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Giants now 4th in NFL in sacks

Lowell.. : 12/15/2014 11:11 am
What's amazing is that they do it mostly with a four man rush. They have an astonishing 22 sacks in the last three games. Lets see how they do going against two vastly superior olines the next two game.

Hankins is 5th in the league among DT's with 7.0. Noteworthy since he's often been on the sidelines when they go Nascar. He's a very big man but he gets there with quicks more often than bull rushing. Should be considered for the Pro Bowl.

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Smoke and mirrors  
deadkurtrulz : 12/15/2014 11:35 am : link
SHOW PERRY THE DOOR.

When the game is on the line Giants have NO pressure and sit back in a soft zone and get picked apart.

Also - the reason Bobby Griffin is no QB is because he sits back there holding the ball not looking downfield until he is sacked.
I do apologize  
Headhunter : 12/15/2014 11:35 am : link
I'll stop trying to think things through, Ill just stick to the herd mentality around here in the future
I will say however....  
BillKo : 12/15/2014 11:37 am : link
that a change in scheme with Hankins, Moore, Ayers, and maybe JPP could make a return to being a feared defense......

Fewell can't be invited back.

We've changed the offensive scheme, defense has to be next.
There is no such thing as garabage time sacks  
JOrthman : 12/15/2014 11:41 am : link
You can say we fattened our numbers against some bad teams, but not garbage time sacks. What is a gargabe time sack anyway?
The very definition of cherry picking  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/15/2014 11:43 am : link
How's this stat: the Giants are 6th worst in yards/per game on defense

Football Outsiders ranks us 22nd in the league in defense, which I think is a better indicator of where the D is. They can't play the likes of Blake Bortles, the current incarnation of RGIII, or Mettenberger every week it seems.

Fewell must go. Injuries have been a factor, but it's not like he's covered himself with glory any year other than 2011.
Well garbage time is when bad teams  
Headhunter : 12/15/2014 11:43 am : link
decide, " now is a good time to get our QB killed and the coaches won't look at the film and cut our asses"
The Giants  
George : 12/15/2014 11:48 am : link
do not play tackle football very well. It's a bad team and the badness starts up front on both sides of the ball. Don't let the numbers fool you: our pass rush is as good as the one you saw against Dallas at the end of our home game a month ago. If you want to go to the playoffs next year, you've got to beat the Cowboys and the Eagles, and we're no where near where we need to be to do that in 2015.

Despite the overwhelming success our pass rush recently enjoyed (against three of the very worst teams seen in the 21st century), a new stud DE, two new stud LBs, and another space-eating DT simply must be added to the 2015 roster.

Add those to the crying need for an NFL-appropriate guard, a WR to replace the bust we've got in Randle, a TE who can both block and catch, and maybe two more RBs, and that's your offseason wish list.

I wish we had 20 draft picks this year - even in what is supposed to be a weak class of college players. The holes in this roster boggle the mind.



If you had told me we'd have more sacks than Detriot after week 1  
WillieYoung : 12/15/2014 11:48 am : link
I'd have called you an idiot. I wouldn't keep Fewell but I think we have enough pass rushers on the current roster now that we're playing Moore. Next year I'd like to see Ayers on rushing downs and Moore on passing downs at LDE. Kiwi goodbye.
We played the 3 worst teams in the NFL the last 3 weeks  
SB : 12/15/2014 11:49 am : link
...and still only could manage a 1-2 record. So big F'ing deal that we racked up sacks against them. Including against Tennessee that played two backup OTs.
In large part it's because of Moore and Kennard getting a lot of snaps  
BeerFridge : 12/15/2014 11:51 am : link
and Kiwi not getting any.
Well, to me,  
Doomster : 12/15/2014 11:51 am : link
garbage time sacks are when a team is trailing by more than one score, late in the fourth quarter, and they have to pass, and the DL is not thinking run at all....

STL is now eliminated, and have nothing to play for, so it won't be the "test" I hoped it would be...they have only won one more game than us, and their offense is nothing to write about....if their defensive line comes to play, they will give our OL something to play for....
RE: We played the 3 worst teams in the NFL the last 3 weeks  
arcarsenal : 12/15/2014 11:52 am : link
In comment 12035615 SB said:
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...and still only could manage a 1-2 record. So big F'ing deal that we racked up sacks against them. Including against Tennessee that played two backup OTs.


