The blockers (including Murray, who handles Jason Pierre-Paul one-on-one) easily take care of the three rushers, allowing Romo more than enough time to get the pass out to Bryant.
love that murray could handle JPP one on one and that on the 3 man rush where the giants had 8 in coverage to cover 4 receivers (i.e. a 2:1 ratio of defenders to receivers) they still gave up a big gain. not one blitz on that last drive. the only difference was 3 man rush and 4 man rush/medium zone/deep zone. prevent defense only prevents winning.
is shadowing either murray in case murray is given a dump off on a delay and romo in case he decided to run. kiwanuka was probably in one of fewell's tricky zone blitz plays, minus the blitz.
If the cowboys going 80 yards in 7 plays in 90 seconds
Isn't enough to get fewell canned at the end of the year then this whole organization is broken.
if that isn't enough, exhibit B is the 10 times russell wilson took a lovely stroll on the read option into an empty meadow with no defenders to interrupt his fresh air.
but again, it's not just fewell. it's coughlin that is accountable for the D too. he alluded to the fact that he was gun shy to blitz after the beasley touchdown.
because the alternative is to sit back and give Romo or any opposing QB unlimited armount of time. All this because we are afraid of giving up the big play. However, the irony is, we still do give up the home run ball. So then what?
What a shitty fucking defense, and coordinator. TC gets blame too. Something needs to change next season.
This defense and philosohy has made a complete mockery
because the alternative is to sit back and give Romo or any opposing QB unlimited armount of time. All this because we are afraid of giving up the big play. However, the irony is, we still do give up the home run ball. So then what?
What a shitty fucking defense, and coordinator. TC gets blame too. Something needs to change next season.
the whole game we were struggling to touch tony romo let alone hit or sack him....clearly the front four was not getting there...why not in that last drive (a) try moore since he is a pas rushing threat and the cowboys were most likely going to be passing the ball in a hurry up offense or (b) mix up the blitzes so at least pressure is manufactured instead of the inability for "organic" pressure from the front four to materialize. have three potential blitzers come before each play and make romo guess which one(s) is actually going to blitz and bluff. there was no blitzing or bluffing. it was death by a thousand cuts or steamboats.
RE: This defense and philosohy has made a complete mockery
when the Redskins gave the Giants the blueprint for getting to Romo.......
It's amazing how the Giant coaching staff, sees films of teams before playing them, and doesn't use what works against the opposition....when we played the Colts, we saw their defense had trouble coping with stacked receivers, yet we never attempted this...
Washington blitzed, and the Cowboys couldn't handle it....we rush 4, sometimes 3.....We have the likes of Patterson, Kuhn, and Kiwi rushing, while guys like Moore and Ayers are on the sidelines.....
DRC overplayed Dez to the center of the endzone, even though Demps was there....this allowed Dez to double back on him.....
There is no excuse for giving a qb of Romo's ability 8 seconds to throw, on consecutive plays.....coaching philosophy has hit an all time low.....this is another example of Kuhn coaching scared....
but it's not as if we are devoid of talent on the DL.
JPP, first round pick.
Kiwi, first round pick.
Hankins, second round pick.
Jenkins, well thought vet who did fine with GB and PHI.
Moore, third round pick.
Where did the talent go? Clearly someone thought highly of them at one time.
JPP has underachieved; Kiwi is done; and Moore is looking like yet another 3rd round bust.
DEs are a priority in this upcoming draft.
I don't think we can call Moore a bust yet. Am willing to move on from Kiwi and JPP, unless JPP takes a really team friendly contract which I don't think he will.
but it's not as if we are devoid of talent on the DL.
JPP, first round pick.
Kiwi, first round pick.
Hankins, second round pick.
Jenkins, well thought vet who did fine with GB and PHI.
Moore, third round pick.
Where did the talent go? Clearly someone thought highly of them at one time.
The talent is there, you need the right coach. The Lions have Jm Washburn whom all through his career has coached good defensive lines.
Not defending the strategy, but when the Giants blitzed, they didn't get there.
The Giants pass rush hasn't been able to win their matchups one-on-one. They need to send more people than the offense can block. It's risky and could lead to a big play. But unlike giving a QB all day to throw, it at least has a chance of working.
Poster above is right on, we play a defense designed not to give up the big play and then we give up the big play anyway. Fewell's been terrible for 5 years. And its TC fault for letting this go on so long. Time to move on.
365 days later and we are still fighting many of the same problems as last year...
- no pass rush
- can't run block worth a damn
- can't really blitz effectively with our defensive players
- running out of WRs and CBs that are healthy
- Eli still fighting lack of touch and high throws
- Romo leading his team right down the field to beat our team at the end of a game.
