Courtesy of Ebenezer Samuel
| "Quite frankly, we have called pressures," he said. "Pressures have been aborted or not performed very well. How would you like to be the guy who is sitting there calling pressures? And we call pressures and nothing happens so you're vulnerable in the secondary even more when you do that. You're not getting home. How would you like to be the guy calling those plays?" |
| "When we're calling pressures, take a look and see who's getting home," he said. "You can talk about pressure all you want, but we've got to have people who get to the ball, get to the quarterback. That hasn't happened much." |
| "There's a bunch of guys up front that are supposed to be known for that," he said of his anemic pass rush. "It (quarterback pressure) is something that has been missing for the majority of the season." |
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The stupid is strong with this one...
The players aren't getting the job dont RIGHT NOW but they rarely have under Fewell. Comments like these make me really believe how TC is out of touch with reality. It also sounds as if he's laying the foundation for his meeting with ownership at season's end to explain what went wrong and why he and his staff should be retained.
Man so much wrong here.
When the giants (or any team) acquire front four players for the specific purpose of generating front four pressure and build the defense around this concept it doesn't work? Two of the best days of our collective decade have come using this strategy.
Having the ability to drop linebackers into zones or have 7 men off the line of scrimmage doesn't create turnovers and make it incredibly difficult for a QB to find open receivers?
Tell me where I'm wrong because this I would love to hear.
In 2 of the last 7 years we have reached the pinnacle of greatness by using one philosophy on defense. Front 4 gets constant pressure with the occasional blitz. This isn't a hypothetical theory IT WORKS. As in PROVEN. They draft and approach FA with this philosophy in mind. Even in Spags year that was the way they thought.
TC is standing on a podium and saying -- "Hey- my philosophy works check out these two rings". Get me players and it works. Now throw 2 injury riddled defensive years on top of that and you get the shitshow that is 2014 giants d.
Think of it like a recipe. If I have a pecan pie recipe that everyone raves about and make it every year. Then two years in a row it doesn't taste well. Did I change the recipe or perhaps an ingredient out of my control has been altered.
You guys calling for TC will love being between. 4-10 and 3-13 for 10 years while a talentless roster is rebuilt and a 2 year cycle of head coaches starts. Might as well put a plane on the side of our helmet.
First of all, I don't accept that the chef has no control over his pecan supply. But even if that was true, he either has the owner either change the guy who's supplying the nuts or he accepts his reality and switches to apple pie. You don't keep serving up shit year after year without taking responsibility for it.
When the giants (or any team) acquire front four players for the specific purpose of generating front four pressure and build the defense around this concept it doesn't work? Two of the best days of our collective decade have come using this strategy.
Having the ability to drop linebackers into zones or have 7 men off the line of scrimmage doesn't create turnovers and make it incredibly difficult for a QB to find open receivers?
Tell me where I'm wrong because this I would love to hear.
Our 2007 defensive philosophy could not possibly be more different than 2011.
if your front four is not getting the job done on their own, it's up to the coaches to come up with some creative schemes to bring pressure. it could be that the blitzing isn't being practiced/coached in a crisp manner.
that is on both coughlin and PF.
When the giants (or any team) acquire front four players for the specific purpose of generating front four pressure and build the defense around this concept it doesn't work? Two of the best days of our collective decade have come using this strategy.
Having the ability to drop linebackers into zones or have 7 men off the line of scrimmage doesn't create turnovers and make it incredibly difficult for a QB to find open receivers?
Tell me where I'm wrong because this I would love to hear.
Obviously it's great to have 4 guys who can pressure constantly without help. Pretty much a no-brainer. We haven't got that. So it sounds like you think we need to fire Reese. Until that gets done, when a good coaching staff gets handed lemons, they try to make lemonade. I don't see that happening here
In 2007 and 2011 the D-Line (top 5 guys) had over 25 sacks combined.
Compare that to a team that is constantly bringing LB's, CB's and S's to generate pressure and you now see exactly what the overall philosophy is.
