept Will Hill because his transgressions were not serious except in a public relations sense. He was not involved in a murder like Ray Lewis. He was just irresponsible and dumb--like a lot of guys his age.

But I also see why the Giants cut him. They had to send a message to other young players about what will not be tolerated. Unfortunately, that message was largely diluted by the fact that Hill has landed on his feet and is in a much better situation than if he were with the lousy 3-8 Giants.

Because he said after the third time he would never do it again and he meant it that time? Because he is the messiah? Because he would have completed that pass to Preston Parker? Because he wouldn't have let Romo run around the pocket for 8 seconds on consecutive plays? Because he could have come in after his suspension and single handedly righted the ship? Because Perry Fewell looked to him to quarterback the defense?

In comment 12000230 hitdog42 said:

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1) yes he should be... there was zero risk. Brown was cheap and hill is cheap. zero risk, all reward. 2) those whining about people whining... did not want him... and don't enjoy being wrong about whether it made sense to keep him. 3) no players seemed to talk bad about him... but I guess that doesn't matter. 4) at least we have good citizens like kiwi.

How many non-sequiturs, red herrings, and flights of fancy can be packed into a single, short post. Voila, here is a great example.

In comment 12000495 Dinger said:

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Because he said after the third time he would never do it again and he meant it that time? Because he is the messiah? Because he would have completed that pass to Preston Parker? Because he wouldn't have let Romo run around the pocket for 8 seconds on consecutive plays? Because he could have come in after his suspension and single handedly righted the ship? Because Perry Fewell looked to him to quarterback the defense?

Why did Baltimore sign him? Because they are not wise like the Giants?

In comment 12000566 oipolloi said:

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In comment 12000495 Dinger said: Quote: Because he said after the third time he would never do it again and he meant it that time? Because he is the messiah? Because he would have completed that pass to Preston Parker? Because he wouldn't have let Romo run around the pocket for 8 seconds on consecutive plays? Because he could have come in after his suspension and single handedly righted the ship? Because Perry Fewell looked to him to quarterback the defense? Why did Baltimore sign him? Because they are not wise like the Giants?

Because he hasn't screwed up on them yet.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000434177/article/will-hill-becoming-a-star-for-baltimore-ravens

In comment 12000566 oipolloi said:

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Why did Baltimore sign him? Because they are not wise like the Giants?

Because Will Hill got a clean slate once he was waived from the Giants, and the Ravens didn't give Will Hill multiple chances to do right by them? Who's to say that they won't cut him if he makes the same mistake multiple times and get suspended for an entire season?

Also, you're talking about a team and organization that prides itself in immortalizing a player, who was known to have obstructed a murder investigation. Oh yeah, a team that also kept a wife beater on its roster until it became a PR nightmare?

You can say a lot about the Ravens, but a model organization ran with class it aint.

will hill is light years better ball player than this years rolle(getting old) and demps at any point in his underacheving career. Disregard any stats and watch these guys, tell me who's better.

Just wish we could have made it work.
last night was salt in the wound to say the least.

The same people who discredit hills value are the ones who want to sign JPP, Suh and Iupati. Please learn about salary cap. A 600k quality starter with upside is far more valuable than antrell rolle at 8.5 mil a year.

keep Hosley. Makes perfect sense

I preached his case as much as anyone and took shit for it, but it's time to move on. Reese, Coughlin and half the current roster won't even be here next year.

They don't even meet your arguments. 49ers and fans greet Smith with open arms after he missed 5 games last season for two DUI arrests and 9 games this year for possession of drugs a lot worse than weed. Also charged with felony of possessing assault weapons. He's going to have to kill someone before they release him.

McClain does 18 days in prison and 'Boys grab him and he becomes their defensive MVP.

And now the Ravens. The whole league is laughing at the Giants.

But the real puzzler is not even about Hill. These people want to crucify Reese (and I agree) for a roster full of lousy players. But every move he makes, they're behind him.

Let one of the great Giants, Tuck, go when he was willing to return for millions less than Raiders offered. Actually embarrass the guy. And replace him with Kiwanuka? "Yeah, good move, Tuck is done."

