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Giants potential draft pick...

kmed : 11/25/2014 1:12 pm
With 5 games left, we are sitting at 3-8, tied for the 6th worst record. We are clearly out of the playoff race, but now comes the dilemma of winning vs draft pick.

Looking at last years final records and applying them to this years picks, if we finished:

0-5: We'd have the 2 or 3 pick
1-4: Pick 3-7
2-3: Pick 8
3-2: Pick 9-10
4-1: Pick 11-13
5-0: Pick 14-20


i think  
Les in TO : 11/25/2014 1:14 pm : link
a top 10 pick is 90% likely, with a top 5 pick 50% likely.
You play to win the game  
TomTom : 11/25/2014 1:14 pm : link
and then you draft the best player available. We got OBJ at 12. You can get good players throughout the draft.
you dont go out and play  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/25/2014 1:18 pm : link
for draft picks!!! What does that say to the fans that spent the money! You play to win the games! Nonsense...
I meant more for fans  
kmed : 11/25/2014 1:19 pm : link
that root for the team, not the team itself.
So an admirable 3-2  
old man : 11/25/2014 1:29 pm : link
after a 3-8 likely gets a #10 pick.
10 and 42 are ok in a bad situation. Depending on how things fall, I'd like a move up to 34 since that IMO seems to be the end of rd 1 type talent. A couple of teams drafting a guy from Mashpotato U, as always happens, would help either round.
I'm all for....  
damdevs : 11/25/2014 1:42 pm : link
Getting the younger guys some playing time. One, it allows you to see what type of player you've got in real action. And two, it can possibly help with depth, F/A and draft decisions for next year.

So if it means losing games due to playing younger guy than so what. If we win some games that's ok too, but some of the back ups and younger guys need to play.

The Org needs to focus on the future...
no way we get a top 5 pick I would guess  
superspynyg : 11/25/2014 1:49 pm : link
between 8-10
RE: I'm all for....  
Les in TO : 11/25/2014 1:51 pm : link
In comment 12000894 damdevs said:
Quote:
Getting the younger guys some playing time. One, it allows you to see what type of player you've got in real action. And two, it can possibly help with depth, F/A and draft decisions for next year.

So if it means losing games due to playing younger guy than so what. If we win some games that's ok too, but some of the back ups and younger guys need to play.

The Org needs to focus on the future...


I think for the rest of the year you are going to start to see Moore and Bromley get additional snaps. not sure about the young offensive linemen like brewer or mosely.
the teams play to win the games  
5J : 11/25/2014 2:17 pm : link
the fans should hope they lose the games
RE: you dont go out and play  
Bleedin Blue : 11/25/2014 2:26 pm : link
In comment 12000819 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
Quote:
for draft picks!!! What does that say to the fans that spent the money! You play to win the games! Nonsense...


I don't think Kmed was advocating tanking the rest of the way, I think he was just laying out every possible scenario from here on out. I myself would NEVER root for the team to lose a game!
Start Nassib,  
OldPolack : 11/25/2014 2:31 pm : link
give Eli a rest, and see how he measures up.
If he's good you have 2 QB's that can be trade bait, if not the Giants gave away 2 draft picks .
It's a win, win or find out solution.
Nassib will never start  
5J : 11/25/2014 2:43 pm : link
if Eli is healthy
Anyone who thinks starting Nassib over a healthy Eli  
kmed : 11/25/2014 2:45 pm : link
is a good idea, needs to re-evaluate how you "see" sports in general.
Berhe  
I wanna be Torbor, sucka : 11/25/2014 2:49 pm : link
I think Berhe should get some playing time. We know Demps is serviceable on his best day, and Rolle is a free agent. We need to know what we have in this kid.
RE: Anyone who thinks starting Nassib over a healthy Eli  
EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) : 11/25/2014 3:00 pm : link
In comment 12001048 kmed said:
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is a good idea, needs to re-evaluate how you "see" sports in general.


Not only that, but if Coughlin is truly playing for his job as some people suggest, then why would he rely on Nassib's ability to write the end of the story for him?

Also, you are essentially telling the rest of the team and the fans that we give up.
There are a thousand legitimate reasons  
kmed : 11/25/2014 3:03 pm : link
why this is a ridiculous idea. It's not even worth discussing what they are.
If I'm running the Giants draft  
81_Great_Dane : 11/25/2014 3:17 pm : link
I'm looking to trade down, especially if one of the hot QBs is there and there's somebody ready to pounce on him. They need picks. I'd be looking to get two stud guards, and that probably means getting 2 more picks in the first 2 rounds, maybe another third rounder as well.

They have a lot of needs: DE, possibly DT (depends on what they think of Bromley), LB, S, OG, RB, TE. Could use an upgrade at OLT. Assuming they've dealt with C.

Of course, that's assuming they improve their crappy drafting.
If You Use the ESPN Playoff Simulator  
Bernie : 11/25/2014 3:22 pm : link
and fairly predict the remaining games, I think realistically the Giants will be in that 6-9 range. Obviously some upsets will occur, but I think the Giants end up 5-11 or 6-10 which puts them in the range above.
.  
Danny Kanell : 11/25/2014 3:42 pm : link
This would be my ideal finish:

5 games like Sunday. Offense continues to come together, especially the important pieces for next year (Eli, OBJ, OL, Jennings, Williams) while the defense continues to get absolutely gashed to the point where Fewell is 100% gone (He's 99% now). If we lose most, fine by me. If we win, fine by me as well.

Personally, i'd like to start fresh with a new staff overhaul (Except for McAdoo). Deep down though, I think Coughlin is getting an extension regardless of how we finish so i'll be fine with wins.
"I'd trade down."  
drkenneth : 11/25/2014 3:44 pm : link
-BBI
Correction: "I'd trade down."  
drkenneth : 11/25/2014 3:45 pm : link
-BBI on every draft for past 15 years. And it's never happened.
I'd agree this is a 5-win season  
JonC : 11/25/2014 3:46 pm : link
picking 6-9 range.
As long as we get Denzel Perryman!  
Vin R : 11/25/2014 3:48 pm : link
;-)
I don't think Nassib should (or would) start over a healthy Eli  
jcn56 : 11/25/2014 3:53 pm : link
but, in a blowout, especially one where the OL has been particularly miserable - I think Nassib should get tossed out there.

In part to see if his mobility helps the OL at all, and in part to keep Eli healthy. The guy has taken a ton of beatings over the past couple of years, and I don't think subjecting him to late game blowouts is really going to help us in any way.
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