to be a backup and have a change of scenery, i would snap him up in a heartbeat. i'm sure a team like the raiders or texans would snap him up as a starter though.
Three years ago RG3 was a reason people wanted to move on from Eli Â
to be a backup and have a change of scenery, i would snap him up in a heartbeat. i'm sure a team like the raiders or texans would snap him up as a starter though.
Why would you want a QB that isn't even a good QB? Because of the hype? And you wanted to dump Eli? You obviously don't know shit about what it takes to be a QB in this league.
Actually I think Les has been pretty fair in his reasons for dumping Â
even as a temporary one (as mentioned for Harbaugh above).
Two problems with this guy - one, his ego. He's been BMOC for his entire life, and probably won't take well to riding the pine. Two is his inability to deal with adversity, which Gruden has been riding him for and seems pretty clear in all his statements to the press and his actions. He's not tough enough to be a leader, and at the first sign of adversity he's going to fold like a cheap suit.
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I'd take him as a backup. Under the right coaching staff and in the right lockerroom he could be an asset. Plus, he could be a situational weapon.
Situational play would keep him healthy, too.
He won't be a backup, though.
Somehow, I would rather have a backup QB, who fits into the current system rather than having to make up gimmick plays or even dumb the plays down further since we know that RGIII really had success in one read passing plays (Read Option PA to Garcon over the middle or down deep to his speed receiver).
And the moment you try to make a QB a situational weapon, you've already conceded that the QB is incapable of actually being a viable QB for a team.
to be a backup and have a change of scenery, i would snap him up in a heartbeat. i'm sure a team like the raiders or texans would snap him up as a starter though.
Why would you want a QB that isn't even a good QB? Because of the hype? And you wanted to dump Eli? You obviously don't know shit about what it takes to be a QB in this league.
you must have missed where I said I'd like RG3 to be a BACKUP. I recognize that based on Mara's comments Eli is not going anywhere next year.
I recognize that having a QB with a good arm that can also take off is a true weapon. See Vick in his rookie year, Luck, Rogers, Brees etc. RG3 showed a lot in his rookie season and I think with the right coaching staff and full commitment to his team and improving his craft and system he can still be a very good QB in this league.
The Redskins are as dysfunctional team as there is in the NFL.
Couldn't hurt to have him in camp with a stable organization and solid lockerroom like the Giants.
One might assume he would be humbled by all of this. And really, do you think the guy has balls big enough to come in the Giants lockerroom and pull that? I think that would get shut down real quick, even if he tried it.
to be a backup and have a change of scenery, i would snap him up in a heartbeat. i'm sure a team like the raiders or texans would snap him up as a starter though.
Why would you want a QB that isn't even a good QB? Because of the hype? And you wanted to dump Eli? You obviously don't know shit about what it takes to be a QB in this league.
you must have missed where I said I'd like RG3 to be a BACKUP. I recognize that based on Mara's comments Eli is not going anywhere next year.
I recognize that having a QB with a good arm that can also take off is a true weapon. See Vick in his rookie year, Luck, Rogers, Brees etc. RG3 showed a lot in his rookie season and I think with the right coaching staff and full commitment to his team and improving his craft and system he can still be a very good QB in this league.
Putting too much emphasis on "good arm" (and I'm assuming you mean arm strength) and the ability to run while using Luck, Rodgers, and Brees is an insult to those three players you (and I) just mentioned. Luck, Rodgers, and Brees have something that RGIII lacks, which is consistent accuracy and more importantly the ability to make the proper reads to play beyond one's first read. Of course RGIII showed a lot during his rookie year, no one had much tape on him, and the Redskins offense was predicated on read-option PA pass that was almost exclusively dependent on one read passes. Why do you think Garcon was so successful that season?
RGIII may have been able to be a decent QB, but his first two years were stunted by the coaches preventing him from growing as an NFL QB instead of a "weapon." A QB's first priority is to be a good passer, not a weapon.
The Redskins are as dysfunctional team as there is in the NFL.
Couldn't hurt to have him in camp with a stable organization and solid lockerroom like the Giants.
One might assume he would be humbled by all of this. And really, do you think the guy has balls big enough to come in the Giants lockerroom and pull that? I think that would get shut down real quick, even if he tried it.
