Courtesy of Ebenezer Samuel
"Quite frankly, we have called pressures," he said. "Pressures have been aborted or not performed very well. How would you like to be the guy who is sitting there calling pressures? And we call pressures and nothing happens so you're vulnerable in the secondary even more when you do that. You're not getting home. How would you like to be the guy calling those plays?" |
"When we're calling pressures, take a look and see who's getting home," he said. "You can talk about pressure all you want, but we've got to have people who get to the ball, get to the quarterback. That hasn't happened much." |
"There's a bunch of guys up front that are supposed to be known for that," he said of his anemic pass rush. "It (quarterback pressure) is something that has been missing for the majority of the season." |
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We are sitting back in 4 Quarters defense or that stupid Tampa 2 that Fool calls...
I still think it's got a lot to do with Fewell and how he designs his defenses and sorry blitzes.
Yeah, in like 2011.
I wonder if he's covering for PF(likely) and JR(possibly), or is almost TRYING to lose the players, in order to bring on a confrontation with JR about the amount of SUCK of the players JR acquires?
TCs comments tend to imply things more gently than those comments.
A 'disconnect' mentioned in another thread seems VERY real at this point.
It maybe time for Coughlin to move on as well though, today's NFL calls for a team to get there younger players on the field faster, for better or worse and he maybe too old school for that. It seems like the only way young players get on the field is when that unit is hit with injuries.
and its not good for the team
Spags is the greatest!
This defense fucking sucks. Personnel fucking sucks. Fewell hasn't helped but the #1 reason why this defense fucking sucks is because the players.....yup you guessed it, fucking suck.
Fewell is gone don't worry. But we have 1-2 holes at every position on defense. 1-2. That's a lot.
What a crock of shit. I was on the fence regarding Coughlin last year but it's clear to me now that we HAVE to clean house with this coaching staff (in addition to the roster and Ross). Maybe just spare the OC.
if your front four is not getting the job done on their own, it's up to the coaches to come up with some creative schemes to bring pressure. it could be that the blitzing isn't being practiced/coached in a crisp manner.
that is on both coughlin and PF.
This defense fucking sucks. Personnel fucking sucks. Fewell hasn't helped but the #1 reason why this defense fucking sucks is because the players.....yup you guessed it, fucking suck.
Fewell is gone don't worry. But we have 1-2 holes at every position on defense. 1-2. That's a lot.
This.
Guess what happens then?
The linebackers have to cover people. THESE linebackers.
Good fucking luck with that.
I really like TC, but that has to be the thing I hate the most about him... always in a hurry to blame everything on "execution", disregarding why players are not executing, adjusting to it, or simply holding players accountable (playing time).
He's just getting a bit more blunt and ornery. Frankly I prefer this version. It's all the players fault the the coaches can't possible be asked to do anything with these shitty players they have.
Good riddance Tom. Don't let the door hit you in the ass in the way out.
Guess what happens then?
The linebackers have to cover people. THESE linebackers.
Good fucking luck with that.
And what has happened this year. Same shit. Blown coverages. Miscommunications. It never ends. Tom has done a terrible job picking DC's with the exception of Spags. He is more defending himself then he is defending Fewell because he is the one who fucking picked him.
Listen to Carl Banks. He has said it over and over this team doesn't know how to blitz. Well who's fault is that. If they don't know how isn't it up to the DC to teach them how. I was on the fence with Tom but after this take I think it may be time to pull the plug.
The talent is not that that they should be playing so poorly. Bottom line. Tom's team is 11 up and 19 down in their last 30 games. Along with that are 6 shutouts and and a handful of awfully bad blowouts where they were not even competitive.
The Cowboys did not just come down and score. They did it with ease. It was comical how much time Romo had.
The d-line was completely dominated as if they were playing a team from a higher league. It is hard to pin that on coaching. More likely, these players just suck.
I could care less if Fewell is brought back or not. If it were up to me I would probably go in a different direction. It is clear though that the D needs to be blown up and whatever philosophy that is being used to select players for the Giants roster to play D has to be scrapped. It simply does not work.
