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NYDN: Coughlin rips d-line, backs Fewell

AJ23 : 11/26/2014 1:51 pm
Courtesy of Ebenezer Samuel

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"Quite frankly, we have called pressures," he said. "Pressures have been aborted or not performed very well. How would you like to be the guy who is sitting there calling pressures? And we call pressures and nothing happens so you're vulnerable in the secondary even more when you do that. You're not getting home. How would you like to be the guy calling those plays?"


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"When we're calling pressures, take a look and see who's getting home," he said. "You can talk about pressure all you want, but we've got to have people who get to the ball, get to the quarterback. That hasn't happened much."


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"There's a bunch of guys up front that are supposed to be known for that," he said of his anemic pass rush. "It (quarterback pressure) is something that has been missing for the majority of the season."

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He says this, and yet.....  
Greg from LI : 11/26/2014 1:54 pm : link
.....Kiwanuka never loses playing time.
Nice Try Tom  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 11/26/2014 1:55 pm : link
....trying to hide the truth about this vanilla defense... the film studies dont lie...

We are sitting back in 4 Quarters defense or that stupid Tampa 2 that Fool calls...

Apparently  
cokeduplt : 11/26/2014 1:55 pm : link
Coughlin thinks Strahan Osi and Tuck were out there!
Sounds like TC is taking a shot at  
Geeman : 11/26/2014 1:56 pm : link
JPP, Kiwi and Jenkins. There the only ones that can be qualified as "used" to get to the QB that were here.
I still think it's got a lot to do with Fewell and how he designs his defenses and sorry blitzes.
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MOOPS : 11/26/2014 1:57 pm : link
"There's a bunch of guys up front that are supposed to be known for that," he said of his anemic pass rush.

Yeah, in like 2011.
nice  
Les in TO : 11/26/2014 1:58 pm : link
throw your players under the bus.
Hey Tom,  
MOOPS : 11/26/2014 1:58 pm : link
Live in the past..............much?
Coughlin knows  
TMS : 11/26/2014 2:00 pm : link
Fewell's limitations and now he has to live with them. He keeps him on anyway because he is afraid of another Sheridan expierience. TC has trouble finding good DCs. Spagnuolo was the exception.
How anyone  
cokeduplt : 11/26/2014 2:03 pm : link
Still wants TC as the head coach next year is beyond me.
couldnt change OC and DC in one year  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/26/2014 2:03 pm : link
Fewell will be gone
Those statements can not play out well  
old man : 11/26/2014 2:08 pm : link
the next 5 Sundays.
I wonder if he's covering for PF(likely) and JR(possibly), or is almost TRYING to lose the players, in order to bring on a confrontation with JR about the amount of SUCK of the players JR acquires?
TCs comments tend to imply things more gently than those comments.
A 'disconnect' mentioned in another thread seems VERY real at this point.
I'm sure top DC candidates  
bceagle05 : 11/26/2014 2:09 pm : link
will be jumping at the chance to come to a 6-10 team with a 70-year-old coach and little defensive talent to speak of. We might have to settle for Spags, which is fine with me.
I agree paulie  
Geeman : 11/26/2014 2:11 pm : link
that was my theory too, although fewell should've been gone 1 or 2 years sooner, but this is it for him.
It maybe time for Coughlin to move on as well though, today's NFL calls for a team to get there younger players on the field faster, for better or worse and he maybe too old school for that. It seems like the only way young players get on the field is when that unit is hit with injuries.
hes entering the old stubborn phase  
hitdog42 : 11/26/2014 2:11 pm : link
of his life
and its not good for the team
They coached scared, he said it, and now he's back-pedalling with this  
ImaGiant86 : 11/26/2014 2:14 pm : link
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Right he is too old  
bignygfan : 11/26/2014 2:14 pm : link
People his age should be put out to pasture.

Spags is the greatest!
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arcarsenal : 11/26/2014 2:16 pm : link
Spagnola will fix this mess w/ his attacking defense
guys ....  
djm : 11/26/2014 2:16 pm : link
the DLINE sucks. I don't like Fewell very much but you really gonna sit here and tell me with a straight face that DaMontre Moore is some kinf of Deacon Jones in hiding? That this staff, that has been coaching for 20-30 years doesn't know what it has in Moore?

This defense fucking sucks. Personnel fucking sucks. Fewell hasn't helped but the #1 reason why this defense fucking sucks is because the players.....yup you guessed it, fucking suck.

Fewell is gone don't worry. But we have 1-2 holes at every position on defense. 1-2. That's a lot.

Yet  
Danny Kanell : 11/26/2014 2:16 pm : link
Moore gets 6 snaps, 1 being a sack.

Lol what the hell does that mean re: "calling pressure"  
TD : 11/26/2014 2:18 pm : link
He can't mean blitzes. Is he saying we "call" for pressure by virtue of the fact that the DL has their hand in the dirt? That's like saying "we called for rushing and passing yardage" or "we called for good D."

