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Better career: Eli Manning v. Kurt Warner

RDJR : 11/25/2014 10:05 pm
Was listening to Russo today on SiriusXM and he was comparing Eli to Kurt Warner. He opined that Warner was a better player. I'm not so sure, but they have had similar careers statistically. I don't believe either is currently hall of fame worthy. Thoughts?

Warner played 12 years, 125 games, 66-49 record, 65.5 comp %, 32344 yards, 208 TDs, 128 ints, 93.7 QBR, 9-4 playoff record. 1 SB win, 2 losses. 4 time pro bowler and 2 time First team all pro.

Eli through 10 seasons and 11 games, 164 games, 88-74 record, 58.8 comp.%, 38178 yards, 250 TDs, 183 ints., 81.8 QBR, 8-3 playoff record, 2 SB wins. 3 time pro bowler.

Warner Defintely!  
soolfacts : 11/25/2014 10:15 pm : link
Kurt Warner definitely. I don't remember Kurt embarrassing himself and being the reason his team lost games for two consecutive years. Eli needs to either get better next year or the Giants have to consider turning the page. We can't keep having years where the veteran QB is throwing games away. Sorry if this makes some of your panties steam up but it does not matter most people get offended by the truth anyway.
It's close but  
Fort Mill Mike : 11/25/2014 10:19 pm : link
I didn't realize Eli had that many more wins that Warner. All other things considered, Warner had the better supporting cast and Eli has one more Super Bowl win, I give him the edge.
close  
dancing blue bear : 11/25/2014 10:22 pm : link
closer than i would have guessed. Warner was a more dominant player in the reg season. Eli has the extra SB win, and 2 SB MVPs. plus the greatest upset in SB history. plus 2 of the more dominant (or at least memorable) playoff runs in recent memort.

Gotta remember warner played in the dome, with the best offense of it's time. which he directed. Also the nfc west was pretty soft back then. Eli plays in the nfc east which is nasty.

I think warner might get into the hall. there has been rumblings. I think they are both close. Eli has a few years left, and hopefully (at least) 1 good run at it.

but certainly comparable careers to date
RE: Warner Defintely!  
SanFranGiantsFan : 11/25/2014 10:23 pm : link
In comment 12001619 soolfacts said:
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Kurt Warner definitely. I don't remember Kurt embarrassing himself and being the reason his team lost games for two consecutive years. Eli needs to either get better next year or the Giants have to consider turning the page. We can't keep having years where the veteran QB is throwing games away. Sorry if this makes some of your panties steam up but it does not matter most people get offended by the truth anyway.


Just STFU.
Ask youself this question....  
soolfacts : 11/25/2014 10:23 pm : link
If you could have either one of them at age 30 who would you want being your offensive field general? Kurt Warner no question.
Ive seen both Qbs play  
dep026 : 11/25/2014 10:25 pm : link
with complete shit for an OL. Warner got benched and set records for most times sacked and fumbles. I saw Eli win a SB.
look at warners sb numbers  
weeg in the bronx : 11/25/2014 10:28 pm : link
They are great. He handed the game to his defense twice only to see the sb lost after what he thought were game winning drives. He's fragile but he was great.
.  
FStubbs : 11/25/2014 10:29 pm : link
Warner played for more hyped offenses and has a better QB rating. He has a decent shot at the hall.

Eli won't make it in without at least another ring. He may even need 2 more rings to make it in. Right now he's seen as a Jim Plunkett. An okay QB who won a couple of rings.
If Eli can get it together.......  
soolfacts : 11/25/2014 10:31 pm : link
he can change my mind. Kurts body of work is complete and secure. Elisha Nelson Manning needs to put in some serious work to change course because right now he is a liability. Again, sorry if this truth is offensive to you young ladies. The interceptions must come to an abrupt end and if they don't then as Giants fans all we will have are memories of a pretty decent QB that lost his way.
soolfacts  
dep026 : 11/25/2014 10:38 pm : link
11/14....