He's still a first round talent.
Either way, will never happen.
And Akili Smith was also considered a first round talent with similar skillset.
And I agree that it will never happen so this whole argument is moot, but to think that RGIII will be a good QB, even as a backup seems laughable. RGIII was/is a great talent...good QB, he isn't.
He's not a pocket passer and his running days are behind him. What exactly does he bring to the table to qualify as the go-to guy if your starting QB goes down for a few games?
He had a ton of success in his rookie season, but only because he QB'd a gimmick offense. All of his success came from the read option and hitting his first WR and then running. Nobody is going to last in the NFL like that, especially someone as frail and injury prone as RGMe.
He relied solely on his insane athletic ability and never thought he had to work to be a real NFL QB that can actually read defenses and pass from the pocket. Now that he knows he can't rely on athleticism(because he doesn't have it anymore), he looks like absolute dog crap. Can he fix it? Doubtful, he's never shown the ability to pass from the pocket and read defenses and go through progressions.
it is so hard to find a QB. I would rather Coughlin and McAdoo stay as opposed to having THREE different offensive systems in three seasons. The offense has some pieces and I'd like to see it continue to build. If you told me there was a blue chip QB prospect in this draft I would be all in for Ernie Accorsi's belief in that you go get a franchise QB when you have the chance to do so.
he's been an egomaniac. Its always been about him.
Could he turn it around? Maybe, but doubtful. To play that position you have to be supremely confident, but not arrogant. That idiot, was always arrogant.
I want to blame the Skins for ruining him b/c they are the biggest joke in the league, but as time goes on, I think its all about him not doing enough, and not being the person you need to play the position.
Guy has off the charts abilities, physically. He is, however, a mental midget. As soon as he sees failure and everyone isn't kissing his ass, he flames up.
The Redskins are as dysfunctional team as there is in the NFL.
Couldn't hurt to have him in camp with a stable organization and solid lockerroom like the Giants.
One might assume he would be humbled by all of this. And really, do you think the guy has balls big enough to come in the Giants lockerroom and pull that? I think that would get shut down real quick, even if he tried it.
He's still a first round talent.
Either way, will never happen.
There's a chance he's humbled in the process and turns out to be OK.
There's also a chance he's disgruntled, starts leaking shit about the team to the press anonymously, and takes that stable environment and turns it on it's head.
There's a reason some of these environments are stable, it's because they avoid troublemakers. Despite appearances to the contrary at times, it does look like RG3 is a problem.
want him, even as a backup. Not sure why anyone would. Nassib is a better QB than RGIII. Just another first round QB flame out. The NFL graveyard is littered with top ten QBs who couldn't play. Teams will keep trying of course, because it is the premier position. Here is what the Redskins have done in that regard:
Used a top five pick on Heath Shuler.
Used a low first round pick on Patrick Ramsey.
Used a first and a second on Jason Campbell.
Used two firsts and a second on RGIII.
Would they try for Mariota if he is still on the board when the pick?
But getting him away from the Redskins and Snyder's enabling hero-worship could only help. If he had the humility to admit that he needs to remake himself as a pocket passer, I think he's got the physical ability to be a good one.
he has other issues..he can't read defenses. That is the elephnat in the room that nobody wants to talk about. Secondly, he can only excel in the read option because he has no ability to throw to a spot to where the WR WILL be open. The read option allowed RG3 to get open looks becasue the the defesne had to wait until they see what he was doing. It froze them..
He is a project right now. He would fit Seattle perfect because it's the same style, but he is not elusive..he would need to go to a team with a pro style offense if he wants to be a QB.
Or Snyder dumps Gruden and brings in Baylor's head coach..
I was one of the people that liked RG3 over Luck in that draft. My thinking was influenced heavily by having seen each play only a couple games and coming away more impressed by RG3 as a passer. That opinion was only made stronger by Greg Cosell's article on the two that had RG3 has a slightly better thrower of the ball.
I participate in the BBI mock draft for the Colts, and I took RG3 over Luck in that mock. At the time my impression was that they were basically a wash in each category except for athleticism, where even though Luck is an excellent athlete RG3 is elite. Both guys had impeccable reputations so that wasn't a concern.
