NEW YORK (AP) — Speedy outfielder Eric Young Jr. is becoming a free agent after the New York Mets declined to offer him a contract for next season.
The team announced the move before Tuesday night's deadline.
Young, who had been eligible for arbitration, batted .229 with 30 stolen bases in 100 games this year, when his salary was $1.85 million.
He led the National League with 46 steals in 2013 and opened this season as New York's primary leadoff hitter but managed only a .299 on-base percentage and lost playing time in a crowded outfield. The switch-hitter finished with a homer and 17 RBIs in 316 plate appearances, scoring 48 runs.
The 29-year-old Young became expendable when the Mets signed free-agent outfielder Michael Cuddyer to a $21 million, two-year contract last month.
New York tendered contracts to its six other players who are eligible for arbitration: first baseman Lucas Duda, second baseman Daniel Murphy, shortstop Ruben Tejada and pitchers Dillon Gee, Jenrry Mejia and Bobby Parnell.
Im saying if everyone stays healthy(a big if), I think we could challenge for a top lineup in the NL. Offense is seriously down in the NL across the board. Which players seem out of whack to you? Im hoping this is friendly and Im not opening this up to some flame war.
in the NL outside of maybe the Dodgers that is slated to have a solid player at every position like we are and even they had guys like A.J Ellis playing in a spot. . Almost all teams have holes, something many aren't fully grasping here.
"Parnell
DanMetroMan : 5:26 pm : link : reply
will "stay in St. Lucie" when the Mets break camp, and join the team in May or June barring setbacks."
You make it sound like I definitely said he wouldn't be back until June. Can you please supply some data or names that prove your assertion that "12 months" is becoming the norm? It's quite the opposite. The industry is realizing too many guys are rushing back and 14-18 months is now the "accepted" time table.
"Parnell
DanMetroMan : 5:26 pm : link : reply
will "stay in St. Lucie" when the Mets break camp, and join the team in May or June barring setbacks."
You make it sound like I definitely said he wouldn't be back until June. Can you please supply some data or names that prove your assertion that "12 months" is becoming the norm? It's quite the opposite. The industry is realizing too many guys are rushing back and 14-18 months is now the "accepted" time table.
Yeah ok Dan. As ridiculous as me saying Ill take your bet if you want to say May/June which you clearly said, is you saying I said he'll 100 percent be ready opening day. I never said anything even remotely like that. You've made a habit of attacking me off misinterpreted shit all day. Just drop it.
again, you insisted Harvey would be back in August of this past year so that shows how realistic you are with TJ.
Haha. WHAT?? Never. I said if he didn't wait 2 months to have surgery he might have made it back last year. Clearly not after he sat around and waited forever.
"Considering recovery times, we can begin by observing that overall times have improved since the earlier years of the surgery. Notice that the average return times for years up to 2005 were in the 17-18 month range. Since then, players have typically returned within 15-16 months of the surgery date. Looking at the column showing recovery times for players who underwent surgery in the second quarter, where a return in the following calendar year could be reasonably expected, there is a fairly dramatic drop from close to 19 months in the early years down to 15-16 months more recently."
just make outrageous statements that aren't based in reality. Nobody is shitting on the Mets here but EVERYTHING is best case scenario. Sandy himself said they aren't projecting Parnell for opening day yet you use the "but that's just an educated guess" part of it as if Sandy didn't say it. Educated guess either implies 1. They know Parnell's current state OR 2. Your assertion that 12 months is likely is false does it not? You call the Mets pen "elite" yet back it up with zero numbers. FIP and WAR both 100% disagree, you cite Lannan, Farnsworth and Valverde's 3% of the bullpen innings as the reason etc etc. I may be viewed as "negative" but at least I'm fair. You are over the top like a little kid would be. That's fine, I can't tell someone how to be a fan., but that doesn't add much to a conversation. I don't come to BBI to read that Eli is the greatest QB in the history of the NFL.
Disc in his neck which likely lead to tj. I was unaware of tj now taking more than 12 months, I will note that my friends who have performed this surgery generally have told me they tell patients to avoid high torc pitches (ie curves) until about a year. Less concern with fastballs after ten months.
