He has proven, at least to me, that he's still a great NFL QB. He's not in the upper echelon in the NFL, but he's clearly someone we need for the next 3-4 years at a minimum. Great bounceback season and clearly last year was a disaster on all fronts, not just the QB. The system was terrible, the line was terrible, the running game was terrible, the weapons were non existent. With just slight improvements on all fronts, he's proven to be a very valuable piece moving. If we once again bolster the line a bit and maybe add a weapon, I expect this offense to be very, very good. Eli needs to be extended to lower his cap number, allow us to add other pieces and most importantly, ensure he's around for a while longer.
Bottomline--the Giants won't be handcuffed by Eli's contract in 2015, so why commit stacks of guaranteed money to him when the future is uncertain.
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Not sure but Eli might feel it's a kick in the pants if they played through the $17M year.
It's why guys hold out.
Eli's done everything asked of him and more. You don't leave guys like that hanging.
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Because you don't let your franchise QB twist in the wind.
Not sure but Eli might feel it's a kick in the pants if they played through the $17M year.
good luck with that
It's why guys hold out.
Eli's done everything asked of him and more. You don't leave guys like that hanging.
With Eli under contract for 2015 and with the franchise tag an option for 2016, the Giants have the leverage in negotiations. And my guess is that Tom Condon would rather put his faith in Eli having a stellar 2015 and do his negotiating the following off-season when the leverage is more balanced.
So you first cite the team's poor drafting, injuries, and bad FA signings, but then say it's because of Eli's cap #.
Do you actually read what you write? People constantly bring up Eli's cap # (Which needs to be reduced), but the idea that it's handcuffing the team is simply not true.
Your statement is contradicting.
People just don't understand how it works. Eli is getting extended, and he is going to get his money. Accept that fact.
People just don't understand how it works. Eli is getting extended, and he is going to get his money. Accept that fact.
The yearly values come into play, but the structures, incentives, and guaranteed money will be different.
People can't accept reality.
Thanks for that. Glad you approve of "bringing back" the best QB in franchise history.
People are 'accepting' TC coming back (which I'm happy about), but I can see why that's not a great thing to some who want him gone. Eli getting an extension is very good.
Bottomline--is that it takes two to tango and there are reasons why both sides would be reluctant to negotiate an extension at this time. It doesn't mean it won't happen, but it requires Eli accepting a team-friendly deal when he and his agent may believe they can get a better deal if they wait another year. It's not absolutely necessary that he sign an extension in order for the Giants to sign the free agents they target in the off-season.
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the Giants won't let their Head Coach be on the last year of his contract. You really think they will let their franchise QB?
Head coach is different, because it goes to the message it sends to the locker room. Nobody is going to think Eli is a lame duck QB just because he's in the last year of his contract.
Bottomline--is that it takes two to tango and there are reasons why both sides would be reluctant to negotiate an extension at this time. It doesn't mean it won't happen, but it requires Eli accepting a team-friendly deal when he and his agent may believe they can get a better deal if they wait another year. It's not absolutely necessary that he sign an extension in order for the Giants to sign the free agents they target in the off-season.
First of all, the odds of Eli accepting a team friendly deal are low.
Secondly, both parties have a ton of reasons to do the extension now, so your notion that it benefits both parties to wait is false. Two examples: They wait, Eli has an awesome year, and then tells the Giants to eff off and leaves, or holds them over a barrel when they put the franchise tag on him. They wait, and Eli gets his leg Theiman'd and loses out on tens of millions of dollars that he left on the table because he put himself at risk.
You're right, his contract, extended or not, won't prevent the Giants from conducting their business. It is the not the anti team building albatross that has become popular opinion here.
But they still should and will do an extension this offseason. You can feel like they shouldn't, but they will.
That's a stone cold, lead pipe lock.
YAJ2112 : 9:46 am : link : reply
so everyone will shut the fuck up about how he signed this "below market" contract.
It will either be redone/extended, or the present contract is part of an after career, wink, wink, deal where he gets a job in the front office..you know the one, where you don't have to show up and still get paid....
Why?
kmed : 9:46 am : link : reply
Are you arguing that Brady didn't sign a very team friendly deal?
Tom Brady giving the hometown discount isn't really true...
Britt in VA : 9:47 am : link : reply
I was reading this somewhere else, but his guaranteed money becomes 60 million dollars as long as he plays in the last regular season game this year, and he's 36.
Not really....that last 24 million is only guaranteed, IF HE IS INJURED.....they could actually cut him, and he gets none of that "guaranteed" money....though I seriously doubt that happens, which would result in 11M net, in dead money....But you have to remember one thing....the Pats are not afraid of releasing a player one year too early, rather than one year too late....if the Pats come up short again this season, and they think that Garapalo is an option for the future, nothing would surprise me with this organization.....it's possible, that Brady does not finish his contract with the Pats and ends up finishing his career elsewhere...it's happened to other greats.....If the Pats win a SB, that throws a wrench into the Pats future plans, as far as Brady and his contract, is concerned...
If Brady is relatively healthy at the start of next season, they will restructure him again.
It was creative cap work on their part, but he gets his money.
Basically, he signed a 14M/yr contract which is low when compared to Cutler, Stafford, and other pretenders to the throne....I find it hard to believe he continues to play for the same numbers....
