Was listening to Russo today on SiriusXM and he was comparing Eli to Kurt Warner. He opined that Warner was a better player. I'm not so sure, but they have had similar careers statistically. I don't believe either is currently hall of fame worthy. Thoughts?
Warner played 12 years, 125 games, 66-49 record, 65.5 comp %, 32344 yards, 208 TDs, 128 ints, 93.7 QBR, 9-4 playoff record. 1 SB win, 2 losses. 4 time pro bowler and 2 time First team all pro.
Eli through 10 seasons and 11 games, 164 games, 88-74 record, 58.8 comp.%, 38178 yards, 250 TDs, 183 ints., 81.8 QBR, 8-3 playoff record, 2 SB wins. 3 time pro bowler.
Gotta remember warner played in the dome, with the best offense of it's time. which he directed. Also the nfc west was pretty soft back then. Eli plays in the nfc east which is nasty.
I think warner might get into the hall. there has been rumblings. I think they are both close. Eli has a few years left, and hopefully (at least) 1 good run at it.
but certainly comparable careers to date
Just STFU.
Eli won't make it in without at least another ring. He may even need 2 more rings to make it in. Right now he's seen as a Jim Plunkett. An okay QB who won a couple of rings.
You dont have to look it up people.
Until then, Eli will just lead him in SB wins and modestly by the other numbers that people without SB wins hang their careers on.
I remember the Giants defense embarrassing kurt Warner his last years with the Rams he couldnt see the blitz and got sacked numerous times
Age 32 season - 2003 - record 0-1
couldn't stay on the field and was awful when he did. Got replaced by the immortal Mark Bulger and was released. I'd say there's no comparison to Eli.
Folks, Eli will NEVER EVER EVER win this argument.
No knock on Snee. Or any of the other Giants o-linemen. We never had a Pace. We never had a Faulk.
Warner was finished here. He went to greener pastures and still could not do what Eli did.
Did throw that bad pick 6 vs the Steelers which could have let them pull away from the game. 10-14 points swing there
Should have sniffed it in 2011. That was an historically good season especially with the worst running game in the league
I swear you guys don't watch the fucking games. Yeah Warener only threw 4ints in those 10 games, but he only threw 6 TDs, while Eli thru 10 games threw 18 this season, and now has 21. Plus Kurt Warner had a Tiki Barber that was leading the league in rushing. He broke Joe Morris record that year. I'm not so sure that Oline was that bad if that was done....Someone else said Eli never sniffed a league MVP, we all know he was the best player in the NFL in 2011. If you don't think that, you are not paying attention. We won 9 regular season games that year, and 6 of them were 4th quarter game wining drives by Eli. He also broke Johnny U and his brothers TD pass record in the forth quarter that year with 15. Kurt was a great player, but he has never done what Eli has done. They both are worthy of the Hall of fame.
He couldn't hold the ball.
Eli's ability to never miss a game should factor into his greatness. He has brought stability to this franchise.
To be fair though, Warner's best years, he might have been surrounded by 4 Hall of fame players, Faulk, Bruce, Holt, and Pace. The only hall of fame player Eli has played with is Strahan, and Tiki is borderline.
Anyone that sees Eli as Jim Plunkett is a fool. The only people I hear making this comparison are haters. Those that will judge him for the Hall of Fame will look at the entire body of work and quickly see otherwise.
Jim Plunkett was never voted to a Pro Bowl, threw more interceptions then touchdowns, and had an even win/loss record. Of his SB victories he received 1 SB MVP. He played for 15 years and threw for 25,882 yards. He had a career passer rating of 67.45.
Eli Manning has been to 3 Pro Bowls, has a 247/182 TD/Interception ratio, and has a 97/77 win/loss record. Of his SB victories he was the MVP of both. He is still playing but after 10 years he has thrown for 37,840 yards. Career passer rating thus far is 81.24.
They're practically twins! I also continually point out that only 5 QBs in the history of the sport have received 2 or more SB MVPs. 3 of them are already in the Hall of Fame and the 4th (Brady) is a lock. Is Eli a lock, no. Is he a first ballot, eh, maybe/maybe not. However, Jim Plunkett, hell no.
please ban him.
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mgmt
If they played head to head and all surrounding talent being equal in a championship game I would pick Eli, but it's close.
The first time he "handed the game to his defense" it was a tie game, partially because Warner threw a pick-six in the first half to give the Patriots the lead. He threw another INT in the 2nd half that put the Patriots in position to lead 17-3. Yeah, he rallied the Rams to a tie game and was hoping for OT, but the last time they were ahead in that game was 3-0 in the 1st quarter.
In the Super Bowl against the Steelers, the Cardinals were going to be tied at the half, at worst (trailing 10-7) when Warner threw a brutal INT at the goal line that Harrison returned for a TD. Now, I won't blame Warner for the TD, but the pass was awful and prevented the Cardinals from an almost certain score right before halftime.
Let's cool it on Warner's Super Bowl heroics.
If they played head to head and all surrounding talent being equal in a championship game I would pick Eli, but it's close.
Forget Fitz, look what he had when he was with the Rams. Also, he had Fitz and a young Bolden at the same time.
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among borderline HOF quarterbacks. I'd give an edge to Warner - his ceiling was higher, as evidenced by the league MVPs that Eli has yet to sniff. Eli's got time to change it though. One more Super Bowl run and Eli will leave an awful lot of great QBs in his rearview mirror.
Should have sniffed it in 2011. That was an historically good season especially with the worst running game in the league
Agree completely.
“This always happens in America. Kobe Bryant, for example — why does he get a two-year contract extension for $50 million? Because of what he is going to do in the next two years for the Lakers? Of course not. Of course not. He gets it because of what he has done before. It makes no sense. Why do you pay for what has already happened?”
“This always happens in America. Kobe Bryant, for example — why does he get a two-year contract extension for $50 million? Because of what he is going to do in the next two years for the Lakers? Of course not. Of course not. He gets it because of what he has done before. It makes no sense. Why do you pay for what has already happened?”
What do play better mean? He's currently on pace to have tie or surpass career highs in TDS, QB Rating, Competition %. Also on pace for another 4k season, and might be his second lowest number of INTs in a season.
please ban him.
thx,
mgmt
He's our Thanksgiving troll. 11/14.