Harvey had TJ in October of 2013, why wouldn't he be cleared to throw his slider over 13 months later if 12 months is so standard? Why is Parnell being ready opening day in question? He's not going to throw any minor league innings? He's being fast tracked when in fact unlike Harvey he's not even throwing off the mound at the same stage Harvey was?
RE: Frankly I am more concerned about the herniated Â
Disc in his neck which likely lead to tj. I was unaware of tj now taking more than 12 months, I will note that my friends who have performed this surgery generally have told me they tell patients to avoid high torc pitches (ie curves) until about a year. Less concern with fastballs after ten months.
The Mets were so concerned with his neck stuff there were rumors if the surgery wasn't 100% successful Parnell would never pitch again. It was no minor deal.
who has a negative outlook on everything. Im guessing its bleeded into your personal life. You came here to cry about the Wilpons and the doom and gloom of the franchise for years and everyone took your shit because you were the quickest copy and paster in the west. You are wrong about just about everything and you speak in absolutes like a complete dickhead. 100 percent TDA will not come back in a trade for Dickey anyone? I don't think the Mets bullpen is elite, I think the bullpen WILL be elite. I didn't just point to Lannan, Rice, Farnsworth, and Valverde. I said Black and Familia struggled early on. They were different players at years end. We can go on and on. Im saying Eli Manning is the best QB in the history of time? lol. Get the fuck out of here.
Almost all of those predictions are simply best case scenarios Â
Murphy - match his best year (2x his steamer proj)
Duda - improving upon a huge year because he's playing more than 153 games this year (2x his steamer proj)
Granderson, Wright, and Cuddyer are fair predictions, the concern is obviously health with all 3.
Flores is impossible to predict and still not likely to play SS every day for the season (even if he starts there).
TdA & Lagares are optimistic but fair in the lens of the rest, though they bring the tally to 5 career best seasons expected.
that many players have made it back in a year. Harvey was throwing in August and thought he was going to be back but SANDY put the kibosh on it because we were out of it as he should be. If anything, Harvey is proof you can come back that soon.
I don't even give a fuck about this. Im tired of arguing about things I never meant to argue in the first place. What is your point in all of this again? That it is 100 percent impossible for Parnell to make it back in a year, right? Well, going off a statistics you sound like the moron even if it is unlikely.
who has a negative outlook on everything. Im guessing its bleeded into your personal life. You came here to cry about the Wilpons and the doom and gloom of the franchise for years and everyone took your shit because you were the quickest copy and paster in the west. You are wrong about just about everything and you speak in absolutes like a complete dickhead. 100 percent TDA will not come back in a trade for Dickey anyone? I don't think the Mets bullpen is elite, I think the bullpen WILL be elite. I didn't just point to Lannan, Rice, Farnsworth, and Valverde. I said Black and Familia struggled early on. They were different players at years end. We can go on and on. Im saying Eli Manning is the best QB in the history of time? lol. Get the fuck out of here.
Now now, personal attacks (first try didn't work so you went for times 2? nice). Vic Black has a good arm, he was also worth 0.0 WAR last year. If you want to argue the Mets bullpen could/should be much better this year go for it but your assertion that the mets have all of these guys who had big seasons and are already proven good relievers is 100% false. You totally ignored my question earlier "based on what stats were the Mets relievers the 3rd best in baseball"? FIP and fWAR say otherwise
ignored your false statements on what velocity the Mets relievers "sit" because it really doesn't make a difference how hard they throw to be effective but as usual... false statements based on nothing. "I saw Familia throw 98!!"
RE: Almost all of those predictions are simply best case scenarios Â
Murphy - match his best year (2x his steamer proj)
Duda - improving upon a huge year because he's playing more than 153 games this year (2x his steamer proj)
Granderson, Wright, and Cuddyer are fair predictions, the concern is obviously health with all 3.
Flores is impossible to predict and still not likely to play SS every day for the season (even if he starts there).
TdA & Lagares are optimistic but fair in the lens of the rest, though they bring the tally to 5 career best seasons expected.
Murphy is absolutely realistic. He has basically been the exact same player the last two years. Im not projecting anything outside of the norm of that. Steamer is never going to like a player like Duda because they haven't watched him like we have. They see that he's been in the league for a while and view this past season as an outlier although we all know that isn't the story with him. Im only predicting slight improvement. Of course Im going to predict career years when half the players in our lineup are only coming off their first season. lol.
ignored your false statements on what velocity the Mets relievers "sit" because it really doesn't make a difference how hard they throw to be effective but as usual... false statements based on nothing. "I saw Familia throw 98!!"
