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gmen1234 : 12/4/2014 6:44 pm
Any news if he will be losing snaps due to his fumbling?
Don't count on it.The JPP of TE's doesn't appear  
Blue21 : 12/4/2014 6:45 pm : link
to be the JPP of TE's.
actually, the JPP of Tight Ends  
dancing blue bear : 12/4/2014 6:57 pm : link
does appear to be the JPP of Tight Ends
Donnell cannot block and has fumbled 4 times, including 2 key  
Bobby Epps : 12/4/2014 7:00 pm : link
fumbles.

Great job R&R in the TEs you've put on the roster.
Donnell is still a project  
81_Great_Dane : 12/4/2014 7:03 pm : link
and this year showed his potential as well as his limitations. Hopefully next year we'll get more upside and they'll fix the fumbling, improve the blocking.

Donnell has limitations. Almost all players do. Opposing coaches try to expose them.
Giants should draft a TE  
Overseer : 12/4/2014 7:04 pm : link
Decent class this year so rnds 2-4 could present some compelling value.

Donnell is not very good. The fact that he's easily the 2nd best receiving option for Eli presently is not encouraging. I think he is likely to improve further, but it'd be nice if he were the 2nd option rather than the first.
So there's no reason to think that he won't be getting regular  
gmen1234 : 12/4/2014 7:11 pm : link
playing time?
Need a TE who can flat out block  
kepler20 : 12/4/2014 7:52 pm : link
Celek is a straight in line blocking TE and chip rarely takes him off the field. We need a guy who can block, period.
I like Donnell  
Hammer : 12/4/2014 7:58 pm : link
and think he can be a good player.

Lets give him some time to mature.

TC is a hypocrite  
SHO'NUFF : 12/4/2014 8:12 pm : link
and should bench Donnell.
In a season full of shit  
WahooGiant : 12/4/2014 8:19 pm : link
He's been a semi-bright spot and one of the younger guys to flash at least somewhat. Big mistakes, yes, but i think overall has done more good than bad. Who are they going to bench him for? Robinson? Aye caramba. Keep playing him and Fells - they at least look like they belong on the field and may help us beyond this crap ass year.
at this point  
bluepepper : 12/4/2014 8:20 pm : link
nothing to be gained. The guy has real ability as a pass catcher. More snaps and more touches indicated not less.
Remember when Tiki was a fumbling machine ?  
Manny in CA : 12/4/2014 8:31 pm : link
Then Bradshaw ….

Get my drift ?

I think Donnell is going to be an exceptional player.
Guess  
Doomster : 12/4/2014 9:12 pm : link
who is a free agent at the end of the season?
RE: Guess  
Bleedin Blue : 12/4/2014 9:21 pm : link
In comment 12018418 Doomster said:
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who is a free agent at the end of the season?


Doomster you peaked my interest. I'll take a stab and guess Celek??
Donnell only fumbles when he's diving...  
BamaBlue : 12/4/2014 9:32 pm : link
Next year the Giants should hire Greg Louganis as a consultant and Donnell will be an all-pro (and probably a sharper dresser).
Donnell should be targeted only in the end zone and for first-down  
CT Charlie : 12/4/2014 9:48 pm : link
yardage routes. As soon as he catches the ball, he should go down the way our Steve Smith used to do. People used to give SS crap, but he was Eli's security blanket and a move-the-chains machine.
Donnell sucks...  
Dunedin81 : 12/4/2014 10:11 pm : link
to state the blatantly obvious. He had one great game, which is why some people here feel otherwise. Outside of the Washington game he has more fumbles than touchdowns. His yards per is actually lower than Brandon "Just shy of the first down marker" Myers who, incidentally, managed to not fumble the ball last year. He can't block despite his size, he is not a load to tackle despite his size, he doesn't outrun everyone. If we had better receivers he wouldn't have 50+ receptions.
Donnell need to learn  
spike : 12/4/2014 10:21 pm : link
To get down and be tackled.
There was one shot of Donnell being held by a DB  
SHO'NUFF : 12/5/2014 12:37 am : link
and rightfully so, the DB got called for the penalty, but most alarming was Donnell's unwillingness to fight threw the hold...no effort to slap away the hands to beat the jam or do a swim move or anything.
through  
SHO'NUFF : 12/5/2014 12:38 am : link
the hold
RE: Donnell sucks...  
David in LA : 12/5/2014 12:56 am : link
In comment 12018495 Dunedin81 said:
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to state the blatantly obvious. He had one great game, which is why some people here feel otherwise. Outside of the Washington game he has more fumbles than touchdowns. His yards per is actually lower than Brandon "Just shy of the first down marker" Myers who, incidentally, managed to not fumble the ball last year. He can't block despite his size, he is not a load to tackle despite his size, he doesn't outrun everyone. If we had better receivers he wouldn't have 50+ receptions.