If you only watch the Giants each week it may seem that they had 2 distinct defensive styles but if you watch other teams on a weekly basis you will see that for over a decade the general philosophy has been consistent.
Actually that happens a lot around here. I would venture that over 40% of the posters on here watch a consistent 5 hours of football per week- 3 hours of giants and the first quarter of the Sunday and Monday night games before they fall asleep.
Blind stubborn loyalty. Same thing happened with ohara and diehl.
Have you ever listened to a TC post game presser after a loss? The first thing he always says is that it's on him. The notion that he *always* blames the players is the biggest fucking myth going.
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When the shit hits the fan he puts all the blame on the players. Usually he's a bit more careful and talks about their lack of "execution" despite what a great week of "preparation" they had and now well they practiced.
Have you ever listened to a TC post game presser after a loss? The first thing he always says is that it's on him. The notion that he *always* blames the players is the biggest fucking myth going.
I've read just about all of them. He always gives a token "blame me" before going to to state how well prepared the team was but for some reason they just didn't execute.
Stop it.
When all is said and done, a few pressers in the final weeks of a lost season are going to be the last thing anyone ever remembers about Tom Coughlin.
This isn't even a speck of shit on the radar of a man who has been around as long as he has and has had success.
It may well be time for him to call it a career. Maybe not. I don't know. But nothing he's doing right now is doing a damn thing to his reputation. He's defending his coordinator just like pretty much any HC would.
Is anyone seeing stunts? OR, are we just lining up against the guy in front of us and that's it?
The guy clearly doesn't take these defeats as seriously as BBI. And now he's a proven liar!
Only an incompetent coach thinks a four-man pass rush would work. That's why we want Spags to save us!
Remember, Bill Sheridan lost his job here after just ONE year as DC because the team completely shit the bed down the stretch and the defense was a complete joke.
Perry has been here a while now. He's had plenty of time and even though I believe he's hard pressed to do much better with so many holes and some real garbage on the defensive side of the football, a change just has to be made.
The Giants can't and won't sell this mess to the fans as "well, it was just an off year, they will get it done next year"
The seat under Fewell's ass is hotter than anyone else's at this point and he's going to be the first guy to lose his job.
I think it's still 50/50 with TC and I still think it depends on how the rest of the year goes.
Remember, Bill Sheridan lost his job here after just ONE year as DC because the team completely shit the bed down the stretch and the defense was a complete joke.
Perry has been here a while now. He's had plenty of time and even though I believe he's hard pressed to do much better with so many holes and some real garbage on the defensive side of the football, a change just has to be made.
The Giants can't and won't sell this mess to the fans as "well, it was just an off year, they will get it done next year"
The seat under Fewell's ass is hotter than anyone else's at this point and he's going to be the first guy to lose his job.
I think it's still 50/50 with TC and I still think it depends on how the rest of the year goes.
I'd guess the decision on Coughlin has been made already. I highly doubt a coach who has accomplished as much as Coughlin has here will have his fate decided by a couple of meaningless games against sub par competition.
The guy clearly doesn't take these defeats as seriously as BBI. And now he's a proven liar!
If he really felt these problems were his fault he'd retire right? Or do you think he'd just keep taking $5 million a year from the Mara's when he believed he was no longer an effective coach?
And if you think he's telling the truth that the team's failure to perform was his fault then why do you still want him as a coach?
Yes. Coughlin as Giants' coach is past it's expiration date.
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The defense this year is almost as bad as the offense was last year. And when the result of the overall season is as poor as it's heading, it's pretty clear this front office will not accept it and leave everything status quo.
Remember, Bill Sheridan lost his job here after just ONE year as DC because the team completely shit the bed down the stretch and the defense was a complete joke.
Perry has been here a while now. He's had plenty of time and even though I believe he's hard pressed to do much better with so many holes and some real garbage on the defensive side of the football, a change just has to be made.
