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Eli 2014 Pace 4111 yds, 28 TDs, 16 INTS, 62.9% CP

BP in NJ : 12/9/2014 3:09 pm
All things considered, you have to be optimistic about his play going forward. That's solid production given the pathetic OL he's had to play behind. Not to mention, a virtually nonexistent running game.

Call me crazy, but I legitimately think the offense could be dangerous next season. I've been encouraged by both backs, and obviously #13. They probably need one more starting caliber WR(Cruz insurance), but if the OL is seriously addressed, I have some hope for the offense in 2015.

Just like  
Josh in the City : 12/9/2014 3:13 pm : link
the last three offseasons, it will come down to how well we're able to address this shitty offensive line.
I don't like to get all hung up on stats  
djm : 12/9/2014 3:14 pm : link
but I think this is a huge huge plus. Let's be honest the passing game was a disaster last year. Even if you are absolutely convinced Eli is not the problem, you had to be a little nervous about #10 coming off the 2013 season. It was ugly. We know Eli is Eli...and he's not gonna care about numbers but last year was scary bad. To see Eli come back this season and put up nice numbers is refreshing to say the least.

We found a monster in Beckham. Some RB depth and maybe a decent TE in Donnell...hopefully Pugh and Richburg show progress here down the stretch...looks like we are stable at LT....so some good points to this year that we can apply going forward, but nothing is bigger than Eli playing well and getting some of his mojo back.
RE: Just like  
section125 : 12/9/2014 3:14 pm : link
In comment 12026133 Josh in the City said:
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the last three offseasons, it will come down to how well we're able to address this shitty offensive line.


Clean up the line and the offense will be very good.
I think guard and #2 threat (WR or TE) are the big needs on offense.  
bceagle05 : 12/9/2014 3:16 pm : link
I hope Cobb is a big target for us in FA. Knows the system and can excel in place of Cruz or with him. Green Bay paid Jordy and drafted Davonte Adams - Cobb may be a luxury they can't afford. I'd love for the Giants to pounce.
Yep  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/9/2014 3:20 pm : link
People should be embarrassed for putting this season on him. That is probably his 3rd best statical season to date.

And unlike in 2012 when his season's stats were inflated by a 5 TD performance in a meaningless game against Philly, this year his stats took a hit in a 5 INT performance in a (mostly) meaningless game against San Fran.
And to add one other note  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/9/2014 3:23 pm : link
I actually feel bad for people with the very legitimate suggestion that Eli's cap hit is too much and we really need him to take a pay cut.

It's true. We have a crazy amount of holes to fill and we can't afford to have Eli continue to make what he was. But this would not be a punitive measure and would have almost nothing to do with his level of play, short of the fact that he's being paid by the #1 QB in the NFL when he's playing like #7.
paid *like  
Mike in Long Beach : 12/9/2014 3:23 pm : link
The number 1 QB in the NFL.
All we need is two guards, and an LT and we're all set!  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/9/2014 3:24 pm : link
Just kidding. Someone on the current roster has to be good enough for one of the guard positions, right? Schwartz?

I think they can work Richburg at center. Beatty is serviceable. An optimist might say he should be better the second year after a major injury too.

But the skills players, especially the receivers, will be good. Cruz in the slot, Beckham on the outside, who do you double? I'd like to see them get a bigger possession guy (someone built like Boldin).

Still need a TE that can block adequately and play in this offense. Not a superstar.
And he has done that with one legit WR  
montanagiant : 12/9/2014 3:25 pm : link
and a bunch of roster filling types
....  
yankees78 : 12/9/2014 3:26 pm : link
StArT NaSsIb
Heres something that nobody seems to talk about  
gmen9892 : 12/9/2014 3:31 pm : link
Eli has not had 2 above-average receiving targets playing at the same time since 2011. Not even talking about just WR's either. Watching Nicks play last Sunday only solidified my point. The guy is simply not an NFL WR anymore. He is flat-out terrible.

2012: Nicks gets hurt the 2nd game of the season, never the same since. You have Cruz, and a banged up Bennett. Thats it.
2013: Horrible Nicks, Cruz misses the last 2 games of the season. NO TE.
2014: Missed OBJ the first 4 games of the season. VC goes out in the 6th game of the season. Donnell is an average target at best.

