Wow: Bears OC was anonymous source ripping Cutler in media

I've already conceded that Eli is the better QB. Oh yeah, you're too much of a child to see my posts otherwise. You were quick to pinpoint the reasons why Eli struggled last season, but fail to give other QB's the same.

is an above average QB who has elite toughness and ice in his veins in the clutch; he has a bias for action/taking chances. Cutler is an average QB who seems content to collect a rich paycheck and never really take the leap to greatness; he has a bias for doing what he's told and not much more.

Mike Shanahan got fired, but that was more due to his tenure getting stale with ownership. Bowlen wanted to go a different direction after 3 straight years of being between a 7 and 9 win team. Josh McDaniels flopped, but for some reason you like to say things that fly against the face of reason, such as him laying the foundation for Peyton coming to Denver. Lovie Smith, he's doing an awesome job in Tampa, right?

Down in Snyder-land, Jay Gruden the Head Coach rips RG3 almost daily in public and the media isn't demanding his resignation. Interesting.

In comment 12031435 FStubbs said:

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Down in Snyder-land, Jay Gruden the Head Coach rips RG3 almost daily in public and the media isn't demanding his resignation. Interesting.

Not even just the stuff from Gruden; there's been a lot of unnamed sources stuff out there about Griffin too.

Cutler gets the same deal and he basically gets painted a victim by most people and the media, while in Griffin's case, it's mostly just evidence of how he's fallen, has entitlement/attitude issues, and Washington is a coach-killing team because of Snyder.

position, and what happened here is a clear sign that that man is not right for that type of position. He'd be gone if it was my call.

There are times when coaches use the media to call out players, but it's subtle, and even when it's not so subtle it's upfront.

Something like this is such a clear lapse in judgement that anyone in the league would have to question why they would bring him on board if and when he gets the can.

No player will trust this man now. I wouldn't.

As a Giants fan in Chicago, our issues with Eli are nothing compared to the garbage show they have here. Cutler is just a flat out a terrible loser.

He's already paid, and could care less, which makes it even worse.

Josh McDaniels looked like he was crazy trying to get Cutler out of there. In hindsight, maybe he was on to something.

In comment 12037037 jcn56 said:

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Josh McDaniels looked like he was crazy trying to get Cutler out of there. In hindsight, maybe he was on to something.

He was as right about Cutler as he was wrong about Tebow.

Some saying about frying pan and fire comes to mind.

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In comment 12037037 jcn56 said: Quote: Josh McDaniels looked like he was crazy trying to get Cutler out of there. In hindsight, maybe he was on to something. He was as right about Cutler as he was wrong about Tebow. Some saying about frying pan and fire comes to mind.

both players would be a poor choice but for completely opposite reasons.

and all it cost them was 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick, a 3rd round pick, Kyle Orton, and $126 million....

CUTLERGATE!!!!

Josh McDaniels making that trade had nothing to do with laying the foundation for Peyton Manning...

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Following all of the Broncos' subsequent draft machinations requires enrolling in a night class for draftniks. Suffice to say the Broncos super-sized a package from the Bears that included two first-round draft picks and a third-round choice with quarterback Kyle Orton for Cutler and a fifth-rounder who turned out to be wide receiver Johnny Knox. Knox suffered a career-ending neck injury in 2011. To finagle a way to get Thomas and Decker in the 2010 draft, the Broncos (don't worry, there won't be a quiz): 1. Used the No. 11 overall pick from the Bears to trade down to No. 13 while adding a fourth-rounder (113th overall) from the 49ers that would come in handy. 2. Moved down further to No. 24 in exchange for the Eagles' Nos. 70 and 87 picks in the third round. 3. Sent the fourth-round choice the 49ers gave them to the Patriots to move back up in the first round to No. 22. 4. Kept the 22nd overall pick and selected Thomas. 5. Used the 87th pick acquired from the Eagles to draft Decker. You wonder if Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels realized the irony watching Thomas and Decker make plays in the AFC championship game to keep him from the Super Bowl. McDaniels was the Broncos head coach who clashed with Cutler enough to force the trade that eventually brought the receiving duo to Denver. Besides Thomas and Decker, who combined for 179 receptions for 2,718 yards and 25 touchdowns, the Broncos also used the Bears trade in the first round of the 2009 draft to take defensive end Robert Ayers, a key backup with 51/2 sacks. The final overall bounty also included two now ex-Broncos the team was able to draft because of the Bears deal: tight end Richard Quinn and quarterback Tim Tebow.

Jay Cutler helped Broncos reach Super Bowl, Chicago Tribune January 2014 - ( New Window )

Laying the foundation implies (to me) some foresight and not mere coincidental events.

It'd be like saying that Fassel laid the foundation of our Super Bowl winning teams by losing against the Ravens in the SB or even the 49ers in the Wild Card Round in 2002).

