The Eli criticism has crossed the line into absurdity...

It must be mental torture to view it the way some of you do.

got that right.

a discussion board is all about. I see lots of posts I disagree with, but I don't disagree that they have every right to post them and their opinion is just as valid as mine.

The Problem With BBI, 2014 coming soon?

We won 2 Super Bowls with Manning, does that make him immune to criticism?
Some comments are not well expressed, but the gist is that there is something wrong, not only with the OL.

One pro Eli
The other Anti.

In comment 12002919 NewBlue said:

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We won 2 Super Bowls with Manning, does that make him immune to criticism? Some comments are not well expressed, but the gist is that there is something wrong, not only with the OL.

^^^^^case and point

take it from where it comes.

I'm kidding.

But really, its what people do. Sports is all about Monday morning quarterbacking these days. Micro analysis, tortured logic, and massive second guessing is what sports fans love to do...

Eli is not blameless in these shit shows. Do you feel differently?

Were laughable.

We've got some gems that post here that's for sure.

In comment 12002934 NewBlue said:

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Eli is not blameless in these shit shows. Do you feel differently?

He took us to the Super Bowl with 2 unbelievable runs when he had a better line to protect him.
Eli is not the problem with this team
He may be the problem with some of your fantasy teams though.

"case in point."
Fuck me. The level of knowledge, football and beyond, is astounding.

In comment 12002957 That Said said:

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"case in point." Fuck me. The level of knowledge, football and beyond, is astounding.

Thanx fer tat bun. Great additions to dis here tread.

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"case in point." Fuck me. The level of knowledge, football and beyond, is astounding.

I'm particularly fond of "welp", "could of" and "waala"

As someone who started a thread on Eli's throw, I'd ask you to reread my post.

I very clearly asked whether people thought it was good throw. I included the phrase "near perfect" as an option. I happen to think that it was an excellent throw, but I didn't want to bias the responses. I was a little surprised to read that Bill Simmons -- after calling Beckham's catch "the most acrobatic, highest degree of difficulty ever" -- called Eli's throw "errant."

I know that if I'd brought Simmons' name into the argument, the thread would have turned into a Bash Simmons thread. Though Simmons generally deserves it, I was simply curious whether people thought (like me) that Eli's throw was a very good one or not.

Are meant for discussion, it would be pretty boring if there wasn't discussion

In comment 12002968 crick78 said:

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Are meant for discussion, it would be pretty boring if there wasn't discussion

This^^^

For the next several years under a long term contract. That does not mean he is immune to criticism, he has been partially responsible for a lot of stuff that has been going on here recently

Here, hope you guys are not immune to criticism either, fucktarts.

Eli has always drawn criticism for INTs and other "blunders" over the seasons. The difference now is apparently some of you "FANS" are actually levying criticism over a TD Pass! That doesn't seem absurd to you? You know who thought is was a pretty damn good throw? The Cowboys defensive back who interfered with OBJ. Clearly, from his first hand vantage point he thought the throw looked on target.

Eli is not the problem. Lost in all this banter is the fact that Eli is on pace to have his best statistical season since 2011 and might have career highs in completion %. I would see he has rebounded nicely.

You know, the ones that have nothing to do with eli whatsoever, but are really secretly eli hit jobs by omission. Because why would anyone talk about anything or anyone else other than how great eli manning is. Just something fishy about that.

And the second guy who merely started a thread asking for input on the quality of eli's throw to obj without taking any stance at all, clearly trolling.

Theres definitely something surrounding eli here that has crossed the line into absurdity. But im not sure its what britt thinks. Im glad eli has thicker skin than most of his fans

For the td is not a reason to criticize manning it was the right call throw was good

Beckham caught the ball for a TD.

In comment 12002961 Zebra3 said:

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In comment 12002957 That Said said: Quote: "case in point." Fuck me. The level of knowledge, football and beyond, is astounding. Thanx fer tat bun. Great additions to dis here tread.

You're welcome. You can sleep peacefully knowing you learned something today.

Going after him for what was a great throw isn't fair; it's moron exposing.