The guy has simply been handed a shitty deck of cards since his amazing 2011 season. You give this guy 2 solid targets all season long, and a semblance of a good line, and he will produce.
Not even mentioning  
gmen9892 : 12/9/2014 3:33 pm : link
The horrific OL's that have been trotted out there since 2010.
yep  
djm : 12/9/2014 3:43 pm : link
I don't even care if the Giants merely add a solid WR to play alongside BEckham, just add a legit player. Doesn't have to be the greatest WR prospect ever or a super shiny FA WR. We just need a good player out there. A guy Eli can depend on.

Torrey Smith is a FA....
Eli Manning  
rocco8112 : 12/9/2014 3:44 pm : link
is a great Quarterback.

Enjoy it while it lasts.

I know I will.

Hopefully the team improves and the Giants stop wasting seasons from the best Giants QB I will likely see in my lifetime.
^^^^^^^  
djm : 12/9/2014 3:44 pm : link
although Smith may in fact be shiny...I don't think he's super shiny. Could be a nice under the radar signing but who knows if the Ravens even allow this guy to test the market.

There's also Julius Thomas at TE...that's shiny.
To me the worst-case scenario OL will be something like  
bceagle05 : 12/9/2014 3:46 pm : link
Beatty-Schwartz-Richburg-Franklin(FA)-Pugh, with a second or third round interior OL for solid depth. If they want to go above and beyond and take a tackle in the top 10 AND sign a FA guard, be my guest. I'd love it.
most dissapointing stat.....  
BillKo : 12/9/2014 3:51 pm : link
would be that completion %. I'd like to see it get around 65-66% by season's end. Eli has had some exceptional games in that regard.

A good year, better than I expected esp from what we saw in the preseason, and subsequent injuries abounding.
I really  
NYBEN : 12/9/2014 3:59 pm : link
believe they need to draft 2 WR's and a speedy RB with good hands that can also return kicks and punt.
RE: I really  
gmen9892 : 12/9/2014 4:08 pm : link
In comment 12026283 NYBEN said:
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believe they need to draft 2 WR's and a speedy RB with good hands that can also return kicks and punt.


Depending on where we pick them, that is allocating way too many picks to the offensive side of the ball. Need a MAJOR overhaul on defense and I would much rather shore that side of the ball up first, then maybe take a late round flyer on a WR and RB.
RE: I think guard and #2 threat (WR or TE) are the big needs on offense.  
giantgiantfan : 12/9/2014 4:31 pm : link
In comment 12026147 bceagle05 said:
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I hope Cobb is a big target for us in FA. Knows the system and can excel in place of Cruz or with him. Green Bay paid Jordy and drafted Davonte Adams - Cobb may be a luxury they can't afford. I'd love for the Giants to pounce.


We definitely need to bring in some help at WR since Cruz can't be trusted with his injury and Randle can't be trusted with his play. Need a legit #2 do excel when the ODB is doubled next year. Cobb might be a luxury we can't afford since he'll be coming off an 80+ catch, 10+ TD, 1000+ yard season... Those are Eric Decker numbers from a year ago when he received a $36 million / 5 year deal with $15 million guaranteed. Not back breaking, but given the holes we have I rather pick up a top guard and then spend a top pick on a RT who can be backup T/G in year one and another pick on a pure G/C in the draft.
amazing to put up those numbers behind such a crap OL  
oipolloi : 12/9/2014 4:40 pm : link
there were literally long stretches of games where every time he dropped back to pass, he had one or more unblocked pass rushers bearing down on him
So I guess  
SanFranGiantsFan : 12/9/2014 4:43 pm : link
Reports of Eli's demise were exaggerated?
RE: And to add one other note  
JerryNYG : 12/9/2014 5:12 pm : link
In comment 12026175 Mike in Long Beach said:
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short of the fact that he's being paid by the #1 QB in the NFL when he's playing like #7.


While it is true that Eli's 2014 cap hit of $20.4 million is tops in the league, his overall deal is only the 12th largest contract for QBs in terms of average per year value.

This is why an extension to spread the pain over more years would be a good idea IF we need the cap room. As of right now, it looks like we are going to be way under the cap next year, especially if it goes up as much as projected. Our current cap figure for next year is about $122 million, that is without cutting or extending anyone. The cap this year was $130 and is projected to be $140 million next year PLUS whatever increase is tied to the new revenues coming from the Thursday Night Football deal (which has been estimated at an additional $4 - $5 million to the cap).

Of course, all that aside, I would argue that extending Eli is the right thing to do regardless of the cap situation. He is a franchise QB with an obvious skill set who has a demonstrated ability to win the big game. I would think that about 15 - 20 teams in this league would be ready to sign on for that right this second.
Where's MoM  
JoeyBigBlue : 12/9/2014 5:18 pm : link
Telling us that those are really average numbers in today's NFL. But then harping on Cam Newton's potential greatness.
the bar has been raised higher  
HomerJones45 : 12/9/2014 5:30 pm : link
Incredibly, that is shaping up to be a league average year.

