Eli needs to be extended this offseason....

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Again this year. He needs protection

but that's 99% wishful thinking...

A backloaded deal averaging $20-22M per could probably get it done and keep his cap hit <$15M for the next 2-3 seasons.

and take a note from his playbook if he wants the Giants to build a good team around him.

Pay him the $17M next season. Franchise him the season after that if necessary. By then he's 36. I admire what he's done this year with no running game, few weapons aside from Beckham, and a bad OL. But he's still made some unbelievably bad throws. Five INTs against SF, and the inexplicable throw against the Titans leap to mind. Even yesterday's throw to RR across his body and field in tight coverage was ill advised.

In comment 12035135 AcidTest said:

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Pay him the $17M next season. Franchise him the season after that if necessary. By then he's 36. I admire what he's done this year with no running game, few weapons aside from Beckham, and a bad OL. But he's still made some unbelievably bad throws. Five INTs against SF, and the inexplicable throw against the Titans leap to mind. Even yesterday's throw to RR across his body and field in tight coverage was ill advised.

You are clueless.

In comment 12035128 kmed said:

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and take a note from his playbook if he wants the Giants to build a good team around him.

I'd love that obviously, but hard to ask someone to freely give up $10M a year.

Eli's going to get his $$$. You guys act like Brady plays for free.
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so everyone will shut the fuck up about how he signed this "below market" contract.

Are you arguing that Brady didn't sign a very team friendly deal?

I was reading this somewhere else, but his guaranteed money becomes 60 million dollars as long as he plays in the last regular season game this year, and he's 36.

If Brady is relatively healthy at the start of next season, they will restructure him again.

It was creative cap work on their part, but he gets his money.

which is fine, he deserves it, but he most certainly could have gotten more. He left money on the table for the good of the team and they gave a little back by guaranteeing more.

Brady will have essentially played a 3 year, 60 million dollar guaranteed contract.

to go with this passing game.

And it was signed 3 years ago, before that was the going rate for QB's.

In comparison. Peyton signed a 5 year 100 million dollar deal. The cap numbers are whats important and theres a big difference because of structure.

In comment 12035106 Britt in VA said:

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One only has to look to the other Met Life locker room to see the problems of not having a franchise QB ... and the Giants trophy case to see the benefits ...

Eli gives us a chnace to win any game at any time ... Even with a makeshift O'Line, a practice squad TE, losing your #1 receiver and a rookie RB who had no receptions his entire college career replacing the oft injured vet ... The offense still has been able to shine at times ...

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Are you arguing that Brady didn't sign a very team friendly deal?

He signed a cap friendly deal, but he didn't take less money. And when he redoes the deal this offseason, I'm sure it will be similarly structured to get him paid but spread the cap hit out.

At some point when he retires, the Pats will have to eat a bunch of dead money the way they are structuring his deals. But they are doing a good job of managing his cap hit while still paying him top QB $ so they can keep a good team around him.

Hopefully the Giants are taking notes and can structure Eli's next deal(s) that way.

3/20/2012: Signed a five-year, $96 million contract. The deal includes $18 million guaranteed -- Manning's 2012 base salary. The guarantees can rise to $60 million (Manning's 2013-2014 base salaries) if he passes a physical on March 13 of 2013 (He did). Manning's fourth-year salary becomes guaranteed if on roster at end of year three, and his fifth-year salary becomes guaranteed if on roster at end of year four. 2014: $15 million, 2015-2016: $19 million, 2017: Free Agent


This is what Brady got:

Tom Brady signed a 5 year / $70.60 million contract with the New England Patriots, including a $30,000,000 signing bonus, $33,000,000 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $14,120,000.

Oh yeah, this was after Manning got his contract.

1/2/2014: Signed a seven-year, $126.7 million contract. The deal contains $54 million guaranteed -- each of Cutler's first three base salaries. There was no signing bonus. 2014: $17.5 million (+ $5 million "signing" bonus), 2015: $15.5 million, 2016: $16 million, 2017: $12.5 million (+ $2.5 million in per-game roster bonuses), 2018: $13.5 million (+ $2.5 million in per-game roster bonuses), 2019: $17.5 million (+ $2.5 million in per-game roster bonuses), 2020: $19.2 million (+ $2.5 million in per-game roster bonuses), 2021: Free Agent

is better which is why he was paid this around the same exact time....

7/9/2013: Signed a five-year, $76.5 million contract. The deal contains $41.5 million guaranteed, including a $27.5 million signing bonus. 2014: $2 million, 2015: $9.5 million, 2016: $17 million, 2017: $16.5 million, 2018: Free Agent

a month after Brady signed his team friendly deal.

8/24/2009: Signed a seven-year, $98.25 million contract. The deal contains $38.15 million guaranteed, including a $19.55 million signing bonus, Rivers' 2009-2010 base salaries, and a second-year option bonus of $6 million. He was paid an additional $5 million "signing" bonus during the 2013 offseason. 2014: $13.8 million, 2015: $15.75 million, 2016: Free Agent

and he got another $24mm guaranteed money (which is his salaries for
15-17) which will be pushed into his redone deal in the offseason.

in all of those deals the players you're bringing up were 3-4, years younger than Brady, or the equivalent of nearly an entire life cycle of a contract.