1-2 record?

Anyway..
If the Giants retain Fewell  
Jay on the Island : 12/15/2014 11:54 am : link
because of the previous 3 games then they are making a colossal mistake like they did last year when the defensive ranking was greatly improved due to the amount of backup QB's they faced mid season. There is no forgiveness for the terrible play of the defense for the 4th year in a row and the constant breakdowns, mental errors, etc. that have continued to plague this squad. Is Fewell solely to blame? Of course not but he needs to be replaced or else the same will happen next season.

Flaherty is another coach who should be shown the door but I am convinced he will be retained.

RE: It is so much more fun when  
RinR : 12/15/2014 11:55 am : link
In comment 12035545 Headhunter said:
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they didn't get to the QB so we could bitch and moan about a lack of a pass rush.


This^^^^^^

Imagine if they hadnt padded their sack totals the last 3 games against garbage opponents.
RE: outside of a few players  
eclipz928 : 12/15/2014 11:56 am : link
In comment 12035501 djm said:
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the D can still go fick itself. They let the team down this year when the season still mattered. I know the O was shaky too...still is but the D could have saved this season a bit early on.


I've got news for you - the defense wasn't the biggest reason for the Giants collapsing this year.

Coming off of the 3-game winning streak, the Giants went into Philly and the offense put up 0 points - a complete shut out.

Dallas was a winnable game the following week, but the fact that the Giants still weren't able to rush the ball (yet kept sticking to it) was probably the biggest factor in that loss.

The Colts were leading the league in offense when they played them. Giants defense did the best they could and held them to 16 going into the half . . . but when the offense only manages to match them with 3 points the results are predictable.

Same thing with the Seahawks - the defense held them to 17 points going into the 4th quarter. But the offense didn't score a single point in the entire 2nd half of that game. Zero second half points. And that game effectively ended the season for the Giants.

The defense has actually performed pretty well in 5 games since playing Seattle - granted against subpar teams. There are plenty of issues that need to be address with the defense - that unit certainly wasn't playing superbly during those 4 games mentioned. But if you think that the defense is the biggest problem with the team then you are sadly mistaken.
They also knocked out  
Headhunter : 12/15/2014 11:57 am : link
2 QB's but they play for shit teams it doesn't mean anything
When you're in the middle of a losing  
AnishPatel : 12/15/2014 12:00 pm : link
streak, or were in one, and play teams like the Jags, Titans, and Skins, I figured we would rack up sacks or turnovers on this defense.

Same offensively, however, I do this OBJ proved to be consistent throughout the season in production, and as ghe gets settled with more games under his belt he can be even more productive.

I do think Fewell is being more aggressive than any other time in his tenure. So that's a plus.
RE: I do apologize  
Ralph.C : 12/15/2014 12:00 pm : link
In comment 12035557 Headhunter said:
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I'll stop trying to think things through, Ill just stick to the herd mentality around here in the future


Saying that we are 4th in sacks  
Tom from LI : 12/15/2014 12:04 pm : link
and taking into account the competition we have played lately is like saying that I have a shot with a 70 year old former supermodel. Neither is impressive.

That's right Fewell is dialing it p against some of the worst competition. He needs to go...
I'd like to see them extend Hankins  
Jay in Toronto : 12/15/2014 12:08 pm : link
so we won't lose him like Colfield (and the earlier guy who we also lost to the Skins whose name I am blanking on).
RE: RE: outside of a few players  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/15/2014 12:10 pm : link
In comment 12035644 eclipz928 said:
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Same thing with the Seahawks - the defense held them to 17 points going into the 4th quarter. But the offense didn't score a single point in the entire 2nd half of that game. Zero second half points. And that game effectively ended the season for the Giants.


So it was the zero second half points that did them in, not the 250 yards rushing they gave up? Give me a break.

In both Dallas games, had the defense made a stop when the game was on the line, the Giants had a chance to win. They didn't.

