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What if Pugh can't play G and....?

drkenneth : 12/5/2014 10:47 pm
We have a shot at a top OT in the draft (Scherff...Peat is slipping), or someone like Orlando Franklin or Cannon?

We will be in a position to acquire a top OT this off-season, but do we need a OT or a G? Do you draft Scherff top 10 to play G?

I'm just confused as to how to improve the talent on the OL, when essentially, Beatty/Richburg/Pugh/Schwartz are 4/5 for 2015????
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... Beatty has not been an issue  
kepler20 : 12/6/2014 5:28 am : link
at all this year. Beatty has played well given how poorly the rest of the offensive line is. He's not the problem and as long as he ends the season healthy there is no reason to believe that he will regress.
RE: Don't be scared to draft a Guard or Center in the 1st round  
BMac : 12/6/2014 6:05 am : link
In comment 12020194 Big Blue Fan 74 said:
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Where would the Cowboys be if they were afraid to draft Frederick (center) and Martin (guard) in the first round? They would probably be on their way to an 8-8 season like the the previous 3 seasons.


They weren't drafting in the top 10. That makes one hell of a difference.
Draft  
Big Blue Fan 74 : 12/6/2014 6:29 am : link
Not all positions are created equal but I wouldn't pass up a future All-Pro player just because he was a guard or center.
RE: RE: What if...  
Milton : 12/6/2014 6:51 am : link
In comment 12020185 81_Great_Dane said:
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In comment 12020184 Milton said:


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...Pugh plays great at OG, but Beatty regresses at OT?
...they draft an OT in the first round and he tears his achilles in the preseason game against the Jets?
...they give a top tier free agent OL a $25M signing bonus and he spends the money on a sex change operation?
...they bring back Diehl and Gilbride? What if?.... - ( New Window )

Don't be ridiculous, Milton. We can't worry about any Giant wrecking his leg, that's just part of the game we can't control. Unless he's running back kicks, in which case ohmigod dontletithappen dontdoit no no NO NO NEVER AGAIN SEHORN FLASHBACK NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
I purposely made it an achilles instead of an ACL so that it wouldn't bring back memories of Sehorn!
RE: Man i really wanted Cannon in round 4 a few years ago  
Giants2012 : 12/6/2014 7:35 am : link
In comment 12020127 Jay on the Island said:
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but the Giants took Brewer instead.


Me too. His sickness may have played a role. Regardless, if the Pats don't resign him he's a free agent.
Can't live without high picks  
Spider 67 : 12/6/2014 7:41 am : link
Richburg & Pugh are recent high draft picks and if they can't cut it, the Giants will be in trouble for a long time. They've already lost Wilson & Amukamara is now a question mark.

I'd like to see them get a solid, lights out left tackle, even if means trading picks to move up or somehow trade for a young 2nd or 3rd year tackle. I think Beatty would be a solid right tackle. Richburg should be moved to center ASAP. Pugh would slide over to guard. I think they're stuck with Schwartz because of his contract, hopefully he can play the other guard otherwise another free agent. No matter what they do, I don't expect much from the line next year as it will be new players in new positions again.
Beatty isn't the worry of this Oline  
mjvm52106 : 12/6/2014 8:51 am : link
only because everything else is. He is a borderline LT at best but could be better with a better surrounding cast. Also, the one thing many of you fail to mention is the Oline is bad enough but we also have ZERO help at TE with the blocking which magnifies the situation.

The idea of fixing the Oline is a paramount onebut we also must make sure the supporting cast also has talent to help that area improve. If we had a 2nd RB who knows how to make people miss and can catch passes that would help the Oline some. If we had any TE's who could block and catch then defenses would have to game plan for that and not just look to Tee on the Line and the QB. Right now we have TE's who can be played a receivers (not great ones either) and the threat of them bulldozing someone off the line is minimal if not non existent. A true 2-way TE is very much a need!