Eli is currently the 18th ranked qb in the NFL. His completion percentage is ranked 19th. Yards and td's 11th. There are probably going to be 11 or 12 qb's with 4000 yards and at least 3 with 40 td's.

The passing stats this season are out of this world.
Average numbers  
chilly460 : 12/9/2014 6:43 pm : link
As others stated, he's mid tier in the new NFL. Fully understand the line and injuries at skilled positions have hurt him, but he also benefits from garbage time stats gained when the game is out of hand.
Its not worth arguing with the people  
dep026 : 12/9/2014 6:46 pm : link
who shit on Eli no matter what he does. You can find stats that are for or against him in any situation.

I remember reading an article a few years ago saying a good way to judge a QB is take his best/worst game and throw them out. There is always a game where a QB plays way over his head and a game where he just stinks. If we took out the Wash/SF game... Eli would be at:

17 TDs
7 INTs
250 yards Per game.

Considering he has been without Cruz for the majority of the year, no reliable number 2. Inconsistent tight ends. A terrible OL.... those are too bad of numbers. Also throw in the fact his receivers still have only 30 YACs on his 23 TDs is still absolutely incredible.

When you break it down. Compare his play from last year to this year. Has he been better? Yes. Will he continue to get better with McAdoo and a year under his belt. Yes. Get Cruz healthy, a more reliable number 2 WR, and a steady OL.... and he will be the reason we get back to the playoffs.
Even if he is mid-tier this year, with this line, running game  
PatersonPlank : 12/9/2014 6:47 pm : link
and WR Corp that is quite a good season. Compare the teams around Eli to the teams around the other top 10 guys.
RE: Average numbers  
dep026 : 12/9/2014 6:49 pm : link
In comment 12026620 chilly460 said:
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As others stated, he's mid tier in the new NFL. Fully understand the line and injuries at skilled positions have hurt him, but he also benefits from garbage time stats gained when the game is out of hand.


Other than the Colts game.... tell me 1 game where he padded his stats. Actually you would find his stats while trailing (blowouts, as you say) are actually much worse than when he has the lead or when its tied. Actually his stats in blowouts And then show me ONE QB who hasnt padded his stats in a blowout this year.
The organization has failed Eli more than he has ever failed them  
steve in ky : 12/9/2014 6:54 pm : link
A two time Super Bowl MVP and yet he continually has had poor blocking, weak run support and limited talent to throw to.
Just give the guy credit  
Bake54 : 12/9/2014 7:04 pm : link
for bouncing back from an awful season last year. He's doing pretty good not great. He's certainly a middle tier QB right now. Perhaps slightly above that.

That being said, he is only a problem insofar as he is eating a ton of cap space. Get him a new deal which reflects his performance and move on to fix other, more urgently needed, parts of the team.
...  
christian : 12/9/2014 7:12 pm : link
I think the bottom line is Manning is a notch below the upper echelon guys. His brother, Rodgers and Brady. Those guys *make* great players out of good players and good players out of average. Conversely Manning is made great by good players and good by average players. That is not a knock on him, that is the long, tested truth of the NFL.

Career wise Manning absolutely reminds me of Jim Kelly and adjusted for era I think the numbers would be right there. Kelly was a very good, tough QB, who had a number of great years surrounded by good talent. I also think it's fair to say Kelly elevated the success of the core of that team.

I absolutely hate Manning didn't get more prime years of Cruz and Nicks. That had the makings of special, special football. So much more than Burress and Toomer.
Anybody ever notice...  
Britt in VA : 12/9/2014 7:24 pm : link
when people mention the "upper echelon" guys, they don't really include Brees in that list anymore?

It used to be Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and then everybody else.

Now it's always Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and then everybody else.

Just an observation.
and it's weird,  
Britt in VA : 12/9/2014 7:27 pm : link
because his stats reflect it.

Yet, he still goes mostly unmentioned.
RE: Anybody ever notice...  
BrettNYG10 : 12/9/2014 7:31 pm : link
In comment 12026674 Britt in VA said:
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when people mention the "upper echelon" guys, they don't really include Brees in that list anymore?

It used to be Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and then everybody else.

Now it's always Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and then everybody else.

Just an observation.


I noticed that as well. I always thought Brees was always at the top of the 'second tier' rather than in a conversation with Brady, Manning, and Rodgers.

