Will Hill should still be a giant

the place of Antrel Rolle or Quintin Demps? Beacuse he has ONE interception? Because they each only have 3? Because that's where our biggest issue is, safety? Because he would instill the kind of character missing from this team? Because we need another starter who isn't able to stay on the field? Because his first name rhymes with his last name? because he made a big play on one game that happens to be on Monday night? Because he is the next LT? Because who are we to judge? Because the FOURTH time's really a charm. Because he'd be so much better on the 24th ranked passing defense than the 29th?

That getting cut from the Giants organization is somehow a terrible punishment that will teach a football player a lesson. It's incredibly narcissistic to believe that just because you love love an organization that it is somehow better than other franchises. The fact is that this organization is a mess right now from the coach to the GM to the meddling owner.

In reality, Will Hill is in a much better situation. Giants did him a huge favor by cutting him. Now, he gets to go to a new organization and get a fresh start.

I would have kept Will Hill because his transgressions were not serious except in a public relations sense. He was not involved in a murder like Ray Lewis. He was just irresponsible and dumb--like a lot of guys his age.

But I also see why the Giants cut him. They had to send a message to other young players about what will not be tolerated. Unfortunately, that message was largely diluted by the fact that Hill has landed on his feet and is in a much better situation than if he were with the lousy 3-8 Giants.

Because he said after the third time he would never do it again and he meant it that time? Because he is the messiah? Because he would have completed that pass to Preston Parker? Because he wouldn't have let Romo run around the pocket for 8 seconds on consecutive plays? Because he could have come in after his suspension and single handedly righted the ship? Because Perry Fewell looked to him to quarterback the defense?

In comment 12000230 hitdog42 said:

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1) yes he should be... there was zero risk. Brown was cheap and hill is cheap. zero risk, all reward. 2) those whining about people whining... did not want him... and don't enjoy being wrong about whether it made sense to keep him. 3) no players seemed to talk bad about him... but I guess that doesn't matter. 4) at least we have good citizens like kiwi.

How many non-sequiturs, red herrings, and flights of fancy can be packed into a single, short post. Voila, here is a great example.

In comment 12000495 Dinger said:

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Because he said after the third time he would never do it again and he meant it that time? Because he is the messiah? Because he would have completed that pass to Preston Parker? Because he wouldn't have let Romo run around the pocket for 8 seconds on consecutive plays? Because he could have come in after his suspension and single handedly righted the ship? Because Perry Fewell looked to him to quarterback the defense?

Why did Baltimore sign him? Because they are not wise like the Giants?

In comment 12000566 oipolloi said:

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In comment 12000495 Dinger said: Quote: Because he said after the third time he would never do it again and he meant it that time? Because he is the messiah? Because he would have completed that pass to Preston Parker? Because he wouldn't have let Romo run around the pocket for 8 seconds on consecutive plays? Because he could have come in after his suspension and single handedly righted the ship? Because Perry Fewell looked to him to quarterback the defense? Why did Baltimore sign him? Because they are not wise like the Giants?

Because he hasn't screwed up on them yet.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000434177/article/will-hill-becoming-a-star-for-baltimore-ravens

In comment 12000566 oipolloi said:

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Why did Baltimore sign him? Because they are not wise like the Giants?

Because Will Hill got a clean slate once he was waived from the Giants, and the Ravens didn't give Will Hill multiple chances to do right by them? Who's to say that they won't cut him if he makes the same mistake multiple times and get suspended for an entire season?

Also, you're talking about a team and organization that prides itself in immortalizing a player, who was known to have obstructed a murder investigation. Oh yeah, a team that also kept a wife beater on its roster until it became a PR nightmare?

You can say a lot about the Ravens, but a model organization ran with class it aint.

will hill is light years better ball player than this years rolle(getting old) and demps at any point in his underacheving career. Disregard any stats and watch these guys, tell me who's better.

Just wish we could have made it work.
last night was salt in the wound to say the least.

The same people who discredit hills value are the ones who want to sign JPP, Suh and Iupati. Please learn about salary cap. A 600k quality starter with upside is far more valuable than antrell rolle at 8.5 mil a year.

keep Hosley. Makes perfect sense

I preached his case as much as anyone and took shit for it, but it's time to move on. Reese, Coughlin and half the current roster won't even be here next year.

They don't even meet your arguments. 49ers and fans greet Smith with open arms after he missed 5 games last season for two DUI arrests and 9 games this year for possession of drugs a lot worse than weed. Also charged with felony of possessing assault weapons. He's going to have to kill someone before they release him.

McClain does 18 days in prison and 'Boys grab him and he becomes their defensive MVP.

