and this year showed his potential as well as his limitations. Hopefully next year we'll get more upside and they'll fix the fumbling, improve the blocking.
Donnell has limitations. Almost all players do. Opposing coaches try to expose them.
Decent class this year so rnds 2-4 could present some compelling value.
Donnell is not very good. The fact that he's easily the 2nd best receiving option for Eli presently is not encouraging. I think he is likely to improve further, but it'd be nice if he were the 2nd option rather than the first.
So there's no reason to think that he won't be getting regular Â
He's been a semi-bright spot and one of the younger guys to flash at least somewhat. Big mistakes, yes, but i think overall has done more good than bad. Who are they going to bench him for? Robinson? Aye caramba. Keep playing him and Fells - they at least look like they belong on the field and may help us beyond this crap ass year.
yardage routes. As soon as he catches the ball, he should go down the way our Steve Smith used to do. People used to give SS crap, but he was Eli's security blanket and a move-the-chains machine.
to state the blatantly obvious. He had one great game, which is why some people here feel otherwise. Outside of the Washington game he has more fumbles than touchdowns. His yards per is actually lower than Brandon "Just shy of the first down marker" Myers who, incidentally, managed to not fumble the ball last year. He can't block despite his size, he is not a load to tackle despite his size, he doesn't outrun everyone. If we had better receivers he wouldn't have 50+ receptions.
and rightfully so, the DB got called for the penalty, but most alarming was Donnell's unwillingness to fight threw the hold...no effort to slap away the hands to beat the jam or do a swim move or anything.
to state the blatantly obvious. He had one great game, which is why some people here feel otherwise. Outside of the Washington game he has more fumbles than touchdowns. His yards per is actually lower than Brandon "Just shy of the first down marker" Myers who, incidentally, managed to not fumble the ball last year. He can't block despite his size, he is not a load to tackle despite his size, he doesn't outrun everyone. If we had better receivers he wouldn't have 50+ receptions.
Donnell does not suck. He had a very strong first 4 weeks. I'm not sure what yards per has to do with this, since the offense is entirely different. KG's scheme was much more downfield oriented, and that's a fact. Donnell hasn't been a consistent performer since the Redskins game, but he still has flashed from time to time after. He is struggling with adjusting to extra attention. I'd argue with better WR's he would be a much more consistent performer.
to state the blatantly obvious. He had one great game, which is why some people here feel otherwise. Outside of the Washington game he has more fumbles than touchdowns. His yards per is actually lower than Brandon "Just shy of the first down marker" Myers who, incidentally, managed to not fumble the ball last year. He can't block despite his size, he is not a load to tackle despite his size, he doesn't outrun everyone. If we had better receivers he wouldn't have 50+ receptions.
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Donnell is a middling player on a good team.
A player who fumbles the ball at his rate and cannot block cannot be a key player for you.
Outside of DeMarco Murray, NO ONE the NFL has lost more fumbles than him.
Murray has touched the ball 379 times.
Donnell has touched the ball 51 times.
That is inexcusable. Donnell has earned a spot on the bench based on this.
He provides nothing in the run game because he can't block at all.
because he's so tall - kid is going to break his neck one of these games. TC pointed it out in the post game last week how when he is upended - instinct is to brace with your arms - and then there goes the ball. Watching him being flipped on his head so many times this year - I don't think he'll stay healthy.
Is still learning and he does not have a true vet to mentor him about the position. In fact the entire receiving core has this problem. He is long and very lean most of his fumbles have come when they attack his lower legs while he is airborne. He also needs to learn how to run after the catch he is headed for the ground once he catches the ball mostly. This is also a part of the learning factor in his game, lots to still learn but time on the field is the answer in his case.
Now if we could only get Mr. Robinson on the field he has the most tools to work with but for some reason can't get any playing time. I could live with the fact he can't play but he has yet to see the field to find out if this is true or not.
because he's so tall - kid is going to break his neck one of these games. TC pointed it out in the post game last week how when he is upended - instinct is to brace with your arms - and then there goes the ball. Watching him being flipped on his head so many times this year - I don't think he'll stay healthy.
And that's exactly the problem. Donnell goes airborne on almost every catch even when it's not necessary. A good TE coach would teach him to catch the ball with both feet on the ground and run. The guy has really good hands. Get some YAC. Pope, anyone?
Donnell has the goods. He's a project that can pay nice dividends with the right training and occasional kick in the ass. With his size blocking shouldn't even be an issue. I'll give the raw trainee a pass on this one for a year and let the coaches do what they are supposed to do here. A year from now if we still have the unnecessary acrobatic jumps, fumbles and blocking problems, yeah, cut bait.
go air born a lot when he didn't have to and almost always fell down with the ball when he didn't have to. It was a weird habit.