That was tongue in cheek and yeah I saw Familia throwing triple digits in Orlando pitch after in spring training last year. Maybe the gun was off? Im pretty sure he hit 100 in the season too but I could give a rats ass if you believe what I saw or not.
- Sandy says unlikely Parnell is ready opening day (negative would be Sandy saying he will be or 50/50 and me choosing the former)
- You said the pen was 3rd in the NL, didn't supply any stat you were quoting and refused my inquiry as to which.
- Despite your denials you claimed Lannan, Rice, Farnsworth and Valverde were the reasons.
-Asserted Miller would simply "be in the mix" in the Mets pen ie the guys we have are as good
-Asserted the Mets pen is "elite"
Please point out where I was unfairly negative on this thread. Thank you in advance.
Nobody has to look for clues in this thread to know your a negative human being. lol Everything you say slants that way. You get fired up and post articles the moment anything breaks about the Wilpon's finances or if a player get's injured. Never here anything from you regarding anything good out of the Mets. You are sarcastic and look at the worst case scenarios in everything. The Mets will be contenders in 2016-2017 anyone? And honestly I don't know why. I think its simply to go against everything I post. I used to be on NYFS and still read there occasionally. Your not like that over there. I can't figure it out.
gun on TV with you watching tells you the velocity of pitchers "on average" vs. pitchFX/fangraphs which charts them? Sure makes sense to me.
I didn't realize pitchFX charts spring training games? Do they?
Wow. You said
" Parnell, Familia, and Parnell can all hit triple digits and generally sit in the upper 90s. Coming in after those guys, a lefty with a sweeping slider at 87 mph is going to have guys so far out in front."
What the hell does you seeing them throw that (supposedly) in ST (when guys generally don't even throw as hard) have to do withg your claims they all "sit" upper 90's? wowzas.
- Sandy says unlikely Parnell is ready opening day (negative would be Sandy saying he will be or 50/50 and me choosing the former)
- You said the pen was 3rd in the NL, didn't supply any stat you were quoting and refused my inquiry as to which.
- Despite your denials you claimed Lannan, Rice, Farnsworth and Valverde were the reasons.
-Asserted Miller would simply "be in the mix" in the Mets pen ie the guys we have are as good
-Asserted the Mets pen is "elite"
Please point out where I was unfairly negative on this thread. Thank you in advance.
Nobody has to look for clues in this thread to know your a negative human being. lol Everything you say slants that way. You get fired up and post articles the moment anything breaks about the Wilpon's finances or if a player get's injured. Never here anything from you regarding anything good out of the Mets. You are sarcastic and look at the worst case scenarios in everything. The Mets will be contenders in 2016-2017 anyone? And honestly I don't know why. I think its simply to go against everything I post. I used to be on NYFS and still read there occasionally. Your not like that over there. I can't figure it out.
Wait, I fully admit I said the Mets would not be contenders until 2016-2017 before last year, and? The Mets are so good on paper they can't possibly end up with 81-83 wins 6 games out of the WC? In fact, I'd argue 2016-2017 is WAY more likely with Harvey year 2 from TJ, Nimmo likely his first full season etc.
Was curious what your thoughts were and where your optomism was coming from. Not looking to agree or disagree with your guesses, but I appreciate you explaining your rationale on each as well. Now if you and Dan would kiss and make up, and we get back talking baseball ;)
gun on TV with you watching tells you the velocity of pitchers "on average" vs. pitchFX/fangraphs which charts them? Sure makes sense to me.
I didn't realize pitchFX charts spring training games? Do they?
Wow. You said
" Parnell, Familia, and Parnell can all hit triple digits and generally sit in the upper 90s. Coming in after those guys, a lefty with a sweeping slider at 87 mph is going to have guys so far out in front."
What the hell does you seeing them throw that (supposedly) in ST (when guys generally don't even throw as hard) have to do withg your claims they all "sit" upper 90's? wowzas.