And now the Ravens. The whole league is laughing at the Giants.

But the real puzzler is not even about Hill. These people want to crucify Reese (and I agree) for a roster full of lousy players. But every move he makes, they're behind him.

Let one of the great Giants, Tuck, go when he was willing to return for millions less than Raiders offered. Actually embarrass the guy. And replace him with Kiwanuka? "Yeah, good move, Tuck is done."

Joseph, one of the few good premium draft choices Reese made. Should be a no-brainer to re-sign him. Not flashy, but a stalwart in the middle. "Good call, Jerry. We don't need to overpay this guy. We have another second round draft choice ready to replace him."

So subtract Tuck, Hill and Joseph and add the worst rushing defense in the league. But we saved money and got rid of a serial weed smoker.

You can't have an intelligent argument with these people.

who cares at this point...wasn't about weed but accountability to his team...end of story, move on already.

In comment 12001645 Reese's Pieces said:

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I preached his case as much as anyone and took shit for it, but it's time to move on. Reese, Coughlin and half the current roster won't even be here next year. They don't even meet your arguments. 49ers and fans greet Smith with open arms after he missed 5 games last season for two DUI arrests and 9 games this year for possession of drugs a lot worse than weed. Also charged with felony of possessing assault weapons. He's going to have to kill someone before they release him. McClain does 18 days in prison and 'Boys grab him and he becomes their defensive MVP. And now the Ravens. The whole league is laughing at the Giants. But the real puzzler is not even about Hill. These people want to crucify Reese (and I agree) for a roster full of lousy players. But every move he makes, they're behind him. Let one of the great Giants, Tuck, go when he was willing to return for millions less than Raiders offered. Actually embarrass the guy. And replace him with Kiwanuka? "Yeah, good move, Tuck is done." Joseph, one of the few good premium draft choices Reese made. Should be a no-brainer to re-sign him. Not flashy, but a stalwart in the middle. "Good call, Jerry. We don't need to overpay this guy. We have another second round draft choice ready to replace him." So subtract Tuck, Hill and Joseph and add the worst rushing defense in the league. But we saved money and got rid of a serial weed smoker. You can't have an intelligent argument with these people.

+1

In comment 12001645 Reese's Pieces said:

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I preached his case as much as anyone and took shit for it, but it's time to move on. Reese, Coughlin and half the current roster won't even be here next year. They don't even meet your arguments. 49ers and fans greet Smith with open arms after he missed 5 games last season for two DUI arrests and 9 games this year for possession of drugs a lot worse than weed. Also charged with felony of possessing assault weapons. He's going to have to kill someone before they release him. McClain does 18 days in prison and 'Boys grab him and he becomes their defensive MVP. And now the Ravens. The whole league is laughing at the Giants. But the real puzzler is not even about Hill. These people want to crucify Reese (and I agree) for a roster full of lousy players. But every move he makes, they're behind him. Let one of the great Giants, Tuck, go when he was willing to return for millions less than Raiders offered. Actually embarrass the guy. And replace him with Kiwanuka? "Yeah, good move, Tuck is done." Joseph, one of the few good premium draft choices Reese made. Should be a no-brainer to re-sign him. Not flashy, but a stalwart in the middle. "Good call, Jerry. We don't need to overpay this guy. We have another second round draft choice ready to replace him." So subtract Tuck, Hill and Joseph and add the worst rushing defense in the league. But we saved money and got rid of a serial weed smoker. You can't have an intelligent argument with these people.

Yep, because the Giants held one of its players accountable, the entire league is laughing at one of the stalwart franchises and one of three teams to win multiple Super Bowls in the 21st Century.

And if you are going to argue about the Ravens, 49'ers, and Cowboys as evidence of some great organizations because they kept their shithead players (even immortalizing a known accomplices to a murder), then more power to you.

These past few years haven't been the Giants years, and I doubt that having Will Hill would have really changed much of that. Why not just let it fucking rest already.

with the handle "Reese's" Pieces.

And yeah, if you don't think Reese and Coughlin won't be here next year, I got a bridge to sell ya (that Chris sold me).

In comment 12000215 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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these threads the next time he is suspended and fucks over THAT team?

Right - Despite all his talent, Will Hill wasn't even drafted b/c he couldn't stay out of trouble. Odd on smooth sailing going forward? Stay tuned.

let's face it, we could have this coming from his college days. It's week 12 and he's played two games as impressive as they might have been. Next yr he'll face a full year suspension for doing the same dumb crap the last 3 yrs. We don't need Will Hill but we do need players with his type of fire just no the same brain.