The line for next year at this point would see LT- Beatty, LG- ?, C- Richburg (not a sure thing either), RG- Schwartz and RT- Pugh. However if the Giants go LT in the first Rd then Beatty moves to RT and Pugh goes to LG.
RE: Lets say Pugh stays  
dguy901 : 12/6/2014 9:37 am : link
In comment 12020171 Gregorio said:
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at right tackle, and Schwartz heals well and can play right guard. I can see Richburg moving to starting center. That leaves left guard in need of a player. Draft a left guard early. Draft a 2nd guard early to back up the current guards.

I'd like to invest in young OL talent, for the future.

Before deciding on a Guard real high, lets see what Eric Herman can do.
Stud Guard! - ( New Window )
RE: Beatty isn't the worry of this Oline  
Milton : 12/6/2014 9:43 am : link
In comment 12020221 mjvm52106 said:
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The line for next year at this point would see LT- Beatty, LG- ?, C- Richburg (not a sure thing either), RG- Schwartz and RT- Pugh. However if the Giants go LT in the first Rd then Beatty moves to RT and Pugh goes to LG.
Drafting the future OLT in round one doesn't necessarily mean he will start there as a rookie. He could either start out at OLG or ORT, depending on the Giants future plans for Pugh. Ogden (at 6'8") began his career at OLG and Tyson Smith played his rookie year at right tackle.
RE: Pugh can play guard  
Bill in UT : 12/6/2014 9:44 am : link
In comment 12020144 RAIN said:
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and will be very good.


Maybe we should make you the GM, all-knowing one. As to the OP, we almost certainly will not know if Pugh can play guard. Particularly with Schwartz out, he will play nothing
but RT the rest of the year. We will go into the draft with no knowledge of whether he can handle guard
Schwartz' season and  
Bill in UT : 12/6/2014 9:48 am : link
injury history clearly indicate that he can't be counted on. If he's going to start, we have to have a strong backup at that position without having to start shuffling the whole line around.
RE: Beatty isn't the worry of this Oline  
drkenneth : 12/6/2014 10:00 am : link
In comment 12020221 mjvm52106 said:
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only because everything else is. He is a borderline LT at best but could be better with a better surrounding cast. Also, the one thing many of you fail to mention is the Oline is bad enough but we also have ZERO help at TE with the blocking which magnifies the situation.

The idea of fixing the Oline is a paramount onebut we also must make sure the supporting cast also has talent to help that area improve. If we had a 2nd RB who knows how to make people miss and can catch passes that would help the Oline some. If we had any TE's who could block and catch then defenses would have to game plan for that and not just look to Tee on the Line and the QB. Right now we have TE's who can be played a receivers (not great ones either) and the threat of them bulldozing someone off the line is minimal if not non existent. A true 2-way TE is very much a need!


The line for next year at this point would see LT- Beatty, LG- ?, C- Richburg (not a sure thing either), RG- Schwartz and RT- Pugh. However if the Giants go LT in the first Rd then Beatty moves to RT and Pugh goes to LG.


Beatty is NOT a RT. Can we just let that idea go please?
RE: Pugh can play guard  
mrvax : 12/6/2014 10:11 am : link
In comment 12020144 RAIN said:
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and will be very good. In so far as talent at the top of this years draft class.. their will be some guys that rise towards the senior bowl and all star season, that will have higher grades than the names at the top. It happens every year.


Anyone who pencils in Pugh at guard needs a good, swift kick in the nuts. The only time he ever played guard is a few snaps at his senior bowl. He's a TACKLE. There is no evidence he can play guard and play it well at this level!
The most pressing need on the Oline  
mrvax : 12/6/2014 10:16 am : link
is getting a big strong good run blocking guard. The Giants will look to a veteran FA to fill that role.

That leaves their great draft position open to get playmakers.

So, you get your Oline better in FA, draft the best young difference makers you can get and also look for Dline help in the draft.

Reese sucks and this line is screwed. All his fault  
LauderdaleMatty : 12/6/2014 10:25 am : link
Bottome line is there is t a long term answer at a single position right now.

Beatty will be 30 next year. He's been better than he was last year but he's a middle of the road LT on his best day. Also counting on any NFL player to be better in their 30s than they were in their 20s is fucking asking for disaster.

