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Some Pre-Thanksgiving Draft Thoughts from Colin

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/26/2014 4:23 pm
FYI.
New York Giants 2015 NFL Draft – November 26, 2014 Report - ( New Window )
It'll be interesting to see...  
BMac : 11/26/2014 4:40 pm : link
...what the Juniors will contribute to draft depth. All in all, it really doesn't look like a bad crop overall considering the Giants' many needs.
awesome  
English Alaister : 11/26/2014 4:44 pm : link
Thanks Colin! Always a great read.
your first and third points  
pjcas18 : 11/26/2014 4:54 pm : link
sound come across as pretty arrogant and douchy.

Point 1 - what GM or VP of Player evaluation isn't accountable for the draft talent? Bill Polian gets credit for architecting three championship contenders. Maybe we should remove that credit and give it to the scouts, because you know, Polian didn't make the picks. This is Jerry Reese's team - draft picks, free agent signings, and other additions (trade or otherwise) win he gets credit, lose he gets blame. That's life in the NFL. And Marc Ross has his place too.

Point 3 - and spare you "who I would take"? - this is a message board, you're going to get that, maybe you should remove your stuff from the internet if you don't want the unsolicited disagreements. whether you or anyone else cares.

I don't speculate as to who the Giants should take, but I don't mind it from other informed people.

and I'd hope the Giants move Schwartz to RG making LG as their major OL hole - but agree it probably should not be THE 1st round draft priority - although many on here disagree.

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First off, people just have to stop talking about Jerry Reese’s draft picks. JERRY REESE DOESN’T MAKE THE PICKS! Neither does Marc Ross for that matter. The fact is that the Giants invest literally millions of dollars and hundred of man hours putting a grade on every draft eligible player out there and then coalescing as a collective around the guys they like.


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Thirdly, folks could really humor this old draft guy by not posting who they’d take. Trust me, nobody cares! Fact is nobody should care who I’d take. Folks might care a tad, though, who I think the Giants might be looking because I have a pretty good track record of dissecting and predicting what they might be thinking, although nobody’s perfect!


Colin Thank you as usual!  
jjgmrg901 : 11/26/2014 5:47 pm : link
Besides giving me a whole bunch of college players to follow during the bowl games, you hit the nail on the head with so many of the contributors here.

I get so sick of the fire Reese or Ross diatribes not to mention the fire Tommy C groups. Lastly the cut or trade Eli fanatics need to be quiet.

I have been a reader of this site for a few years. Also a dollar contributor for just as long.

However the number of self important self labeled experts is really diminishing my enjoyment.

So thank you Colin
I agree with pjacs's post.  
Optimus-NY : 11/26/2014 6:11 pm : link
I'm sorry to say this Colin, but you come off as being a little arrogant and off-base. This is coming from someone who likes you.
Thank you Colin  
Emil : 11/26/2014 6:27 pm : link
I appreciated your tone and direct approach. Draft time brings out a lot of emotion, particularly from those of us who don't know how the system works. Thanks for the insight and hopefully BBI takes your comments to heart. Well most of us anyway.
RE: your first and third points  
Emil : 11/26/2014 6:29 pm : link
In comment 12002873 pjcas18 said:
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sound come across as pretty arrogant and douchy.

Point 1 - what GM or VP of Player evaluation isn't accountable for the draft talent? Bill Polian gets credit for architecting three championship contenders. Maybe we should remove that credit and give it to the scouts, because you know, Polian didn't make the picks. This is Jerry Reese's team - draft picks, free agent signings, and other additions (trade or otherwise) win he gets credit, lose he gets blame. That's life in the NFL. And Marc Ross has his place too.

Point 3 - and spare you "who I would take"? - this is a message board, you're going to get that, maybe you should remove your stuff from the internet if you don't want the unsolicited disagreements. whether you or anyone else cares.

I don't speculate as to who the Giants should take, but I don't mind it from other informed people.

and I'd hope the Giants move Schwartz to RG making LG as their major OL hole - but agree it probably should not be THE 1st round draft priority - although many on here disagree.



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First off, people just have to stop talking about Jerry Reese’s draft picks. JERRY REESE DOESN’T MAKE THE PICKS! Neither does Marc Ross for that matter. The fact is that the Giants invest literally millions of dollars and hundred of man hours putting a grade on every draft eligible player out there and then coalescing as a collective around the guys they like.