You dont have to look it up people.
dep026....  
soolfacts : 11/25/2014 10:42 pm : link
that is over my head. But that is ok, some people think I am a few fries short of a happy meal. Any chance you can elaborate for a dim wit like me?
If you really give a shit about numbers other than SB wins  
David B. : 11/25/2014 10:43 pm : link
Don't forget, Eli's numbers will likely be FAR better than Kurt's when he finally retires.
Until then, Eli will just lead him in SB wins and modestly by the other numbers that people without SB wins hang their careers on.
Definitely two of the strangest careers  
bceagle05 : 11/25/2014 10:44 pm : link
among borderline HOF quarterbacks. I'd give an edge to Warner - his ceiling was higher, as evidenced by the league MVPs that Eli has yet to sniff. Eli's got time to change it though. One more Super Bowl run and Eli will leave an awful lot of great QBs in his rearview mirror.
David.....  
soolfacts : 11/25/2014 10:49 pm : link
I am not trying to be confrontational, but what are you basing Eli's future performance on. How are we going to make Super Bowl runs if he continues to throw games away? How much longer do the Giants stick with a QB that throws so many interceptions and our team loses games because of them. Now Brett Favre threw plenty of interceptions but I don't remember if they hindered the packers from being competitive and from making playoff runs. Or did Green Bay part ways with him after they could not tolerate the turnovers anymore?
Howimetyourmook....  
Ryan : 11/25/2014 10:53 pm : link
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RE: Warner Defintely!  
jamesmichaelworm : 11/25/2014 11:00 pm : link
In comment 12001619 soolfacts said:
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Kurt Warner definitely. I don't remember Kurt embarrassing himself and being the reason his team lost games for two consecutive years. Eli needs to either get better next year or the Giants have to consider turning the page. We can't keep having years where the veteran QB is throwing games away. Sorry if this makes some of your panties steam up but it does not matter most people get offended by the truth anyway.

I remember the Giants defense embarrassing kurt Warner his last years with the Rams he couldnt see the blitz and got sacked numerous times
Kurt Warner  
YAJ2112 : 11/25/2014 11:06 pm : link
Age 31 season - 2002 - record 0-6
Age 32 season - 2003 - record 0-1

couldn't stay on the field and was awful when he did. Got replaced by the immortal Mark Bulger and was released. I'd say there's no comparison to Eli.
Yeah Kurt was MIA for awhile.  
bceagle05 : 11/25/2014 11:11 pm : link
The body of work argument will definitely favor Eli. Probably already does.
Kurt and Eli at age 33.  
soolfacts : 11/25/2014 11:17 pm : link
Funny, when KW was 33 he played 10 games with the NY Giants with a terrible offensive line. In those 10 games he threw 4 interceptions. Eli Manning in 2014 is 33 and has a sub par O line and he has thrown 12 Ints in 11 games. 11 in 10 games. We have Elisha Nelson Manning right now so again, let's hope he gets better.
RE: Warner Defintely!  
Sonic Youth : 11/25/2014 11:21 pm : link
In comment 12001619 soolfacts said:
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Kurt Warner definitely. I don't remember Kurt embarrassing himself and being the reason his team lost games for two consecutive years. Eli needs to either get better next year or the Giants have to consider turning the page. We can't keep having years where the veteran QB is throwing games away. Sorry if this makes some of your panties steam up but it does not matter most people get offended by the truth anyway.
11/14 registration date
Does Kurt Warner  
PA Giant Fan : 11/25/2014 11:22 pm : link
Win either green bay game in the freezing cold or the SF game getting his ass planted repeatedly? I say no.
Warner also fumbled 12 times  
YAJ2112 : 11/25/2014 11:24 pm : link
in those 10 games.
They both have had a strange career  
JOrthman : 11/25/2014 11:28 pm : link
However, Warner will get in first ballot. The media loves him and overlooks the pedestrian years he had.
Eli by far IMO  
Scuzzlebutt : 11/26/2014 12:13 am : link
Eli never had the kind of weapons Kurt had. That Rams team put up great numbers with Trent Green at the helm. Kurt might have better numbers but Eli is a better QB.
just  
blue42 : 11/26/2014 12:14 am : link
dumb....have Eli show Russo those two rings. Debate over.
Gotta admit, I really wouldn't have guessed Eli had  
j_rud : 11/26/2014 12:20 am : link
thrown for so many more yards and TDs than Warner.
Eli played most of his entire career in an offense that was akin  
SHO'NUFF : 11/26/2014 12:33 am : link
to pulling teeth for a QB...finally, when he has something that resembles a 2010s offense that takes advantage of today's NFL pass-friendly rules, he has a shit line and a head coach that insists on running the ball at 1 yard a clip.