What a crock of shit. I was on the fence regarding Coughlin last year but it's clear to me now that we HAVE to clean house with this coaching staff (in addition to the roster and Ross). Maybe just spare the OC.
the blitzing is rare and when it happens it's predictable  
Les in TO : 11/26/2014 2:18 pm : link
how about throwing some different looks/pressures. bring a CB or safety blitz.

if your front four is not getting the job done on their own, it's up to the coaches to come up with some creative schemes to bring pressure. it could be that the blitzing isn't being practiced/coached in a crisp manner.

that is on both coughlin and PF.
RE: guys ....  
arcarsenal : 11/26/2014 2:22 pm : link
In comment 12002609 djm said:
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the DLINE sucks. I don't like Fewell very much but you really gonna sit here and tell me with a straight face that DaMontre Moore is some kinf of Deacon Jones in hiding? That this staff, that has been coaching for 20-30 years doesn't know what it has in Moore?

This defense fucking sucks. Personnel fucking sucks. Fewell hasn't helped but the #1 reason why this defense fucking sucks is because the players.....yup you guessed it, fucking suck.

Fewell is gone don't worry. But we have 1-2 holes at every position on defense. 1-2. That's a lot.


This.
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arcarsenal : 11/26/2014 2:23 pm : link
Yeah, let's send DB's on blitzes..

Guess what happens then?

The linebackers have to cover people. THESE linebackers.

Good fucking luck with that.
he should fire  
spike : 11/26/2014 2:23 pm : link
Reese
Typical.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/26/2014 2:24 pm : link
Can't wait for this clown show to be gone.
RE: nice  
GloryDayz : 11/26/2014 2:24 pm : link
In comment 12002568 Les in TO said:
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throw your players under the bus.


I really like TC, but that has to be the thing I hate the most about him... always in a hurry to blame everything on "execution", disregarding why players are not executing, adjusting to it, or simply holding players accountable (playing time).
He's right  
HomerJones45 : 11/26/2014 2:31 pm : link
you don't like it and don't want to hear it, but he's right.

This is just typical Coughlin  
Jacobs27 : 11/26/2014 2:31 pm : link
When the shit hits the fan he puts all the blame on the players. Usually he's a bit more careful and talks about their lack of "execution" despite what a great week of "preparation" they had and now well they practiced.

He's just getting a bit more blunt and ornery. Frankly I prefer this version. It's all the players fault the the coaches can't possible be asked to do anything with these shitty players they have.

Good riddance Tom. Don't let the door hit you in the ass in the way out.
RE: .  
Les in TO : 11/26/2014 2:33 pm : link
In comment 12002630 arcarsenal said:
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Yeah, let's send DB's on blitzes..

Guess what happens then?

The linebackers have to cover people. THESE linebackers.

Good fucking luck with that.
actually in fewell's predictable zone blitz scheme its the linemen that end up having to cover receivers and tight ends, not even the linebackers.
Isnt it  
area junc : 11/26/2014 2:34 pm : link
The defensive coordinators job to coordinate the defense?
What a crock of shit  
blueblood'11 : 11/26/2014 2:38 pm : link
Regardless of the talent on this team it is incomprehensible to me how Tom defends this guy. Even in 2011 when the personel was supposedly better Fewell had to ultimately simplify things because they kept blowing coverages and the secondary wasn't nearly as deep as the one they had going into this year.

And what has happened this year. Same shit. Blown coverages. Miscommunications. It never ends. Tom has done a terrible job picking DC's with the exception of Spags. He is more defending himself then he is defending Fewell because he is the one who fucking picked him.

Listen to Carl Banks. He has said it over and over this team doesn't know how to blitz. Well who's fault is that. If they don't know how isn't it up to the DC to teach them how. I was on the fence with Tom but after this take I think it may be time to pull the plug.

The talent is not that that they should be playing so poorly. Bottom line. Tom's team is 11 up and 19 down in their last 30 games. Along with that are 6 shutouts and and a handful of awfully bad blowouts where they were not even competitive.

JPP will not be back next year...  
Damon : 11/26/2014 2:41 pm : link
Pretty sure he's not mature enough to handle those statements.
TC isn't going to throw his DC under the bus.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/26/2014 2:43 pm : link
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Watching these guys play  
rocco8112 : 11/26/2014 2:43 pm : link
who could disagree?

The Cowboys did not just come down and score. They did it with ease. It was comical how much time Romo had.

The d-line was completely dominated as if they were playing a team from a higher league. It is hard to pin that on coaching. More likely, these players just suck.

I could care less if Fewell is brought back or not. If it were up to me I would probably go in a different direction. It is clear though that the D needs to be blown up and whatever philosophy that is being used to select players for the Giants roster to play D has to be scrapped. It simply does not work.
As Geeman said  
SLIM : 11/26/2014 2:44 pm : link
Fewell's design of blitzes is awful. Love Coughlin but he is completely wrong. There are 3 players known for pass rush ability.