- Jenkins - has been hurt for weeks now.
- Kiwi - The sad reality is that in his prime, he was an average player at best who is significantly past his prime now.
- JPP - Great athlete with limited pass rush moves. Do you know what you do with a guy like that? You move him around and free him up to let his athletic ability take over. Instead, we line him up and have him beat 1 or 2 people using his limited array of moves.
He's right about them. They're playing like dogshit and a lot of them suck. They deserve to be called out.
Everyone involved with this defense does. Fewell already lost his job so it's going to be on some of these guys to either play better or go find a practice squad to land on.
The Cowboys did not just come down and score. They did it with ease. It was comical how much time Romo had.
The d-line was completely dominated as if they were playing a team from a higher league. It is hard to pin that on coaching. More likely, these players just suck.
I could care less if Fewell is brought back or not. If it were up to me I would probably go in a different direction. It is clear though that the D needs to be blown up and whatever philosophy that is being used to select players for the Giants roster to play D has to be scrapped. It simply does not work.
i could say on the offense too. Really stretch play after stretch play with the defense knifing through for negative yardage - untouched - that is coaching as much or more than talent. Again calling the same play that gets killed each time it is called is stubborn.
Coughlin already said that Moore needs to know his assignments if he wants to be more than a 3rd and long pass rusher. Where on the last drive was Dallas ever in 3rd and long. You can't give up on the run when DeMarco Murray is the running back and there are 3 minutes on the clock.
what you don't seem to understand arcarsenal is that Coughlin is accountable for the defense; he's involved with it; it's not simply a matter of firing fewell as coordinator and bringing in mangini; coughlin is still going to have sway and influence over the philosophy of the D and deployment of personnel. that scardey cat "prevent" defense with the ineffective veternas on the last drive was all coughlin.
Players werent getting there, fine, take them off the field and try someone else... Moore & Ayers in this case.
At least then he tried to do something instead of just watching Romo march them down the field
The more you talk the worse it is
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Everyone involved with this defense does.
what you don't seem to understand arcarsenal is that Coughlin is accountable for the defense; he's involved with it; it's not simply a matter of firing fewell as coordinator and bringing in mangini; coughlin is still going to have sway and influence over the philosophy of the D and deployment of personnel. that scardey cat "prevent" defense with the ineffective veternas on the last drive was all coughlin.
Now Coughlin is calling the plays?
That's news to me.
The front seven (including the back ups) are increduibly weak. Ayers was worthless this Sunday and Moore needs to take his job seriously and learn his assignments. Kiwi is done and JPP doesn't have the supporting cast he needs to shine. The interior of the line puts no pressure on the pocket and the LBa are too slow to cover on a bliz. Regardless of the coaching this team is going nowhere without significant upgraded in their defensive front 7. As for Accorsi wanting TC out- yeah he wanted Charlie Weiss- no thanks!
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Everyone involved with this defense does.
what you don't seem to understand arcarsenal is that Coughlin is accountable for the defense; he's involved with it; it's not simply a matter of firing fewell as coordinator and bringing in mangini; coughlin is still going to have sway and influence over the philosophy of the D and deployment of personnel. that scardey cat "prevent" defense with the ineffective veternas on the last drive was all coughlin.
Now Coughlin is calling the plays?
That's news to me.
You guys are comical. You want to let JPP walk, get rid of Kiwi and all the lb's, sign Suh, let Rolle walk and shoot Brown and Demps. That leaves two corners (one of whom is out for the year) and one DT.
And out of the other side of your mouths, you complain that the coaches aren't getting enough out of all these obvious talents.
He's right about them. They're playing like dogshit and a lot of them suck. They deserve to be called out.
Everyone involved with this defense does. Fewell already lost his job so it's going to be on some of these guys to either play better or go find a practice squad to land on.
Reading between the lines, I think TC will not support giving JPP a big contract or putting a franchise tag on him.
I'd probably rather just replace Fewell, hope for a solid offseason where we acquire more talent via FA and the draft and assume the offense will get better in year 2 and the defense will (hopefully) improve via some talent infusion and a new DC.