Ummmm. Wrong poster moron. Lol. That wasn't even me. haha.
you are answering his question, please tell me which stat says the Mets bullpen was 3rd in the NL. Thank you.
OMG. I already did in this thread. I apologized and said I meant 4th, not 3rd, because I was looking at Bullpen ERA(admittedly a weak stat) Guess your ADD missed that too. Man you are just sloppy today. Not your best at all. Im disappointed Dan. I hold you to a higher standard. lol
"We won't be a perennial WS contender until Harvey, deGrom, Wheeler are all hitting their primes in a few years and Syndergaard, Matz, ect have all broken in."
Yet 5 minutes ago you mocked me for saying (before the 2014 season) they wouldn't be contenders until 2016-2017, which is one season from now... God i'm negative.
Was curious what your thoughts were and where your optomism was coming from. Not looking to agree or disagree with your guesses, but I appreciate you explaining your rationale on each as well. Now if you and Dan would kiss and make up, and we get back talking baseball ;)
No problem. Obviously no team is going to stay healthy all year but I don't think Im far off any projections individually assuming health.
"We won't be a perennial WS contender until Harvey, deGrom, Wheeler are all hitting their primes in a few years and Syndergaard, Matz, ect have all broken in."
Yet 5 minutes ago you mocked me for saying (before the 2014 season) they wouldn't be contenders until 2016-2017, which is one season from now... God i'm negative.
I think perennial WS contenders hold a different meaning than playoff contenders but thats just me. Im willing to drop this if you are Dan? No idea why you've been so crazy today.
Mets should contend for the playoffs this year. If they don't then honestly it's a disaster. 88 wins on average has been WC2 the last 5 seasons, figure "contending" is what? 4 games out? So if the Mets can't win 83-84 games then I would term this year to be a disaster and would want (though wouldn't expect) everyone fired.
players but similar values, Markakis just got 45, gotta figure that's about what Murphy gets with a solid 2015. I'd be pretty stunned if he's a Met in 2016.
and honestly most of my attack stemmed from shit with you from years ago. I haven't had any issues with you lately at all. Been in agreement with just about everything you've posted lately. Every once in a while you'll fly off the rails though and don't even read half of the shit being said. All good. Ill consider it a relapse. No harm no foul. Not even remotely mad... lol
to remotely hide my enthusiasm for this upcoming season. We all suffered through some rough years. When I pointed to optimism in the past it was basically all leading up to this moment. The organization as a whole from top to bottom is the best I ever remember it being since I was a kid in the 80s. I don't even think we've scratched the surface yet and will have a sustainable winner for years to come. Something we have never had. So Im excited. Sue me. Ill admit it.
Didn't like the Heyward trade but the Braves on paper don't look much worse than last year
-Blue Jays perennial cockteases but Saunders, Martin, Travis, Donaldson, Estrada... nice off-season right there, really could use a Lester or Samardizja though
- Orioles took a step back losing both Cruz and Markakis.
don't look like a team that will be challenging for the cup this year. The Knicks might be one of the worst teams in the NBA. We all know how bad the Giants have been. The Mets are all I got! lol
is trying to temper enthusiasm? I'm excited too but you throw out some statements that aren't based in reality (and I'm not trying to inflame this again). Look, do whatever you want, I'm not looking to ruin your fun but if it's a message board and we are discussing things don't you think there should be some basis for statements beyond "I saw him do this" or "He's the best" with nothing backing it up?
"Parnell
DanMetroMan : 5:26 pm : link : reply
will "stay in St. Lucie" when the Mets break camp, and join the team in May or June barring setbacks."
You make it sound like I definitely said he wouldn't be back until June. Can you please supply some data or names that prove your assertion that "12 months" is becoming the norm? It's quite the opposite. The industry is realizing too many guys are rushing back and 14-18 months is now the "accepted" time table.
"Parnell
DanMetroMan : 5:26 pm : link : reply
will "stay in St. Lucie" when the Mets break camp, and join the team in May or June barring setbacks."
You make it sound like I definitely said he wouldn't be back until June. Can you please supply some data or names that prove your assertion that "12 months" is becoming the norm? It's quite the opposite. The industry is realizing too many guys are rushing back and 14-18 months is now the "accepted" time table.