Schwartz. Who knows. He's not goin anywhere but ZERO can be assumed about him for now. He might be the most solid player overall but long term?

Richberg. Played out of position. The one guy I'm actually the most positive about long term because he seems to have the size and abilty to be a good C. Also seems to play w more of an attitude than the rest of the wall flowes

Jerry. Go. Anywhere. Please

Pugh. Too many anointed this kid status that just made no sense. Because he had a solid rookie season he was plugged in as a RT for years. Couldn't find a guy more dissimilar that McKenzie if they tried. Looked horrific before he got banged up. Anyone who is sure he's a long term starter either at RT or even G is being totally optimistic and ignoring legit questions

Everyone else like Mosely, Brewer, or Herman is being insanely kind.

No depth and and an seriously gloomy future.

How anyone can trust Reese or pass on any top tier OL doesn't want to see this team win. Cooper and OBJ sounds great on paper but this team will never win until the OL becomes at least mediocre. It's bottome 5 and has been for 3 years




RE: The most pressing need on the Oline  
Bill in UT : 12/6/2014 10:27 am : link
In comment 12020275 mrvax said:
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draft the best young difference makers you can get and also look for Dline help in the draft.


So it sounds like you're looking to get about 3 immediate impact players from this draft. When was the last time Reese managed that?
At this point, anybody with exceptions to  
micky : 12/6/2014 10:44 am : link
Pugh, Richburg, and Schwartz should not be safe to return to their jobs on this OL.
pugh's struggles this year im giving him a pass  
CGiants07 : 12/6/2014 11:14 am : link
as he is hurt(shoulder I believe) and he is playing a handicap match with jerry at right guard
RE: The most pressing need on the Oline  
Gregorio : 12/6/2014 11:55 am : link
In comment 12020275 mrvax said:
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is getting a big strong good run blocking guard. The Giants will look to a veteran FA to fill that role.


mrvax,
the problem with relying on FA to get a starting guard, is that this is exactly what the Giants attempted in this past year's draft, resulting in average Jerry and injured Schwartz. It didn't work.

I guess relying on free agency could still work if tried again, but I would support drafting young guards in the early rounds to build for the future.

correction  
Gregorio : 12/6/2014 12:09 pm : link
I meant to write the Giants attempted to get starting guards via free agency last year, not the draft.

mrvax, do you know of reliable free agent guards available this season?
Just thinking out loud  
Gman11 : 12/6/2014 12:47 pm : link
Why not get a stud LT. Move Beatty to RT. Move Pugh to G. Move Richburg to C. Schwartz would be the other G.

Then pray for no injuries. Yeah, I know, that's like praying for world peace.
RE: Just thinking out loud  
Bill in UT : 12/6/2014 12:51 pm : link
In comment 12020344 Gman11 said:
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Why not get a stud LT. Move Beatty to RT. Move Pugh to G. Move Richburg to C. Schwartz would be the other G.

Then pray for no injuries. Yeah, I know, that's like praying for world peace.


Building a line around 2 guys playing positions that they have no track record at and counting on a guy who's spent most of his career injured sounds like a good plan to me, too. Count me in

RE: RE: Just thinking out loud  
Gman11 : 12/6/2014 1:07 pm : link
In comment 12020348 Bill in UT said:
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Why not get a stud LT. Move Beatty to RT. Move Pugh to G. Move Richburg to C. Schwartz would be the other G.

Then pray for no injuries. Yeah, I know, that's like praying for world peace.



Building a line around 2 guys playing positions that they have no track record at and counting on a guy who's spent most of his career injured sounds like a good plan to me, too. Count me in


They would have all off season to implement it.

Or they can keep an average guy at LT and fill in with guys like John Jerry and Adam Snyder and increase Eli's life insurance.
RE: Offensive Line  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/6/2014 2:11 pm : link
In comment 12020178 Dragon said:
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It will take several factors to fix the line and hopefully avoid the injury bug. How will this team find a starting OG or OT is the real big question.