Donnell does not suck. He had a very strong first 4 weeks. I'm not sure what yards per has to do with this, since the offense is entirely different. KG's scheme was much more downfield oriented, and that's a fact. Donnell hasn't been a consistent performer since the Redskins game, but he still has flashed from time to time after. He is struggling with adjusting to extra attention. I'd argue with better WR's he would be a much more consistent performer.
RE: Donnell sucks...  
BigBlueinChicago : 12/5/2014 1:05 am : link
In comment 12018495 Dunedin81 said:
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to state the blatantly obvious. He had one great game, which is why some people here feel otherwise. Outside of the Washington game he has more fumbles than touchdowns. His yards per is actually lower than Brandon "Just shy of the first down marker" Myers who, incidentally, managed to not fumble the ball last year. He can't block despite his size, he is not a load to tackle despite his size, he doesn't outrun everyone. If we had better receivers he wouldn't have 50+ receptions.


+1

Donnell is a middling player on a good team.

A player who fumbles the ball at his rate and cannot block cannot be a key player for you.

Outside of DeMarco Murray, NO ONE the NFL has lost more fumbles than him.

Murray has touched the ball 379 times.
Donnell has touched the ball 51 times.

That is inexcusable. Donnell has earned a spot on the bench based on this.

He provides nothing in the run game because he can't block at all.

Nice player. Nothing more.
He's young  
Arcanum : 12/5/2014 2:07 am : link
And still learning. He will be a lot better next year
they take his legs out  
blueberry : 12/5/2014 2:10 am : link
because he's so tall - kid is going to break his neck one of these games. TC pointed it out in the post game last week how when he is upended - instinct is to brace with your arms - and then there goes the ball. Watching him being flipped on his head so many times this year - I don't think he'll stay healthy.
Donnell  
Dragon : 12/5/2014 3:50 am : link
Is still learning and he does not have a true vet to mentor him about the position. In fact the entire receiving core has this problem. He is long and very lean most of his fumbles have come when they attack his lower legs while he is airborne. He also needs to learn how to run after the catch he is headed for the ground once he catches the ball mostly. This is also a part of the learning factor in his game, lots to still learn but time on the field is the answer in his case.

Now if we could only get Mr. Robinson on the field he has the most tools to work with but for some reason can't get any playing time. I could live with the fact he can't play but he has yet to see the field to find out if this is true or not.
RE: they take his legs out  
Big_Score : 12/5/2014 6:50 am : link
In comment 12018641 blueberry said:
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because he's so tall - kid is going to break his neck one of these games. TC pointed it out in the post game last week how when he is upended - instinct is to brace with your arms - and then there goes the ball. Watching him being flipped on his head so many times this year - I don't think he'll stay healthy.

And that's exactly the problem. Donnell goes airborne on almost every catch even when it's not necessary. A good TE coach would teach him to catch the ball with both feet on the ground and run. The guy has really good hands. Get some YAC. Pope, anyone?

Donnell has the goods. He's a project that can pay nice dividends with the right training and occasional kick in the ass. With his size blocking shouldn't even be an issue. I'll give the raw trainee a pass on this one for a year and let the coaches do what they are supposed to do here. A year from now if we still have the unnecessary acrobatic jumps, fumbles and blocking problems, yeah, cut bait.
Stupid Shockey used to  
mrvax : 12/5/2014 7:39 am : link
go air born a lot when he didn't have to and almost always fell down with the ball when he didn't have to. It was a weird habit.

Donnell is known for being a hard worker. He seems to me to have all the talent to excel at TE. If he works hard on his blocking and avoiding fumbles during the off season, I think he'll be a very good TE for the Giants.
Donnell  
Blue Blood : 12/5/2014 8:09 am : link
just needs to stop leaving his feet after catching and running.. See the tackle.. get your shoulder down and protect the ball..
51 catches looks impressive...  
Dunedin81 : 12/5/2014 8:33 am : link
except that 25 of them (and roughly half his yards) came in the first four weeks of the season, and of the 26 since 3 have been subsequently fumbled. And I believe two of Eli's picks have been deflected off of Donnell. Is this the same offense as last year? Of course not, so it's a fair point that yards per isn't as important. But he's not an offensive weapon, he's not a two-way TE, he is the (second) best of a bad lot of receiving options.
RE: they take his legs out  
Optimus-NY : 12/5/2014 8:51 am : link
In comment 12018641 blueberry said:
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because he's so tall - kid is going to break his neck one of these games. TC pointed it out in the post game last week how when he is upended - instinct is to brace with your arms - and then there goes the ball. Watching him being flipped on his head so many times this year - I don't think he'll stay healthy.


THIS. Donnell needs to learn how to not expose himself like that. Besides that, he's not physical enough a the point of attack. A recipe for disaster.
Donnell is already a useful player,  
81_Great_Dane : 12/5/2014 10:09 am : link
and if he gets better, he can be the kind of guy you win with. He's probably not a foundation player, it's doubtful he's ever a Pro Bowl TE, but in a rebuilding year you live with the mistakes and growing pains, provided he continues to improve.
Well thats what you get with such a raw player.  
Curtis in VA : 12/5/2014 10:14 am : link
He's a former QB. He doesn't have the instincts but you can see the potential. There have been hiccups along the way but he has displayed very good hands, especially in the red zone. The little things are whats killing him.
RE: Giants should draft a TE  
Curtis in VA : 12/5/2014 10:21 am : link
In comment 12018255 Overseer said:
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Decent class this year so rnds 2-4 could present some compelling value.