Folks, Eli will NEVER EVER EVER win this argument.
Not even close  
BigBlueBull : 11/26/2014 1:23 am : link
Give Eli an all-time LT like Orlando Pace. Throw in an insanely talented back like Faulk, and outside guys named Bruce and Holt. Eli'd have won 3-4 straight with a clean pocket and those weapons.

No knock on Snee. Or any of the other Giants o-linemen. We never had a Pace. We never had a Faulk.

Warner was finished here. He went to greener pastures and still could not do what Eli did.
RE: look at warners sb numbers  
Jesse B : 11/26/2014 6:43 am : link
In comment 12001638 weeg in the bronx said:
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They are great. He handed the game to his defense twice only to see the sb lost after what he thought were game winning drives. He's fragile but he was great.



Did throw that bad pick 6 vs the Steelers which could have let them pull away from the game. 10-14 points swing there
RE: Definitely two of the strangest careers  
Jesse B : 11/26/2014 6:44 am : link
In comment 12001655 bceagle05 said:
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among borderline HOF quarterbacks. I'd give an edge to Warner - his ceiling was higher, as evidenced by the league MVPs that Eli has yet to sniff. Eli's got time to change it though. One more Super Bowl run and Eli will leave an awful lot of great QBs in his rearview mirror.


Should have sniffed it in 2011. That was an historically good season especially with the worst running game in the league
RE: Kurt and Eli at age 33.  
TomTom : 11/26/2014 7:05 am : link
In comment 12001674 soolfacts said:
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Funny, when KW was 33 he played 10 games with the NY Giants with a terrible offensive line. In those 10 games he threw 4 interceptions. Eli Manning in 2014 is 33 and has a sub par O line and he has thrown 12 Ints in 11 games. 11 in 10 games. We have Elisha Nelson Manning right now so again, let's hope he gets better.


I swear you guys don't watch the fucking games. Yeah Warener only threw 4ints in those 10 games, but he only threw 6 TDs, while Eli thru 10 games threw 18 this season, and now has 21. Plus Kurt Warner had a Tiki Barber that was leading the league in rushing. He broke Joe Morris record that year. I'm not so sure that Oline was that bad if that was done....Someone else said Eli never sniffed a league MVP, we all know he was the best player in the NFL in 2011. If you don't think that, you are not paying attention. We won 9 regular season games that year, and 6 of them were 4th quarter game wining drives by Eli. He also broke Johnny U and his brothers TD pass record in the forth quarter that year with 15. Kurt was a great player, but he has never done what Eli has done. They both are worthy of the Hall of fame.
Another Point about Warner was  
TomTom : 11/26/2014 7:12 am : link
if you read the Accorssi book, The GM, it said they made the switch from Warner to Eli because for whatever reason Kurt became gun shy and was holding on to the ball to long, so that oline wasn't that bad.
re  
diable : 11/26/2014 7:38 am : link
Warner broke his a hand (rebroke) and it affected his grip. He could hold the ball. Had it not been for those injuries I doubt the Rams would never let him walk. It took him many years to recover.










typo  
diable : 11/26/2014 7:39 am : link
Typo

He couldn't hold the ball.
RE: re  
TomTom : 11/26/2014 8:08 am : link
In comment 12001787 diable said:
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Warner broke his a hand (rebroke) and it affected his grip. He could hold the ball. Had it not been for those injuries I doubt the Rams would never let him walk. It took him many years to recover.