It's either that or we have to blow this entire thing up which leaves Eli in a pretty shitty spot having to spend the last of his career on a football team starting from scratch.
In 2 of the last 7 years we have reached the pinnacle of greatness by using one philosophy on defense. Front 4 gets constant pressure with the occasional blitz. This isn't a hypothetical theory IT WORKS. As in PROVEN. They draft and approach FA with this philosophy in mind. Even in Spags year that was the way they thought.
TC is standing on a podium and saying -- "Hey- my philosophy works check out these two rings". Get me players and it works. Now throw 2 injury riddled defensive years on top of that and you get the shitshow that is 2014 giants d.
Think of it like a recipe. If I have a pecan pie recipe that everyone raves about and make it every year. Then two years in a row it doesn't taste well. Did I change the recipe or perhaps an ingredient out of my control has been altered.
You guys calling for TC will love being between. 4-10 and 3-13 for 10 years while a talentless roster is rebuilt and a 2 year cycle of head coaches starts. Might as well put a plane on the side of our helmet.
The stupid is strong with this one...
The players aren't getting the job dont RIGHT NOW but they rarely have under Fewell. Comments like these make me really believe how TC is out of touch with reality. It also sounds as if he's laying the foundation for his meeting with ownership at season's end to explain what went wrong and why he and his staff should be retained.
Man so much wrong here.
When the giants (or any team) acquire front four players for the specific purpose of generating front four pressure and build the defense around this concept it doesn't work? Two of the best days of our collective decade have come using this strategy.
Having the ability to drop linebackers into zones or have 7 men off the line of scrimmage doesn't create turnovers and make it incredibly difficult for a QB to find open receivers?
Tell me where I'm wrong because this I would love to hear.
In 2 of the last 7 years we have reached the pinnacle of greatness by using one philosophy on defense. Front 4 gets constant pressure with the occasional blitz. This isn't a hypothetical theory IT WORKS. As in PROVEN. They draft and approach FA with this philosophy in mind. Even in Spags year that was the way they thought.
TC is standing on a podium and saying -- "Hey- my philosophy works check out these two rings". Get me players and it works. Now throw 2 injury riddled defensive years on top of that and you get the shitshow that is 2014 giants d.
Think of it like a recipe. If I have a pecan pie recipe that everyone raves about and make it every year. Then two years in a row it doesn't taste well. Did I change the recipe or perhaps an ingredient out of my control has been altered.
You guys calling for TC will love being between. 4-10 and 3-13 for 10 years while a talentless roster is rebuilt and a 2 year cycle of head coaches starts. Might as well put a plane on the side of our helmet.
First of all, I don't accept that the chef has no control over his pecan supply. But even if that was true, he either has the owner either change the guy who's supplying the nuts or he accepts his reality and switches to apple pie. You don't keep serving up shit year after year without taking responsibility for it.
When the giants (or any team) acquire front four players for the specific purpose of generating front four pressure and build the defense around this concept it doesn't work? Two of the best days of our collective decade have come using this strategy.
Having the ability to drop linebackers into zones or have 7 men off the line of scrimmage doesn't create turnovers and make it incredibly difficult for a QB to find open receivers?
Tell me where I'm wrong because this I would love to hear.
Our 2007 defensive philosophy could not possibly be more different than 2011.
if your front four is not getting the job done on their own, it's up to the coaches to come up with some creative schemes to bring pressure. it could be that the blitzing isn't being practiced/coached in a crisp manner.
that is on both coughlin and PF.
When the giants (or any team) acquire front four players for the specific purpose of generating front four pressure and build the defense around this concept it doesn't work? Two of the best days of our collective decade have come using this strategy.
Having the ability to drop linebackers into zones or have 7 men off the line of scrimmage doesn't create turnovers and make it incredibly difficult for a QB to find open receivers?
Tell me where I'm wrong because this I would love to hear.
Obviously it's great to have 4 guys who can pressure constantly without help. Pretty much a no-brainer. We haven't got that. So it sounds like you think we need to fire Reese. Until that gets done, when a good coaching staff gets handed lemons, they try to make lemonade. I don't see that happening here
In 2007 and 2011 the D-Line (top 5 guys) had over 25 sacks combined.
