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Rueben Randle is 23 Years Old When the Season Ends.

Jesse B : 11/28/2014 10:03 am
I know how much people love to hate on Randle so this may not be that well received. But when the season ends Rueben Randle will be 23 years old, and won't turn 24 until next May.

I know he's the cause of all of Eli Manning's interceptions and that he can't play a lick, but the fact of that matter is Randle is still a rising player!


He is NOT a #1 WR yet, but he's a very fine #2 WR who still has promise to get better.

Right now he's the 39th rated Pro Football Focus WR, which of course is not great, but considering there are 32 teams in the league that would make him about the 7th best #2 or better than some teams number 1 WRs. He's 20th in the league in receptions. The last two years he averaged over 15 yards per catch which showed that he made some big plays down field and last year he led the team in touchdown receptions.

He is a very solid #2 WR who still has upside.

Again he is 23 years old. Right now with 3 years in the league he is still younger than these players (and I didn't search every WR age, just grabbed 50 or so names):


Rookie John Brown (24), 2nd year year players Markus Wheaton Coradelle Patterson (both an older 23) and Terrance Williams (25 years old).

He is the same age has 2nd year players Justin Hunter (Randle is older by 7 days), and Rookies Marqise Lee (just turned 23), and Bruce Ellington (will turn 24 shortly after Randle does).


Corey Washington will also turn 23 in December (Randle will turn 24 next May). Meaning Washington everyone's favorite promising young player is about the same age as Randle.



I know Randle is not yet who we hoped he would be, but he still might Be. Another year in this offensive system, and an off-season working with what seems to be a very determined player (and former teammate and friend) in OBJ might do wonders for Randle.


If OBJ is who we think he is, and Cruz can come back healthy the Giants are set at WR. They don't need another guy there because it's handled. If Cruz isn't going to come back then I think they need a slot guy, and if there is a talent like Cooper available it doesn't mean the Giants should pass, but anyone who thinks Randle is a major issue is off-base in my opinion. There are bigger issues than adding a young #2 WR to complement with Beckham because it seems like to me the Giants already have that guy.
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I want Randle on the team for many years to come  
Ben in Tampa : 11/28/2014 10:43 am : link
just not as an every down WR.

This franchise kept the faith in Sinorice Moss for many years, and Randle is a much better receiver than he was. They will continue to try and develop him and give him chances.
wilson as opposed to Glen  
alligatorpie : 11/28/2014 10:45 am : link
many of us had huge question marks hanging over our heads with that one.

people have become very polite post pick, I think we can go back to being direct
rocco  
JonC : 11/28/2014 10:45 am : link
Agree with your breakdown. I doubt they cut him loose so soon, but the consistent negatives and lack of improvement on them are a big concern.

If he were the vertical threat they believed he would be, he could help stretch the defense and create space for OB and (a healthy) Cruz, but his route tree appears to be very limited and inside of 20 yards, for the most part.
Hopefully  
Peter from CT : 11/28/2014 10:45 am : link
He hasn't reached his peak.
RE: ...  
Florida Warrior : 11/28/2014 10:47 am : link
In comment 12004382 SanFranGiantsFan said:
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When you draft a WR in the 2nd round, you're hoping for more than a quality #3 WR.


bingo
RE: I want Randle on the team for many years to come  
Blue Baller : 11/28/2014 10:47 am : link
In comment 12004452 Ben in Tampa said:
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just not as an every down WR.

This franchise kept the faith in Sinorice Moss for many years, and Randle is a much better receiver than he was. They will continue to try and develop him and give him chances.


Moss just played out his rookie deal, as Randle will as well (at the minimum)
RE: I want Randle on the team for many years to come  
Florida Warrior : 11/28/2014 10:48 am : link
In comment 12004452 Ben in Tampa said:
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just not as an every down WR.

This franchise kept the faith in Sinorice Moss for many years, and Randle is a much better receiver than he was. They will continue to try and develop him and give him chances.


hooray! he's better than Sinorice Moss!!! there's the potential
we had the same discussion last year  
alligatorpie : 11/28/2014 10:51 am : link
the 'burner vs the OL' draft priority.

with some saying that you need a burner to threaten the D and some saying it will not matter if eli is on his ass.

I think Randle can be a nice part of the system.

I like the new OL coach.

I like how it functioned prior to RB jennings injury.

I think we lack a slot player.

if you get a burner, the speed part must only be one aspect of the thing, it must be a great wr....that means a round 1 pick.