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Thirdly, folks could really humor this old draft guy by not posting who they’d take. Trust me, nobody cares! Fact is nobody should care who I’d take. Folks might care a tad, though, who I think the Giants might be looking because I have a pretty good track record of dissecting and predicting what they might be thinking, although nobody’s perfect!




Look, I see what you are saying (I don't agree) but would you rather Colin not post? Cause that's the alternative.
No  
pjcas18 : 11/26/2014 7:04 pm : link
I like Colin, I want him to post.

But what's the point if people aren't going to discuss his comments or even disagree with him. if he feels like he only wants to post in a place where people can't comment, then my opinion is it doesn't belong here. many columnists put their stuff out there in a manner and method that doesn't allow comments.

I just don't watch enough college ball to know the players to the point I can have a legitimate opinion about how their games translate to the pros. But I don't think only Colin does either. I love his opinion, like his rationale, and I appreciate that same information from others or even from others explaining why they think Colin is wrong - like when he says RG is the biggest OL hole the Giants have.

I feel Schwartz will (or should) be the RG unless Pugh is moving.

Anyway, the comment about scouting I felt is borderline ridiculous. Even the densest of BBI members didn't think Reese was a one-man show. They know it's impossible for him to scout thousands of players in hundreds of games and the combine and pro-days, etc. so all of their information is recorded, aggregated, filtered and summarized.

But, and maybe I'm wrong on this and if I am great I learned something, but I 100% believe it's Reese's call/job to synthesize all that information and on draft day ultimately make the call about who is in fact selected. I don't believe "the system" makes the pick.

Agree With pjcas and Optimus  
Jim in Tampa : 11/26/2014 7:04 pm : link
I love the fact that Colin takes the time to post on BBI, but his introduction where he requests that BBI members not post who they'd take in the NFL Draft because "nobody cares" was not appreciated and simply not true.

Lots of people here (myself included) care about who their fellow posters would take and enjoy the pre-draft discussion, even if the posters are not as informed as the draft experts.
Reese has said that they took gambles that didn't work out  
Steve in South Jersey : 11/26/2014 9:17 pm : link
that sounds like they are making the picks instead of strictly going by a system.
RE: Agree With pjcas and Optimus  
River Mike : 11/26/2014 9:35 pm : link
In comment 12003059 Jim in Tampa said:
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I love the fact that Colin takes the time to post on BBI, but his introduction where he requests that BBI members not post who they'd take in the NFL Draft because "nobody cares" was not appreciated and simply not true.

Lots of people here (myself included) care about who their fellow posters would take and enjoy the pre-draft discussion, even if the posters are not as informed as the draft experts.


Agree
Colin... Trades ?  
DavidinBMNY : 11/26/2014 10:46 pm : link
Colin, given the fact most draft followers agree the top of the draft is slim this year, do you think the trade market at the top of the draft will be limited? How far would the raisers trade down when arguably they would not want to go lower then 3? The way I see this, is if the worst team has a QB then an awful team ending a QB can move up and take the QB. Rinse /repeat.

Other then that I think the trade market will be very narrow at the top of the draft.
English  
DavidinBMNY : 11/26/2014 10:53 pm : link
Nice to see you posting!
So a GM is the bpss of all the scouts.  
LauderdaleMatty : 11/26/2014 11:51 pm : link
If your drafts sick for years and you keep the scouts who's analysis keeps leading to bad results he's not responsible

I have enjoyed Colin, his sight and his posts for years but these aren't Reese's picks? Honestly that's beyond silly. And when you have 5-7 guys with a virtually identical grade who makes that choice? A monkey with a dart board?

Reese owns the cap, the Personel dept, and ultimately he has the final say on all picks. Very rarely is there a player who is just rated so much higher than so many others. Just an absolute fabrication that this isn't on Reese
Gotta agree with Matty.  
Red Dog : 11/27/2014 12:04 am : link
Reese is the boss so he owns the results, good or bad. And they haven't been good since he got the GM job.

My guess is that there are a lot of problems in the ranks, though, starting with Ross, who according to "Finding GIANTS" is responsible for actually setting up the draft board from the info generated by the scouts and coaches.
Colin's Draft Thoughts  
Percy : 11/27/2014 8:26 am : link
Let me see if I understand this. "Millions" are spent on gathering player information and giving grades to prospects. Who does this? Who gives the grades? Who reviews those grades and the reasoning behind them, whether the grader knows doo-dah about the position being graded, whether the grader has had success and been right about his grades in the past (if not, presumably the grader would have been fired and replaced), and when, how often and by whom is this grade and grader evaluation done? Is there room for and are there dissenting views at this grading stage?