And I felt good about the pick in the mock draft after the first year. I thought RG3 looked like a better player. But that went out the door when he got hurt and those idiots continued to play him. And then I can only imagine the poison poured in his ear by the owner.
Flip RG3's and Russel Wilson's situations, and RG3 might be the best player in the league IMO. But life doesn't work that way. RG3 would have been better off pulling an Elway/Eli and demanding to go to a different team.
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I was one of the people that liked RG3 over Luck in that draft. My thinking was influenced heavily by having seen each play only a couple games and coming away more impressed by RG3 as a passer. That opinion was only made stronger by Greg Cosell's article on the two that had RG3 has a slightly better thrower of the ball.
I participate in the BBI mock draft for the Colts, and I took RG3 over Luck in that mock. At the time my impression was that they were basically a wash in each category except for athleticism, where even though Luck is an excellent athlete RG3 is elite. Both guys had impeccable reputations so that wasn't a concern.
And I felt good about the pick in the mock draft after the first year. I thought RG3 looked like a better player. But that went out the door when he got hurt and those idiots continued to play him. And then I can only imagine the poison poured in his ear by the owner.
Flip RG3's and Russel Wilson's situations, and RG3 might be the best player in the league IMO. But life doesn't work that way. RG3 would have been better off pulling an Elway/Eli and demanding to go to a different team.
Wilson is much smarter and safer with his body. RGIII would have a problem staying healthy wherever he goes.
RG3 had his career ruined by Shanny and injuries Â
Oh, I get that. Getting out of DC is only the first step, and there's no guarantee he smartens up in a different environment. I feel pretty certain, though, that he would never change if he stays a Redskin.
You have to be kidding about switching rg3 and Wilson. One guy has no ego and is a team player, the other thinks he's gods gift to the NFL. Rg3 was a major risk coming into the NFL with serious injuries in college. Wilson is an incredibly smart QB that makes huge plays in huge moments. Rg3 isn't in wilsons class.
You have to be kidding about switching rg3 and Wilson. One guy has no ego and is a team player, the other thinks he's gods gift to the NFL. Rg3 was a major risk coming into the NFL with serious injuries in college. Wilson is an incredibly smart QB that makes huge plays in huge moments. Rg3 isn't in wilsons class.
I think he had that potential.
Washington is a dysfunctional organization with a deluded high pressure fan base and a crazy owner.
Maybe if he goes to the pacific northwest, plays a little read option in smaller doses, and just manages a game more with a great D, he'd be awesome.
He's definitely more athletically talented than WIlson, and during his rookie year, was able to pass the ball just as well if not better.
People are really underrating RG3's rookie year. It was arguably an all time great rookie season. The Redskins ruined him.
65.6% 3200 yards 20 touchdowns 5 INT (8 yards per attempt)
"Overrated novelty act".
I think that season kind of works both ways. It shows that there is talent there, but when you consider the kind of offense he played in that season and the fact that he physically can't play that style anymore, he's going to have to adapt. Thus far, he's refused to face that fact. As the Skins beat writer quoted in the other Bob thread detailed, that was the main driver of the conflict between the Shanahans and Bob. They wanted him to adapt to a different offense, as well as take the time to fully heal, and Griffin refused. Since Danny Boy lets him do whatever he wants, Shanahan got fired and Bob was empowered to continue being a jackass.
He inherited a team on the ascent and has never been asked to carry the load on offense (Seattle is last in passes attempted by far since he was drafted).
RG3 stepped into a disaster.
Fox Sports also reporting the beginning of the end Â
there's is alot that been said that isn't really in the natinal conscious. he has bad study habits and it' sbeen confirmed. he doesn't spend a lot of time in the study room.
There is also the issue that his Father does not want him to run the read option. His father said that a "running quarterback is a loser quarterback"..
i thihk the perception that the Shanny's ruined him is waay overblown. They made him what he is buy adopting Baylor's offense. The problem is, RG3 does NOT want to be that kind of QB. He wants to be a pocket passer and unfortunately, he does not have the prokcet presence to be one..
You can't play QB in the NFL. Clean pocket, two open corner routes, three open options underneath, and Griffin pulls down the ball, scrambles right (into the path of the DE) and ends up throwing the ball away.
great post…..I met Cooley on vacation couple years back. Awesome guy, bought my friends and myself rounds of drinks, hung out by the pool and eventually asked a group of us if we want to go fishing with him and his friend which we declined because he wouldnt let us chip in for the boat.