I'll give you the Philly and San Fran games, where both offense and defense did poorly, but the defense gave up 31 to Dallas twice, 40 to the Colts and 25 to the worst offense in the league, the Jags. Those are not offensive issues.
Looking ahead to the 2015 roster...  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/15/2014 12:12 pm : link
Locks
Hankins, Moore, Bromley
Near-Locks
Ayers
50-50
Wynn
Probably Gone
Jenkins
Kuhn
Gone
Kiwanuka
Patterson
Huge Decision
Pierre-Paul

If they let Pierre-Paul walk, they will be building a defensive line around Hankins, Bromley and Moore, plus Ayers and maybe Wynn.
RE: We played the 3 worst teams in the NFL the last 3 weeks  
gmen9892 : 12/15/2014 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12035615 SB said:
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...and still only could manage a 1-2 record. So big F'ing deal that we racked up sacks against them. Including against Tennessee that played two backup OTs.


2-1
RE: I'd like to see them extend Hankins  
arcarsenal : 12/15/2014 12:13 pm : link
In comment 12035677 Jay in Toronto said:
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so we won't lose him like Colfield (and the earlier guy who we also lost to the Skins whose name I am blanking on).


Cornelius Griffin
Tom from LI: Cheryl Tiegs is 67.  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/15/2014 12:15 pm : link
Christie Brinkley is 60. Elle Macpherson is 50.

I'd take any one of them over the Giants' pass rush.
Headhunter is  
JoefromPa : 12/15/2014 12:15 pm : link
Correct this is still not a good defense. However 21 sacks in last 3 games compared to 19 In first 11 is overwhelming evidence that the pass rush has improved with the insertion of younger more athletic players.

It can t all be because of the competition. How has the rest of the league faired against those 3 opponents in regard to sacks.
Stats are a wierd thing in NFL  
chuckydee9 : 12/15/2014 12:16 pm : link
One must take into account the underlying stories about the stats.. I know other teams have feasted on the bad competition as well. I don't doubt it for a second but Deep down inside we know that this front 4 is not good enough at pressuring the good teams..

The goal is to win playoff games and win against good teams.. Its great if you can score 70 points in 2 games when facing 1 horrible defense and 1 great defense by scoring 35 points against each but if you get to 70 points by scoring 10 points against great defense and 60 against bad defense you are not really a good offense.. This is why all these teams that pass for 7 tds against bad opponents don't win the superbowl or playoff games against good teams..

Same way our defense will get 7 sacks a game against jags and titans and such but they will be ineffective against cowboys, eagles and seattle.. Guess who you will be playing in the playoffs? Either way we need to improve our front four play against both run and pass..
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 12/15/2014 12:25 pm : link
1) their numbers are padded by playing against 3 equally terrible teams who were playing backup OL.

2) nothing should fool the Giants into thinking the D is decent based on these 3 games. Likewise, they shouldn't think they have a good or consistent pass rush. Fewell should be shown the door as soon as the clock in Week 17 hits 00:00.

3) This defense absolutely sucks and played a large part in every one of their losses. Even in games where they played reasonably well in terms of holding teams scoring down, they still shit the bed when a stop wins the game or gives them a shot at winning the game. This has been a pattern with this D for several years, regardless of personnel.
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Tom in NY : 12/15/2014 12:31 pm : link
In comment 12035686 mikeinbloomfield said:
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In comment 12035644 eclipz928 said:


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Same thing with the Seahawks - the defense held them to 17 points going into the 4th quarter. But the offense didn't score a single point in the entire 2nd half of that game. Zero second half points. And that game effectively ended the season for the Giants.




So it was the zero second half points that did them in, not the 250 yards rushing they gave up? Give me a break.

In both Dallas games, had the defense made a stop when the game was on the line, the Giants had a chance to win. They didn't.

I'll give you the Philly and San Fran games, where both offense and defense did poorly, but the defense gave up 31 to Dallas twice, 40 to the Colts and 25 to the worst offense in the league, the Jags. Those are not offensive issues.


I don't disagree with your post, but to be fair the offense let up 14 of the points against Jacksonville (two fumbles for TDs). The defense did let up the game winning FG drive, but only allowed 11 points.
LOL  
ZogZerg : 12/15/2014 12:32 pm : link
Remember all the folks crying about the Giants not re-signing Linval Joseph for huge $? That pretty much lasted all summer and pre-season. Folks didn't have any faith in Hankins. Now he's all world.....
RE: Well, to me,  
JOrthman : 12/15/2014 12:34 pm : link
In comment 12035625 Doomster said:
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garbage time sacks are when a team is trailing by more than one score, late in the fourth quarter, and they have to pass, and the DL is not thinking run at all....

