Amari Cooper

against the very best NCAA competition.

I can tell you're only a casual observer

after all this thing this years WR class is doing, people are going to jump on him.

is how polished he already is. This just isn't an athlete coming into the league. He understands routes, concepts, plays in a pro style offense, can play outside or in the slot. This on top of natural hands and doesn't just have a burst but an explosive first step.

People say he's the best WR since Julio Jones at Alabama but I think he's better. Cris Carter said he's the best they've had since Ozzie Newsome. That's high praise.

It's early but he reminds me of Jeremy Maclin

I think the Giants are crazy if they do not draft a lineman on either side of the ball or an impact defender. They already have a dynamic WR and possibly two if Cruz comes back.

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He's a cant miss prospect and IMO, will be the best player in the draft next year. As much as I enjoyed winning yesterday, it likely cost us a chance to get him.

Probably the best college player. Will go in the first 5 picks. Amazing all around player.

In comment 12023933 bigblue12 said:

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I think the Giants are crazy if they do not draft a lineman on either side of the ball or an impact defender. They already have a dynamic WR and possibly two if Cruz comes back.

BPA...

is the only guy I'd want more than a trade down, although Cooper would be close, and I would certainly support the pick. But we really need to fix both lines more than anything else. A trade down would also give us more picks, something we need because Reese and Ross have been so atrocious. But as others have said, it's moot because neither will be around when we pick.

that it can score plenty of points when the line gives Eli time and the RB's holes. The defense also has shown that they cannot stop anybody but the Titans. Not sure how a first round WR solves the problem. Beckham is AMAZING and they have a worse record than last year.

I buy into the top 5 hype and that he's gonna be the best guy in the NFL in a year or two. Excellent WR, no doubt, tho. They just used him for dinks all day Sat. If you'd never watched before, you might have thought that he wasn't even the best WR on the team. Deandrew White had a nice game.

absolutely should draft him if he's available. BPA who happens to be in a premium position.

Could you imagine if we got him and hit on an early rd OL afterwards and a FA interior lineman? Rebuild the OL AND give Eli Beckham Jr, Cooper and Cruz, all cost controlled for 3 more years.

In comment 12023933 bigblue12 said:

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I think the Giants are crazy if they do not draft a lineman on either side of the ball or an impact defender. They already have a dynamic WR and possibly two if Cruz comes back.

here's the thing. .. is there a good enough guard prospect to draft around 5-8? You can get a good one at the top of the second.

but I would imagine that there will be an edge rusher. Even if JPP stays, this team desperately needs more pash rush.

that runs fantastic routes with great hands against top competition, than I don't know what to tell you.

The thought of him and Beckham makes my salivate. I can picture both lining up as H-Backs and running wild all over the field. The possibilities would be endless if we have them and the McAdoo playbook is unleashed.

In comment 12023933 bigblue12 said:

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I think the Giants are crazy if they do not draft a lineman on either side of the ball or an impact defender. They already have a dynamic WR and possibly two if Cruz comes back.

The Giants' roster is full of holes; they need players, period. BPA. They need pretty much anything but a top QB prospect. Guards can be had in the 2nd.

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but I would imagine that there will be an edge rusher. Even if JPP stays, this team desperately needs more pash rush.

the DL or OL worthy of going that high will probably be gone at 7...

is their OL going to be available at that pick? asbolutely but none are blue chip cant miss prospects..

When you draft that high you dont pass BPA except QB....

that was the first time I've seen him play, like I said I rarely watch college football.

we have one playmaker.. and one who might never be the player he was.. thats enough...

and Cooper will be gone when we pick. Those are the only players right now that I would consider at #7. Nobody else is worth more than a trade down and an extra pick or two. The problem is that it's always hard to trade down, but somebody really might want a pick in the top ten. Do I think the Giants will do so? No, unfortunately me guess is that we'll simply stay put.

when it has been explained so many times..

You need a team willing to trade up.. and give you the value of what you want..

AND you need to have several players of similar value grouped together in the place where you will be picking in the hopes of getting one of them at that spot..

you dont want to trade down and then totally MISS OUT players you might want..

Thats the key..

when it has been explained so many times..

You need a team willing to trade up.. and give you the value of what you want..

AND you need to have several players of similar value grouped together in the place where you will be picking in the hopes of getting one of them at that spot..

you dont want to trade down and then totally MISS OUT players you might want..