I am leaning towards a pass rusher.
Randle is very similar  
crick78 : 11/28/2014 10:51 am : link
to Toomer, let's just hope he turns the corner like Toomer.
Hey  
rocco8112 : 11/28/2014 10:51 am : link
I hope he improves. I just will not hold my breath and think the Giants can do better.
similar  
crick78 : 11/28/2014 10:51 am : link
as in maturity
It's not like Randle doesn't make great plays  
armsteadeatslittlekids : 11/28/2014 10:53 am : link
He just follows them up with boneheaded, often game changing mistakes at a seemingly 2:1 ratio. Throw in missing routine catches at an unacceptable clip and we have the perfect formula for a guy who will most definitely be around and playing a lot, but will be causing us to pull out our hair every game. Fuck Ruben Randle now and in the future.
RE: RE: ...  
SanFranGiantsFan : 11/28/2014 10:54 am : link
In comment 12004416 Mason said:
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In comment 12004382 SanFranGiantsFan said:


Quote:


When you draft a WR in the 2nd round, you're hoping for more than a quality #3 WR.



Not sure if serious. He was the last pick in the 2nd round. The last WR of his tier to get selected.


Yes, I'm serious. Randle is nothing to write home about. He doesn't put the fear of God into the defense & he makes a mental error every five seconds. That '12 draft was just a complete abomination.
RE: Randle is very similar  
section125 : 11/28/2014 10:54 am : link
In comment 12004477 crick78 said:
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to Toomer, let's just hope he turns the corner like Toomer.


Took Toomer (or Tommer if you prefer) 3 years to start playing well. He was almost awful the 1st 2 years.

Can't give up on a 6-2 210lb WR at 23 yrs old, yet.
section  
crick78 : 11/28/2014 10:57 am : link
I don't think the Giants should or will give up on Randle yet. I was comparing this situation to another situation that was probably even against more odds to succeed (toomer). There is hope, but it's up to RAndle, just like it was up to "Tommer"
Randle  
rocco8112 : 11/28/2014 10:59 am : link
plays in an era where DB's by rule can not compete. It is easier forna WR to play this day in age.

Also, he plays with Eli who, in my opinion, makes all WR's better.

I doubt he turns out like Toomer but I hope he does.
RE: section  
section125 : 11/28/2014 11:00 am : link
In comment 12004488 crick78 said:
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I don't think the Giants should or will give up on Randle yet. I was comparing this situation to another situation that was probably even against more odds to succeed (toomer). There is hope, but it's up to RAndle, just like it was up to "Tommer"


Agreed. Even if he is a reliable #3 for 5 or 6 years, then the pick was worth it. I'll take 50 recpt at 600 yds and 5 or 6 tds from a #3 that doesn't get hurt.
In nearly...  
Ryan : 11/28/2014 11:03 am : link
...every Gilbride interview this season he more or less refused to even acknowledge Randle as the #3. He essentially worded everything as if he was a placeholder keeping the seat warm.

I think that speaks volumes.
Observational bias  
HomerJones45 : 11/28/2014 11:06 am : link
is an epidemic on BBI. Once the mob gets down on a player, there is no redemption. All of his mistakes will be instantly recognized and good play will be ignored. And God forbid the guy simply be a solid player and not a super star.

Better get used to Randle. Decent receivers are hard to find and Randle is a very decent receiver. With the state of the defense, I doubt we are spending any high picks on offensive players.

OP, good thread.
if Cruz  
bluepepper : 11/28/2014 11:13 am : link
comes back Randle is not horrible as a 3rd receiver. If Cruz doesn't come back then he might be a decent option in the slot. The coaches talked a bit about the slot for him in pre-season but made no sense with JJ and Cruz. Either way, he's back next year because I doubt we can afford to spend money/high picks on WR. Too many other needs.
At this point in time, it doesn't matter where Randle was drafted  
Jupiter : 11/28/2014 11:20 am : link
He is a #3 receiver. If Cruz doesn't come back strong, then they will need a new #2, but no matter what, Randle is #3.
RE: The lightbulb hasn't completely turned on yet  
Jimmy Googs : 11/28/2014 11:23 am : link
In comment 12004430 JonC said:
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He is still demonstrating a less than optimal grasp of the system, and his work ethic has been a consistent knock on him. He needs to grow into a legit professional, play with a sense of urgency, fight for position and passes, etc.


These were all if his same issues last year. You would expect some of them to lessen and yet they haven't...at all.
RE: In nearly...  
Mason : 11/28/2014 11:24 am : link
In comment 12004499 Ryan said:
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...every Gilbride interview this season he more or less refused to even acknowledge Randle as the #3. He essentially worded everything as if he was a placeholder keeping the seat warm.