Yeah ok Dan. As ridiculous as me saying Ill take your bet if you want to say May/June which you clearly said, is you saying I said he'll 100 percent be ready opening day. I never said anything even remotely like that. You've made a habit of attacking me off misinterpreted shit all day. Just drop it.
Haha. WHAT?? Never. I said if he didn't wait 2 months to have surgery he might have made it back last year. Clearly not after he sat around and waited forever.
ok. Thanks for that. Awesome insight. Now I can go to sleep.
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Please give me the proof that recent history supports this fact? I just showed you a study from last month which states 15-16 months is now the norm.
The Mets were so concerned with his neck stuff there were rumors if the surgery wasn't 100% successful Parnell would never pitch again. It was no minor deal.
Duda - improving upon a huge year because he's playing more than 153 games this year (2x his steamer proj)
Granderson, Wright, and Cuddyer are fair predictions, the concern is obviously health with all 3.
Flores is impossible to predict and still not likely to play SS every day for the season (even if he starts there).
TdA & Lagares are optimistic but fair in the lens of the rest, though they bring the tally to 5 career best seasons expected.
I don't even give a fuck about this. Im tired of arguing about things I never meant to argue in the first place. What is your point in all of this again? That it is 100 percent impossible for Parnell to make it back in a year, right? Well, going off a statistics you sound like the moron even if it is unlikely.
Now now, personal attacks (first try didn't work so you went for times 2? nice). Vic Black has a good arm, he was also worth 0.0 WAR last year. If you want to argue the Mets bullpen could/should be much better this year go for it but your assertion that the mets have all of these guys who had big seasons and are already proven good relievers is 100% false. You totally ignored my question earlier "based on what stats were the Mets relievers the 3rd best in baseball"? FIP and fWAR say otherwise
Duda - improving upon a huge year because he's playing more than 153 games this year (2x his steamer proj)
Granderson, Wright, and Cuddyer are fair predictions, the concern is obviously health with all 3.
Flores is impossible to predict and still not likely to play SS every day for the season (even if he starts there).
TdA & Lagares are optimistic but fair in the lens of the rest, though they bring the tally to 5 career best seasons expected.
Murphy is absolutely realistic. He has basically been the exact same player the last two years. Im not projecting anything outside of the norm of that. Steamer is never going to like a player like Duda because they haven't watched him like we have. They see that he's been in the league for a while and view this past season as an outlier although we all know that isn't the story with him. Im only predicting slight improvement. Of course Im going to predict career years when half the players in our lineup are only coming off their first season. lol.
That was tongue in cheek and yeah I saw Familia throwing triple digits in Orlando pitch after in spring training last year. Maybe the gun was off? Im pretty sure he hit 100 in the season too but I could give a rats ass if you believe what I saw or not.
Huh? I think you've lost it Dan. lol
- Sandy says unlikely Parnell is ready opening day (negative would be Sandy saying he will be or 50/50 and me choosing the former)
- You said the pen was 3rd in the NL, didn't supply any stat you were quoting and refused my inquiry as to which.
- Despite your denials you claimed Lannan, Rice, Farnsworth and Valverde were the reasons.
-Asserted Miller would simply "be in the mix" in the Mets pen ie the guys we have are as good
-Asserted the Mets pen is "elite"
Please point out where I was unfairly negative on this thread. Thank you in advance.
I didn't realize pitchFX charts spring training games? Do they?
- Sandy says unlikely Parnell is ready opening day (negative would be Sandy saying he will be or 50/50 and me choosing the former)
- You said the pen was 3rd in the NL, didn't supply any stat you were quoting and refused my inquiry as to which.
- Despite your denials you claimed Lannan, Rice, Farnsworth and Valverde were the reasons.
-Asserted Miller would simply "be in the mix" in the Mets pen ie the guys we have are as good
-Asserted the Mets pen is "elite"
Please point out where I was unfairly negative on this thread. Thank you in advance.
Nobody has to look for clues in this thread to know your a negative human being. lol Everything you say slants that way. You get fired up and post articles the moment anything breaks about the Wilpon's finances or if a player get's injured. Never here anything from you regarding anything good out of the Mets. You are sarcastic and look at the worst case scenarios in everything. The Mets will be contenders in 2016-2017 anyone? And honestly I don't know why. I think its simply to go against everything I post. I used to be on NYFS and still read there occasionally. Your not like that over there. I can't figure it out.