To criticize Eli for throwing was may go down as one of the best pass and catches of all times - does seem frightfully absurd -

Eli only jokingly gave what these fools use for grist for this discussion with his off hand comments - but really - smell the roses here - get a grip

There are going to be comments throughout history now that are spun off that throw and catch --- I used it today with my wife who narrowly missed slamming into a truck on the ice and steered her car in-between a small gap between the truck and a light post to save what might have been a fatality morned in my household - I told her - "Hon - sounds like you pulled off a Beckham"

To criticize Eli for throwing was may go down as one of the best pass and catches of all times - does seem frightfully absurd -

Eli only jokingly gave what these fools use for grist for this discussion with his off hand comments - but really - smell the roses here - get a grip

There are going to be comments throughout history now that are spun off that throw and catch --- I used it today with my wife who narrowly missed slamming into a truck on the ice and steered her car in-between a small gap between the truck and a light post to save what might have been a fatality morned in my household - I told her - "Hon - sounds like you pulled off a Beckham"

of course you think all Eli criticism crosses the line into absurdity but whatevs.

There was a football franchise named the New York Giants. This football team was horrible they had no quarterback no wide receivers no talent on defense and were the laughingstock of the NFL.

Then through the grace of God they were given a GM by the league because the owners hated each other. This GM brought Drafted a quarterback name Simms.He was our first franchise quarterback and he got hurt a lot which led to really bad quarterbacks After he left the game it lead to lots of non-franchise quarterbacks lots of losing.

The Giants became a team that was known for their defense because their quarterbacks were so average.

Then finally after years of frustration the Giants finally drafted a franchise quarterback named Eli Manning.

He has since taken us to two Super Bowl's and was the MVP of both Super Bowl's and has broken most of the passing records of the franchise and has never been in trouble with the law or done anything that would embarrass the franchise
he just wins. But he cannot do it on his own he has to have the supporting structure to win you have to be protected so that he can make the big pass he has to have weapons to throw to He has to have a running game.

Football is a team sport it's not one man Eli has proved before that he can win the big one with the right cast.
He is the best quarterback this franchise has ever had. Put it back on the map.
Too many of the younger fans forget how bad this franchise was without a quarterback and how hard it was to get a quarterback.Yet since Eli is not a fantasy football star you guys would rather shit on him then rejoice that you have a quarterback who brought you to Super Bowl victory.nWaaa what have you done for me lately.
I have also heard that most of you complain about the salary cap and the money that you think he will be making.
Do you not realize the team can work around the salary cap to get the players that they need all teams do it.
you don't have to have a quarterback that does not make much to nothing to suceed.Or a quarterback that is overpaid.
in this league with these guys coming after him every week And the hits takes for this team because he has no protection,I say pay the man because he is worth it. He's never had a major injury and can keep you in every game when given a team around him

But I guess most of you would rather shit on him.

now that was a throw that was off target and Tyree saved Eli's bacon

In comment 12003025 chris r said:

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of course you think all Eli criticism crosses the line into absurdity but whatevs.

And the dunce can't help himself..

Eli is quietly having one his best three seasons in every stat except wins, despite no running game, a 32nd ranked defense, and shitty blocking.

puts us ahead in the 4th quarter with 2 minutes to go, yet people are pissed and want to make a switch. This is idiotic. I'd love to see how they react to the 25 or so Qbs in the league who are worse. I think I would pay to watch a game thread where Cutler was their QB.

Eli sailing interception (high throw) in that Dallas game was a huge dependent variable in losing that football game, or more simply an NFL stat about losing and turnovers. With our shitty defense we need points and not turnovers in the red zone area, whether it is 7 or 3 points.

Oh and then we have our record, 3 wins. Criticism is par for the course friends.

is having a good year (except for one game), and anyone calling for the team to sit him or dump him is wrong and would regret if it happened. He's a good QB and a great representative of the team. Like every other QB he makes mistakes and has bad games. I think those mistakes or games are fair subjects in discussions of the team. Everyone has opinions and those opinions can be argued against if you disagree. Personally, I think personal insults and attacks on posters for voicing their opinion is more egregious than daring to criticize one of Eli's plays. But that's just me.

until the Giants provide him an oline to maintain the statue QB model, just as Brady and his brother enjoy. Dallas finally figured it out, in that Romo will never take them to the SB until he can stand flat footed like he did on Sunday against us. Eli needs the same.

but, on a serious note...
Eli's throw was perfect. If OBJ did not get held there at the end, the ball would have dropped right into his hands/

to QB the Giants? Strawman.