IMO.

aquiring players and building a roster that leads to future success. Fassel did neither, considering the roster was gutted when he left. That did not happen in Denver. Fox was hired, and one year later Manning came on board. Many of the players that were aquired while McDaniels was there were still there when Manning came on. Hence, the foundation.

And McDaniels trading Cutler out of Denver, aquiring a lot of players for him, definately laid a future foundation for whoever came in next. It was a complete fleecing.

That's fair.

I think Mangini did that for both the Jets and Browns as well to a much lesser degree.

took balls of steel. I mean, massive, massive balls.

He had the foresight that he didn't like what he saw, which was very much against public opinion.

That trade was ALL McDaniels. It was a thrifty move and netted them Peyton Manning's best recieving weapons on that Superbowl run two years later.

McDaniels was trying to acquire Cassel?

Both of them seemed to be douches throughout the process.

In comment 12037354 BrettNYG10 said:

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McDaniels was trying to acquire Cassel? Both of them seemed to be douches throughout the process.

It's semantics at that point. Once it was known McDaniels was aggressively trying to aquire Cassel, the cat was out of the bag, and the writing was on the wall for him.

what ultimately doomed McDaniels was his complete whiff on Tebow. It ultimately sealed his fate as a first time head coach.

He used the two second round picks he recieved for trading Brandon Marshall to get up the 25 in the first round to draft Tebow.

Imagine if he had used that pick on something else? That would have been a massive, massive coup of picks for Cutler and Marshall, including 3 1st rounders.

totally forgot our Robert Ayers was a first round pick.

In comment 12037336 Britt in VA said:

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took balls of steel. I mean, massive, massive balls. He had the foresight that he didn't like what he saw, which was very much against public opinion. That trade was ALL McDaniels. It was a thrifty move and netted them Peyton Manning's best recieving weapons on that Superbowl run two years later.

Denver used one of the picks for Decker. Demaryus Thomas was picked with their original 1st at 22. But yeah, let's keep up this fictional narrative that McDaniels was some genius, that laid the foundation for Denver's Super Bowl roster. Or maybe he actually is a genius, but you'd have to assume he purposely wanted to gut the team to be bad enough to be picking #2 overall for Von Miller.

but he didn't fuck up their QB situation just once, he did it twice, by thinking he was able to put dressing on a turd like Orton and pass him off as a good starter. As much flack Cutler gets around here, a lot is warranted, but you would think a young HC would know better than to alienate his starting QB and best WR.

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but he didn't fuck up their QB situation just once, he did it twice, by thinking he was able to put dressing on a turd like Orton and pass him off as a good starter. As much flack Cutler gets around here, a lot is warranted, but you would think a young HC would know better than to alienate his starting QB and best WR.

Uh, when they are two malcontents, that's exactly what you do (queue up the clip of Marshall punting the ball at practice...).

See Chip Kelly shipping DeSean's ass out of Philly. Good move.

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the coach wanted to move him. You just keep reaching for narratives that simply does not exist (seems to be a pattern with you). There was no evidence on Marshall being a malcontent either, he was late to a team meeting and got benched his final game as a Bronco. Still put up 101 receptions, 10 TD's and ranked 7th in YAC. McDaniels was nothing short of a disaster in Denver, every Bronco fan will tell you this. Keep telling yourself McDaniels set up Denver for success, when it was a John Fox defense and Elway's presence in the front office that had exponentially more to do with luring Peyton in. Josh McDaniels isn't this visionary mason that laid the foundation in Denver brick by brick like you suggest.

Marshall was dealing with a personality disorder without the proper treatment. McDaniels came in and alienated his talent. Again, he's not great with personnel. Even though Cutler is inconsistent, no sane or competent personnel guy would think Cassel is an upgrade.

Exhibit A:

First person to bring Eli into the thread as a serious topic of conversation:

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He's a streaky player and definitely has flaws David in LA : 12/12/2014 1:35 pm : link : reply but you can apply the same list of excuses why Eli had a poor season last year (though Forte is much better than what we had last year). Chicago's passing defense is 29th in the league and 28th overall in yardage and dead last in points allowed. He makes head scratching decisions, but is a guy that is probably trying to do too much.

then...

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Again, not a Eli vs Cutler discussion David in LA : 12/12/2014 3:58 pm : link : reply I've already conceded that Eli is the better QB. Oh yeah, you're too much of a child to see my posts otherwise. You were quick to pinpoint the reasons why Eli struggled last season, but fail to give other QB's the same.

Not an Eli/Cutler discussion... Until you made it one.

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Let's take a gander at the coaches Cutler "killed" David in LA : 12/12/2014 4:03 pm : link : reply Mike Shanahan got fired, but that was more due to his tenure getting stale with ownership. Bowlen wanted to go a different direction after 3 straight years of being between a 7 and 9 win team. Josh McDaniels flopped, but for some reason you like to say things that fly against the face of reason, such as him laying the foundation for Peyton coming to Denver. Lovie Smith, he's doing an awesome job in Tampa, right?

