we have no linebackers. Need a total rebuild.
And who do you have that can play DE in a 3-4. Maybe Bromley?
JPP would be your best DE in a 3-4, as he plays the run well and occupies blockers.
i think jpp gets resigned simply because we don't have anybody
else... we let tuck and osi go knowing that jpp would be here.. but without anything promising in the wings i think the giants give him a 2 yr prove it deal.. or they use the franchise tag.. i would love to get another pass rusher with him,, he only excels when he isn't the main force.. much like how tuck was really only good when strahan and osi were taking the pressure off of him..
we should back the truck up for Suh.. he would be a legitimate force and paired with hankins. all we need is a solid RDE.. maybe move jpp to RDE, then put one of ayers or moore at LDE..
and potential draft pick targets before making a decision on the defensive front you use. A good coach would look at the strengths of the core players you can build around. Hankins seems to be a keeper. I would guess that Bromley would be a starter next year and Moore should be seeing more time the rest of the year, hopefully at RDE. Ayers isn't necessarily old but I am not sure that he is a building block. With Beason still an unknown as far as staying healthy and with McClain a former 3-4 inside LB, Kennard having played 4 different LB positions in college in both a 4-3 and 3-4, you could argue to play either defense. Kiwi should be gone and if JPP isn't re-signed, our strength is still in the 4-3. And I am using the term " strength" with reserve.
Will it be similar to the DE for Minnesota? If so, I'd retain him. He hasn't put up premier pass rush numbers, so he won't get Watt money. But he does have potential to put up consistent 10+ sack seasons if we can get some other talent on that line, and is an excellent run defender.
If we don't retain him, I'd like to sign Suh. Suh is great against the run (if I remember correctly), but also has premier DT pass rush ability. Suh and Hankins in the middle would allow DEs to keep single coverage, and hopefully collapse the pocket enough to force QB's outside.
Suh and JPP on a line... oh man what a pipe dream, but a great pipe dream. Suh, Hankins, JPP... if Moore has any talent, it will shine through at that time.
Regardless, Kiwi has gotta go. He's useless. It was a nice run but his best days are behind him.
Hankins might be able to be a nose tackle (NTs are 1 tech right? I'm not too knowledgeable about D-line assignments), and while JPP is probably strong enough and enough of a run stuffer to play as the lighter end in a 3-4, we don't have anyone else who would be good on the other end. Kiwi would be a disaster there. Moore would likely be the rush linebacker, as opposed to the DE in a 3-4. I don't even think Moore has ever played LB anyway.
at least understand that 4-3 DEs, and to the most DT's, are not interchangeable with 3-4 DE's and DT's.
Switching to a 3-4 would require more of an overhaul.
Define "overhaul". If JPP goes, sticking with a 4-3 requires an overhaul as well:
- Jenkins is getting up there (can play 34 end regardless)
- Kiwi should be gone
- McClain's played 34 ILB, not that I'm basing any decision on him
- Moore/Bromley/Kennard - just as "unknown" for a 43 D as a 34 D and for me none of them have shown enough to warrant locking us into a specific formation.
So again, that leaves Hankins as the only front 7 player worth building around if JPP leaves.
Hankins might be able to be a nose tackle (NTs are 1 tech right? I'm not too knowledgeable about D-line assignments), and while JPP is probably strong enough and enough of a run stuffer to play as the lighter end in a 3-4, we don't have anyone else who would be good on the other end. Kiwi would be a disaster there. Moore would likely be the rush linebacker, as opposed to the DE in a 3-4. I don't even think Moore has ever played LB anyway.
tl;dr... square pegs, round hole.
Jenkins would slide out to the other 34 end spot, where he's played before. And then you'd have to hope Bromley could develop into a 34 end (if you stick with the 43, you have to hope he can develop into a 43 DT). Bromley's draft write ups reminded me of Jenkins so he might be able to fill that role.
So the question is, would you rather shop for 3 DL and 3 LBs or 2 DL and 4 LBs?
Who are the 4-3 ends?
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Who are the 3-4 the linebackers?
Who are the 4-3 ends?
If Kiwi and JPP are gone, you have Ayers and Moore. You want them to move to Lber? Have Cullen Jenkins play end?
And who do you have that can play DE in a 3-4. Maybe Bromley?
JPP would be your best DE in a 3-4, as he plays the run well and occupies blockers.
we should back the truck up for Suh.. he would be a legitimate force and paired with hankins. all we need is a solid RDE.. maybe move jpp to RDE, then put one of ayers or moore at LDE..
i think a guy like suh would make our d go
Switching to a 3-4 would require more of an overhaul.
If we don't retain him, I'd like to sign Suh. Suh is great against the run (if I remember correctly), but also has premier DT pass rush ability. Suh and Hankins in the middle would allow DEs to keep single coverage, and hopefully collapse the pocket enough to force QB's outside.
Suh and JPP on a line... oh man what a pipe dream, but a great pipe dream. Suh, Hankins, JPP... if Moore has any talent, it will shine through at that time.
Regardless, Kiwi has gotta go. He's useless. It was a nice run but his best days are behind him.
tl;dr... square pegs, round hole.
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Who are the 3-4 the linebackers?
Who are the 4-3 ends?
If Kiwi and JPP are gone, you have Ayers and Moore. You want them to move to Lber? Have Cullen Jenkins play end?
Jenkins has played 34 end before.
Ayers definitely isn't a guy worth building your core D around. He's a replaceable vet.
And Moore hasn't shown enough yet (for whatever reasons) for me to include in a debate like this. Ditto Bromley.
Only 2 guys I'd care about as being "fits" in a potentially new scheme are JPP/Hankins and this thread assumes JPP is gone.
Switching to a 3-4 would require more of an overhaul.
Define "overhaul". If JPP goes, sticking with a 4-3 requires an overhaul as well:
- Jenkins is getting up there (can play 34 end regardless)
- Kiwi should be gone
- McClain's played 34 ILB, not that I'm basing any decision on him
- Moore/Bromley/Kennard - just as "unknown" for a 43 D as a 34 D and for me none of them have shown enough to warrant locking us into a specific formation.
So again, that leaves Hankins as the only front 7 player worth building around if JPP leaves.
tl;dr... square pegs, round hole.
Jenkins would slide out to the other 34 end spot, where he's played before. And then you'd have to hope Bromley could develop into a 34 end (if you stick with the 43, you have to hope he can develop into a 43 DT). Bromley's draft write ups reminded me of Jenkins so he might be able to fill that role.
Do you even bring him back?
He's sure not someone to build around.
Who are the 4-3 linebackers?
3-4? McLain was a 3-4 ILB.