Pugh took a major step back and no matter how we look at him his game at RT and his body frame is a LG not a RG or RT. Pugh looked lost out there and provides nothing in the running game due to his lack of physical play and overall strength. He needs to make the move to LG and play along side Beatty we all wish for many years to come. He has the feet to play OG but needs to become much stronger and develop a physical game.

Hopefully we have Schwartz to play RG but he now comes with a big question mark can he stay on the field. He is not an OT and we need the big physical presence he represents on the right side once again if he can remain injury free. We all know he did not look very good when he was on the field of play but we must pray that's not a reality.

Richburg return to OC his natural position helps as us in two ways one he brings more powerful presence to OC and puts Walton on the bench as very good depth at OC. He needs the offseason to work on his body for the grind of an entire NFL season. He played out of position but it should only help him understand what the guys next to him are doing even more.

Beatty look he is not a problem he is the one sure thing we have if any at all on our OL. He played very well but needs to refine his game so we don't hear his name two or more times a game. How many of us felt he would play the entire year with very little camp or preseason time prior to the start of the season. He is not a mauler but with Pugh beside him hopefully the right side should become a team strength.

So at this point we would have Beatty, Pugh, Richburg and Schwartz or 4 out of 5 positions filled. At present we don't have a RT on this team or any depth except for Walton at OC that's all the other names are just loosing lottery tickets to be thrown away. Jerry is not worth a return not even for depth, Mosley went from starting to out of sight, Brewer needs to find a job where you just carry teddy bears. Herman what do we know about him after two years, Reynolds is just another body. Johnson, Bamiro, Gaines and Kropog more lottery tickets but the first number looks wrong already.

FA is the first option to solve some of our problems starting with a good RT and depth along the OL. We need a swing OG we do not need a stating OG we need a starting RT which is a priority. Money is the route of all evil in FA and the major factor in what we can or can't accomplish. Who is available and wants to come to the team is the second factor to consider. Once again it's great to say we will sign the top guy or guys but in reality that never seems to workout real well.

The draft is the second option and depending on FA moves made places a higher or lesser importance to the OL positions. This draft is very solid at the OT & OG position and should bring anywhere from two or more players to develop. Teams that spend heavily on the OL during FA period also help teams looking for OL personnel in the draft.

Food for thought everyone is in love with Dallas OL today but only three of their players are top picks the other two are just two more NFL OL. This is a team that no one expected much from but now are the darlings of the NFC East because they are winning. We also have some top draft picks on our OL it's time they start showing the talent we invested in.

I agree with this Pugh is NOT an NFL Tackle, but can be a very good NFL LG
RE: Reese sucks and this line is screwed. All his fault  
AcidTest : 12/6/2014 2:16 pm : link
In comment 12020280 LauderdaleMatty said:
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Bottome line is there is t a long term answer at a single position right now.

Beatty will be 30 next year. He's been better than he was last year but he's a middle of the road LT on his best day. Also counting on any NFL player to be better in their 30s than they were in their 20s is fucking asking for disaster.

Schwartz. Who knows. He's not goin anywhere but ZERO can be assumed about him for now. He might be the most solid player overall but long term?

Richberg. Played out of position. The one guy I'm actually the most positive about long term because he seems to have the size and abilty to be a good C. Also seems to play w more of an attitude than the rest of the wall flowes

Jerry. Go. Anywhere. Please

Pugh. Too many anointed this kid status that just made no sense. Because he had a solid rookie season he was plugged in as a RT for years. Couldn't find a guy more dissimilar that McKenzie if they tried. Looked horrific before he got banged up. Anyone who is sure he's a long term starter either at RT or even G is being totally optimistic and ignoring legit questions

Everyone else like Mosely, Brewer, or Herman is being insanely kind.

No depth and and an seriously gloomy future.