Compare that to a team that is constantly bringing LB's, CB's and S's to generate pressure and you now see exactly what the overall philosophy is.
If you only watch the Giants each week it may seem that they had 2 distinct defensive styles but if you watch other teams on a weekly basis you will see that for over a decade the general philosophy has been consistent.
Actually that happens a lot around here. I would venture that over 40% of the posters on here watch a consistent 5 hours of football per week- 3 hours of giants and the first quarter of the Sunday and Monday night games before they fall asleep.
Blind stubborn loyalty. Same thing happened with ohara and diehl.
Have you ever listened to a TC post game presser after a loss? The first thing he always says is that it's on him. The notion that he *always* blames the players is the biggest fucking myth going.
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When the shit hits the fan he puts all the blame on the players. Usually he's a bit more careful and talks about their lack of "execution" despite what a great week of "preparation" they had and now well they practiced.
Have you ever listened to a TC post game presser after a loss? The first thing he always says is that it's on him. The notion that he *always* blames the players is the biggest fucking myth going.
I've read just about all of them. He always gives a token "blame me" before going to to state how well prepared the team was but for some reason they just didn't execute.
Stop it.
When all is said and done, a few pressers in the final weeks of a lost season are going to be the last thing anyone ever remembers about Tom Coughlin.
This isn't even a speck of shit on the radar of a man who has been around as long as he has and has had success.
It may well be time for him to call it a career. Maybe not. I don't know. But nothing he's doing right now is doing a damn thing to his reputation. He's defending his coordinator just like pretty much any HC would.
Is anyone seeing stunts? OR, are we just lining up against the guy in front of us and that's it?
The guy clearly doesn't take these defeats as seriously as BBI. And now he's a proven liar!
Only an incompetent coach thinks a four-man pass rush would work. That's why we want Spags to save us!
Remember, Bill Sheridan lost his job here after just ONE year as DC because the team completely shit the bed down the stretch and the defense was a complete joke.
Perry has been here a while now. He's had plenty of time and even though I believe he's hard pressed to do much better with so many holes and some real garbage on the defensive side of the football, a change just has to be made.
The Giants can't and won't sell this mess to the fans as "well, it was just an off year, they will get it done next year"
The seat under Fewell's ass is hotter than anyone else's at this point and he's going to be the first guy to lose his job.
I think it's still 50/50 with TC and I still think it depends on how the rest of the year goes.
Remember, Bill Sheridan lost his job here after just ONE year as DC because the team completely shit the bed down the stretch and the defense was a complete joke.
Perry has been here a while now. He's had plenty of time and even though I believe he's hard pressed to do much better with so many holes and some real garbage on the defensive side of the football, a change just has to be made.
The Giants can't and won't sell this mess to the fans as "well, it was just an off year, they will get it done next year"
The seat under Fewell's ass is hotter than anyone else's at this point and he's going to be the first guy to lose his job.
I think it's still 50/50 with TC and I still think it depends on how the rest of the year goes.
I'd guess the decision on Coughlin has been made already. I highly doubt a coach who has accomplished as much as Coughlin has here will have his fate decided by a couple of meaningless games against sub par competition.
The guy clearly doesn't take these defeats as seriously as BBI. And now he's a proven liar!
If he really felt these problems were his fault he'd retire right? Or do you think he'd just keep taking $5 million a year from the Mara's when he believed he was no longer an effective coach?
And if you think he's telling the truth that the team's failure to perform was his fault then why do you still want him as a coach?
Yes. Coughlin as Giants' coach is past it's expiration date.
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The defense this year is almost as bad as the offense was last year. And when the result of the overall season is as poor as it's heading, it's pretty clear this front office will not accept it and leave everything status quo.
Remember, Bill Sheridan lost his job here after just ONE year as DC because the team completely shit the bed down the stretch and the defense was a complete joke.
Perry has been here a while now. He's had plenty of time and even though I believe he's hard pressed to do much better with so many holes and some real garbage on the defensive side of the football, a change just has to be made.