Then we're told that, after all, notwithstanding their titles and apparent responsibilities, Reese and Ross, and presumably Chris Mara (who, after all, must have some real function even if we don't seem to know what that is), actually do not make the picks. Nope. They're just voices in a crowd. Instead, no one in particular can or should be be held accountable for draft decisions and results because it's all just a crap shoot anyway, with unnamed Giants personnel kind of "coalescing around guys they like" with the best liked guys making it to the Giants' board. Is that it? Colin lets these management guys off the hook? Like Macheath, they know no more than all the rest?

Who does this happy coalescing? Are the HC and his people (frightening if this group includes such notable failures as Fewell and other subordinate coaching staff whose products, like the O and D lines and STs, have been so rotten) in on it? Have we been wrong all along to free TC et al from blame for the lack of talent on the team?

Bottom line: we're being told by Colin that it all just comes down to some sort of blind guessing group grope. Is that any way to run a railroad -- or any business? No one has the final word on picks and no one is accountable for, or rewarded or punished for, good or bad results or good or bad technique in player evaluation? WHAT?

If so, that would go a long way toward explaining why the Giants' drafts over the last several years (with rare exceptions) have absolutely sucked. My bet is that Colin, whatever skill he brings to player evaluation himself, may be weak on business organization and management. And this may be just what he's told by people inside every team, none of whom ever want or dare to nail another insider for boob decisions to an outsider (just good business practice, you know) -- and he believes it. I'd prefer not to.

Despite my unkindness to Colin in this note, I wish him and all my fellow board members a very Happy Thanksgiving!
Good summary Colin  
mrvax : 11/27/2014 9:21 am : link
I'm thinking the same about drafting Oline with the 1st pick. Probably won't happen. Again. They did what I thought they would last year with #12 pick; got the best playmaker they could.

I expect the same in round #1. After that, Oline, RB and then any defenders come into play.

They need to get starter talent at several positions so I would not expect a trade up.
Thinking outside the box  
Colin@gbn : 11/27/2014 9:43 am : link
Morning guys ... And a very Happy Thanksgiving to you too Percy et al. And while you have it pretty much ass-backwards you have pretty much nailed how the Giants draft process works. I was talking with an old NFL personnel guy (not connected with the Giants) a year or so ago and he listed the Giants among the 5-6 teams he regarded as the most 'professional' organizations in the NFL (FTR he also included Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore). And by professional he was referring to the fact that they had a situation (unlike say the Raiders with Al Davis or the Jerry Jones at Dallas today) where no one individual had a disparate impact on their personnel decisions.

And the process you mock is in fact pretty much how the process works. The team's regional scouts (and most of the Giants scouts have been with the team for years through (mostly) thick and thin) provide the original grades which get augmented by the area scouts and position coaches. Then they get everybody - and yeah the coaches are very much involved in the process - into the war room after the combine and pro days and hash out as a group the final grades, their board and short lists. And trust me the team then puts itself and its scouts through a most rigorous post-draft analysis process.

Of course the problem with that system is that there really isn't one guy to blame. An if there is one thing that the BBI loves to do is point the finger. Lose one game and there will be 35-40 reasons posted why and who was to blame.

And the fact is that the Giants have been a very successful organization. Since George Young put this organizational structure in place about 35 yards ago (during which time the Giants would have been expected to win one Super Bowl and participate in two based on the basic odds) the Giants have actually won four and participated in 5. And they are only one of the 2-3 teams to have actually had more than one Super Bowl runs in that period. They have also had over twenty winning seasons in that period versus less than ten losing seasons.

Fact is though that the there is still no magic formula to winning in the NFL; there's no competitive advantage (unlike MLB with its unrestricted cap or college football where the top programs always get the top recruits); its also a cyclical business where nobody wins all the time. Indeed, in many ways the strength of an organization is not that it wins all the time, but how quickly it rebuilds once a run is done.

And the strength of the Giants organization is that if they believe in one thing its in stability. Nobody wins all the time and if you fly off handle every time you have a down year and fire everybody and start over again, well that's how you end up being one of the 17 teams that haven't won any Super Bowls at all in the period that the Giants won their four.
Thanks for the "Truthiness," Colin  
clatterbuck : 11/27/2014 10:14 am : link
but a lot of people on this site can't handle the truth.
pjcas18  
Gross Blau Oberst : 11/27/2014 10:31 am : link
Your comments towards Colin were unwarranted, unnecessary and just plain rude.

You owe Colin an apology and perhaps one to the rest of BBI for being part of the crowd who chases away valued posters over the last decade plus.