And Rodgers may need his own category.

On Eli - I went into the season not expecting us to do much as a team, but hoping Eli would prove he isn't done. I didn't think he was, but would admit to being concerned after a season and a half of mediocre to terrible play. He's proven that he's able to perform very well under bad circumstances. Fix the line, get him another weapon and maybe we can make the playoffs over the next two years.
RE: and it's weird,  
dep026 : 12/9/2014 7:31 pm : link
In comment 12026679 Britt in VA said:
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because his stats reflect it.

Yet, he still goes mostly unmentioned.


Because he isnt as good as the top guys and really hasnt been for a few years. He will always put up yards and TDs because thats the offense. But there have been many games this year alone where he has put them in a position to flat out lose a game.
RE: ^^^^^^^  
arcarsenal : 12/9/2014 7:38 pm : link
In comment 12026252 djm said:
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although Smith may in fact be shiny...I don't think he's super shiny. Could be a nice under the radar signing but who knows if the Ravens even allow this guy to test the market.

There's also Julius Thomas at TE...that's shiny.


Pass on Julius Thomas. I think he's a good player but largely a product of an offense that makes it impossible for defenses to give him extra attention. I don't think he'd put up the same gaudy scoring numbers here.
RE: Average numbers  
map7711 : 12/9/2014 7:38 pm : link
In comment 12026620 chilly460 said:
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As others stated, he's mid tier in the new NFL. Fully understand the line and injuries at skilled positions have hurt him, but he also benefits from garbage time stats gained when the game is out of hand.


Shoot me w guys like this. My word.
..  
christian : 12/9/2014 7:43 pm : link
In my mind Brees isn't there, and I honestly don't know why. The guy drops 5000k seasons routinely and holds a handful of really impressive records. I think with him it's a question of whether he is transcendent and pulls guys up. I tend to think he's a the top of the second tier. You don't see the top guys play below .500 ball, even when they don't have top talent.

In another era Brees would potentially be the best in the NFL, but right it's nuts to have 2 top 5 and potentially another top 10 all time guys in the league.
Isnt Torrey Smith a FA  
dep026 : 12/9/2014 7:58 pm : link
there may be a guy who wont demand big $$$$ but will instantly upgrade the offense if we dont get Cooper.
He needs to cut down on those stupid WTF INTs  
SHO'NUFF : 12/9/2014 8:07 pm : link
and stop fumbling so god damn much. That last INT was like "oh well, it don't matter what offense Eli is in...he can't help himself" sickening.
RE: ...  
JCin332 : 12/9/2014 8:46 pm : link
In comment 12026665 christian said:
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I think the bottom line is Manning is a notch below the upper echelon guys. His brother, Rodgers and Brady. Those guys *make* great players out of good players and good players out of average. Conversely Manning is made great by good players and good by average players. That is not a knock on him, that is the long, tested truth of the NFL.


See I totally disagree with this..Peyton, Brady and Rodgers have all had better offensive weapons and better defenses over the course of their careers..

What players that Eli has played with have made him great? On the contrary he has won 2 SB's with much weaker supporting casts than all 3 of those guys..
Some will praise Eli no matter how much he screws up  
mamamia : 12/9/2014 10:08 pm : link
and others will rip him no matter how well he does. I am not afraid of moving on and am willing to accept the risk. I worry about his aging and physical limitations. His throwing motion is not real fluid and his footwork is poor. Age should further erode it
RE: Some will praise Eli no matter how much he screws up  
Britt in VA : 12/9/2014 10:11 pm : link
In comment 12026910 mamamia said:
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and others will rip him no matter how well he does. I am not afraid of moving on and am willing to accept the risk. I worry about his aging and physical limitations. His throwing motion is not real fluid and his footwork is poor. Age should further erode it


I disagree. His footwork is brand new for the first time in a decade. McAdoo changed it.

I have seen zero indication that he still can't make EVERY throw.
SHO said it best  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 12/10/2014 7:11 am : link
Eli needs to cut out these stupid INT's that make us all scratch ours heads and learn how to take a sack with out fumbling it all the time.

He has been good no doubt this year with what he has to work with... but he also has missed a good number of throws that could have been TD's or big completions.... Throws that the upper echelon QB's make in their sleep.

You Forgot  
Mendenhall : 12/10/2014 7:49 am : link
the most important stat - wins. He is going to have about 5 of those. Unacceptable.
RE: You Forgot  
dep026 : 12/10/2014 8:04 am : link
In comment 12027126 Mendenhall said:
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the most important stat - wins. He is going to have about 5 of those. Unacceptable.