How anyone can trust Reese or pass on any top tier OL doesn't want to see this team win. Cooper and OBJ sounds great on paper but this team will never win until the OL becomes at least mediocre. It's bottome 5 and has been for 3 years





You analysis is sound, although I am not quite as pessimistic. Beatty has done well this year, much better than I thought, especially after his terrible 2013, and given that he is playing next to a rookie. In any event, there is too much of a cap hit to cut him, and it would just create another hole on an already porous unit.

I do agree that if Pugh and Richburg don't work out, then it will be a disaster. We have to hope that Richburg can play center next year, and that Pugh can either be a RG or RT, with Schwartz playing the other position. That is a lot of ifs, ands, and buts, but that's where we are right now.

Assuming all of that happens, we then need a mauling guard at LG.

Of the current players, I would only bring Herman and Gaines to camp aside from the starting five. You also bring the mauling guard, another low round pick, one or two vet FAs, and Barimo.
so  
blue42 : 12/6/2014 2:24 pm : link
Pugh doesn't have the strength to play tackle but he does for guard??? He'll face stronger players at guard.
I am good if we draft only O-lineman and  
Jimmy Googs : 12/6/2014 2:34 pm : link
and Defensive Lineman for the next two years.

I don't care the position just take best DL/OL athlete available for the next 14 picks.
to the question- in round 1 you draft the best  
alligatorpie : 12/6/2014 2:41 pm : link
offensive or defensive lineman at ANY of the lines prospective positions.

the chance of value for that is fairly high.

or trade down a bit and do it twice, 3 times for each line

but - you get no bullshit players. for example, this top round type list does not include (for our team) any SAM type DE/LB 'tweeners, or any OLsmen with little to no proven high level experience.
so that means BPA from a pool of  
alligatorpie : 12/6/2014 2:46 pm : link
(....offensive tackle, offensive guard, center, defensive tackle, defensive end (NOT TWEENER - this means 265lbs and UP senior season playing weight).. )

for rounds 1 and 2.

make this a cornerstone player(s) and adjust TO them.
RE: RE: RE: Just thinking out loud  
Bill in UT : 12/6/2014 2:47 pm : link
In comment 12020359 Gman11 said:
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Why not get a stud LT. Move Beatty to RT. Move Pugh to G. Move Richburg to C. Schwartz would be the other G.

Then pray for no injuries. Yeah, I know, that's like praying for world peace.



Building a line around 2 guys playing positions that they have no track record at and counting on a guy who's spent most of his career injured sounds like a good plan to me, too. Count me in




They would have all off season to implement it.

Or they can keep an average guy at LT and fill in with guys like John Jerry and Adam Snyder and increase Eli's life insurance.


Let's not pretend that your two choices are the only options. The draft in in April or May. Between the end of the season and the draft I don't believe they have any contact drills, so they would go through FA and into the draft with no clue whether those moves will work or not. Add on the fact that there are no sure thing draft picks at LT. And I've seen numerous comments here that Beatty would be a lousy RT.
free agency also  
alligatorpie : 12/6/2014 2:49 pm : link
i think the point is, at this point, you look for players who would be by far the best on either line...not Fill In Players

then adjust
RE: correction  
giantgiantfan : 12/6/2014 3:19 pm : link
In comment 12020325 Gregorio said:
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I meant to write the Giants attempted to get starting guards via free agency last year, not the draft.

mrvax, do you know of reliable free agent guards available this season?


From what I see, outside of Iupati, no home run prospects exist. There is a guy on the Denver line that has played good, but has also been called out this season by the media for poor play. Their is a seahawk who is good but has only made it through one full season. Iupati is going to get top dollar. It's either him or sign a few guys that are less than Iupati, but more than what we have and then have a nice competition in camp.
Historically, drafting OL in the top 10 means left tackle  
JonC : 12/6/2014 3:29 pm : link
because you draft into the inherent strengths of the draft, you don't reach for a position out of desperation. That tends to eliminate RTs and OGs at the top of the first round, not even a Larry Allen was selected that high. Teams that picked those positions higher than usual in recent years typically weren't teams with tons of needs.

NYG could very easily draft a LT in this top 10, if there's one they want, Beatty or no. They could draft a tackle who's superior to Pugh at RT and start him there right off the bat, and kick Pugh inside.