In short you are an ass.
Colin, but BBI demands that one person be to blame  
PatersonPlank : 11/27/2014 10:32 am : link
Whether its Reese, Fewell, Eli, it doesn't really matter. We just need one person.
Required reading  
River Mike : 11/27/2014 10:42 am : link
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Fact is though that the there is still no magic formula to winning in the NFL; there's no competitive advantage (unlike MLB with its unrestricted cap or college football where the top programs always get the top recruits); its also a cyclical business where nobody wins all the time. Indeed, in many ways the strength of an organization is not that it wins all the time, but how quickly it rebuilds once a run is done.

And the strength of the Giants organization is that if they believe in one thing its in stability. Nobody wins all the time and if you fly off handle every time you have a down year and fire everybody and start over again, well that's how you end up being one of the 17 teams that haven't won any Super Bowls at all in the period that the Giants won their four.
It amazes me as to  
Stufftherun : 11/27/2014 11:01 am : link
display of sensitivity by some members on this board and to be offended to the degree where you have to call Colin out on the carpet shows some deep seated inadequacies.

I also wonder if Colin's prefaced approach has anything to do with the attack on SY56 this past week which I felt was an unwarranted account from many. Sure, the documented draft failures of this organization have been covered ad-nauseam and it can be argued that it's an emotionally charged subject but why should people get their panties in a bunch over the opinions and thoughts of others? Let it pass and like this miserable football season it will disappear into the wind.

Thank you for your contributions Colin.
RE: pjcas18  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2014 11:02 am : link
In comment 12003534 Gross Blau Oberst said:
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Your comments towards Colin were unwarranted, unnecessary and just plain rude.

You owe Colin an apology and perhaps one to the rest of BBI for being part of the crowd who chases away valued posters over the last decade plus.

In short you are an ass.


What did I say that was wrong? Was it my delivery?

I guess if I prefaced it with "with all due respect" or something like that it wouldn't have been viewed as harshly.

I found Colin's post insulting. Not to me specifically because as I said I am not a college ball expert, but I found it insulting in general.

I don't know Colin, but he seems like a knowledgeable person, but to post something on here like he's a god and not interested in hearing any dissenting opinions or conversation seems to go against everything this site is about.

So GFY and if that chases Colin away, good riddance. If it gets me banned, then adios.

Pj  
Earl the goat : 11/27/2014 12:08 pm : link
Couldn't agree with you more.
RE: pjcas18  
Optimus-NY : 11/27/2014 12:23 pm : link
In comment 12003534 Gross Blau Oberst said:
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Your comments towards Colin were unwarranted, unnecessary and just plain rude.

You owe Colin an apology and perhaps one to the rest of BBI for being part of the crowd who chases away valued posters over the last decade plus.

In short you are an ass.


You should apologize to pjacs for calling him an ass. He disagrees, yet you find this grounds for disrespecting him. To quote Tiki, "Comical."
IF you post something here, then it's open to discussion.  
Optimus-NY : 11/27/2014 12:27 pm : link
Whether we agree or disagree with one another, as long as we discuss things respectfully nobody should take offense. I disagree vehemently with Colin, YET I still respect his opinion and want him to contribute here. Even though I found his post somewhat distasteful, I still like him. In short: it's all good. Now go enjoy Thanksgiving.
My .02 cents  
Semipro Lineman : 11/27/2014 12:30 pm : link
as a regular reader of Colin's posts on BBI, I think I understand why he said that. Several people here weren't discussing possibilities and overall strategies but were advocating specific players picks in a far more derisive manner than Colin's statement. I mean how many times has it been said in one of these threads that if the Giants don't pick OL in the first round then they are stupid and you are stupid for agreeing, etc..

Out of context, Colin's statements were somewhat inflammatory. Taken as a whole along with the thread responses he gotten throughout the year, I can easily see why he said that.

So perhaps we as a group could look past those two lines in a manner similar to Colin's looking past a hell lot more lines directed at his contributions.
Optimus  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2014 12:53 pm : link
summed up my perspective succinctly and semipro added some good context to help explain.

I will apologize to the board, not for my comments, but because i do like reading Colin's material and I also like reading other poster's replies and then when Colin explains his POV I find those interactions very interesting. So I hope he continues to post and i hope people respond and disagree with him and the conversations ensue.