We talked football and this guy is definitely a student of the game. Some great analysis there and really true stuff. RG3 is just not the same guy he was as a rookie. He ran the option his rookie year and his body just couldnt support it. Now hes asked to be a pocket QB in Grudens system and he cannot do it. Sadly for them, Mccoy gives them a better chance to win.
is nowhere near Wilson's level. He was close for about 2 months and that was back in 2012. That didn't last. Wilson isn't perfect but he can play from the pocket and make the reads. Bob can't do this very well. Never could.
And I am shocked that people liked Bob more than Luck. Luck was as sure a thing as you would get while Bob was an athlete who played QB well only because of his athleticism. Nothing wrong with that, but he was never the player or NFL prospect Luck was. I don't care how gifted Bob was, you never ever ever take that kind of QB over a QB like Luck.
Lets get rid of Eli for a boatload and get Bob on the cheap... Â
for having a backup with more mobility. Joe Montana had Steve Young. Shit, Simms had Hostetler. It adds another dimension, and catches teams off guards if, god forbid, you had to have a sub.
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for having a backup with more mobility. Joe Montana had Steve Young. Shit, Simms had Hostetler. It adds another dimension, and catches teams off guards if, god forbid, you had to have a sub.
Sure, but unlike RGIII, Young and Hosteler could both actually play the position by reading the defense and going through their progressions. Why would you want a backup that lacks some of the most fundamental skills in a system like ours just because he can run?
And you don't sign a backup to use him as a situational weapon to throw the opponent off guards. You sign a backup, who can hold down the fort while your starter heals, which may last into weeks or even a season.
The NFL has figured out how to defense the running quarterbacks Â
Make them pass from the pocket. Wilson is another of this group who struggles from the pocket. He has been carried by a good defense that is not as good this year. He has not been able to pick up the slack and does not make average receivers better.
Why would you want a QB that isn't even a good QB? Because of the hype? And you wanted to dump Eli? You obviously don't know shit about what it takes to be a QB in this league.
Maybe...I just remembered that thread and all of those calling for Eli to be dumped sort of blend together to me.
However, for anyone to say that they want RGIII as a backup QB can't be taken seriously, imo.
Situational play would keep him healthy, too.
He won't be a backup, though.
Two problems with this guy - one, his ego. He's been BMOC for his entire life, and probably won't take well to riding the pine. Two is his inability to deal with adversity, which Gruden has been riding him for and seems pretty clear in all his statements to the press and his actions. He's not tough enough to be a leader, and at the first sign of adversity he's going to fold like a cheap suit.
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Situational play would keep him healthy, too.
He won't be a backup, though.
Somehow, I would rather have a backup QB, who fits into the current system rather than having to make up gimmick plays or even dumb the plays down further since we know that RGIII really had success in one read passing plays (Read Option PA to Garcon over the middle or down deep to his speed receiver).
And the moment you try to make a QB a situational weapon, you've already conceded that the QB is incapable of actually being a viable QB for a team.
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to be a backup and have a change of scenery, i would snap him up in a heartbeat. i'm sure a team like the raiders or texans would snap him up as a starter though.
Why would you want a QB that isn't even a good QB? Because of the hype? And you wanted to dump Eli? You obviously don't know shit about what it takes to be a QB in this league.
you must have missed where I said I'd like RG3 to be a BACKUP. I recognize that based on Mara's comments Eli is not going anywhere next year.
I recognize that having a QB with a good arm that can also take off is a true weapon. See Vick in his rookie year, Luck, Rogers, Brees etc. RG3 showed a lot in his rookie season and I think with the right coaching staff and full commitment to his team and improving his craft and system he can still be a very good QB in this league.
Couldn't hurt to have him in camp with a stable organization and solid lockerroom like the Giants.
One might assume he would be humbled by all of this. And really, do you think the guy has balls big enough to come in the Giants lockerroom and pull that? I think that would get shut down real quick, even if he tried it.
He's still a first round talent.
Either way, will never happen.
