Maybe I am reading too much into this, but near the end of Coach Coughlin's press conference this morning, one of the reporters (sounded like Bob Glauber of Newsday) asked him about Moore.
Here was the Q and A:
Glauber: “As far as DaMontre Moore is concerned…I’m assuming he will get more time now with Kiwi (Mathias Kiwanuka) down. Is he physically big enough for the position that he has been asked to play?”
Coughlin: “Coming out of camp, he (Moore) had gotten his weight up. He dips a little bit and then comes back up. He’s got long arms. You know, he’s got long arms. This will be a nice opportunity for him.” |
I found it odd that Tom would not give a "Yes" to that question. His reluctance gave me pause.
It appeared on the surface with the answer he gave that even he is not totally sure and will be able to use these games here for further evaluation.
But thinking about it, did the Giants question each other in the board room before drafting him that he may not be big enough for the position on this particular team at the time of selection last April? And if that is so, what is the backup plan for him if the games prove that he is not big enough and is easily moved by bigger lineman.
Could that be part of the reason he has not seen the field much? The possible belief among the staff that not only they don't "trust" him, but they feel that he is simply too small to play in the role of defense that they run.
Again, maybe I read too much into what Tom said today. But the lack of confidence in his answer left me wondering.
It was a dumb question.
Agree.
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Is he physically big enough for the position that he has been asked to play?”
It was a dumb question.
Giants beat reporters specialize in those.
Completely agree with you.. I don't know who looked at JPP and said he is the weak side DE? He is awesome against the run and has the size and strength to be a LDE.. I think this stems from Tuck being the LDE and since there was no one else on the team that was a good enough RDE.. it was simply his role but he doesn't have the skills to be a RDE..
1) he is insanely loyal to the incumbent starters, to the point where it is a detriment ot the tean
2) he is covering up for how shitty some of the backsups really are
Really, what other explanations are there for letting Ayers, Moore rot on the bench when Kuhn has basically showed nothing since coming back from his injury and Kiwi has basically 2 plays his entire career?
Yes, we were unable to utilize Beckham, even though he set records for rookie WR's in a 5 game span.
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in their best position...case in point, Richburg vs Walton. Scwartz on the wrong side of center. Kiwi as LB. Drafting Sintim to a 4-3 defense. Unable to utilize Beckum.
Yes, we were unable to utilize Beckham, even though he set records for rookie WR's in a 5 game span.
This is where you're wrong. Beckham's success is in spite of the coaching staff and the players around him. His skills are that transcendent along with Eli's fantastic deep ball accuracy.
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in their best position...case in point, Richburg vs Walton. Scwartz on the wrong side of center. Kiwi as LB. Drafting Sintim to a 4-3 defense. Unable to utilize Beckum.
Yes, we were unable to utilize Beckham, even though he set records for rookie WR's in a 5 game span.
Wrong beckum/beckham. Reading comprehension is the key here.
No one knew Jernigan could play until, they had no choice but to play him
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in their best position...case in point, Richburg vs Walton. Scwartz on the wrong side of center. Kiwi as LB. Drafting Sintim to a 4-3 defense. Unable to utilize Beckum.
Yes, we were unable to utilize Beckham, even though he set records for rookie WR's in a 5 game span.
Travis Beckham.
My point exactly re: Beckum. He might've been one helluva player if he didn't have the misfortune of being drafted by the Giants. Sintim, too. Same goes for Eli.
He was well on his way to a HOF career before Coughlin got to him!
You're right. No talented WR's ever put up good numbers in Gilbride's offense. (Eye roll)
C'mon, all the evidence is there. Beckum. Sinorice Moss. Ramses Barden.
We probably left more trophies on the table than at a little league awards dinner.
It's forking dumb to not have moved JPP to LDE this year & Moore to RDE. Just forking dumb.
I'll bet Fewell & Coughlin could come up with some nonsense reason for it though...