I think that speaks volumes.


Speaks volumes about what? Gilbride is no offensive guru. And struggled mightly as a HC when given the opportunity. He was on the staff of SB winner.
Gilbride  
crick78 : 11/28/2014 11:26 am : link
is no offensive guru? Alright, how would you explain his ability or knowledge of an NFL offense? His ability to run a productive NFL offense?
RE: The lightbulb hasn't completely turned on yet  
mrvax : 11/28/2014 11:29 am : link
In comment 12004430 JonC said:
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He is still demonstrating a less than optimal grasp of the system, and his work ethic has been a consistent knock on him. He needs to grow into a legit professional, play with a sense of urgency, fight for position and passes, etc.


Bingo. He acts as if he' stupid. He really needs to put the time and effort in to become a very good, consistent receiver.
Maybe Beckham can work with him.
Add Cobb in off season  
richinpa : 11/28/2014 11:35 am : link
Randall Cobb has wheels and knows the offense and is a FA

Add him in the off season and we can see if Randle can raise his game to win the #2 role or become a real #3 (manningham "esque").

With Cruz rehabbing he won't really be a threat next year or we can't risk not filling this spot

ODB, Cobb, Randle and Cruz would be great depth....let Jernigan and others fight for the 5th spot and then...we are loaded.
When  
fkap : 11/28/2014 11:36 am : link
OBJ was drafted, that automatically relegated Randle to the 3rd WR. Cruz situation muddies the water, but reality is that middle of the pack is where the Giants saw Randle at the beginning of the season, and nothing has really changed.

FA and the draft can change things, but right now, other than Randle, there is no one even close to being (deserving) 3rd on the roster. Parker? Jernigan?

Sure the hope was for better, but it could have been worse, too.
.  
JonC : 11/28/2014 11:36 am : link
If a fan doesn't understand Randle's current performance level, rocco's post is a solid, accurate starting point without observational bias.

As Ryan injected, KG's politically correct nuggets to the media speak to Randle's slow adjustment to the NFL game, to be polite.

Hopefully maturation picks up momentum, but he is what he is at the moment.
At the very least, by the end of next season he'll be  
Bill in UT : 11/28/2014 11:45 am : link
a year older. Btw, Moore was only 20 when we drafted him, he's just 22 now.
He's 23....  
RetroJint : 11/28/2014 11:58 am : link
and in 3 years, he has a chance to be 26. --Casey Stengel
When he steps up to his draft status  
Kingofmarketing : 11/28/2014 12:27 pm : link
let us know please, he has never come up in the clutch in his life late in a game, and has not improved since his rookie year. When his rookie contract is over throw that piece of garbage who only wants a paycheck OUT!!!!
I will admit to hating the player  
NYG82 : 11/28/2014 1:04 pm : link
But I have to admit I didn't realize he was this young. I still do not like the player and do not necessarily want to give up on him, but damn he is still very young. Hopefully he can get his head out of his ass and be a good #3 WR in this offense going forward.
Looks better lately  
TMS : 11/28/2014 2:15 pm : link
and could be a late bloomer like Toomer. He has good hands and size, now if his attitude and head mature it could happen. Everyone on the offense is hampered by this putrid OL as well.
Common misconception (re 2nd round WR value)  
Jesse B : 11/28/2014 2:31 pm : link
Here's another point too besides the fact that Randle is so young.

I see often, and a few times through this thread when you draft a WR in the 2nd round you EXPECT such and such.


Well here are the WR drafted in the 2nd round from 2009-2013

Justin Hunter, Terrance Williams, Robert Woods, Aaron Dobson, Brian Quick, Stephen Hill, Ryan Bryoles, ALSHON JEFFEREY, Rueben Randle, Titus Young, TORREY SMITH, Greg Little, RANDALL COBB, Arrelious Benn, Golden Tate, Dexter McCluster, Brian Robiski, Mohammad Massaquoi.

And then 2008 which was odd year because no 1st round WR and a ton of 2nd round guys

Donnie Avery, Devin Thomas, JORDY NELSON, James Hardy, Eddie Royal, Jerome Simpson, DESEAN JACKSON, Malcolm Kelly, Limas Sweed, Dexter Jackson.



So since 2008 there have been 29 WR drafted in the 2nd round. How many of these guys are definitely above Randle.


Jordy Nelson, DeSean Jackson, Alshon Jefferey, and Randall Cobb, and Torrey Smith. That's 5 GUYS! 2 of those guys play with Aaron Rodgers (wonder if that helps any).