He got more guaranteed money
kmed : 9:48 am : link : reply
which is fine, he deserves it, but he most certainly could have gotten more. He left money on the table for the good of the team and they gave a little back by guaranteeing more.
yes he left money on the table, and how did they help him? Where is that top WR he really needed?
So at the end of this season...
Britt in VA : 9:48 am : link : reply
Brady will have essentially played a 3 year, 60 million dollar guaranteed contract.
How do you come up with those numbers? This is only the second year of his present contract....he got 40M for 2 years....now, under the present contract, he will average 8M per year, for the next three years....AND IT IS ONLY GUARANTEED IF HE IS INJURED.....he can be cut, and not paid....
Imagine a run game
Rjanyg : 9:48 am : link : reply
to go with this passing game.
It's still 3 years at an average of 20 million per, guaranteed.
No it's not....
I think the one elixir that takes this O to the next level is the stud RB. It's not as easy to find that guy as some would believe. We need one of those awesome talents at RB. This offense goes bonkers with that guy and a little more depth/talent on the OL. Add a solid player at WR, nothing out of this world just solid...maybe a blocking TE and we're off.
We don't need to allocate ridiculous resources along the OL and WR and TE, just shore up the weak spots with competent players. The RB position could use a big spark in my eyes.
It's a little creative accounting for the Patriots. Brady's huge bonuses can now be spread out over all five years of the deal. His cap hit, due to be nearly $21 million in 2013, will now be $13.8 million. The Patriots will have $15 million more to play with over the next two seasons, even as Brady pockets more money than he would have.
The thinking is more than a little reminiscent of the overlong contracts handed out in the NHL, with star players earning near-minimum well into their 40s. (The league later closed this loophole.) It's all about averaging the salary cap hit across the life of the contract, extending that divisor by tacking on years the player has no intention of playing.
But Brady doesn't have to retire to avoid playing at a discount in the final three years of his deal. NFL contracts, beyond bonuses, aren't worth the paper they're printed on. Brady and the Patriots can sit down again in two years and tear up what they've done, and if the past is any indication, that's exactly what will happen.
-Heading into 2005, Brady was scheduled to make $11.5 million over the next two seasons. The Patriots tossed it out and signed him to a six-year extension that would pay him $31.5 million over the same time frame, with most of that coming in the form of signing bonuses—again to lower his cap hit.
(Peter King wrote the exact same column in 2005, trumpeting Brady for being selfless and taking less money.)
-In 2007, Brady re-worked his contract, again shifting some of his base salary to bonuses. The point, this time, was to clear cap room to sign Randy Moss.
-In 2010 Brady signed an extension, again before his current deal had run its course. It included $48.5 million in guaranteed money and made Brady the NFL's highest-paid player.
-In 2012 Brady re-structured that deal, converting some salary to bonus money. The upshot was to save the Patriots cap room in 2012, at the expense of pushing it to 2013 and 2014.
Brady has re-worked his deal yet again, and the Patriots continue to pass the salary cap buck into the future. Now that bomb won't go off until 2015 at the earliest, assuming they don't re-do the deal again. (They will.) As teams like the Jets and Eagles are learning, salary cap accounting isn't magic—it's just borrowing against the future. The Patriots will end up paying the piper, but not until their Tom Brady window closes.
Actually, Tom Brady is Getting a Raise.... Deadspin 2/26/13 - ( New Window )
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He's been average in a a QB friendly system. That is however an improvement over last year. Given his two SB runs, unless he's asking for elite QB money, I'd bring him back.
Thanks for that. Glad you approve of "bringing back" the best QB in franchise history.
Glad you base your opinion of personnel moves of lifetime achievement awards rather than which decision will be best for the Giants moving forward.
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He's been average in a a QB friendly system. That is however an improvement over last year. Given his two SB runs, unless he's asking for elite QB money, I'd bring him back.
Thanks for that. Glad you approve of "bringing back" the best QB in franchise history.
Glad you base your opinion of personnel moves of lifetime achievement awards rather than which decision will be best for the Giants moving forward.
Eli is the best option moving forward. Do you not agree?
Eli and the Giants are both professionals when it comes to contracts ... The Giants will offer the market rate ... Eli will agree ... and the lawyers will structure it to give Eli financial security and the Giants to be protected in case of injury ... like and onside kick from the opponents 35 yard line ... a no brainer ...
That's the thing. Condon won't settle for less money, and I think Condon will push the Giants for an extension. I doubt Eli goes into next year, his contract year, without an extension.
Facts are, he's played very well and you can easily make the case he'll play even better (which is needed) with more support.
Of all Eli's physical attributes are all still there, and his mental approach to the game is second to none.
This is the team's easiest decision of the offseason.
Condon will do whatever he can to get Eli the most money.
Management will do whatever vit takes to fulfill their player and economic plan.
Somewhere in between all them is a number of years/guaranteed money/total cost that will satisy all parties.
Facts are, he's played very well and you can easily make the case he'll play even better (which is needed) with more support.
Of all Eli's physical attributes are all still there, and his mental approach to the game is second to none.
This is the team's easiest decision of the offseason.
Will they sign him to an extension? Maybe. Is it a certainty? No.
33M Signing bonus + 2013 & 2104 salaries
24M Guaranteed 15-17 if he is on the roster last game of 2014
4M Guaranteed Roster Bonus 2103 & 2014
9.6M Guaranteed from previous restructure
70.6M guaranteed. His money is now all guaranteed through 2017