No, Eli doesn't deserve to be benched.
Rather, in order to protect him the rest of the season from this atrocious OL, the Giants should consider playing Nassib now. With the line's inability to block reliably and Eli's declining mobility, the risk of injury to the franchise QB seems very high right now. And since the season is already shot, why not give Nassib some opportunity to use his mobility and skills to develop and gain experience the remainder of the year?
I doubt Eli has a fragile ego, or a look over his shoulder mentality, but there is a psychological element to pulling him in the second half if he's not playing bad. not only does it make Eli wonder if he's going to finish his career here, but with the mood of the fans right now, one decent quarter by Nassib starts a QB controversy.
He probably got an Xbox one and is too cool to play with the rest of us still on 360...
I would play Nassib, especially against not-so-great teams like Tennessee to give him experience and see if he has something to work with going forward. It won't happen though.
There is no such thing as a meaningless game where the coaches and players of the NFL are considered.
There's really no upside to playing Nassib, protecting Eli is a specious argument.
The problem with this is that although we're resolved to losing and getting a better draft pick, the team has to play to win. Can't try to do that and say you're putting in Nassib with a straight face.
I do think we'd benefit though - Eli doesn't need the additional reps, and Nassib could use some practice. You open a can of worms, though, if Nassib starts to outproduce Eli (which is unlikely, but still possible).
I think at this point you can tell them that at 3-9 it's time to evaluate who should be on this team next year, including you.
You're telling them that the season is over and it's almost like pre-season. Seeing what guys who haven't had a chance can do.
The problem with this is that although we're resolved to losing and getting a better draft pick, the team has to play to win. Can't try to do that and say you're putting in Nassib with a straight face.
These guys know what kind of year the team has had. I'd think playing for their jobs is more important to them right now than worrying about the final record.
It's not that Eli counts and they don't, it's that Eli is worth more to the team, as evidenced by his paycheck. Players know the rules are different for QBs because, well, the rules are different for QBs.
I know this won't happen, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't. If winning the next game is always the most important thing, then why did the team begin Eli's career when they did when Eli clearly wasn't ready (see Eli vs. Ravens)? Sometimes you do things for tomorrow and not today.
Huh? I guess there is an I in team.
If you're okay with that, fine. If not, don't delude yourself into thinking some reasoning about you're "protecting him" that you could never share with anyone that even may leak it publicly would make it all okay and you wouldn't be starting an ugly break-up right then and there.
If you're okay with that, fine. If not, don't delude yourself into thinking some reasoning about you're "protecting him" that you could never share with anyone that even may leak it publicly would make it all okay and you wouldn't be starting an ugly break-up right then and there.
I don't see that at all. You think Eli isn't capable of understanding and accepting that the team needs to see what they have in Nassib going forward?
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has earned the right to pad his stats ...He should finish the season with 30 TD's and around 4000 yards.The numbers that he accumulates will help determine his HOF chances once he retires .
Huh? I guess there is an I in team.
Yes there is when you have a guy that has given so much to an organization. Eli has earned it and when you take in to account that he is still playing well, what has he done to lose his job?
Having it broken by a team that surrounded him with shit because they surrounded him with shit and now want to potentially try out his replacement isn't what is best for Eli Manning. Not career prospects wise if he's publicly being shown as lame duck-able here, not image wise, within the locker room (forget the never ending media shit storm he'd have to deal with) if he's overtly painted as too special a snowflake to be risked.
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he's not going to start another game for this franchise in all likelihood.
If you're okay with that, fine. If not, don't delude yourself into thinking some reasoning about you're "protecting him" that you could never share with anyone that even may leak it publicly would make it all okay and you wouldn't be starting an ugly break-up right then and there.
I don't see that at all. You think Eli isn't capable of understanding and accepting that the team needs to see what they have in Nassib going forward?
I don't think you go into a real game for the purpose of preparing for next year as that would not be fair to the thousands of fans who attend the games. It's also not what the NFL is all about.
