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Your 3rd place New York Giants (NFC East and Draft Order)

ray in arlington : 12/14/2014 7:52 pm
The Giants have clinched 3rd place. This means they will play the 3rd place teams in the NFC North and South in 2015.

2015 Schedule:

AFC East: NE, NYJ, at BUF, at MIA
NFC South: CAR, at TB, ATL, at NO
NFC North 3rd place team: at MINN or at CHI
NFC West 3rd place team: STL or SF

The Giants will also pick behind the Redskins in the draft, not because of finishing 3rd, but because of the SOS tiebreak (see below)

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DAL and PHI:
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PHI has clinched tiebreak over DAL.

So if PHI beats DAL, PHI wins division unless they lose 2 and DAL wins 2.

If DAL beats PHI, DAL wins division unless PHI does better in the last 2 than DAL does. (So if DAL wins their last 2, DAL wins division.)

The DAL opponents are IND and WAS.
The PHI opponents are WAS and NYG.

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DRAFT ORDER:

The tiebreaker for non-playoff teams is strength of schedule (SOS). The usual tiebreaks within a division or conference (like head-to-head, division record) are only applied if the strength of schedule is the same. (Therefore it is possible to finish 3rd and still pick ahead of the 4th place team in your division).

The Giants are currently #8. If NO loses to CHI, they would move down to #9. If CHI loses to NO, the CHI-NYG SOS tiebreak is extremely close.

1 TB### 2-12
2 TEN### 2-12
3 JAC### 2-12
4 OAK### 2-12
5 WAS### 3-11
6 NYJ# 3-11 (NYG 100 NYJ 111) NE, at MIA
7 ATL 5-9 (ATL 80.5 NYG 86) at NO, CAR
8 NYG 5-9 at STL, PHI
9 NO 5-8 (NO 75.5 NYG 81) at CHI, ATL, at TB
10 CHI 5-8 (NYG 81 CHI 83.5) NO, DET, at MIN
(CAR 5-8-1 current division leader, division winner cannot pick earlier than #21 - playing CLE, at ATL)
11 MIN 6-8# (MIN 81.5 NYG 88) at MIA, CHI
12 STL 6-8@ (NYG 57 STL 65) NYG, at SEA


### - will pick ahead of the Giants (no matter what)
## - will pick ahead of Giants in case of a tie
# - very likely to pick ahead of Giants in case of a tie
@ - very likely to pick behind Giants in case of a tie
@@ - will pick behind Giants in case of a tie
@@@ - will pick behind Giants

Other teams that the Giants could tie:

HOU 7-7# (HOU 58.5 NYG 69)
MIA 7-7
CLE 7-7
SF 7-7

(I haven't calculated SOS tiebreak for MIA, CLE or SF).

- The numbers in parentheses are the total wins by non-common opponents (up to now), which eventually determines the difference in SOS. The team with a lower number picks earlier in the case of a tie.

-For example, the redskins and giants tiebreak was decided by the opponents the they didn't have in common. WAS played TB and MIN while the Giants played DET and ATL.

WAS: TB wins + MIN wins = 8
NYG: DET wins + ATL wins = 14

Since TB and MIN only have a total of 5 games left, this tiebreak is decided.
Lol  
Danny Kanell : 12/14/2014 7:59 pm : link
The Jets really fucked themselves by winning today.

Only the Jets.
Two games in FL next season.  
RDJR : 12/14/2014 8:20 pm : link
Awesome!
Correction?  
Trainmaster : 12/14/2014 8:21 pm : link
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This means they will play the 3rd place teams in the NFC North and South in 2015


The Giants play the entire NFC South in 2015, so we play the 3rd place teams in the NFC North and West, right?
RE: Lol  
Giants2012 : 12/14/2014 8:24 pm : link
In comment 12034285 Danny Kanell said:
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The Jets really fucked themselves by winning today.

Only the Jets.