Donnell is known for being a hard worker. He seems to me to have all the talent to excel at TE. If he works hard on his blocking and avoiding fumbles during the off season, I think he'll be a very good TE for the Giants.
except that 25 of them (and roughly half his yards) came in the first four weeks of the season, and of the 26 since 3 have been subsequently fumbled. And I believe two of Eli's picks have been deflected off of Donnell. Is this the same offense as last year? Of course not, so it's a fair point that yards per isn't as important. But he's not an offensive weapon, he's not a two-way TE, he is the (second) best of a bad lot of receiving options.
because he's so tall - kid is going to break his neck one of these games. TC pointed it out in the post game last week how when he is upended - instinct is to brace with your arms - and then there goes the ball. Watching him being flipped on his head so many times this year - I don't think he'll stay healthy.
THIS. Donnell needs to learn how to not expose himself like that. Besides that, he's not physical enough a the point of attack. A recipe for disaster.
and if he gets better, he can be the kind of guy you win with. He's probably not a foundation player, it's doubtful he's ever a Pro Bowl TE, but in a rebuilding year you live with the mistakes and growing pains, provided he continues to improve.
He's a former QB. He doesn't have the instincts but you can see the potential. There have been hiccups along the way but he has displayed very good hands, especially in the red zone. The little things are whats killing him.
Decent class this year so rnds 2-4 could present some compelling value.
Donnell is not very good. The fact that he's easily the 2nd best receiving option for Eli presently is not encouraging. I think he is likely to improve further, but it'd be nice if he were the 2nd option rather than the first.
Agree with this take. He would be great as a second option. Maybe he'll make a huge jump next season but that shouldn't stop them from trying to improve if they can.
I see the Giants letting him go and maybe resigning Fells. They have A.Robinson for one more useless year. We should have kept the TE from Seattle. Donnell is young and irresponsible because when he had the fumble in the start of the year, he knew then that his handle on the ball needed to change. #BenchThoseWhoCanNotPerformUpToPar
because he's so tall - kid is going to break his neck one of these games. TC pointed it out in the post game last week how when he is upended - instinct is to brace with your arms - and then there goes the ball. Watching him being flipped on his head so many times this year - I don't think he'll stay healthy.
And that's exactly the problem. Donnell goes airborne on almost every catch even when it's not necessary. A good TE coach would teach him to catch the ball with both feet on the ground and run. The guy has really good hands. Get some YAC. Pope, anyone?
Donnell has the goods. He's a project that can pay nice dividends with the right training and occasional kick in the ass. With his size blocking shouldn't even be an issue. I'll give the raw trainee a pass on this one for a year and let the coaches do what they are supposed to do here. A year from now if we still have the unnecessary acrobatic jumps, fumbles and blocking problems, yeah, cut bait.
Does that reflect on the relatively inexperienced TE coach? Does lack of progress by Robinson fall on him too? Should Ben, an experienced TE coach be a little more "hands on" to oversee Jr.?
He does NOT suck. He's shown plenty this year. He's a smooth pass catcher with great size. He can be a very good starter on a winning team.
Taking snaps from him is one of the dumber ideas on BBI lately. He needs to improve with some things such as ball security? Yes, and you do that by giving him playing time on this lost season.
The fumble this week he did not leave his feet before contact. The guy hit him in the knees. He had 2 guys in front of him. He was late to react to the guy going low.
Protecting his legs is a thing he has to work on. A lot of tall guys with limited football experience have this problem. He needs to get his pads down and use his arms better to keep guys from sawing him off at the knees.
The knock on his production is another joke. NYG can't block and its become an even bigger problem in the last 5 games. That's the problem with the pass game production for the entire team. Donnell can get open and make plays on an NFL field. That's obvious.
One the that does suck is he's a FA after this year. I did not know that. They should have resigned him after week 2. If we lose him it would suck and create another huge hole.
But I don't see the potential you do - he just looks clumsy out there - but hope I am wrong (that is, if he's re-signed). I do love that he catches TD passes.
Can't expect Jimmy Graham, least of all from someone undrafted, but the Giants can do better in the draft. The fact that pass protection is currently paramount makes it that much more crucial to upgrade. If Maxx Williams (son of the former Giant) drops, might be a good option.
if you're going to bench Wilson for half the season, then bench Donnell and Andre Williams for fumbling. He undermines himself when he pulls this hypocritical bullshit. It convinces me even more that he had something personal against Wilson.
I like Donnell's potential and think we should keep him on the team, but when the fuck is he ever gonna learn to hold onto the ball if he is not held accountable?
Great job R&R in the TEs you've put on the roster.
Donnell has limitations. Almost all players do. Opposing coaches try to expose them.