Eli's ability to never miss a game should factor into his greatness. He has brought stability to this franchise.






Warner's career was akin to mattingly or t. Davis  
bhill410 : 11/26/2014 8:19 am : link
Before the hand injury and during his recovery from him he was extremely good. Anyone who says they would take Eli over him during his peak years is simply not being honest. Know there is longevity and all of that but when they were at their best warner was a much much better qb.
RE: Warner's career was akin to mattingly or t. Davis  
TomTom : 11/26/2014 8:24 am : link
In comment 12001815 bhill410 said:
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Before the hand injury and during his recovery from him he was extremely good. Anyone who says they would take Eli over him during his peak years is simply not being honest. Know there is longevity and all of that but when they were at their best warner was a much much better qb.


To be fair though, Warner's best years, he might have been surrounded by 4 Hall of fame players, Faulk, Bruce, Holt, and Pace. The only hall of fame player Eli has played with is Strahan, and Tiki is borderline.
RE: .  
USAF NYG Fan : 11/26/2014 8:44 am : link
In comment 12001639 FStubbs said:
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Eli won't make it in without at least another ring. He may even need 2 more rings to make it in. Right now he's seen as a Jim Plunkett. An okay QB who won a couple of rings.

Anyone that sees Eli as Jim Plunkett is a fool. The only people I hear making this comparison are haters. Those that will judge him for the Hall of Fame will look at the entire body of work and quickly see otherwise.

Jim Plunkett was never voted to a Pro Bowl, threw more interceptions then touchdowns, and had an even win/loss record. Of his SB victories he received 1 SB MVP. He played for 15 years and threw for 25,882 yards. He had a career passer rating of 67.45.

Eli Manning has been to 3 Pro Bowls, has a 247/182 TD/Interception ratio, and has a 97/77 win/loss record. Of his SB victories he was the MVP of both. He is still playing but after 10 years he has thrown for 37,840 yards. Career passer rating thus far is 81.24.

They're practically twins! I also continually point out that only 5 QBs in the history of the sport have received 2 or more SB MVPs. 3 of them are already in the Hall of Fame and the 4th (Brady) is a lock. Is Eli a lock, no. Is he a first ballot, eh, maybe/maybe not. However, Jim Plunkett, hell no.
sool  
blakjedi : 11/26/2014 8:45 am : link
is a tool.

please ban him.

thx,

mgmt
warner  
Les in TO : 11/26/2014 8:56 am : link
was generally more accurate and had better touch on both long balls and checkdowns, a better starter to games and threw less INTs; he also had the amazing show on turf and a HOF larry fitzgerald to throw to; eli took less sacks/fumbles and was a better finisher than a starter to games. neither of them were a threat to run the ball. both were clutch.

If they played head to head and all surrounding talent being equal in a championship game I would pick Eli, but it's close.
RE: look at warners sb numbers  
rsjem1979 : 11/26/2014 9:06 am : link
In comment 12001638 weeg in the bronx said:
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They are great. He handed the game to his defense twice only to see the sb lost after what he thought were game winning drives. He's fragile but he was great.


The first time he "handed the game to his defense" it was a tie game, partially because Warner threw a pick-six in the first half to give the Patriots the lead. He threw another INT in the 2nd half that put the Patriots in position to lead 17-3. Yeah, he rallied the Rams to a tie game and was hoping for OT, but the last time they were ahead in that game was 3-0 in the 1st quarter.

In the Super Bowl against the Steelers, the Cardinals were going to be tied at the half, at worst (trailing 10-7) when Warner threw a brutal INT at the goal line that Harrison returned for a TD. Now, I won't blame Warner for the TD, but the pass was awful and prevented the Cardinals from an almost certain score right before halftime.