Thats the key..

And I hope it's a DE or OT, we need some big nasties.

WR could certainly be viewed as a need, plan for the worst and hope for the best re: Cruz is a smart strategy, and fits into the premium positions philosophy. But I want the big edge monster.

He's just repeating his stance of trying to do so.

Outside of Beckham, there's Cruz (with the huge question mark of his knee) and........exactly nobody else.

So how would Cooper be an unnecessary pick, if the Giants were to draft him? Even if Cruz's knee comes all the way back, how many of us would be upset to see Beckham and Cooper on the outside and a healthy Cruz in the slot?

another one of the great BBI myths.

"I'd trade down."

Uh-huh.

focusing on needs if players are close.

Secondly, I wouldn't put WR on the "need" list--not for the first round if we were instead going to go after a position where we are filling positions where we need multiple bodies--like the Oline.

We have a variety of positions to fill, a free agency period before the draft, and an holistic approach to the whole team.

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that it can score plenty of points when the line gives Eli time and the RB's holes. The defense also has shown that they cannot stop anybody but the Titans. Not sure how a first round WR solves the problem. Beckham is AMAZING and they have a worse record than last year.

They also have 20 players on IR, including virtually all of the level 1 and level 2 defensive backs, a planned building block for the OL, and their only other really competent receiver.

Nothing overwhelming physically yet great college production and pro polish. I could see him slipping.

I don't suspect we'll have any chance at drafting Coop but if we do, you take him and run in a millisecond. He and OBJ plus Cruz (if he can get back to what he was or close) would be a fucking nightmare for defenses.

Cooper has no injury to scare teams off and he's putting up huge numbers for an SEC team. Neither of which were true for Lee. Cooper is very clearly a better prospect than Lee was really at any point.

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And I hope it's a DE or OT, we need some big nasties. WR could certainly be viewed as a need, plan for the worst and hope for the best re: Cruz is a smart strategy, and fits into the premium positions philosophy. But I want the big edge monster.

It's possible that they'll be able to get a reasonably good early read on how Cruz is doing by the time the draft rolls around. I suppose that could potentially influence who they'll be looking at, but traditionally they go BPA with pick one.

This year, and depending on where they wind up drafting, I'd say a DE is the most likely type to fit their preferences, so you may be a happy fella.

In comment 12024048 chris r said:

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Nothing overwhelming physically yet great college production and pro polish. I could see him slipping.

Why would he slip?

I also think Cooper will be gone when we pick, and no other WR will contend for the value when we pick where we will be picking in this draft.

I think there are some intriguing young FA WR's that will be available this off-season that the Giants should consider. I like Cobb, Maclin, Bryant, Torrey Smith I would all take in a heart beat to the most affordable one of the bunch. I think you have to factor Cruz out going into the off-season where anything he may provide is bonus.

If Jaelen Strong is there in the 2nd I'd take him although I find that to be unlikely. I do think Green-Beckham will be there in the 2nd and would be a bit of a risk, but what he brings as a player would be as or more incredible than Cooper.

In comment 12024062 drkenneth said:

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In comment 12024048 chris r said: Quote: Nothing overwhelming physically yet great college production and pro polish. I could see him slipping. Why would he slip?

Barring injury, he wouldn't and he won't. He's going to be one of the best players in the entire draft.

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when it has been explained so many times.. You need a team willing to trade up.. and give you the value of what you want.. AND you need to have several players of similar value grouped together in the place where you will be picking in the hopes of getting one of them at that spot.. you dont want to trade down and then totally MISS OUT players you might want.. Thats the key..

I do understand. If you can't find a trade partner, then that's it. If you can, you drop back to a spot with a few players in the range of the new spot where you will be picking. Several of the players I like should be available in the late teens or twenties. Teams trade up and down all the time.

and we don't know how Coopers pro day or combine goes (if he goes). So much can happen between now and the draft and since Watkins was way more touted than Cooper is, I have a hard time believing we won't be close to getting Cooper assuming we pick in the top 10 still.

Completely writing off the possibility is ridiculous.

we need big time players. We just got one. Do it again and give teams fits somewhere on the field. Get a stud that has to be accounted for.

was clearly to stop Cooper with two guys the entire game. That's what he bring to the table on the collegiate level. If we are talking comparisons, I think he compares favorably with Andre Johnson.