- Jenkins - has been hurt for weeks now.
- Kiwi - The sad reality is that in his prime, he was an average player at best who is significantly past his prime now.
- JPP - Great athlete with limited pass rush moves. Do you know what you do with a guy like that? You move him around and free him up to let his athletic ability take over. Instead, we line him up and have him beat 1 or 2 people using his limited array of moves.
Neither Ayers or Moore get on the field  
Giants2012 : 11/26/2014 2:44 pm : link
Coach
The worst thing any professional can do is ...  
spider : 11/26/2014 2:46 pm : link
Hang around an extra year longer than they should.
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arcarsenal : 11/26/2014 2:47 pm : link
Are people really mad at Coughlin for "throwing his players under the bus" ?

He's right about them. They're playing like dogshit and a lot of them suck. They deserve to be called out.

Everyone involved with this defense does. Fewell already lost his job so it's going to be on some of these guys to either play better or go find a practice squad to land on.
Coughlin is a joke. No wonder Accorsi wanted him gone  
Mason : 11/26/2014 2:48 pm : link
Mara trying for the role of Woody Johnson.
On one hand, he's right. these guys aren't getting pressure.  
BeerFridge : 11/26/2014 2:51 pm : link
on the other hand, it makes you wonder why these starters are still starting.
RE: Watching these guys play  
HomerJones45 : 11/26/2014 2:52 pm : link
In comment 12002654 rocco8112 said:
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who could disagree?

The Cowboys did not just come down and score. They did it with ease. It was comical how much time Romo had.

The d-line was completely dominated as if they were playing a team from a higher league. It is hard to pin that on coaching. More likely, these players just suck.

I could care less if Fewell is brought back or not. If it were up to me I would probably go in a different direction. It is clear though that the D needs to be blown up and whatever philosophy that is being used to select players for the Giants roster to play D has to be scrapped. It simply does not work.
+1
Now I'm beginning to think it is less  
section125 : 11/26/2014 2:52 pm : link
about player quality and more about coaching quality. Aside from the LBs, I think there are enough decent players to play middle of the pack defense. I'm not saying this should be a great defense, but it should not be a last place defense. That crap in the last three minutes the other night was poor coaching.

i could say on the offense too. Really stretch play after stretch play with the defense knifing through for negative yardage - untouched - that is coaching as much or more than talent. Again calling the same play that gets killed each time it is called is stubborn.

RE: Neither Ayers or Moore get on the field  
HomerJones45 : 11/26/2014 2:55 pm : link
In comment 12002657 Giants2012 said:
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Coach
Ayers was on the field the last series. He didn't get within 10 yards of Romo. We are not exactly talking Deacon Jones here.

Coughlin already said that Moore needs to know his assignments if he wants to be more than a 3rd and long pass rusher. Where on the last drive was Dallas ever in 3rd and long. You can't give up on the run when DeMarco Murray is the running back and there are 3 minutes on the clock.
RE: .  
Les in TO : 11/26/2014 2:56 pm : link
In comment 12002663 arcarsenal said:
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Everyone involved with this defense does.


what you don't seem to understand arcarsenal is that Coughlin is accountable for the defense; he's involved with it; it's not simply a matter of firing fewell as coordinator and bringing in mangini; coughlin is still going to have sway and influence over the philosophy of the D and deployment of personnel. that scardey cat "prevent" defense with the ineffective veternas on the last drive was all coughlin.
RE: He's right  
GloryDayz : 11/26/2014 2:57 pm : link
In comment 12002640 HomerJones45 said:
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you don't like it and don't want to hear it, but he's right.


Players werent getting there, fine, take them off the field and try someone else... Moore & Ayers in this case.

At least then he tried to do something instead of just watching Romo march them down the field
we already have the worst run defense in the league.  
BeerFridge : 11/26/2014 2:58 pm : link
at least Moore is a one dimensional player. Kiwi is zero-dimensional.
I'll say the same thing to Coughlin that I would say to the players...  
Reb8thVA : 11/26/2014 3:00 pm : link
Just shut the fuck up!

The more you talk the worse it is
our blitz design sucks  
robbieballs2003 : 11/26/2014 3:04 pm : link
If the mentality is that we aren't effective when we blitz so we don't do it then should equate to if we suck at running the ball then we should abandon that.
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 11/26/2014 3:04 pm : link
In comment 12002681 Les in TO said:
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In comment 12002663 arcarsenal said:


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Everyone involved with this defense does.



what you don't seem to understand arcarsenal is that Coughlin is accountable for the defense; he's involved with it; it's not simply a matter of firing fewell as coordinator and bringing in mangini; coughlin is still going to have sway and influence over the philosophy of the D and deployment of personnel. that scardey cat "prevent" defense with the ineffective veternas on the last drive was all coughlin.


Now Coughlin is calling the plays?

That's news to me.
It's time to start looking  
silverfox : 11/26/2014 3:06 pm : link
...for a good real-estate agent Tom.
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