Ultimately, you don't worry about Pugh you put it on him to improve and win a job, first rounder or no. Yes, I know NYG probably won't be that tough on him but I'm not passing on a top 10 OT prospect because Pugh's on the roster.

RE: RE: correction  
Bill in UT : 12/6/2014 3:30 pm : link
In comment 12020441 giantgiantfan said:
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In comment 12020325 Gregorio said:


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I meant to write the Giants attempted to get starting guards via free agency last year, not the draft.

mrvax, do you know of reliable free agent guards available this season?



From what I see, outside of Iupati, no home run prospects exist. There is a guy on the Denver line that has played good, but has also been called out this season by the media for poor play. Their is a seahawk who is good but has only made it through one full season. Iupati is going to get top dollar. It's either him or sign a few guys that are less than Iupati, but more than what we have and then have a nice competition in camp.


We've been doing those kinds of competitions for years. And the results are always the same- you end up with a lousy starter and even lousier backups.
Recognizing this regime's patterns  
JonC : 12/6/2014 3:50 pm : link
tells you they'll look at DE, WR, LT, CB firstly ... but, they're not going to reach for an OL. Reese could point at the roster right now, blame the OL woes on injuries, and just upgrade the LG position :

Beatty-UFA-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh

I think that's an average group. I think Reese would be ok with it, sadly.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Just thinking out loud  
Spider 67 : 12/6/2014 3:52 pm : link
In comment 12020427 Bill in UT said:
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Why not get a stud LT. Move Beatty to RT. Move Pugh to G. Move Richburg to C. Schwartz would be the other G.

Then pray for no injuries. Yeah, I know, that's like praying for world peace.



Building a line around 2 guys playing positions that they have no track record at and counting on a guy who's spent most of his career injured sounds like a good plan to me, too. Count me in




They would have all off season to implement it.

Or they can keep an average guy at LT and fill in with guys like John Jerry and Adam Snyder and increase Eli's life insurance.



Let's not pretend that your two choices are the only options. The draft in in April or May. Between the end of the season and the draft I don't believe they have any contact drills, so they would go through FA and into the draft with no clue whether those moves will work or not. Add on the fact that there are no sure thing draft picks at LT. And I've seen numerous comments here that Beatty would be a lousy RT.

Unless the team now knows Richburg & Pugh aren't good enough to play at their best suited positions, they must build around them. Where will they get 5 linemen that are better? Free agents & draft picks? Those 2 guys are 2 of the 3 highest picks they've had the last 2 years. They have other needs on offense and especially defense they'll eventually have to use high picks for. If those 2 guys don't work out coupled with the loss of Wilson, they'll be in almost as bad of shape as they were in the 60's & 70's when they either traded away high picks or wasted the ones they kept. Teams are built around high picks. If those 2 don't work out and they can't get at least 1 more solid starter, preferably in the draft, they should trade Eli because he'll be almost 40 by the time they can rebuild the entire line.
If Pugh and Richburg don't work out  
Bill in UT : 12/6/2014 4:13 pm : link
at the positions of need that they were drafted for, this FO needs to be gone. That is if there's not enough reason anyway for them to be gone.
When the Giants drafted Pugh, I saw him as a left guard  
GeofromNJ : 12/6/2014 4:20 pm : link
who could pull on running plays. The Giants haven't had a decent left guard since Seubert retired. I'd like to see Pugh at LG. But I also think RT is their most pressing need. They haven't had a decent right tackle since McKenzie retired. Beatty is a not good choice. He's not powerful enough. I also don't understand why Richburg is not playing center. It's his schooled position if not his most natural position, and I don't buy the argument that he's not big enough to play center in the NFL. Not all successful centers weigh 350 lbs.

Everyone is concerned about pass protection and I get that. But the primary reason Eli gets swamped on passing plays is because the Giants' running game doesn't scare anybody these days because the RT is mediocre, the LG can't pull, the center gets run over, and the tight end can't block. Two years ago, the Giants had a tight end who could block. His name is Bennett, but Reese let him walk. I would move Pugh to LG, Richburg to center, draft a RT and a RG, and sign a TE who can block.