STL is now eliminated, and have nothing to play for, so it won't be the "test" I hoped it would be...they have only won one more game than us, and their offense is nothing to write about....if their defensive line comes to play, they will give our OL something to play for....


Then we are the last team that should get credit for garbage time stats as we are rarely ahead and the other team is forced to pass. Then all the good teams like the Broncos would have nothing but garbage time stats.
Ever since allegedly TC blew up at Fewell...  
Damon : 12/15/2014 12:37 pm : link
He's been dialing up a lot more pressure.
Folks didn't have faith in Hankins?  
Headhunter : 12/15/2014 12:43 pm : link
which folks would they be? I don't remember any concerns about Hankins
RE: Ever since allegedly TC blew up at Fewell...  
BeerFridge : 12/15/2014 12:44 pm : link
In comment 12035777 Damon said:
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He's been dialing up a lot more pressure.


Err, I missed the blowup. Seriously?
RE: This is a great read  
whobetta : 12/15/2014 1:04 pm : link
In comment 12035500 Headhunter said:
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none of the 28 teams behind the Giants played shitty teams, they all played great teams all season long that is why they trail the Giants in sacks


the point is if you get x% of your sacks in 3 games vs shit opponents it is less of an indicator on how you blitz or your DL than if you average 3 sacks EVERY GAME no matter who the opponent is...

getting 6 sacks in one game vs dook and then 0 vs an opponent you HAD to have a couple sacks against makes the TOTAL number less sexy
Big Blue Blogger.  
Tom from LI : 12/15/2014 1:17 pm : link
I said 70 years old... lol ;-)
RE: RE: We played the 3 worst teams in the NFL the last 3 weeks  
SB : 12/15/2014 1:26 pm : link
In comment 12035626 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 12035615 SB said: ...and still only could manage a 1-2 record. So big F'ing deal that we racked up sacks against them. Including against Tennessee that played two backup OTs.



1-2 record?

Anyway..


Ha! Damn my dyslexia. Anyway, yeah, I am not too impressed with a 2-1 record plus generally looking like crap defensively for much of the game yesterday.
Lies  
hudson : 12/15/2014 1:27 pm : link
Damn lies and stats
The most of you are offal fans  
NYG4246 : 12/15/2014 1:46 pm : link
this teams turns it up, admittedly not vs top notch talent, and you complain about it. This team could have easily rolled over and died. Instead they show heart and fight to the finish of a poor season and you complain about it. With the good comes the bad, unfortunately these last two season have been a stretch of underachieving football. Im sure you were all riding high after the last 2 Super Bowls when this squad beat the best this league had to offer. No you turn and talk shit like some pissed off ex-girlfriend. take the silver lining of the recent sack barage, or find another team to watch or "root for". you sound like jetplane fans.......This team will turn it around and be back on top sooner then later, maybe it will stifle you idiots for a week or so...... LETS GO GIANTS!!!!
RE: RE: RE: outside of a few players  
eclipz928 : 12/15/2014 1:56 pm : link
In comment 12035686 mikeinbloomfield said:
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In comment 12035644 eclipz928 said:


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Same thing with the Seahawks - the defense held them to 17 points going into the 4th quarter. But the offense didn't score a single point in the entire 2nd half of that game. Zero second half points. And that game effectively ended the season for the Giants.




So it was the zero second half points that did them in, not the 250 yards rushing they gave up? Give me a break.

In both Dallas games, had the defense made a stop when the game was on the line, the Giants had a chance to win. They didn't.

I'll give you the Philly and San Fran games, where both offense and defense did poorly, but the defense gave up 31 to Dallas twice, 40 to the Colts and 25 to the worst offense in the league, the Jags. Those are not offensive issues.


YES. When the team doesn't score a single point in an entire half of football, that's usually the biggest contributing factor in a loss. You can't win if you don't score points.

The Giants giving up 31 is not as concerning to me than them only scoring 21 points against Dallas' defense, especially with one of their three scores having to come after an INT that gave them the ball inside the Dallas 30 in that game.