Donnell is not very good. The fact that he's easily the 2nd best receiving option for Eli presently is not encouraging. I think he is likely to improve further, but it'd be nice if he were the 2nd option rather than the first.


Agree with this take. He would be great as a second option. Maybe he'll make a huge jump next season but that shouldn't stop them from trying to improve if they can.
Donnell will be a FA at the end of the season  
MadTeck : 12/5/2014 11:44 am : link
I see the Giants letting him go and maybe resigning Fells. They have A.Robinson for one more useless year. We should have kept the TE from Seattle. Donnell is young and irresponsible because when he had the fumble in the start of the year, he knew then that his handle on the ball needed to change. #BenchThoseWhoCanNotPerformUpToPar
Donnell is the best TE on the roster ...  
Fpbflppt : 12/5/2014 11:48 am : link
of the team that used to have TEs named Shockey and Bavaro. How the mighty have fallen.
Donnell:  
Rob in NYC : 12/5/2014 12:19 pm : link
Positives - Natural athlete, size, speed, solid hands with a very good catch radiue

Negatives - relatively new to the game, learning how to take and deliver a hit, fumbling, in line blocking.

Of the these characteristics, which can be taught and which can't?
RE: RE: they take his legs out  
KeoweeFan : 12/5/2014 12:19 pm : link
In comment 12018661 Big_Score said:
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In comment 12018641 blueberry said:


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because he's so tall - kid is going to break his neck one of these games. TC pointed it out in the post game last week how when he is upended - instinct is to brace with your arms - and then there goes the ball. Watching him being flipped on his head so many times this year - I don't think he'll stay healthy.


And that's exactly the problem. Donnell goes airborne on almost every catch even when it's not necessary. A good TE coach would teach him to catch the ball with both feet on the ground and run. The guy has really good hands. Get some YAC. Pope, anyone?

Donnell has the goods. He's a project that can pay nice dividends with the right training and occasional kick in the ass. With his size blocking shouldn't even be an issue. I'll give the raw trainee a pass on this one for a year and let the coaches do what they are supposed to do here. A year from now if we still have the unnecessary acrobatic jumps, fumbles and blocking problems, yeah, cut bait.


Does that reflect on the relatively inexperienced TE coach? Does lack of progress by Robinson fall on him too? Should Ben, an experienced TE coach be a little more "hands on" to oversee Jr.?
He's one of the few emerging players  
KWALL : 12/5/2014 1:37 pm : link
He does NOT suck. He's shown plenty this year. He's a smooth pass catcher with great size. He can be a very good starter on a winning team.

Taking snaps from him is one of the dumber ideas on BBI lately. He needs to improve with some things such as ball security? Yes, and you do that by giving him playing time on this lost season.

The fumble this week he did not leave his feet before contact. The guy hit him in the knees. He had 2 guys in front of him. He was late to react to the guy going low.

Protecting his legs is a thing he has to work on. A lot of tall guys with limited football experience have this problem. He needs to get his pads down and use his arms better to keep guys from sawing him off at the knees.

The knock on his production is another joke. NYG can't block and its become an even bigger problem in the last 5 games. That's the problem with the pass game production for the entire team. Donnell can get open and make plays on an NFL field. That's obvious.

One the that does suck is he's a FA after this year. I did not know that. They should have resigned him after week 2. If we lose him it would suck and create another huge hole.
Sucks is overstating it  
Overseer : 12/5/2014 2:55 pm : link
But I don't see the potential you do - he just looks clumsy out there - but hope I am wrong (that is, if he's re-signed). I do love that he catches TD passes.

Can't expect Jimmy Graham, least of all from someone undrafted, but the Giants can do better in the draft. The fact that pass protection is currently paramount makes it that much more crucial to upgrade. If Maxx Williams (son of the former Giant) drops, might be a good option.
Or Miami's Walford  
Overseer : 12/5/2014 2:56 pm : link
in the 4th/5th.
RE: actually, the JPP of Tight Ends  
woefulb : 12/5/2014 3:36 pm : link
In comment 12018231 dancing blue bear said:
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does appear to be the JPP of Tight Ends


Beautiful- my thoughts exactly!
like I said earlier, all I want to see from TC is consistency  
SHO'NUFF : 12/5/2014 6:05 pm : link
if you're going to bench Wilson for half the season, then bench Donnell and Andre Williams for fumbling. He undermines himself when he pulls this hypocritical bullshit. It convinces me even more that he had something personal against Wilson.

I like Donnell's potential and think we should keep him on the team, but when the fuck is he ever gonna learn to hold onto the ball if he is not held accountable?
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