Fix the running game. This will give pass rushers something to think about and will allow play action to work.
RE: Recognizing this regime's patterns  
drkenneth : 12/6/2014 4:21 pm : link
In comment 12020463 JonC said:
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tells you they'll look at DE, WR, LT, CB firstly ... but, they're not going to reach for an OL. Reese could point at the roster right now, blame the OL woes on injuries, and just upgrade the LG position :

Beatty-UFA-Richburg-Schwartz-Pugh

I think that's an average group. I think Reese would be ok with it, sadly.


Agreed. I guess my question is: How do you build a very good OL, with average talent?
And what are we basing the Pugh to G stuff?  
drkenneth : 12/6/2014 4:23 pm : link
He's never played G, and as noted above- He's not a power player, and he needs to be inside.

I see Pugh as odd man out if we select someone like Scherff and sign a G. I agree with JonC that he needs to earn a spot.
When I look at Pugh's body type, he's an OG  
JonC : 12/6/2014 4:25 pm : link
Short arms, short legs, he's also still a young dude. He should pack on lbs and strength as he moves through his 20s. They might leave him at RT, but I really believe we can get a significantly better player at RT.

NYG loves him, you can basically forget about letting him go.
What we need to see  
JonC : 12/6/2014 4:27 pm : link
is can Pugh hit a moving target. I think he's athletic and mobile enough to pull, get to the second level etc, but hitting a moving target downfield is easier said than done. The power sets inside are questions that also need to be answered.
Sign veteran LG  
old man : 12/6/2014 4:48 pm : link
to help WB and new C WesR, GeoffS at RG helps JPugh and WesR; draft an OL at 1 and possibly 3. Sign another veteran OL.
Pugh will be fine.
A Keurig should be the only Brewer on the Giants; Mosley can mosey along, Herman the munster and the rest can go find real jobs.
We don't know what we have in Richburg  
SHO'NUFF : 12/6/2014 5:09 pm : link
because the coaching staff keeps trotting bitch ass Walton out to start a Center!!!
Coaches see him every day  
JonC : 12/6/2014 5:12 pm : link
and playing OG is basically a promotion of sorts, not a negative.
speaking of coaches, #1 priority before we sign anybody else  
SHO'NUFF : 12/6/2014 5:16 pm : link
Fire Flaherty.
RE: And what are we basing the Pugh to G stuff?  
AnishPatel : 12/6/2014 5:28 pm : link
In comment 12020493 drkenneth said:
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He's never played G, and as noted above- He's not a power player, and he needs to be inside.

I see Pugh as odd man out if we select someone like Scherff and sign a G. I agree with JonC that he needs to earn a spot.


I think the draft people were saying they see him as a versatile guy. So perhaps that's why fans think he would be a good fit there. I know the short arms thing took off here and people would photoshop some funny pictures. So perhaps that attribute along with some athletic ability to move would be a reason.

I haven't seen him ever play the position, so I wouldn't give him the benefit of doubt until i actually see play it and excel at guard.
RE: RE: And what are we basing the Pugh to G stuff?  
Bill in UT : 12/6/2014 5:40 pm : link
In comment 12020553 AnishPatel said:
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I haven't seen him ever play the position, so I wouldn't give him the benefit of doubt until i actually see play it and excel at guard.


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I don't see an issue with considering Pugh at G ...  
Beer Man : 12/6/2014 6:16 pm : link
Generally in a draft the most elite G's are drafted in early rounds, but after that many teams draft the more agile college tackles to play guard at the next level.
If we finish 3-13 and have the say #4 pick.....  
SGMen : 12/6/2014 6:41 pm : link
And we can go OT in round 1, I would still not be surprised if we went OG in round 2. This OL needs a lot of work.

I do see the starting unit right now, realistically, as
Beatty, Schwartz, Richburg, UFA, Pugh. That means three bodies for the OL to build around while Eli is still young enough to work with.
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