I think everyone expected the Colts to put up about 30 points in that game - they were the #1 ranked offense. Giving up 40 is inexcusable, but the effort by the offense in that game was even more inexcusable. Only 3 first half points, and a total of just 10 point going into the 4th quarter. Stat sheet shows they only converted 4 out of 16 3rd downs. Awful.

And nothing really needs to be said about the performance by the offense against the Eagles.
Perry Fewell is at it again  
Chris L. : 12/15/2014 1:56 pm : link
padding the stats against week opponants. Show me a couple 6 sack games against a decent team with a decent QB and I will take notice.
RE: RE: RE: RE: outside of a few players  
mikeinbloomfield : 12/15/2014 2:28 pm : link
In comment 12036067 eclipz928 said:
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In comment 12035686 mikeinbloomfield said:


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In comment 12035644 eclipz928 said:


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Same thing with the Seahawks - the defense held them to 17 points going into the 4th quarter. But the offense didn't score a single point in the entire 2nd half of that game. Zero second half points. And that game effectively ended the season for the Giants.




So it was the zero second half points that did them in, not the 250 yards rushing they gave up? Give me a break.

In both Dallas games, had the defense made a stop when the game was on the line, the Giants had a chance to win. They didn't.

I'll give you the Philly and San Fran games, where both offense and defense did poorly, but the defense gave up 31 to Dallas twice, 40 to the Colts and 25 to the worst offense in the league, the Jags. Those are not offensive issues.



YES. When the team doesn't score a single point in an entire half of football, that's usually the biggest contributing factor in a loss. You can't win if you don't score points.

The Giants giving up 31 is not as concerning to me than them only scoring 21 points against Dallas' defense, especially with one of their three scores having to come after an INT that gave them the ball inside the Dallas 30 in that game.

I think everyone expected the Colts to put up about 30 points in that game - they were the #1 ranked offense. Giving up 40 is inexcusable, but the effort by the offense in that game was even more inexcusable. Only 3 first half points, and a total of just 10 point going into the 4th quarter. Stat sheet shows they only converted 4 out of 16 3rd downs. Awful.

And nothing really needs to be said about the performance by the offense against the Eagles.


And I'm pretty sure you can't score points if you don't have the ball very much, which is what giving up 250 yards will do. Regardless, neither side of the ball has operated great this year. In my opinion, the defense needs more fixing and fixing it will lead to better results.

Remember, the Giants will have Cruz back next year, and we are all hoping Reese gets some help on the OL. No one is saying its perfect.
While it's true we played 3 weak teams the last three weeks,  
Ira : 12/15/2014 2:37 pm : link
our earlier schedule contained mostly good teams. So if our sack numbers the last three weeks were inflated, the earlier numbers were lower than they would have been against average teams.
NYG4246: We're offal fans?  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/15/2014 3:04 pm : link
That's absolute tripe.
.  
arcarsenal : 12/15/2014 3:20 pm : link
I would personally like to go in a different direction defensively after this year, but.. the collective meltdown BBI would have if Fewell were retained almost makes me hope he is.
big blue blogger  
gmenatlarge : 12/15/2014 3:23 pm : link
good one, never been a fan of entrails.
Keep Fewell he is the best  
ronzo : 12/15/2014 5:37 pm : link
Nevermind he sucks balls
Mara  
wash88 : 12/15/2014 5:42 pm : link
Glad he can keep all the low
paid coaches and none have
job offers.
Seems to me  
PEEJ : 12/15/2014 5:45 pm : link
that more than a few of these sacks should be credited to the secondary.
Give the DL credit for working through blocks, but I see a bunch of plays where the QB pulls down the ball when his first read isn't there.
RE: While it's true we played 3 weak teams the last three weeks,  
bigfish703 : 12/15/2014 8:47 pm : link
In comment 12036189 Ira said:

our earlier schedule contained mostly good teams. So if our sack numbers the last three weeks were inflated, the earlier numbers were lower than they would have been against average teams. [/quote]

Good point. When some fans decry the recent opposition, they ignore how tough the early schedule was. Things usually even out over the full 16 games & that is why the total of 41 sacks is impressive. However, I still wince at the 9 secs Romo got. We have to improve our "D."
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