I'd listen to arguments for Golden Tate as well (but Tate was not any better through his first 3 years.


So you may HOPE for a #1 WR from a 2nd round pick, but quite frankly it doesn't really happen too often (unless you play with Aaron Rodgers)
so my main point is/was  
Jesse B : 11/28/2014 2:34 pm : link
That, yes we want more from Rueben Randle, but I can't stand hearing about how he's a bust. He's not. He's actually quite a bit better than the average 2nd round draft pick at the WR position, and he's a guy with room to improve.

He makes tough catches over the middle, he can be a red-zone threat, and he can at times stretch the field. He's not great, but with the emergence of OBJ I and making sure the Giants have a good slot guy (hopefully Cruz) I think Randle is a guy the Giants should consider okay to move forward with.
Randle  
Arcanum : 11/28/2014 2:35 pm : link
Is a backup wide receiver, that's starting. I think they should really start giving Washington some extra playing time. The season is over with. So, start getting him prepared, for next year.
I'm not saying we should release Randle... or even bench him  
SHO'NUFF : 11/28/2014 8:05 pm : link
I'm definitely saying he should see less targets.
RE: rocco  
BigBlueinChicago : 11/28/2014 8:27 pm : link
In comment 12004458 JonC said:
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Agree with your breakdown. I doubt they cut him loose so soon, but the consistent negatives and lack of improvement on them are a big concern.

If he were the vertical threat they believed he would be, he could help stretch the defense and create space for OB and (a healthy) Cruz, but his route tree appears to be very limited and inside of 20 yards, for the most part.


What was the Giants basis for him being a vertical threat?

Even his right up by one of the mock draft sites said his upside in the pros would be as a possession receiver, but could not get separation on good DB's in college.

Here were three weaknesses they had for him:

- Lacks speed to separate against good DBs
- Not a deep threat; won't stretch the field
- Never was truly dominant

All of this has come true in the pros. Even every Saturday in the SEC, one could see that. My only conclusion is that they talked themselves into thinking he could be that because the QB play from LSU was substandard, figuring that having Manning would bring more out of him.

Clearly they whiffed on that.
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23 year olds are morons.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/28/2014 8:29 pm : link
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RR reminds me of  
dep026 : 11/28/2014 8:33 pm : link
the team we are playing this week.
I can't stand him as a player. I  
AnishPatel : 11/28/2014 9:53 pm : link
hope we don't re-sign him when his contract expires in 2 seasons. Plus if we keep this system, we need a WR that can get YAC yards.
He is a no 3 WR on a good team  
spike : 11/29/2014 12:06 am : link
like Manningham was.

Let's hope Cruz recovers enough to be our no 2 or 1B
Randle should peak next year, year #2 in this offense  
SGMen : 11/29/2014 12:15 am : link
Honestly, with today's rules, there is no reason to believe that in a contract year he won't be a 7-85 per game kind of guy. He'll man the short stuff with an occasional deep ball. This assumes O. Beckham stays healthy and keeps things open for him.

I can see Eli going to him a lot these last five games.
No YAC, plods on the field  
Some Fan : 11/29/2014 2:56 am : link
bonehead routes. Not someone to build a future with. He has hit his ceiling.
RE: I'm not saying we should release Randle... or even bench him  
crick78 : 11/29/2014 9:32 am : link
How does that work exactly, Randle seeing less targets? If randle is open the qb will throw it to him, if Randle has single coverage or is the best option against a certain defense the qb will go to him. The NFL game is not like madden where you can just throw to who you want and ignore who you want. The qb reads the defense and finds the best option to beat the called defense. If Randle is the best option he will probably look Randle's way.


In comment 12005250 SHO'NUFF said:
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I'm definitely saying he should see less targets.
re  
diable : 11/29/2014 1:50 pm : link
Amani Toomer first 4years

1 catch/ 12yards/ 0td
16 / 263 / 1
27 / 60 / 5
79 / 1183 / 6
typo  
diable : 11/29/2014 2:27 pm : link
Not 60
360 yards
Randel would be best  
hudson : 11/30/2014 1:26 pm : link
As a new number 4 WR in a Rams type offense, with Cruz and Beckum 1-2, and a Ricky Prohel possession WR.

He's not a consistent enough route runner or pass catcher to be a starter.
...  
yankees78 : 11/30/2014 9:51 pm : link
I want to say bye bye to Randle
Randle seems to have an internal problem  
kmed : 11/30/2014 9:52 pm : link
that won't change.
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