Donnell is not very good. The fact that he's easily the 2nd best receiving option for Eli presently is not encouraging. I think he is likely to improve further, but it'd be nice if he were the 2nd option rather than the first.
Lets give him some time to mature.
Get my drift ?
I think Donnell is going to be an exceptional player.
Doomster you peaked my interest. I'll take a stab and guess Celek??
Donnell does not suck. He had a very strong first 4 weeks. I'm not sure what yards per has to do with this, since the offense is entirely different. KG's scheme was much more downfield oriented, and that's a fact. Donnell hasn't been a consistent performer since the Redskins game, but he still has flashed from time to time after. He is struggling with adjusting to extra attention. I'd argue with better WR's he would be a much more consistent performer.
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Donnell is a middling player on a good team.
A player who fumbles the ball at his rate and cannot block cannot be a key player for you.
Outside of DeMarco Murray, NO ONE the NFL has lost more fumbles than him.
Murray has touched the ball 379 times.
Donnell has touched the ball 51 times.
That is inexcusable. Donnell has earned a spot on the bench based on this.
He provides nothing in the run game because he can't block at all.
Nice player. Nothing more.
Now if we could only get Mr. Robinson on the field he has the most tools to work with but for some reason can't get any playing time. I could live with the fact he can't play but he has yet to see the field to find out if this is true or not.
And that's exactly the problem. Donnell goes airborne on almost every catch even when it's not necessary. A good TE coach would teach him to catch the ball with both feet on the ground and run. The guy has really good hands. Get some YAC. Pope, anyone?
Donnell has the goods. He's a project that can pay nice dividends with the right training and occasional kick in the ass. With his size blocking shouldn't even be an issue. I'll give the raw trainee a pass on this one for a year and let the coaches do what they are supposed to do here. A year from now if we still have the unnecessary acrobatic jumps, fumbles and blocking problems, yeah, cut bait.
Donnell is known for being a hard worker. He seems to me to have all the talent to excel at TE. If he works hard on his blocking and avoiding fumbles during the off season, I think he'll be a very good TE for the Giants.
THIS. Donnell needs to learn how to not expose himself like that. Besides that, he's not physical enough a the point of attack. A recipe for disaster.
Donnell is not very good. The fact that he's easily the 2nd best receiving option for Eli presently is not encouraging. I think he is likely to improve further, but it'd be nice if he were the 2nd option rather than the first.
Agree with this take. He would be great as a second option. Maybe he'll make a huge jump next season but that shouldn't stop them from trying to improve if they can.
Negatives - relatively new to the game, learning how to take and deliver a hit, fumbling, in line blocking.
Of the these characteristics, which can be taught and which can't?
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because he's so tall - kid is going to break his neck one of these games. TC pointed it out in the post game last week how when he is upended - instinct is to brace with your arms - and then there goes the ball. Watching him being flipped on his head so many times this year - I don't think he'll stay healthy.
And that's exactly the problem. Donnell goes airborne on almost every catch even when it's not necessary. A good TE coach would teach him to catch the ball with both feet on the ground and run. The guy has really good hands. Get some YAC. Pope, anyone?
Donnell has the goods. He's a project that can pay nice dividends with the right training and occasional kick in the ass. With his size blocking shouldn't even be an issue. I'll give the raw trainee a pass on this one for a year and let the coaches do what they are supposed to do here. A year from now if we still have the unnecessary acrobatic jumps, fumbles and blocking problems, yeah, cut bait.
Does that reflect on the relatively inexperienced TE coach? Does lack of progress by Robinson fall on him too? Should Ben, an experienced TE coach be a little more "hands on" to oversee Jr.?
Taking snaps from him is one of the dumber ideas on BBI lately. He needs to improve with some things such as ball security? Yes, and you do that by giving him playing time on this lost season.
The fumble this week he did not leave his feet before contact. The guy hit him in the knees. He had 2 guys in front of him. He was late to react to the guy going low.
Protecting his legs is a thing he has to work on. A lot of tall guys with limited football experience have this problem. He needs to get his pads down and use his arms better to keep guys from sawing him off at the knees.
The knock on his production is another joke. NYG can't block and its become an even bigger problem in the last 5 games. That's the problem with the pass game production for the entire team. Donnell can get open and make plays on an NFL field. That's obvious.
One the that does suck is he's a FA after this year. I did not know that. They should have resigned him after week 2. If we lose him it would suck and create another huge hole.
Can't expect Jimmy Graham, least of all from someone undrafted, but the Giants can do better in the draft. The fact that pass protection is currently paramount makes it that much more crucial to upgrade. If Maxx Williams (son of the former Giant) drops, might be a good option.
Beautiful- my thoughts exactly!
I like Donnell's potential and think we should keep him on the team, but when the fuck is he ever gonna learn to hold onto the ball if he is not held accountable?