The fact is that Eli is the starting QB of a putrid 3-8 team. Last season he was the starting QB for a team that began 0-6 and beat trash to limp to 7-9 (realistically more like a 4-12 team). His team continues to miss the playoffs. This will be 3 years in a row. 5 of the last 6. Is much of that mediocrity or worse due to injuries and shitty drafting? Undoubtedly. But you can't absolve universally of blame the QB that has started every one of those games throughout this multi-year ugly stretch.

Eli is a very good quarterback, on his own merit and especially relative to the pedestrian or worse QBs around the league. But people look around and see the Bradys and Rodgers' of the NFL and it's hard not to be a little envious of how they consistently elevate their teams to a degree that Manning does not. He can at times (2011 post-season, e.g.) but he doesn't do it consistently and it's frustrating.

What do you think Rodgers/Brady would have our team at?

I'm curious as to what people think those guys are worth relative to Eli in terms of wins.

In comment 12003228 BrettNYG10 said:

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What do you think Rodgers/Brady would have our team at? I'm curious as to what people think those guys are worth relative to Eli in terms of wins.

That is tough to say. I agree with Overseer that Eli does not elevate the offense. He does not make the marginal players better. When he has a sub par offense around him, he/we cannot afford to have THAT MANY errant passes or decisions. There is no margin of error for him unfortunately. So, to miss two of those TD passes were killer for us vs Dallas because we simply are not good enough to overcome that.

Now, to answer your question. I don't know... maybe Rodgers, Brady, Luck are good for two more wins? There really is no way to tell for sure. A question that cannot be answered. I will say this though.... if McAdoo continues to call for the QB to roll out, then Rodgers or Luck will probably be more successful there.

Back to Britt's original point. The criticism is absurd now. Eli is our QB. There is not a line of better QB's waiting for the Giants to call. Eli is more than capable of winning another championship here IF WE PUT A TEAM AROUND HIM.

In comment 12003237 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said:

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In comment 12003228 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: What do you think Rodgers/Brady would have our team at? I'm curious as to what people think those guys are worth relative to Eli in terms of wins. That is tough to say. I agree with Overseer that Eli does not elevate the offense. He does not make the marginal players better. When he has a sub par offense around him, he/we cannot afford to have THAT MANY errant passes or decisions. There is no margin of error for him unfortunately. So, to miss two of those TD passes were killer for us vs Dallas because we simply are not good enough to overcome that. Now, to answer your question. I don't know... maybe Rodgers, Brady, Luck are good for two more wins? There really is no way to tell for sure. A question that cannot be answered. I will say this though.... if McAdoo continues to call for the QB to roll out, then Rodgers or Luck will probably be more successful there. Back to Britt's original point. The criticism is absurd now. Eli is our QB. There is not a line of better QB's waiting for the Giants to call. Eli is more than capable of winning another championship here IF WE PUT A TEAM AROUND HIM.

i disagree.

i think eli consistently raises the level of play of others around him. in 2011 our defense and run game were ranked anywhere from 25th to 31st... the passing game was 8th...

i think what you said is kinda a trope that giants fans allowed other people to beat them into accepting... but it isnt true.

It must be pointed out how productive both were in the final 6 games that season including playoffs, from the jet game onward

eli "carried" the giants to a 7-7 record that year, a feat in itself given that could have easily been a 3-11 team by that point without the upper echelon passing game we possessed in eli's career year. But after that moment the entire team was clicking at the highest level (including but not remotely limited to eli playing very well) , special teams was awesome too and basically won us the nfc title game. The narrative with regards to eli carrying a bad team to a lombardi trophy that season was a bit of a stretch. He got us to 7-7 before it all came together

In comment 12003253 blakjedi said:

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In comment 12003237 EricJ (formerly Tyleraimee) said: Quote: In comment 12003228 BrettNYG10 said: Quote: What do you think Rodgers/Brady would have our team at? I'm curious as to what people think those guys are worth relative to Eli in terms of wins. That is tough to say. I agree with Overseer that Eli does not elevate the offense. He does not make the marginal players better. When he has a sub par offense around him, he/we cannot afford to have THAT MANY errant passes or decisions. There is no margin of error for him unfortunately. So, to miss two of those TD passes were killer for us vs Dallas because we simply are not good enough to overcome that. Now, to answer your question. I don't know... maybe Rodgers, Brady, Luck are good for two more wins? There really is no way to tell for sure. A question that cannot be answered. I will say this though.... if McAdoo continues to call for the QB to roll out, then Rodgers or Luck will probably be more successful there. Back to Britt's original point. The criticism is absurd now. Eli is our QB. There is not a line of better QB's waiting for the Giants to call. Eli is more than capable of winning another championship here IF WE PUT A TEAM AROUND HIM. i disagree. i think eli consistently raises the level of play of others around him. in 2011 our defense and run game were ranked anywhere from 25th to 31st... the passing game was 8th... i think what you said is kinda a trope that giants fans allowed other people to beat them into accepting... but it isnt true.

No man, I don't think you understand what it means to elevate the players around you. Has nothing to do with offensive stats.

how many more wins would a Rodgers/Brady/Luck be worth on this identical Giants team (coaches and all)? Luck, we know, took a 2-14 team and flipped them to 11-5 (although, to be fair, some of those 14 losses were due to tanking). Rodgers is a stupid good player. I don't think he misses Odell Beckham last week when he zoomed past the corner (could be wrong about that).

I'd wager that in this NFC East, Rodgers at least would have them competitive into the final weeks in a way that Eli does not. And, look, AR is an historically great QB and no one is claiming Eli is as good, but I'm saying it's understandable to want a little more from Manning and to not just be content with "do you know how hard it is to find a franchise QB???"

and its not just off target throws. Lets stop sugar coating the interceptions as " he is trying to make something happpen'. The guy is a mistake prone QB with accuracy issues. We keep talking about how nice a season Eli is having. Lets talk about the other QB's having even better season. There are plenty of them so it seems Eli is just average in todays QB world.

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and its not just off target throws. Lets stop sugar coating the interceptions as " he is trying to make something happpen'. The guy is a mistake prone QB with accuracy issues. We keep talking about how nice a season Eli is having. Lets talk about the other QB's having even better season. There are plenty of them so it seems Eli is just average in todays QB world.

Name 1 QB who is doing better with less around him.

and what they have done . Christ how hard is it to sack this statue? If the shoe were on the other foot our team would love to be going up against a one dimentional QB with poor mechanics and cement for feet. How many teams have such good or great Ol's? Better yet how many teams have poor OL's? You think the top QB's all have great OL? They manage to either throw a nice quick pass or an accurate pass. They survive. Remember when the Pitt QB got sacked the first three plays of a Monday night game with his jaw almost broken on the last sack? He then went on torebound and kill the other team. I bet if that happened to our team it would be lights out game over. Happy feet.

sucks...threads like these just keep me further away. Good effort, Britt, but as Frank Zappa said, stupid is the most prominent element on earth.

In comment 12003264 MarshallOnMontana said:

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It must be pointed out how productive both were in the final 6 games that season including playoffs, from the jet game onward eli "carried" the giants to a 7-7 record that year, a feat in itself given that could have easily been a 3-11 team by that point without the upper echelon passing game we possessed in eli's career year. But after that moment the entire team was clicking at the highest level (including but not remotely limited to eli playing very well) , special teams was awesome too and basically won us the nfc title game. The narrative with regards to eli carrying a bad team to a lombardi trophy that season was a bit of a stretch. He got us to 7-7 before it all came together

this was you in the Giants-Pats Super Bowl post game thread from 2012..

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How sick is this MarshallOnMontana : 2/6/2012 7:07 am : link Eli Manning career 4th quarter in the SB 19 for 28, 270 yards, 3 TD 0 INT 134.5 passer rating

And if I recall correctly, you praised Eli immensely during that whole season, and you know what...that's called being a fan. Now, two seasons later all you do is poor cold water on what Eli has accomplished here. Really weird from a supposed Giant fan.

Needs an O line to keep people off him as the Dallas O line kept people off Romeo last time out. It's that simple. Give him time and Eli will deliver. For years to come. So find those missing two or three O line guys (include a new LT -- Beatty is ordinary at best and at worst way less) and the O will be what it is supposed to be. Eli is the solution. not the problem.