It is conceivable that Cooper could slip. The reasons for slipping are many - off the field issues, poor combine showing, sub-par post-season play (including senior bowl, etc.), any hint of injury.

Players also slip because other players rise. What causes that?

Superb combine results, post-season play, and great agents who know how to sell their clients.

It is definitely conceivable that Cooper could slip. The real question is how far could he conceivably slip?

had about 25 pounds and more than an inch on Cooper coming out of college. I'm guessing Cooper will measure in at about just under 6'1 and 210. That's very good size for today's NFL - and although he may not run the fastest 40 - he is so smooth in and out of breaks and routes. He's a great player.

Reese and company stay with their best player available routine and Cooper is amazingly still there, the Giants will sprint to the podium.

If this was last year's class, yes. This year, no. Not only on talent but needs as well. Every team ahead of us in the draft order has a serious need for a WR with the exception of Washington. They have other needs as well, which explains their records but every team can't pass on a talent like him. Cooper broke Julio Jones's records for yards and receptions when they played LSU. He's played four games since then with one more to go. Jones of course went 6th in the draft. Barring injury or something unforeseen, I just can't see it happening. He's that good.

nad trade him for picks.

still #7. But a loss vs Titans would have moved them to 6th I think.

similar to last year when we moved down with those wins.

That said, Cooper is still possible unless you think he will be top 3 like Watkins, which I don't. He's probably in that 5-7 range right now if I took a wild guess.

In comment 12024071 arcarsenal said:

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In comment 12024062 drkenneth said: Quote: In comment 12024048 chris r said: Quote: Nothing overwhelming physically yet great college production and pro polish. I could see him slipping. Why would he slip? Barring injury, he wouldn't and he won't. He's going to be one of the best players in the entire draft.

Let me borrow that crystal ball.

What overwhelming ability does he have? Not the size athleticism combo of Jones and Green, not the strength, acceleration, speed combo of Watkins, on the elite size of Evans.

Players slip when they're injured, have bad combines or off field issues. Unless Cooper gets hurt, I don't see any reason to believe he'll slide very far on draft day.

Teams see how much impact this rookie class had right out of the gates. They're going to trust the tape more than ever on a guy like Cooper. He's a top 10 pick unless he runs out there and tears his ACL next week. I can guarantee it.

radar, I'd be surprised if you've seen more than 10 seconds of this player. Just stop it. We both know you've barely seen him play.

He's an outstanding talent. He has very good hands, he's smooth in and out of his breaks. He plays strong, he has legitimate downfield speed and he's good in the open field. He's a complete player and he's productive. Just because he's not the biggest or strongest guy doesn't mean shit. If you spend any amount of time watching it, it's obvious.

You "could see him slipping" is based on nothing but your own bullshit conjecture as per usual. You have nothing to support that, it's just you doing what you do.

No telling how good, or how quick to adjust, a rookie WR would be. We cant be confident Cruz will be back at or near 100%. We need someone opposite OBJ that can take advantage of the attention he gets. Wont feel very comfortable relying on a rookie.

If the Giants pick up a decent WR & OG in FA (which I think both are a must), then I'm fine with anybody they pick, as long it good value/not a reach

Eli comes out of a 'big win' banged up and people still keep downplaying how important it is to fix the OL because they're distracted by the latest shiny object.

you can address the other needs through different avenues, but BBC is too obtuse to pick up on that.

In comment 12024055 arcarsenal said:

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Cooper has no injury to scare teams off and he's putting up huge numbers for an SEC team. Neither of which were true for Lee. Cooper is very clearly a better prospect than Lee was really at any point.

Arc,

I hope we can draft him. Put him next to OBJ and let's see how things work then. Add OL and perhaps this offense can turn the corner in year 2.

this front office to accurately or correctly use those avenues.

In comment 12024060 BMac said:

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In comment 12024007 JonC said: Quote: And I hope it's a DE or OT, we need some big nasties. WR could certainly be viewed as a need, plan for the worst and hope for the best re: Cruz is a smart strategy, and fits into the premium positions philosophy. But I want the big edge monster. It's possible that they'll be able to get a reasonably good early read on how Cruz is doing by the time the draft rolls around. I suppose that could potentially influence who they'll be looking at, but traditionally they go BPA with pick one. This year, and depending on where they wind up drafting, I'd say a DE is the most likely type to fit their preferences, so you may be a happy fella.