The Giants can't and won't sell this mess to the fans as "well, it was just an off year, they will get it done next year"
The seat under Fewell's ass is hotter than anyone else's at this point and he's going to be the first guy to lose his job.
I think it's still 50/50 with TC and I still think it depends on how the rest of the year goes.
I'd guess the decision on Coughlin has been made already. I highly doubt a coach who has accomplished as much as Coughlin has here will have his fate decided by a couple of meaningless games against sub par competition.
The games are meaningless as far as playoff chances are concerned but there are things you look for in these games that I think give clues as to whether or not the team is still responding to Tom and whether or not we look like we can move in a better or worse direction.
I'm sure ownership is leaning one way or another on him but I think it's still possible for what transpires over the course of the next 5 games to sway them in the other direction.
For instance, if they're leaning towards keeping him right now and assume they are going to but we lose all 5 of these remaining games or go like 1-4 and it keeps looking like there are new holes in the ship and it is just sinking even faster, I could see them scrapping that idea and deciding to move in a new direction.
Conversely, if they're leaning towards getting rid of him and we play some inspired ball the last few weeks and win most of or all of the games, maybe they say "alright, he can still do this"
The way a team responds to a coach in a lost season usually says a lot about the coach. These games aren't as meaningless as you may think in that regard.
I'm sure they do have some general idea of what they think they're going to do already, though.
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Ok enlighten me.
When the giants (or any team) acquire front four players for the specific purpose of generating front four pressure and build the defense around this concept it doesn't work? Two of the best days of our collective decade have come using this strategy.
Having the ability to drop linebackers into zones or have 7 men off the line of scrimmage doesn't create turnovers and make it incredibly difficult for a QB to find open receivers?
Tell me where I'm wrong because this I would love to hear.
Obviously it's great to have 4 guys who can pressure constantly without help. Pretty much a no-brainer. We haven't got that. So it sounds like you think we need to fire Reese. Until that gets done, when a good coaching staff gets handed lemons, they try to make lemonade. I don't see that happening here
Agree 100!!
Oh please, Coughlin has called out his coaches when the heat was fully on him. Coughlin has turned into a guy more focus on his legacy than doing the duties of a HC. He goes from being obvious to not knowing why Moore is not getting snaps to being all aware of Moore's practice habits. Confused about miscommunication issues in the secondary but then proclaiming the players were given a game plan but railed to excute properly. He is a man inconsistencies after losses.
Your toitlly correct. It will bew the same lame excuses nestr year if that (TC) jerk remains as HC. Last year he said KG did a good job, now he defends PF. No0w I honestly believe they won the 2 Super Bowls DESPITE TC
For some reason, Fewell thinks that having 8 guys (including a DE) hanging out in the backfield is better than pressuring high-quality quarterbacks.
Would you like to play in Fewell's wimpy-ass prevent- defense schemes? Against Dallas we would have been better off letting Romo score on the first play, thereby preserving the final 2.5 minutes for Manning to march down the field and toss a behind-the-receiver, game-ending interception from Dallas' 10-yard line.
Otherwise expect to give up 30 a game. Is your offense capable of averaging 31 a game? If not expect a loss.
It's never coaching or talent. It's a combo of both. both line coaches have coached a big goose egg for several years. I'll give McAdoo a pass for joining this shit show, but Gilbride and Fewell have had systems that only work under perfect conditions. The secondary coach hasn't been anything to write home about in years. Special teams needs not be mentioned. The bottom line is that the coordinators and assistants are really nothing to look at. Yet TC is some genius of a head coach.
Because despite what Colin writes/believes, SOME PERSON makes the final decision as to which rookie to pick in each round and which vet FA to sign. Ross makes the final recommendations as to draftees and Reese makes the final decision.; Resse makes the final decision as to vet FAs.
IMO Tom cannot have it both ways: either Fewell called a terrible series of defensive plays or Fewell called the correct defensive plays but the terrible defensive players furnished by R&R could not implement Fewell's calls. Someone is to blame for the defensive collapse against the Cowboys in the last 3 minutes.