The Giants drafted him and decided to try to make him a inline blocking TE as well and it failed. Never used his talents at all. He was a guy who could run and catch
Almost every team now has someone like him on their team to attack the middle
Clearly wasted talent. I mean look at how other teams have managed to get him to perform.
Prefer my Corey Webster STFU strategy. They should give Moore 60 snaps Sunday and let the grounds screw scrape him up after the game.
We'll definitely need to get UFA's for the DL!
We'll also need to replace Williams at LB cause my gut tells me he won't be re-signed.
Last, as for Coughlin's comments, I wouldn't read into it just yet.
as for OBJ, I'm not confident that Gilbride could maximize his skill set. I'm sure we could hit OBJ on more deep passes (assuming decent O-line protection), but we'd see less short slants and other YAC producing routes.
Osi stunk versus the run, Strahan was a rarity in how well he played the run at 255 late in his career, but he was also a HOF talent.
Evidence so far is Moore doesn't hold up consistently versus the run, and he's good for a few mental errors in every game. The factors reduce a coaches' confidence, and then they sit the player.
It isn't going to change, this is how coaches think and they use it to try and teach and motivate the player. If you've every played the game, it would make sense.
Now is a great time to get him reps because game results don't matter.
Kiwanuka didn't hold up well against the run or the pass this year.
There's no reason why Kiwanuka should have had the lion's share of the snaps in a season that was lost weeks ago.
Kiwanuka didn't hold up well against the run or the pass this year.
There's no reason why Kiwanuka should have had the lion's share of the snaps in a season that was lost weeks ago.
I don't disagree, and it's an example where the coaches' confidence is misplaced. It would appears Kiwanuka was the lesser of two evils or overinflated loyalty. Moore still needs to step it up and earn the PT.
This came up in one of the other threads.
We wanted to use Beckum as an example of the coach/front office disconnect. So I went back into the BBI archives to see what Reese said at the time he was drafted.
Now this went against everything that the Coughlin/Gilbride offense was about. They never utilized and "H-Back" before or after in any way whatsoever.
Despite his injuries, he rarely saw the field. And when he did, it wasn't in the role the GM envisioned. Clearly, something was off. The player was never a fit for the offense to start with, yet was selected anyway.
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They've been showing a ton of respect to Kiwanuka, now it appears he'll be sitting and it's not necessarily only a knee.
perry, otoh, wants to build a wall at the LOS and hold the point. penetration is frowned upon, scored against you and makes everybody else look bad as it creates gaps at the LOS
it is my opinion that in the right scheme moore is a Pro Bowl-quality player. and yes, I hate this scheme
Honestly I'm not sure a DC in recent history has done less with pretty solid talent up until the last year and a half.
It was such a radical shift in thinking from Spagnuolo's concept. You go from a guy that builds a defense from the front to back based on pressure, to a guy who builds from back to front who just wants his D-line and LBs to hold the line.
Fewell had been on-staff with TC before, iirc, TC must have been putting a lot of weight on that prior relationship. TC is loyal to a fault, but I personally regard it well.
It's clear by now Fewell's consistently outmatched, making deployment mistakes in games, amplified by the recent ones with Ayers and Kennard sitting in the 4th after playing very strong games. And, I wonder if the personnel would perform with more energy and consistency if the scheme were more attacking in concept.
Kennard looks like he belongs rushing from the edge on the line, for example. Would JPP light it up again if the DC schemed around him, and created ways to free him up? Would Moore respond too? That's three pass rushers who have flashed to build around.
And I really, truly don't want to make this a Spaguolo thing. He was NOT perfect by any means, and he had high-level talent, but there is definitely something to be said for players buying into and enjoying playing in a scheme.
Tim Lewis ran Pittsburgh's defense From '00-'03. At one point Joey Porter was so frustrated with the read and react nature of the scheme they got into a shouting match in which he screamed "take our chains off!" Lewis wasn't long for that job after that point. Unfortunately, he came to the Giants immediately after.
Agree 100%