I hate when some teams sit key players in week 17 to rest them for the playoffs.
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he's not going to start another game for this franchise in all likelihood.
If you're okay with that, fine. If not, don't delude yourself into thinking some reasoning about you're "protecting him" that you could never share with anyone that even may leak it publicly would make it all okay and you wouldn't be starting an ugly break-up right then and there.
I don't see that at all. You think Eli isn't capable of understanding and accepting that the team needs to see what they have in Nassib going forward?
And he will see that as them deciding if they can win with Nassib and not pay Eli. "Eli we need to see what we have in Ryan and if he can replace you."
This stuff is silly. No one is calling for Nassib to start a game and end Eli's streak. And NFL players ALL understand that their jobs are always on the line every week. If Eli can't understand that the Giants need to have a viable backup if he ever gets hurt, then he's not half the man people think he is.
It may seem to make sense from our couch, but there may be a reason professional football teams never do it.
Smart people would know that is what is happening, and that is one reason it won't happen. The media and fan reaction would explode. Just too disruptive.
It may seem to make sense from our couch, but there may be a reason professional football teams never do it.
Yes, in my years of watching football I have seen lots of times when backup QBs got in in the 4th quarter to finish a game, especially if the outcome was not in doubt, one way or the other. Usually they spend their time just handing off to kill the clock, but that doesn't have to be the case.
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starting QB benched at the end of the season in order to see what the back-up can do? I haven't, only time I have seen it is when the starting QB's future with the team is on thin ice and usually it is a precursor to replacing him.
It may seem to make sense from our couch, but there may be a reason professional football teams never do it.
Yes, in my years of watching football I have seen lots of times when backup QBs got in in the 4th quarter to finish a game, especially if the outcome was not in doubt, one way or the other. Usually they spend their time just handing off to kill the clock, but that doesn't have to be the case.
If he plays well, you can field offers for him or keep him and field offers for Eli. It's your best chance of getting an additional pick in the coming draft. Either way you know what you have going forward. If they don't play him I know the front office has no idea what they're doing. Then when Eli gets hurt they can say ughh we're trying to win games here that don't mean anything.
If he plays well, you can field offers for him or keep him and field offers for Eli. It's your best chance of getting an additional pick in the coming draft. Either way you know what you have going forward. If they don't play him I know the front office has no idea what they're doing. Then when Eli gets hurt they can say ughh we're trying to win games here that don't mean anything.
4th round pick is anything but a high draft pick.
Just like cutting Rhett Bomar was the gravest mistake Jerry Reese would ever make.
The only way this happens if the Giants knew this moment they were moving on, and frankly, I'm not sure it would happen then either. Not after what Eli hasn't given the franchise.
This Eli moving on business is so unlikely. So very unlikely.
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That is what happened to David Carr! He was a #1 draft choice of Houston and they threw him to the wolves! Putrid OL led him to be brutalized for several years. That is why he was so gun shy, get beat-up enough and, YES, you flinch! The only reason to put him in games is to keep Eli from taking unnecessary hits.
Otherwise you are just flushing another mid-round pick down the drain. People were touting this pick as a first round grade way back when, even though in actuality there wasn't any utility in the pick anyway.
Heck, Reese would've just wasted the pick on someone crappy anyway. At least this way we can't pass formal judgement on the pick.
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That being said I think it makes sense for him to have a showcase game at some point this year. If the Giants are committed to keeping Manning at the helm, it makes sense to put Nassib out there to see if the Giants can flip him for a 4th or better pick. Having two 4th round picks could be great. Last year the Giants took Nat Berhe and Devon Kennard with their two 5th round picks, and both are contributing on some level.
If the Giants roll into week 17 at 4-11 or 3-12, there's nothing to be gained by throwing Eli out there behind an OL that will probably be in worse shape than it is now. If Nassib goes 19-31 for 200 and a touchdown, maybe a team will bite.