It makes a difference.

As YAJ said, he helped them with the cap, but he didn't take less money to do it.

Also like YAJ said, I hope the Giants can do something similar for Eli.

Tom Brady was at the peak of his game at the time, age had absolutely nothing to do with it. The Pats were creative with the structure, but Brady 100% took less than he could have gotten.

tacked onto the sixty mil he's already recieved.

In comment 12035135 AcidTest said:

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Even yesterday's throw to RR across his body and field in tight coverage was ill advised.

In the absence of a really bad throw, we're taking to criticizing his completions now, are we? Rodgers, Brees, Brady, Peyton make that throw and we talk about how great they are. Eli makes it, and we're bashing him for it.

if he retired after this season, he would have played 2 years and been paid 57mm.

When he makes the easy decision to keep playing, he will redo the deal and structure it similarly.

and I'd be very happy if the Giants re-signed the young man to lead this team for several more years.

You never realize what you have till it's gone and sometimes you wait decades to replace it. I'd give him a blank check and thank him for taking it

In comment 12035262 Headhunter said:

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You never realize what you have till it's gone and sometimes you wait decades to replace it. I'd give him a blank check and thank him for taking it

Or Manziel for that matter? How about Bridgewater? Blake Bortles?

It's not really a question. 5 years minimum.

In comment 12035279 BillT said:

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It's not really a question. 5 years minimum.

This is the most likely scenario.

He's a two time superbowl winning QB, the best this franchise has ever seen, in the prime of his career.

Everyone knows Eli is a product of our offensive line.

There's no doubt about it.

There is no need to extend Eli. If he'd accept a team-friendly extension, great, but I wouldn't count on it. Chances are he's going to want something in the vicinity of what Flacco, Ryan, and Brees received, meaning 20+M/year with at least $40M guaranteed. Considering that the Giants have him under contract for $17M next year and the cost of franchising him in 2016 would be roughly $21M, there should be no rush to give him a deal that pays him more than that over the next two years.

Bottomline--the Giants won't be handcuffed by Eli's contract in 2015, so why commit stacks of guaranteed money to him when the future is uncertain.
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media and fans of other teams I've takes to perceive that he's having 'another bad year,' after the 5 pick nationally televised game. Fact is, he's been good this year. was great at times such as games 2-5 until Cruz got hurt when the O started clicking. Overall a very solid year. The nonexistent run game when Jennings missed games has been the biggest problem, the personnel needs to be bolstered, the line of course.

In comment 12035262 Headhunter said:

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You never realize what you have till it's gone and sometimes you wait decades to replace it. I'd give him a blank check and thank him for taking it

Why give him a blank check when it's cheaper to give him a check for $17M? Eli isn't going anywhere.

Because you don't let your franchise QB twist in the wind.

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Because you don't let your franchise QB twist in the wind.

Not sure but Eli might feel it's a kick in the pants if they played through the $17M year.

In comment 12035318 YAJ2112 said:

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Because you don't let your franchise QB twist in the wind.

He's not twisting in the wind. He knows he's not going anywhere. And it's not like he'll be scrimping on Christmas and Hanukkah gifts this year because he's unsure about his future income.

so it's leaving him twisting in the wind.

It's why guys hold out.

Eli's done everything asked of him and more. You don't leave guys like that hanging.

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In comment 12035318 YAJ2112 said: Quote: Because you don't let your franchise QB twist in the wind. Not sure but Eli might feel it's a kick in the pants if they played through the $17M year.

I really don't think Eli is going to consider being paid $17M a sign of disrespect.

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is bullshit. we paid him for the super bowls. now he needs to fall back in line with a team friendly deal and take up a much lower percentage of the salary cap. their poor drafting, injuries and bad free agent signings have made it very tough to build a team with eli taking up this much cap space.

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is bullshit. we paid him for the super bowls. now he needs to fall back in line with a team friendly deal and take up a much lower percentage of the salary cap. their poor drafting, injuries and bad free agent signings have made it very tough to build a team with eli taking up this much cap space.

good luck with that

In comment 12035333 Britt in VA said:

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so it's leaving him twisting in the wind. It's why guys hold out. Eli's done everything asked of him and more. You don't leave guys like that hanging.

Look, if Eli wants to accept a team-friendly deal, I'm sure the Giants would be open to giving him an extension. But I wouldn't necessarily anticipate that. I'm not saying it isn't possible that Eli will sign an extension, I'm just saying it's not something the Giants "need" to do (as the op opines).

With Eli under contract for 2015 and with the franchise tag an option for 2016, the Giants have the leverage in negotiations. And my guess is that Tom Condon would rather put his faith in Eli having a stellar 2015 and do his negotiating the following off-season when the leverage is more balanced.

I think the next two games will be a pretty good measuring stick of where the team and Eli are right now. It is difficult to make much out of beating a really dysfunctional Washington team.

NO WAY does Condon want Eli playing his final year without an extension.