Yeah, but like us, a few of their fans are celebrating a meaningless win.
RE: Correction?  
ray in arlington : 12/14/2014 8:24 pm : link
In comment 12034334 Trainmaster said:
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This means they will play the 3rd place teams in the NFC North and South in 2015



The Giants play the entire NFC South in 2015, so we play the 3rd place teams in the NFC North and West, right?


Whoops. Thank you. The listed teams are still correct.
RE: RE: Lol  
Danny Kanell : 12/14/2014 8:34 pm : link
In comment 12034342 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12034285 Danny Kanell said:


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The Jets really fucked themselves by winning today.

Only the Jets.



Yeah, but like us, a few of their fans are celebrating a meaningless win.


They need a franchise QB. Entirely different situation. They cost themselves a chance at Mariota.
Mariota shuld go no 1 overall  
spike : 12/14/2014 8:56 pm : link
to either Tampa, Tennessee, or Jacksonville
Whoops again  
ray in arlington : 12/14/2014 9:09 pm : link
NYJ are likely to pick behind NYG in case of a tie, not ahead. So they should get a "@" rather than a "#"
Is the NE game next year home or away?  
Shockwave : 12/14/2014 9:53 pm : link
??
RE: Is the NE game next year home or away?  
ray in arlington : 12/14/2014 10:00 pm : link
In comment 12034533 Shockwave said:
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Home, according to the website I consulted.

Makes sense to me as AFC (other than west coast) will simply alternate home and away with NYG, and NE played @ NYG in 2007 and NYG played @ NE in 2011.
2015 schedule - ( New Window )
RE: RE: Lol  
speedywheels : 12/14/2014 10:06 pm : link
In comment 12034342 Giants2012 said:
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In comment 12034285 Danny Kanell said:


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The Jets really fucked themselves by winning today.

Only the Jets.



Yeah, but like us, a few of their fans are celebrating a meaningless win.


This hand wringing after a win against a division fucking rival is astounding.

If it costs the Eagles a playoff spot, I hope they skullfuck the Eagles in two weeks - it will be well worth it to lose a few draft pick slots....
Looking at that draft order  
dpinzow : 12/15/2014 2:26 am : link
it's possible that Amari will be there even at pick 8 or 9

TB, TEN and NYJ all need QBs (and I'll bet Hundley is overdrafted because of this)

JAX has a decent group of young WRs (Allen Robinson, Marqise Lee, Allen Hurns) that just need to develop, so it is not their greatest need. They really need OL desperately

WSH doesn't need a receiver, they have DJax and Garcon; they need OL even more desperately than we do because their QBs are getting knocked around like Eli did last year

ATL doesn't need a receiver, they have Julio, Roddy and Harry Douglas

CHI doesn't need a receiver, they have Marshall and Jeffery

Maybe the Saints do but they've got Cooks and Graham so they've got much bigger needs, especially on defense

So the only team that really needs a receiver at the top of the draft is the Raiders because they need everything. That being said, they could go with Leonard Jackson who looks like a franchise DL
The other team drafting near us that desperately needs a WR  
dpinzow : 12/15/2014 2:30 am : link
is Carolina, so for all the Amari fans like me, we need CAR to finish with a worse draft slot
Leonard Williams (my mistake)  
dpinzow : 12/15/2014 2:33 am : link
got his last name wrong
RE: The other team drafting near us that desperately needs a WR  
rebel yell : 12/15/2014 6:18 am : link
In comment 12034887 dpinzow said:
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is Carolina, so for all the Amari fans like me, we need CAR to finish with a worse draft slot

Right now, as hard as it is to believe, Carolina leads their division!
Losing to St. Louis next week  
bhill410 : 12/15/2014 8:52 am : link
not only helps our draft spot but also potentially puts St. Louis in 3rd in their division (i would rather play St. Louis next year than San Fran).
First teams  
Amtoft : 12/15/2014 7:18 pm : link
can trade up... Second don't be shocked if a team you don't think needs a WR picks a WR.
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