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to be a backup and have a change of scenery, i would snap him up in a heartbeat. i'm sure a team like the raiders or texans would snap him up as a starter though.
Why would you want a QB that isn't even a good QB? Because of the hype? And you wanted to dump Eli? You obviously don't know shit about what it takes to be a QB in this league.
you must have missed where I said I'd like RG3 to be a BACKUP. I recognize that based on Mara's comments Eli is not going anywhere next year.
I recognize that having a QB with a good arm that can also take off is a true weapon. See Vick in his rookie year, Luck, Rogers, Brees etc. RG3 showed a lot in his rookie season and I think with the right coaching staff and full commitment to his team and improving his craft and system he can still be a very good QB in this league.
Putting too much emphasis on "good arm" (and I'm assuming you mean arm strength) and the ability to run while using Luck, Rodgers, and Brees is an insult to those three players you (and I) just mentioned. Luck, Rodgers, and Brees have something that RGIII lacks, which is consistent accuracy and more importantly the ability to make the proper reads to play beyond one's first read. Of course RGIII showed a lot during his rookie year, no one had much tape on him, and the Redskins offense was predicated on read-option PA pass that was almost exclusively dependent on one read passes. Why do you think Garcon was so successful that season?
RGIII may have been able to be a decent QB, but his first two years were stunted by the coaches preventing him from growing as an NFL QB instead of a "weapon." A QB's first priority is to be a good passer, not a weapon.
Couldn't hurt to have him in camp with a stable organization and solid lockerroom like the Giants.
One might assume he would be humbled by all of this. And really, do you think the guy has balls big enough to come in the Giants lockerroom and pull that? I think that would get shut down real quick, even if he tried it.
He's still a first round talent.
Either way, will never happen.
And Akili Smith was also considered a first round talent with similar skillset.
And I agree that it will never happen so this whole argument is moot, but to think that RGIII will be a good QB, even as a backup seems laughable. RGIII was/is a great talent...good QB, he isn't.
Nothing as of right now.
He relied solely on his insane athletic ability and never thought he had to work to be a real NFL QB that can actually read defenses and pass from the pocket. Now that he knows he can't rely on athleticism(because he doesn't have it anymore), he looks like absolute dog crap. Can he fix it? Doubtful, he's never shown the ability to pass from the pocket and read defenses and go through progressions.
Could he turn it around? Maybe, but doubtful. To play that position you have to be supremely confident, but not arrogant. That idiot, was always arrogant.
I want to blame the Skins for ruining him b/c they are the biggest joke in the league, but as time goes on, I think its all about him not doing enough, and not being the person you need to play the position.
Guy has off the charts abilities, physically. He is, however, a mental midget. As soon as he sees failure and everyone isn't kissing his ass, he flames up.
Couldn't hurt to have him in camp with a stable organization and solid lockerroom like the Giants.
One might assume he would be humbled by all of this. And really, do you think the guy has balls big enough to come in the Giants lockerroom and pull that? I think that would get shut down real quick, even if he tried it.
He's still a first round talent.
Either way, will never happen.
There's a chance he's humbled in the process and turns out to be OK.
There's also a chance he's disgruntled, starts leaking shit about the team to the press anonymously, and takes that stable environment and turns it on it's head.
There's a reason some of these environments are stable, it's because they avoid troublemakers. Despite appearances to the contrary at times, it does look like RG3 is a problem.
Used a top five pick on Heath Shuler.
Used a low first round pick on Patrick Ramsey.
Used a first and a second on Jason Campbell.
Used two firsts and a second on RGIII.
Would they try for Mariota if he is still on the board when the pick?
RG III over Luck? Another good call by Stanley....
LOL...
He'd definitely need to humble himself a bit first. His head has gotten so big since he came into the league.
Washington trading him to Philly, then RG3 winning a division - might send all of the Redskin faithful out to find their local suicide hotline.
He is a project right now. He would fit Seattle perfect because it's the same style, but he is not elusive..he would need to go to a team with a pro style offense if he wants to be a QB.
Or Snyder dumps Gruden and brings in Baylor's head coach..
I participate in the BBI mock draft for the Colts, and I took RG3 over Luck in that mock. At the time my impression was that they were basically a wash in each category except for athleticism, where even though Luck is an excellent athlete RG3 is elite. Both guys had impeccable reputations so that wasn't a concern.