Let's cool it on Warner's Super Bowl heroics.

what's going on today?  
NoPeanutz : 11/26/2014 9:23 am : link
RE: warner  
JOrthman : 11/26/2014 9:28 am : link
In comment 12001859 Les in TO said:
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was generally more accurate and had better touch on both long balls and checkdowns, a better starter to games and threw less INTs; he also had the amazing show on turf and a HOF larry fitzgerald to throw to; eli took less sacks/fumbles and was a better finisher than a starter to games. neither of them were a threat to run the ball. both were clutch.

If they played head to head and all surrounding talent being equal in a championship game I would pick Eli, but it's close.


Forget Fitz, look what he had when he was with the Rams. Also, he had Fitz and a young Bolden at the same time.
RE: RE: Definitely two of the strangest careers  
bceagle05 : 11/26/2014 10:48 am : link
In comment 12001764 Jesse B said:
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In comment 12001655 bceagle05 said:


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among borderline HOF quarterbacks. I'd give an edge to Warner - his ceiling was higher, as evidenced by the league MVPs that Eli has yet to sniff. Eli's got time to change it though. One more Super Bowl run and Eli will leave an awful lot of great QBs in his rearview mirror.



Should have sniffed it in 2011. That was an historically good season especially with the worst running game in the league


Agree completely.
Eli  
PaulN : 11/26/2014 12:05 pm : link
Is better, but we all must admit to Eli having too many embarrassing moments. But his highs are pretty good, when he is gone and we have gone 10 years without winning a Super Bowl, then he will be appreciated, Simms was also not appreciated, there are so many morons for fans that I have given up even talking here. But I figured with this comparison, I would weigh in. Warner had weapons that Eli could only dream of, and an all world OLine at 1 point, and Pace, who was as good as they get.
If Elisha doesn't play better next year.......  
soolfacts : 11/26/2014 1:20 pm : link
He should not get a new contract.
“This always happens in America. Kobe Bryant, for example — why does he get a two-year contract extension for $50 million? Because of what he is going to do in the next two years for the Lakers? Of course not. Of course not. He gets it because of what he has done before. It makes no sense. Why do you pay for what has already happened?”
I forgot ...  
soolfacts : 11/26/2014 1:21 pm : link
The quote should be attributed to Jurgen Klinnsman.
RE: If Elisha doesn't play better next year.......  
TomTom : 11/26/2014 1:23 pm : link
In comment 12002463 soolfacts said:
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He should not get a new contract.
“This always happens in America. Kobe Bryant, for example — why does he get a two-year contract extension for $50 million? Because of what he is going to do in the next two years for the Lakers? Of course not. Of course not. He gets it because of what he has done before. It makes no sense. Why do you pay for what has already happened?”


What do play better mean? He's currently on pace to have tie or surpass career highs in TDS, QB Rating, Competition %. Also on pace for another 4k season, and might be his second lowest number of INTs in a season.
RE: sool  
njm : 11/26/2014 1:30 pm : link
In comment 12001838 blakjedi said:
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is a tool.

please ban him.

thx,

mgmt


He's our Thanksgiving troll. 11/14.
Sool is a tool....  
soolfacts : 11/27/2014 11:49 pm : link
That is a good one. Oh those good ole days in third grade are coming back to me now. "Please ban him." I have another idea, please grow up. I mean many of you on this site act like little children. WAAAAA WAAAAA WAAAAA I don't agree with what so and so said so I am going to cry and moan like a little child. WAAAAAAAA, ban him. Wow! I hope most Gmen fans aren't like the little cry babies on this site.
Tom Tom...  
soolfacts : 11/27/2014 11:52 pm : link
If you are happy with loses then that is great. If Eli does not get better keep him around and get the same results until he is 50 years old. I on the other hand want to see wins to go along with whatever stats are being piled up in loses.
Happy with good stats and loses.  
soolfacts : 11/27/2014 11:58 pm : link
The only stat that matters is the number to the left of the hyphen indicating the amount of wins in a season.
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