I meant no disrespect and by no means meant to make myself out to be an expert or even particularly knowledgeable, but just wanted to react to the nature of colin's post which I did feel was disrespectful.

and to be clear - it's not some huge deal that I'm stewing over or heated about, just a reaction that I posted.

lastly, happy thansgiving enjoy the day

same to you pjacs  
Optimus-NY : 11/27/2014 12:59 pm : link
P.S. You don't to have to apologize for anything.
Clarificaion  
Colin@gbn : 11/27/2014 1:16 pm : link
Pcjas et al: It certainly was not my intention to insult anyone - well maybe it was but that's another story. And certainly have no problem with anyone who wants to discuss, criticize etc the post, our player ratings or even our mock projections for the Giants. In fact, I say bring it on for anyone who wants to talk about the Giants and which players they might be looking at or what their options might be etc. What I don't understand, however, is why so many people here - most of whom have probably never watched a minute of tape or actually thought on the subject for more than 10 seconds - feel compelled to weigh in with the "I wouldn't take that guy ...' or 'I want a stud OL' type stuff which unless they have in with Jerry Reese is totally irrelevant self-indulgent drivel that's barely a step above a drunk howling at the moon in a bar. And as I noted I couldn't care less which player I would take - and I put in 50 hours a week on the draft all of which for me ultimately boils down to trying to figure out which player the Giants will take. Again talk to me about what the Giants are going to do and I'm all ears otherwise its a waste of time.
Ignore the whiners Colin  
LPete : 11/27/2014 1:36 pm : link
Your posts here are always a must read. A ton of good info and thought provoking. Always appreciated.
Meanwhile, how about a little actual football/draft talk  
Colin@gbn : 11/27/2014 1:38 pm : link
In response to the couple of comments about the possibility of trades (David/mrvax). At the very top of the board, one has to figure that if Oakland and Jax end up at 1-2 then in all likelihood somebody - very possibly the Jets - trades up to the #1 spot to get Oregon's Mariota. After that what could very well happen is that the teams' with picks 5 thru 15 or so hold a fire sale to move down from those spots into the back half of the first round. It's going to be tough to find many takers. As such I really wouldn't see the Giants moving up. The one guy who might be intriguing in that regard is Nebraska DE Randy Gregory, the only true elite 4-3 type DE in this year's draft, if he were to drop to say 5. Obviously wouldn't be a popular move on the board because the Giants 'have so many needs to fill ... ' but it raises the interesting rhetorical question is it better to come out of a draft with one elite, potentially dominating player or several solid potential starters. My guess is that most would pick the latter, however, let me play devil's advocate and throw out two words: Lawrence Taylor, the only guy the Giants got out of the 1981 draft!
I think you're under-rating both Landon Collins and Gerod Holliman  
Anakim : 11/27/2014 1:50 pm : link
Collins is more than a mere in-the-box Safety. He's very well-rounded. He can cover WRs in the slot. He reminds me of Antrel Rolle in that regard.


And given the season Holliman is having, I can't see how he falls out of the Top 20. The only issue I have with Holliman personally is he's not the best tackler. Not awful, but not exactly reliable
I'd take Colin 10 time over 10  
David in LA : 11/27/2014 1:51 pm : link
at least he provides sound reasoning and actual analysis of the players. Meanwhile, this board is littered with knuckheads like bigbluecane who posts nothing but the same crap over and over again - "OL OR U R STOOPID! YAH!"
There are millions of dollars  
Headhunter : 11/27/2014 1:52 pm : link
and thousands of man hours invested in the draft. If there is one constant I've heard every year since George Young took over is the system dictates who they pick. You can see about 10 picks before the Giants pick that they have their guy. Sometimes it works out, sometimes he's gone. Watching Finding Giants reinforced this. The Mock Drafts and we need to draft a stud.........in the first round is fan stuff that has nothing to do with reality, but it does fill up a lot of space here. My first thought when they pick someone is You are a NY Giant and I root for you. All the remote throwers live in a world of delusion in that them hating or loving a pick means anything other than they get to type it on this site so they can read it and hope to find others that feel the same way for some kind of validation known only to them
RE: It amazes me as to  
bob in tx : 11/27/2014 2:13 pm : link
In comment 12003562 Stufftherun said:
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display of sensitivity by some members on this board and to be offended to the degree where you have to call Colin out on the carpet shows some deep seated inadequacies.

I also wonder if Colin's prefaced approach has anything to do with the attack on SY56 this past week which I felt was an unwarranted account from many. Sure, the documented draft failures of this organization have been covered ad-nauseam and it can be argued that it's an emotionally charged subject but why should people get their panties in a bunch over the opinions and thoughts of others? Let it pass and like this miserable football season it will disappear into the wind.