Understood and agreed. I like Gregory's potential and he's got the frame for more weight, but wonder if he or Shane Ray will hold up well at 4-3 DE.

is the route running and ball skills. This is the best and most consistent route runner I've seen since I began scouting. Only 5-6 years but out of all the great WRs that have come out recently, Cooper is the best at getting himself open running crisp routes. Throw in the 4.45 caliber speed and 4.2 caliber short shuttle quickness, this guy can get open on almost every play against a lone defender.

His ball skills are Larry Fitzgerald-esque and I hope people realize how special that is. Fitz doesn't get the national publicity that he deserves and he is on the back end of his career now. But how they attack the ball at their apex of their leap time after time after time is a rare skill to find.

My only knock against Cooper is he has a hard time staying healthy. He plays so hard all the time and takes a lot of hits...a losto of those ankle/knee/shoulder tweaks that come out of trying to earn the extra yard. Not a bad thing...but it's a minor red flag.

Besides that...Cooper is a 90+...which means he is an elite prospect that will end up being one of the top 3-6 grades in this entire class.

does that mean we'd dump OBJ after 2 more years? For the money, we may be better off looking elsewhere than WR.

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does that mean we'd dump OBJ after 2 more years? For the money, we may be better off looking elsewhere than WR.

This makes no sense whatsoever. Literally none.

give up on that idea. I just don't see him dropping to wherever the Giants select.

In comment 12024252 JonC said:

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In comment 12024060 BMac said: Quote: In comment 12024007 JonC said: Quote: And I hope it's a DE or OT, we need some big nasties. WR could certainly be viewed as a need, plan for the worst and hope for the best re: Cruz is a smart strategy, and fits into the premium positions philosophy. But I want the big edge monster. It's possible that they'll be able to get a reasonably good early read on how Cruz is doing by the time the draft rolls around. I suppose that could potentially influence who they'll be looking at, but traditionally they go BPA with pick one. This year, and depending on where they wind up drafting, I'd say a DE is the most likely type to fit their preferences, so you may be a happy fella. Understood and agreed. I like Gregory's potential and he's got the frame for more weight, but wonder if he or Shane Ray will hold up well at 4-3 DE.

That is, indeed, the question. Unfortunately, there's only really one way to get a definitive answer. It's a long time until the draft, however, so I expect many changes in who's hot, who's not, and who pops up out of the tall grass.

and I couldn't be happier. That's what we have to look for next spring. Whatever position he plays, we can find a way to use an impact player. Go bpa!

that will have a long career and put up HOF numbers if he pans out. Tough bastard. Take a look around the league at some of the top consistent receivers, they start out steady and keep consistently producing to the point you can't stop them any longer. Cooper seems to be like that. Plenty of flash in the pan receivers out there that look good the first few years and then die off in hype or get jacked up like some whiny girl (Desean Jackson, etc). So many of these NFL receivers don't have the toughness attribute, Cooper seems to.

or a player with his talents is that he will actually make our line better. If you have two outside threats that usually leaves one guy less in the box. Our QB excels at making adjustments at the line, so making the correct call becomes easier for us. Look at 2011. Nicks was a feared WR and with the breakout season Cruz had, teams had to pick their poison. When they doubled Nicks, Cruz went off. In the playoffs when they doubled Cruz, Nicks went insane. Having two guys who a defense has to respect every play makes life a little easier for your line. That 11' line was not good at all and yet the outside threats masked some of that. I'm all for upgrading our interior line, but if a guy like that falls to us(and I agree it would take a miracle) then you take him and instantly upgrade your offense. BTW, he is a pretty good run blocker.

If he is there when they pick you run to the podium to get him. The only other guy I am running to get is Williams.

You do not draft a OL just to draft one. There are no edge rushers who are that good who can play every down in the NFL next year. The 2 top 4-3 DE are 245lb players who are not good against the run.

In comment 12024055 arcarsenal said:

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Cooper has no injury to scare teams off and he's putting up huge numbers for an SEC team. Neither of which were true for Lee. Cooper is very clearly a better prospect than Lee was really at any point.

True, but Cooper hasn't exactly been the most durable in his Alabama career. He was injured for most of 2013

Lets focus on bigger areas of need.