Bringing something in completely unrelated, ie: my opinion on McDaniels as to try and misdirect, again, from the fact that you are 1000% wrong.

You are, were, and always will be wrong about Cutler. And I'm tired of slapping you around with that fact going on five years now.

Enjoy him. He's a lot of fun to watch.

over my comments on Eli. This IS a Giants board, and I wanted to qualify my opinion and let the board know that I'm not trying to take shots, just note that many of Eli's problems last year are the same ones Cutler has been dealing with. You know, the shit you can't grasp? Such as football being a team sport, and that it's flat out dumb to judge QB's like they are singles tennis players or golfers.

I was actually having a nice convo with Ronnie and Dr Kenneth before you jumped in with your "too funny" comment, which was obviously directed at me. Fact is, you are a fucking pussy, if you want to jump in, address me by my name. The whole gist of your OP is very passive aggressive. Cutler didn't end up as good as I thought he'd be, but I'm also talking to the same guy who thought Brees wasn't that good based off of a 2 game sample size before we got 62 points hung up on us.

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Let's see, you make this comment, and then my response has nothing to do with the topic? Just because the facts fly against your narrative doesn't mean I'm bringing in stuff that's completely unrelated. You just happen to be a moron.

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Let's take a gander at the coaches Cutler "killed" David in LA : 12/12/2014 4:03 pm : link : reply Mike Shanahan got fired, but that was more due to his tenure getting stale with ownership. Bowlen wanted to go a different direction after 3 straight years of being between a 7 and 9 win team. Josh McDaniels flopped, but for some reason you like to say things that fly against the face of reason, such as him laying the foundation for Peyton coming to Denver. Lovie Smith, he's doing an awesome job in Tampa, right?

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You seem kind of mad.

I didnt read the back and forth, but I just saw you said that Cutler is going through a lot of the same problems as Eli did last year. And I agree their OL isnt the greatest and their defense really sucks ass.

But Forte, Marshall, Jeffrey, Bennett are worlds better than what we had last year. I think thats why Cutler is getting a lot of heat because he has playmakers galore and he still cant get them in a position to make plays.

just don't need your BS where you're obfuscating my comments by picking snippets and distorting the whole context of the discussion. It takes all but a split second to type "fuck off Britt".

I 100% conceded that Cutler has much better help at the skill position. However, that defense is god awful. Not trying to make excuses for Jay, but this is how football goes. It's a team sport. If your defense is bleeding yards and points, the QB is likely going to struggle. It's not rocket science, but for Bitch in VA, it's very tough to grasp, since he thinks QB's are judged like golfers and singles tennis players.

yeah, you're not mad.

:)

lost without his master. Doesn't have any opinions to steal and claim as his own because nobody agrees with him.

Easy boy. Good boy.

don't flatter yourself. Comments made on this board is much more meaningful to you than it is for me.

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mainly for validation seeking. Why would I be upset that "no one" agrees with me? You don't even have a clear idea what my position is, because you take offense to shit like a hormonal woman. I've pared down my position in bulletpoints so your dumb ass can follow along. This isn't as hard as teaching children how to draw Turkeys by tracing their hands.

-Chicago's defense is bottom of the barrel
-Cutler not quite as good as I thought
-Eli > Cutler
-Cutler's skill positions > Eli's
-Cutler's not a coach killer, but is also culpable for the team's problems.

too funny.

position on Cutler has changed quite a bit.

He was much better than Eli (a few years ago) in your eyes.

I remember the thread(s) clearly.

It would be easier to just admit that was your position and that it had changed, and move on.

He's a talented kid with a bad attitude and poor judgement.
That puts him in the realm of potential "coach killer" whether or not the history of his HCs bear that out.

especially when this debate started after he was nearly traded for Cassel. This was post Super Bowl 42, so there's no chance I would have said anything like that. I'm pretty certain that I have also said my position on Cutler has changed. I'm not so thickheaded that I dig my claws down on a topic and not be amenable to revising. However, I do not respect posters like Britt when they will twist my points, and also twist the facts (such as McDaniels laying out the foundation for the Broncos current success) to try and make a point.

I think you did.
It was right after the Minnesota game when Eli looked as if he was colorblind and kept throwing it to the wrong jersey color.

The only reason I remember the thread is the discussion centered around the option routes that we kept screwing up on and I got involved because I knew for a fact that Shockey had twice run the wrong route.

But, I guess it doesn't really matter at this point.

It's the holiday season and this is no time to argue old debates.

I know Britt. He's a good guy. Doesn't look like much, but he's a good guy.

but I certainly respect your insight, especially from an X's and O's perspectives. Hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas.

any poster said some years ago??

In comment 12039977 GMenLTS said:

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any poster said some years ago??

I remember exactly what Noah said when the animals started crapping all over that ark, so I can damn sure remember something from a few years ago.

Who are you, anyway?

besides CiP obviously

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