The Giants can't and won't sell this mess to the fans as "well, it was just an off year, they will get it done next year"
The seat under Fewell's ass is hotter than anyone else's at this point and he's going to be the first guy to lose his job.
I think it's still 50/50 with TC and I still think it depends on how the rest of the year goes.
I'd guess the decision on Coughlin has been made already. I highly doubt a coach who has accomplished as much as Coughlin has here will have his fate decided by a couple of meaningless games against sub par competition.
The games are meaningless as far as playoff chances are concerned but there are things you look for in these games that I think give clues as to whether or not the team is still responding to Tom and whether or not we look like we can move in a better or worse direction.
I'm sure ownership is leaning one way or another on him but I think it's still possible for what transpires over the course of the next 5 games to sway them in the other direction.
For instance, if they're leaning towards keeping him right now and assume they are going to but we lose all 5 of these remaining games or go like 1-4 and it keeps looking like there are new holes in the ship and it is just sinking even faster, I could see them scrapping that idea and deciding to move in a new direction.
Conversely, if they're leaning towards getting rid of him and we play some inspired ball the last few weeks and win most of or all of the games, maybe they say "alright, he can still do this"
The way a team responds to a coach in a lost season usually says a lot about the coach. These games aren't as meaningless as you may think in that regard.
I'm sure they do have some general idea of what they think they're going to do already, though.
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Ok enlighten me.
When the giants (or any team) acquire front four players for the specific purpose of generating front four pressure and build the defense around this concept it doesn't work? Two of the best days of our collective decade have come using this strategy.
Having the ability to drop linebackers into zones or have 7 men off the line of scrimmage doesn't create turnovers and make it incredibly difficult for a QB to find open receivers?
Tell me where I'm wrong because this I would love to hear.
Obviously it's great to have 4 guys who can pressure constantly without help. Pretty much a no-brainer. We haven't got that. So it sounds like you think we need to fire Reese. Until that gets done, when a good coaching staff gets handed lemons, they try to make lemonade. I don't see that happening here
Agree 100!!
Oh please, Coughlin has called out his coaches when the heat was fully on him. Coughlin has turned into a guy more focus on his legacy than doing the duties of a HC. He goes from being obvious to not knowing why Moore is not getting snaps to being all aware of Moore's practice habits. Confused about miscommunication issues in the secondary but then proclaiming the players were given a game plan but railed to excute properly. He is a man inconsistencies after losses.
Your toitlly correct. It will bew the same lame excuses nestr year if that (TC) jerk remains as HC. Last year he said KG did a good job, now he defends PF. No0w I honestly believe they won the 2 Super Bowls DESPITE TC
For some reason, Fewell thinks that having 8 guys (including a DE) hanging out in the backfield is better than pressuring high-quality quarterbacks.
Would you like to play in Fewell's wimpy-ass prevent- defense schemes? Against Dallas we would have been better off letting Romo score on the first play, thereby preserving the final 2.5 minutes for Manning to march down the field and toss a behind-the-receiver, game-ending interception from Dallas' 10-yard line.
Otherwise expect to give up 30 a game. Is your offense capable of averaging 31 a game? If not expect a loss.
It's never coaching or talent. It's a combo of both. both line coaches have coached a big goose egg for several years. I'll give McAdoo a pass for joining this shit show, but Gilbride and Fewell have had systems that only work under perfect conditions. The secondary coach hasn't been anything to write home about in years. Special teams needs not be mentioned. The bottom line is that the coordinators and assistants are really nothing to look at. Yet TC is some genius of a head coach.
Because despite what Colin writes/believes, SOME PERSON makes the final decision as to which rookie to pick in each round and which vet FA to sign. Ross makes the final recommendations as to draftees and Reese makes the final decision.; Resse makes the final decision as to vet FAs.
IMO Tom cannot have it both ways: either Fewell called a terrible series of defensive plays or Fewell called the correct defensive plays but the terrible defensive players furnished by R&R could not implement Fewell's calls. Someone is to blame for the defensive collapse against the Cowboys in the last 3 minutes.