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gun on TV with you watching tells you the velocity of pitchers "on average" vs. pitchFX/fangraphs which charts them? Sure makes sense to me.
I didn't realize pitchFX charts spring training games? Do they?
Wow. You said
" Parnell, Familia, and Parnell can all hit triple digits and generally sit in the upper 90s. Coming in after those guys, a lefty with a sweeping slider at 87 mph is going to have guys so far out in front."
What the hell does you seeing them throw that (supposedly) in ST (when guys generally don't even throw as hard) have to do withg your claims they all "sit" upper 90's? wowzas.
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point out where I have been "negative".
- Sandy says unlikely Parnell is ready opening day (negative would be Sandy saying he will be or 50/50 and me choosing the former)
- You said the pen was 3rd in the NL, didn't supply any stat you were quoting and refused my inquiry as to which.
- Despite your denials you claimed Lannan, Rice, Farnsworth and Valverde were the reasons.
-Asserted Miller would simply "be in the mix" in the Mets pen ie the guys we have are as good
-Asserted the Mets pen is "elite"
Please point out where I was unfairly negative on this thread. Thank you in advance.
Nobody has to look for clues in this thread to know your a negative human being. lol Everything you say slants that way. You get fired up and post articles the moment anything breaks about the Wilpon's finances or if a player get's injured. Never here anything from you regarding anything good out of the Mets. You are sarcastic and look at the worst case scenarios in everything. The Mets will be contenders in 2016-2017 anyone? And honestly I don't know why. I think its simply to go against everything I post. I used to be on NYFS and still read there occasionally. Your not like that over there. I can't figure it out.
Wait, I fully admit I said the Mets would not be contenders until 2016-2017 before last year, and? The Mets are so good on paper they can't possibly end up with 81-83 wins 6 games out of the WC? In fact, I'd argue 2016-2017 is WAY more likely with Harvey year 2 from TJ, Nimmo likely his first full season etc.
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In comment 12016962 DanMetroMan said:
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gun on TV with you watching tells you the velocity of pitchers "on average" vs. pitchFX/fangraphs which charts them? Sure makes sense to me.
I didn't realize pitchFX charts spring training games? Do they?
Wow. You said
" Parnell, Familia, and Parnell can all hit triple digits and generally sit in the upper 90s. Coming in after those guys, a lefty with a sweeping slider at 87 mph is going to have guys so far out in front."
What the hell does you seeing them throw that (supposedly) in ST (when guys generally don't even throw as hard) have to do withg your claims they all "sit" upper 90's? wowzas.
Ummmm. Wrong poster moron. Lol. That wasn't even me. haha.
OMG. I already did in this thread. I apologized and said I meant 4th, not 3rd, because I was looking at Bullpen ERA(admittedly a weak stat) Guess your ADD missed that too. Man you are just sloppy today. Not your best at all. Im disappointed Dan. I hold you to a higher standard. lol
I know. Im sorry. lol
"We won't be a perennial WS contender until Harvey, deGrom, Wheeler are all hitting their primes in a few years and Syndergaard, Matz, ect have all broken in."
Yet 5 minutes ago you mocked me for saying (before the 2014 season) they wouldn't be contenders until 2016-2017, which is one season from now... God i'm negative.
No problem. Obviously no team is going to stay healthy all year but I don't think Im far off any projections individually assuming health.
"We won't be a perennial WS contender until Harvey, deGrom, Wheeler are all hitting their primes in a few years and Syndergaard, Matz, ect have all broken in."
Yet 5 minutes ago you mocked me for saying (before the 2014 season) they wouldn't be contenders until 2016-2017, which is one season from now... God i'm negative.
I think perennial WS contenders hold a different meaning than playoff contenders but thats just me. Im willing to drop this if you are Dan? No idea why you've been so crazy today.
-Blue Jays perennial cockteases but Saunders, Martin, Travis, Donaldson, Estrada... nice off-season right there, really could use a Lester or Samardizja though
- Orioles took a step back losing both Cruz and Markakis.
Added Miller, Markakis, Jim Johnson
Curious to see what they get for Gattis and/or Upton.