Thank you for your contributions Colin.



I agree with Stuff. Feel free to disagree with Colin but why people do so via insults is cowardly.
Colin, if I'm reading you  
bob in tx : 11/27/2014 2:22 pm : link
correctly, are you forecasting a " Cedric Jones" type pick for anyone outside the top 4 or 5?
Colin is awesome at his job  
Anakim : 11/27/2014 2:36 pm : link
You can disagree with him (which I did), but no need to insult the guy.


Keep up the good work, Colin. I really enjoy reading your stuff. #LandonCollinsisStillAwesome #GerodHollimanintheFirstRound
Think happy thoughts  
Colin@gbn : 11/27/2014 3:23 pm : link
C'mon Bob! Its thanksgiving ... think happy thoughts! If by a 'Cedric Jones draft' you mean one where there is big drop-off after the first 4-5 guys you are probably not that far off, although there are still some really good players out there, although I think most analysts would list Landon Collins and Scherff as more 10-15 guys than top 10ers. In fat, while we bemoan the Jones pick, fact is you have to go almost to #14 that year (Eddie George) to find the first really productive guy that year after the 1st 4. Funny you should bring up '96 because that was one of the very few years where I actually did have a guy 'that I would have picked' and that was Marvin Harrison who ended up falling all the way to #19 because of size issues.

Also a note to Anakim re the safeties. One of the things I do when I rank guys is try to give my best estimate as to where the NFL has players rather than where I have them personally (see a pattern here). And you are right Collins is very good player who be a perfectly reasonable consolation prize at #7 if it came to that. He is a thumper in run defense who can contribute in coverage; in fact he can run with most receivers including WRs but he isn't all that instinctive playing in reverse. However NFL teams generally prefer to get someone who can really run and cover, but can also tackle in a top 10 safety. Meanwhile, what we are hearing is that teams still aren't sold on Holliman as a sure-fire first rounder; he isn't all that big or tall and as you say isn't a particularly physical tackler but is a ball-hawker supreme. The question for him is speed; most teams figure that he runs in the 4.55-4.60 range which is okay, but if he could run under 4.50 at the combine then you could indeed see him move up.
RE: Thinking outside the box  
Percy : 11/27/2014 3:45 pm : link
In comment 12003496 Colin@gbn said:
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Morning guys ... And a very Happy Thanksgiving to you too Percy et al. And while you have it pretty much ass-backwards you have pretty much nailed how the Giants draft process works. I was talking with an old NFL personnel guy (not connected with the Giants) a year or so ago and he listed the Giants among the 5-6 teams he regarded as the most 'professional' organizations in the NFL (FTR he also included Green Bay, Pittsburgh, and Baltimore). And by professional he was referring to the fact that they had a situation (unlike say the Raiders with Al Davis or the Jerry Jones at Dallas today) where no one individual had a disparate impact on their personnel decisions.

And the process you mock is in fact pretty much how the process works. The team's regional scouts (and most of the Giants scouts have been with the team for years through (mostly) thick and thin) provide the original grades which get augmented by the area scouts and position coaches. Then they get everybody - and yeah the coaches are very much involved in the process - into the war room after the combine and pro days and hash out as a group the final grades, their board and short lists. And trust me the team then puts itself and its scouts through a most rigorous post-draft analysis process.

Of course the problem with that system is that there really isn't one guy to blame.


Colin: I'm grateful for your thorough reply to my mocking commentary on the Giants' draft process.

If that's how it really is, I'm flabbergasted. How are differences in views about players X,Y and Z resolved? I thinkl you are telling us that before any player gets to serious consideration, he has been graded by three (at least) different people: regional and area scouts and position coaches. Then others pile in. But who has the voice (or voices) more equal than those of the others when it comes to the final list? Is this done by vote? If so, who can vote (and do some have more votes than others)? Pretty obviously not all of them can be operating from the same knowledge or experience base about all players who get through a favorable initial grading.

How can Mara hold anyone responsible for anything about player selection with this kind of setup? If the answer is "He can't and doesn't," that doesn't sound right. It can't just be a matter of luck. And there have been too many stinker picks lately to say this sieve works well.

Holy smokes, Colin! But thanks again. Have to turn to my own Thanksgiving now as family approach -- young and younger (I'm the oldster today).
Colin . Re: 4/3 DE's  
LPete : 11/27/2014 4:04 pm : link
What's your opinion of Shilique Calhoun from Michigan st?
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