And I felt good about the pick in the mock draft after the first year. I thought RG3 looked like a better player. But that went out the door when he got hurt and those idiots continued to play him. And then I can only imagine the poison poured in his ear by the owner.
Flip RG3's and Russel Wilson's situations, and RG3 might be the best player in the league IMO. But life doesn't work that way. RG3 would have been better off pulling an Elway/Eli and demanding to go to a different team.
I participate in the BBI mock draft for the Colts, and I took RG3 over Luck in that mock. At the time my impression was that they were basically a wash in each category except for athleticism, where even though Luck is an excellent athlete RG3 is elite. Both guys had impeccable reputations so that wasn't a concern.
And I felt good about the pick in the mock draft after the first year. I thought RG3 looked like a better player. But that went out the door when he got hurt and those idiots continued to play him. And then I can only imagine the poison poured in his ear by the owner.
Flip RG3's and Russel Wilson's situations, and RG3 might be the best player in the league IMO. But life doesn't work that way. RG3 would have been better off pulling an Elway/Eli and demanding to go to a different team.
Wilson is much smarter and safer with his body. RGIII would have a problem staying healthy wherever he goes.
How funny would it be to see the Rams bring him in for competition to Austin Davis, see him win out, and be a star on the Rams after all this.
65.6% 3200 yards 20 touchdowns 5 INT (8 yards per attempt)
"Overrated novelty act".
I think he had that potential.
Washington is a dysfunctional organization with a deluded high pressure fan base and a crazy owner.
Maybe if he goes to the pacific northwest, plays a little read option in smaller doses, and just manages a game more with a great D, he'd be awesome.
He's definitely more athletically talented than WIlson, and during his rookie year, was able to pass the ball just as well if not better.
People are really underrating RG3's rookie year. It was arguably an all time great rookie season. The Redskins ruined him.
65.6% 3200 yards 20 touchdowns 5 INT (8 yards per attempt)
"Overrated novelty act".
I think that season kind of works both ways. It shows that there is talent there, but when you consider the kind of offense he played in that season and the fact that he physically can't play that style anymore, he's going to have to adapt. Thus far, he's refused to face that fact. As the Skins beat writer quoted in the other Bob thread detailed, that was the main driver of the conflict between the Shanahans and Bob. They wanted him to adapt to a different offense, as well as take the time to fully heal, and Griffin refused. Since Danny Boy lets him do whatever he wants, Shanahan got fired and Bob was empowered to continue being a jackass.
RG3 stepped into a disaster.
Griffin's Career Over...In Washington, Anyway - ( New Window )
There is also the issue that his Father does not want him to run the read option. His father said that a "running quarterback is a loser quarterback"..
i thihk the perception that the Shanny's ruined him is waay overblown. They made him what he is buy adopting Baylor's offense. The problem is, RG3 does NOT want to be that kind of QB. He wants to be a pocket passer and unfortunately, he does not have the prokcet presence to be one..
You can't play QB in the NFL. Clean pocket, two open corner routes, three open options underneath, and Griffin pulls down the ball, scrambles right (into the path of the DE) and ends up throwing the ball away.
Chris Cooley tells it like it is - ( New Window )
We talked football and this guy is definitely a student of the game. Some great analysis there and really true stuff. RG3 is just not the same guy he was as a rookie. He ran the option his rookie year and his body just couldnt support it. Now hes asked to be a pocket QB in Grudens system and he cannot do it. Sadly for them, Mccoy gives them a better chance to win.
And I am shocked that people liked Bob more than Luck. Luck was as sure a thing as you would get while Bob was an athlete who played QB well only because of his athleticism. Nothing wrong with that, but he was never the player or NFL prospect Luck was. I don't care how gifted Bob was, you never ever ever take that kind of QB over a QB like Luck.
I hope I dont have clarify my sarcasm
Sure, but unlike RGIII, Young and Hosteler could both actually play the position by reading the defense and going through their progressions. Why would you want a backup that lacks some of the most fundamental skills in a system like ours just because he can run?
And you don't sign a backup to use him as a situational weapon to throw the opponent off guards. You sign a backup, who can hold down the fort while your starter heals, which may last into weeks or even a season.