365 days later and we are still fighting many of the same problems as last year...
- no pass rush
- can't run block worth a damn
- can't really blitz effectively with our defensive players
- running out of WRs and CBs that are healthy
- Eli still fighting lack of touch and high throws
- Romo leading his team right down the field to beat our team at the end of a game.
Its fucking pathetic, it seems that outside of OBJ we have literally made zero progress in becoming a better football team, in fact we may be worse.
because the alternative is to sit back and give Romo or any opposing QB unlimited armount of time. All this because we are afraid of giving up the big play. However, the irony is, we still do give up the home run ball. So then what?
What a shitty fucking defense, and coordinator. TC gets blame too. Something needs to change next season.
the whole game we were struggling to touch tony romo let alone hit or sack him....clearly the front four was not getting there...why not in that last drive (a) try moore since he is a pas rushing threat and the cowboys were most likely going to be passing the ball in a hurry up offense or (b) mix up the blitzes so at least pressure is manufactured instead of the inability for "organic" pressure from the front four to materialize. have three potential blitzers come before each play and make romo guess which one(s) is actually going to blitz and bluff. there was no blitzing or bluffing. it was death by a thousand cuts or steamboats.
Both of these were answered but you guys don't like the answers. 1) Moore is a 3rd and long player because he can't/won't play the run and the Cowboys have this Murray guy who is pretty good. At no point were the Cowboys in third and long. 2) We do blitz, the blitzers don't get home. The assumption of the "pressure" people is that blitzing means pressure. With our shitty backers, it doesn't. It generally just leads to more holes.
365 days later and we are still fighting many of the same problems as last year...
- no pass rush
- can't run block worth a damn
- can't really blitz effectively with our defensive players
- running out of WRs and CBs that are healthy
- Eli still fighting lack of touch and high throws
- Romo leading his team right down the field to beat our team at the end of a game.
don't forget communication errors on the defense leading to assignment breakdowns and "walk in" touchdowns. just a coaching disgrace by coughlin and fewell.
because the alternative is to sit back and give Romo or any opposing QB unlimited armount of time. All this because we are afraid of giving up the big play. However, the irony is, we still do give up the home run ball. So then what?
What a shitty fucking defense, and coordinator. TC gets blame too. Something needs to change next season.
the whole game we were struggling to touch tony romo let alone hit or sack him....clearly the front four was not getting there...why not in that last drive (a) try moore since he is a pas rushing threat and the cowboys were most likely going to be passing the ball in a hurry up offense or (b) mix up the blitzes so at least pressure is manufactured instead of the inability for "organic" pressure from the front four to materialize. have three potential blitzers come before each play and make romo guess which one(s) is actually going to blitz and bluff. there was no blitzing or bluffing. it was death by a thousand cuts or steamboats.
Both of these were answered but you guys don't like the answers. 1) Moore is a 3rd and long player because he can't/won't play the run and the Cowboys have this Murray guy who is pretty good. At no point were the Cowboys in third and long. 2) We do blitz, the blitzers don't get home. The assumption of the "pressure" people is that blitzing means pressure. With our shitty backers, it doesn't. It generally just leads to more holes.
there was not a single blitz by the giants on that last drive. and while murray is a threat, the cowboys were more likely going to throw in that last drive with the game on the line, limited time on the clock and the need to march down the field. i don't think the cowboys were going to change their pass/run ratio just because moore was in the game at that stage.
yeah Kiwi and Rolle sitting there protecting a dump off or a QB run and why when the Cowboys clearly need to go down field and they also need to stop the clock.
So, you basically have two guys doing NOTHING. It is like we are playing with 9 on the field at that point.
You see JPP there who is unable to run over a guy who weighs at least 50 lbs less than he does. Does he lift weights? Has he been taught ANY kind of moves since he has been on the team? Can apply those two questions to others on that line too.
cannot give any excuse to not put pressure on a QB to throw any earlier than 6-7 seconds.
It was like our guys were going up against the great wall of China.
Absolutely zero reason to give JPP anything more than good/decent contract. Knowing some moron team (can you hear me Oakland?) will give him more, expect him to leave.
Kiwi is so done it has become embarrassing watching him try to get pressure. At least Ayers has the motor, but obvious other shortcomings. Does D Moore even play because he blends in so much like the others I can't even tell.
To sit here in November and wonder how/where the Giants will find 2 new Def Ends, 2 new LBs (one that can bring a pass rush), least 1-2 more Offensive Lineman, a TE and Safety in the off-season seems a daunting task...