Amazing when eli wins 2 super bowl, it was the team. Now that they suck it's eli with only 5 wins.

Just sad.
When you are usually playing from behind  
silverfox : 12/10/2014 9:19 am : link
...the stats are inflated.
RE: When you are usually playing from behind  
dep026 : 12/10/2014 9:26 am : link
In comment 12027247 silverfox said:
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...the stats are inflated.


One game. Thats it.
I am a big Eli Manning supporter  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/10/2014 9:27 am : link
but those numbers actually are pretty average if you look at passers in the NFL today.

I like that he got his completion percentage up though.

Ints are high but he always throws a lot of them
On Brees  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/10/2014 9:31 am : link
In comment 12026674 Britt in VA said:
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when people mention the "upper echelon" guys, they don't really include Brees in that list anymore?

It used to be Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and then everybody else.

Now it's always Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and then everybody else.

Just an observation.


Brees is 6th in TDs, 3rd in yardage, and 7th in passer rating in a pretty down year for him. Still pretty strong. It's just that Luck is having a breakout season and Rivers is having a career year.
Imagine if our coach  
dep026 : 12/10/2014 9:42 am : link
didnt insist on a run game, how much better Eli's "stats" would be?

Giants are 9th in the NFL in attempts per game
Giants are 26th in YPG in the the NFL.

So not only do we run it a lot more than other teams, but also much more unsuccessfully. You would think a team that is 4-9 wouldnt run it as much....

Where as...

The Giants are 12th in the NFl in pass attempts per game
The Giants are 13th in the NFL in passing yards per game.

Seems to me that if Eli threw as much as other teams, he'd probably be higher in both TD/s and yards....
RE: SHO said it best  
JCin332 : 12/10/2014 9:50 am : link
In comment 12027113 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Eli needs to cut out these stupid INT's that make us all scratch ours heads and learn how to take a sack with out fumbling it all the time.

He has been good no doubt this year with what he has to work with... but he also has missed a good number of throws that could have been TD's or big completions.... Throws that the upper echelon QB's make in their sleep.


Pretty good discscussion on what you are saying going on here..

Bad things happen to good QB's.. - ( New Window )
RE: You Forgot  
gmen9892 : 12/10/2014 9:51 am : link
In comment 12027126 Mendenhall said:
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the most important stat - wins. He is going to have about 5 of those. Unacceptable.


I guess the fact that he is already 27th on the ALL-TIME list in wins means nothing. Lets just count this season where he is on a horrible team.
RE: On Brees  
Britt in VA : 12/10/2014 9:53 am : link
In comment 12027279 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 12026674 Britt in VA said:


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when people mention the "upper echelon" guys, they don't really include Brees in that list anymore?

It used to be Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers, and then everybody else.

Now it's always Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and then everybody else.

Just an observation.



Brees is 6th in TDs, 3rd in yardage, and 7th in passer rating in a pretty down year for him. Still pretty strong. It's just that Luck is having a breakout season and Rivers is having a career year.


Like I said, his stats continue to reflect it, but he still does not get mentioned in that top class anymore.
RE: Isnt Torrey Smith a FA  
djm : 12/10/2014 11:47 am : link
In comment 12026718 dep026 said:
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there may be a guy who wont demand big $$$$ but will instantly upgrade the offense if we dont get Cooper.


Yes he's a FA. HE's a good outside WR. Not elite maybe but damn good. I'd love him here with Beckham but I wonder if the Ravens let him walk. HE won't be cheap but he won't break the bank either.
Torrey Smith would be a great addition  
Sonic Youth : 12/10/2014 12:08 pm : link
Dez would break the bank but give us potentially the best WR corp in the league. Smith is a great alternative. Smith - Cruz - Bekham Jr is nothing to sneeze at and IMO is a top 10 unit in the league.

Of course, I greatly prefer having Amari Cooper cost controlled for a few seasons, but its looking more and more like Cooper won't fall to us.

Anyway, yes, unfortunately by today's standards that's a C+ or B- season for a QB (or maybe a B to be more accurate).

However, when you take into account what a disaster this team is along the line, and the fact that we are bereft of skill position players outside of Cruz and Beckham (who weren't on the field at the same time really at all this season outside of 1 game), I think it's a damn good season.

I'll tell you this much. Put Eli on a team like the Bears or Cowboys with those weapons, and he'd be tearing it up to the tune of 30+ TDs and 4,000+ yds. I actually don't think the INTs would be impacted. Eli throws picks, and it's not going to change at this point in his career.
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