Joseph, one of the few good premium draft choices Reese made. Should be a no-brainer to re-sign him. Not flashy, but a stalwart in the middle. "Good call, Jerry. We don't need to overpay this guy. We have another second round draft choice ready to replace him."

So subtract Tuck, Hill and Joseph and add the worst rushing defense in the league. But we saved money and got rid of a serial weed smoker.

You can't have an intelligent argument with these people.

who cares at this point...wasn't about weed but accountability to his team...end of story, move on already.

In comment 12001645 Reese's Pieces said:

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I preached his case as much as anyone and took shit for it, but it's time to move on. Reese, Coughlin and half the current roster won't even be here next year. They don't even meet your arguments. 49ers and fans greet Smith with open arms after he missed 5 games last season for two DUI arrests and 9 games this year for possession of drugs a lot worse than weed. Also charged with felony of possessing assault weapons. He's going to have to kill someone before they release him. McClain does 18 days in prison and 'Boys grab him and he becomes their defensive MVP. And now the Ravens. The whole league is laughing at the Giants. But the real puzzler is not even about Hill. These people want to crucify Reese (and I agree) for a roster full of lousy players. But every move he makes, they're behind him. Let one of the great Giants, Tuck, go when he was willing to return for millions less than Raiders offered. Actually embarrass the guy. And replace him with Kiwanuka? "Yeah, good move, Tuck is done." Joseph, one of the few good premium draft choices Reese made. Should be a no-brainer to re-sign him. Not flashy, but a stalwart in the middle. "Good call, Jerry. We don't need to overpay this guy. We have another second round draft choice ready to replace him." So subtract Tuck, Hill and Joseph and add the worst rushing defense in the league. But we saved money and got rid of a serial weed smoker. You can't have an intelligent argument with these people.

+1

In comment 12001645 Reese's Pieces said:

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I preached his case as much as anyone and took shit for it, but it's time to move on. Reese, Coughlin and half the current roster won't even be here next year. They don't even meet your arguments. 49ers and fans greet Smith with open arms after he missed 5 games last season for two DUI arrests and 9 games this year for possession of drugs a lot worse than weed. Also charged with felony of possessing assault weapons. He's going to have to kill someone before they release him. McClain does 18 days in prison and 'Boys grab him and he becomes their defensive MVP. And now the Ravens. The whole league is laughing at the Giants. But the real puzzler is not even about Hill. These people want to crucify Reese (and I agree) for a roster full of lousy players. But every move he makes, they're behind him. Let one of the great Giants, Tuck, go when he was willing to return for millions less than Raiders offered. Actually embarrass the guy. And replace him with Kiwanuka? "Yeah, good move, Tuck is done." Joseph, one of the few good premium draft choices Reese made. Should be a no-brainer to re-sign him. Not flashy, but a stalwart in the middle. "Good call, Jerry. We don't need to overpay this guy. We have another second round draft choice ready to replace him." So subtract Tuck, Hill and Joseph and add the worst rushing defense in the league. But we saved money and got rid of a serial weed smoker. You can't have an intelligent argument with these people.

Yep, because the Giants held one of its players accountable, the entire league is laughing at one of the stalwart franchises and one of three teams to win multiple Super Bowls in the 21st Century.

And if you are going to argue about the Ravens, 49'ers, and Cowboys as evidence of some great organizations because they kept their shithead players (even immortalizing a known accomplices to a murder), then more power to you.

These past few years haven't been the Giants years, and I doubt that having Will Hill would have really changed much of that. Why not just let it fucking rest already.

with the handle "Reese's" Pieces.

And yeah, if you don't think Reese and Coughlin won't be here next year, I got a bridge to sell ya (that Chris sold me).

In comment 12000215 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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these threads the next time he is suspended and fucks over THAT team?

Right - Despite all his talent, Will Hill wasn't even drafted b/c he couldn't stay out of trouble. Odd on smooth sailing going forward? Stay tuned.

let's face it, we could have this coming from his college days. It's week 12 and he's played two games as impressive as they might have been. Next yr he'll face a full year suspension for doing the same dumb crap the last 3 yrs. We don't need Will Hill but we do need players with his type of fire just no the same brain.