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yeah Kiwi and Rolle sitting there protecting a dump off or a QB run and why when the Cowboys clearly need to go down field and they also need to stop the clock.
So, you basically have two guys doing NOTHING. It is like we are playing with 9 on the field at that point.
You see JPP there who is unable to run over a guy who weighs at least 50 lbs less than he does. Does he lift weights? Has he been taught ANY kind of moves since he has been on the team? Can apply those two questions to others on that line too.
Thats exactly the point i was trying to make earlier in the thread when i questioned exactly what the fuck those 2 are doing on that play. The cowboys had to go 80 yards and score a TD, they weren't looking to have romo or murray run with the ball.
they don't consistently even beat the man in front of them, one-on-one all that often. Talent-deficient at DE, across the board at LB, and currently at CB and S with the injuries factored in.
Throw in PF's frequent tone-deaf gameplans and in-game calls, and you've got mediocrity personified.
The good news is this is more evidence it's time for big changes on defense, PF being replaced included.
and the DTs have been a big disappointment this season, aside from
Ugh.
if that isn't enough, exhibit B is the 10 times russell wilson took a lovely stroll on the read option into an empty meadow with no defenders to interrupt his fresh air.
but again, it's not just fewell. it's coughlin that is accountable for the D too. he alluded to the fact that he was gun shy to blitz after the beasley touchdown.
What a shitty fucking defense, and coordinator. TC gets blame too. Something needs to change next season.
What a shitty fucking defense, and coordinator. TC gets blame too. Something needs to change next season.
the whole game we were struggling to touch tony romo let alone hit or sack him....clearly the front four was not getting there...why not in that last drive (a) try moore since he is a pas rushing threat and the cowboys were most likely going to be passing the ball in a hurry up offense or (b) mix up the blitzes so at least pressure is manufactured instead of the inability for "organic" pressure from the front four to materialize. have three potential blitzers come before each play and make romo guess which one(s) is actually going to blitz and bluff. there was no blitzing or bluffing. it was death by a thousand cuts or steamboats.
the franchise of LT, harry carson, carl banks, jim burt, leonard marshall, michael strahan, jessie armstead, etc etc.
It's amazing how the Giant coaching staff, sees films of teams before playing them, and doesn't use what works against the opposition....when we played the Colts, we saw their defense had trouble coping with stacked receivers, yet we never attempted this...
Washington blitzed, and the Cowboys couldn't handle it....we rush 4, sometimes 3.....We have the likes of Patterson, Kuhn, and Kiwi rushing, while guys like Moore and Ayers are on the sidelines.....
DRC overplayed Dez to the center of the endzone, even though Demps was there....this allowed Dez to double back on him.....
There is no excuse for giving a qb of Romo's ability 8 seconds to throw, on consecutive plays.....coaching philosophy has hit an all time low.....this is another example of Kuhn coaching scared....
Not defending the strategy, but when the Giants blitzed, they didn't get there.
Not defending the strategy, but when the Giants blitzed, they didn't get there.
Eric, True, but they don't have a strong enough secondary to sit back in coverage. Their only hope is to remain aggressive.
JPP, first round pick.
Kiwi, first round pick.
Hankins, second round pick.
Jenkins, well thought vet who did fine with GB and PHI.
Moore, third round pick.
Where did the talent go? Clearly someone thought highly of them at one time.
JPP has underachieved; Kiwi is done; and Moore is looking like yet another 3rd round bust.
DEs are a priority in this upcoming draft.
JPP has underachieved; Kiwi is done; and Moore is looking like yet another 3rd round bust.
DEs are a priority in this upcoming draft.
I don't think we can call Moore a bust yet. Am willing to move on from Kiwi and JPP, unless JPP takes a really team friendly contract which I don't think he will.
JPP, first round pick.
Kiwi, first round pick.
Hankins, second round pick.
Jenkins, well thought vet who did fine with GB and PHI.
Moore, third round pick.
Where did the talent go? Clearly someone thought highly of them at one time.
The talent is there, you need the right coach. The Lions have Jm Washburn whom all through his career has coached good defensive lines.
Look back what he did with Jason Babin.
Because our 4 guys suck as pass rushers?
So that would mean that the picture and commentary were posted by someone who intentionally distorted what happened on the play.
Not defending the strategy, but when the Giants blitzed, they didn't get there.
And I know the secondary is depleted now, but he wasn't even aggressive early in the season when they had their deep/talented corners.
365 days later and we are still fighting many of the same problems as last year...
- no pass rush
- can't run block worth a damn
- can't really blitz effectively with our defensive players
- running out of WRs and CBs that are healthy
- Eli still fighting lack of touch and high throws
- Romo leading his team right down the field to beat our team at the end of a game.
365 days later and we are still fighting many of the same problems as last year...
- no pass rush
- can't run block worth a damn
- can't really blitz effectively with our defensive players
- running out of WRs and CBs that are healthy
- Eli still fighting lack of touch and high throws
- Romo leading his team right down the field to beat our team at the end of a game.
Its fucking pathetic, it seems that outside of OBJ we have literally made zero progress in becoming a better football team, in fact we may be worse.
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because the alternative is to sit back and give Romo or any opposing QB unlimited armount of time. All this because we are afraid of giving up the big play. However, the irony is, we still do give up the home run ball. So then what?
What a shitty fucking defense, and coordinator. TC gets blame too. Something needs to change next season.
the whole game we were struggling to touch tony romo let alone hit or sack him....clearly the front four was not getting there...why not in that last drive (a) try moore since he is a pas rushing threat and the cowboys were most likely going to be passing the ball in a hurry up offense or (b) mix up the blitzes so at least pressure is manufactured instead of the inability for "organic" pressure from the front four to materialize. have three potential blitzers come before each play and make romo guess which one(s) is actually going to blitz and bluff. there was no blitzing or bluffing. it was death by a thousand cuts or steamboats.
Dallas was passing, and did. They needed a TD not a FG. Moore should have been in there.
Where was Ayers? Why was Kuhn in there?
365 days later and we are still fighting many of the same problems as last year...
- no pass rush
- can't run block worth a damn
- can't really blitz effectively with our defensive players
- running out of WRs and CBs that are healthy
- Eli still fighting lack of touch and high throws
- Romo leading his team right down the field to beat our team at the end of a game.
don't forget communication errors on the defense leading to assignment breakdowns and "walk in" touchdowns. just a coaching disgrace by coughlin and fewell.
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because the alternative is to sit back and give Romo or any opposing QB unlimited armount of time. All this because we are afraid of giving up the big play. However, the irony is, we still do give up the home run ball. So then what?
What a shitty fucking defense, and coordinator. TC gets blame too. Something needs to change next season.
the whole game we were struggling to touch tony romo let alone hit or sack him....clearly the front four was not getting there...why not in that last drive (a) try moore since he is a pas rushing threat and the cowboys were most likely going to be passing the ball in a hurry up offense or (b) mix up the blitzes so at least pressure is manufactured instead of the inability for "organic" pressure from the front four to materialize. have three potential blitzers come before each play and make romo guess which one(s) is actually going to blitz and bluff. there was no blitzing or bluffing. it was death by a thousand cuts or steamboats.
Both of these were answered but you guys don't like the answers. 1) Moore is a 3rd and long player because he can't/won't play the run and the Cowboys have this Murray guy who is pretty good. At no point were the Cowboys in third and long. 2) We do blitz, the blitzers don't get home. The assumption of the "pressure" people is that blitzing means pressure. With our shitty backers, it doesn't. It generally just leads to more holes.
So, you basically have two guys doing NOTHING. It is like we are playing with 9 on the field at that point.
You see JPP there who is unable to run over a guy who weighs at least 50 lbs less than he does. Does he lift weights? Has he been taught ANY kind of moves since he has been on the team? Can apply those two questions to others on that line too.
It was like our guys were going up against the great wall of China.
Absolutely zero reason to give JPP anything more than good/decent contract. Knowing some moron team (can you hear me Oakland?) will give him more, expect him to leave.
Kiwi is so done it has become embarrassing watching him try to get pressure. At least Ayers has the motor, but obvious other shortcomings. Does D Moore even play because he blends in so much like the others I can't even tell.
To sit here in November and wonder how/where the Giants will find 2 new Def Ends, 2 new LBs (one that can bring a pass rush), least 1-2 more Offensive Lineman, a TE and Safety in the off-season seems a daunting task...
So, you basically have two guys doing NOTHING. It is like we are playing with 9 on the field at that point.
You see JPP there who is unable to run over a guy who weighs at least 50 lbs less than he does. Does he lift weights? Has he been taught ANY kind of moves since he has been on the team? Can apply those two questions to others on that line too.
Thats exactly the point i was trying to make earlier in the thread when i questioned exactly what the fuck those 2 are doing on that play. The cowboys had to go 80 yards and score a TD, they weren't looking to have romo or murray run with the ball.
Throw in PF's frequent tone-deaf gameplans and in-game calls, and you've got mediocrity personified.
The good news is this is more evidence it's time for big changes on defense, PF being replaced included.