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Eli, now 13th all time TD passes...15th in passing yards

NYG4246 : 12/15/2014 1:59 pm
With his 3 TD game on Sunday Eli Passed Hall of Famers Dan Fouts and Sonny Jurgenson on the All- Time TD list. He has 255, with 2 games to go this season. Of the 12 names in front of him only 2 are not/will not be enshrined in the Hall of Fame. The rest are all in or are most likely first ballot guys. A couple more years of decent seasons (20 TD) and he'll be amongst the top 10 all time. He is currently 15th all time in passing yards, again a couple of decent seasons (3,000) away from the top 10. That is more then hall of fame worthy if you ask me. Not to mention his playoff success and those 2 SB MVP's. So please stop this nonsense talk of finding another QB. We have an all time great.
Barring injury, Eli's replacement is a High School senior this year.  
Victor in CT : 12/15/2014 2:01 pm : link
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But sometimes he makes stupid  
The Turk : 12/15/2014 2:01 pm : link
faces. Can't we get the flavor of the month and try him out there?
RE: But sometimes he makes stupid  
AnishPatel : 12/15/2014 2:06 pm : link
In comment 12036095 The Turk said:
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faces. Can't we get the flavor of the month and try him out there?


Well the stupid faces is something that the tv networks look for. Any time Eli throws an int or makes a bad decision, watch the camera man zoom in on Eli. I think NFL network had a thing called Faces of Eli not too long ago.
Stupid faces and turnovers fit the narrative.  
bceagle05 : 12/15/2014 2:12 pm : link
They ALWAYS make the highlights. Eli fumbles or throws a pick on the last play of a blowout loss? You can count on it being shown, even though it has no relevance to the game whatsoever. There's goofy Eli turning the ball over again!

Anyway, glad to see him passing some brand names. Talk about the QB-friendly era all you want - a lot of good QBs won't climb as high on these lists as Eli will.

I call bull shit  
ImaGiant86 : 12/15/2014 2:20 pm : link
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We have an all time great.


There are two different threads here.  
Big Blue Blogger : 12/15/2014 2:20 pm : link
Both topics are well-worn on BBI.

1) Has Eli earned a place in the Hall of Fame (and, if not, will he do so before he's done);
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2) Should the Giants move on from Eli?

These are two very different questions. Brett Favre punched his ticket to Canton well before 2008, but the Packers were still right to promote Rodgers. Peyton Manning was a mortal lock for the HoF before 2012, but the Colts were right to draft Luck. Even Ernie Accorsi heard the bell tolling for Johnny U. and climbed on the Bert Jones bandwagon.

In the Giants' case, I don't think anyone is pushing to start the Ryan Nassib era. The question - if any question exists - is whether they should commit to Eli beyond 2015. As for the Hall of Fame, I couldn't care less.
RE: There are two different threads here.  
gmen9892 : 12/15/2014 2:30 pm : link
In comment 12036140 Big Blue Blogger said:
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These are two very different questions. Brett Favre punched his ticket to Canton well before 2008, but the Packers were still right to promote Rodgers. Peyton Manning was a mortal lock for the HoF before 2012, but the Colts were right to draft Luck. Even Ernie Accorsi heard the bell tolling for Johnny U. and climbed on the Bert Jones bandwagon.

In the Giants' case, I don't think anyone is pushing to start the Ryan Nassib era. The question - if any question exists - is whether they should commit to Eli beyond 2015. As for the Hall of Fame, I couldn't care less.


Brett Favre was 38 years old when the Packers decided to move on from him and Peyton was two neck surgeries deep when the Colts moved on from him with the cant-miss QB prospect coming into the draft. Nowhere near the same scenario the Giants have with a 33 year old, healthy Eli Manning in either case.
Helluva player  
Sean : 12/15/2014 2:31 pm : link
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vinny testeverde  
5J : 12/15/2014 2:31 pm : link
is 9th all time in yards

and 10th all time in TD passes

the stats arent going to qualify eli for anything
We have an all-time above average.  
WideRight : 12/15/2014 2:34 pm : link
You got a problem with that?
RE: vinny testeverde  
AnishPatel : 12/15/2014 2:46 pm : link
In comment 12036169 5J said:
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is 9th all time in yards

and 10th all time in TD passes

the stats arent going to qualify eli for anything


Not alone, no. But add 26 4th Q comebacks putting him 10th all time. Add tied 12th all time for game winning drives. Next factor that streak of starts Eli has making him of an Iron man of sorts who can be relied on to start week in and week out and 2 SB title and MVPs, and he is in.

Now all he has to do it keep putting up numbers. If all goes well he will be top 10 in Tds, passing yards, 4th Q comebacks and game winning drives. You do that with 2 SB wins in the bank, then he will get in. He is a Manning and first family of football so that will factor in. It's like his name is Jones or Smith.
If they kept Carl Banks  
BigBlueCane : 12/15/2014 2:48 pm : link
out as long as they did, do you really think they'll give Eli anything resembling a pass?
RE: If they kept Carl Banks  
Britt in VA : 12/15/2014 2:48 pm : link
In comment 12036216 BigBlueCane said:
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out as long as they did, do you really think they'll give Eli anything resembling a pass?


You mean Harry Carson?
Most likely  
Amtoft : 12/15/2014 7:14 pm : link
he will finish top 5-6 in both passing yards and TDs... If he wins another SB then he will almost be a lock to make it in. Lets hope he just does that... As a Giants!
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FStubbs : 12/15/2014 7:20 pm : link
He pretty much has to win another Superbowl to get in. Even then, I'm not certain he'd get in. The animus against him is deep and he's had some poor seasons.

(Before it comes up, I don't think Brees should get in either but he has hype so he might.)
Fly in the ointment.  
section125 : 12/15/2014 7:22 pm : link
Where is he ranked in turnovers?
Eli is getting in,  
Giantology : 12/15/2014 7:23 pm : link
Even without a 3rd Super Bowl. Not even a question.
So this QB named Eli  
mrvax : 12/15/2014 7:38 pm : link
has only 14 QBs in the history of the NFL to throw for more yards and 11 more guys threw more TDs? That's currently HOF territory if you ask me.

A few years from now, it may take 75,000 yards and 500 TD passes to be considered if this shit keeps up. Eli has earned a HOF ticket already, IMO. Without him, a great team wouldn't have won 2 Superbowls.


And yes, to BBB: I'd take the chance and re-sign Eli for another 4-5 years.
2011  
AnyoneButPhilly : 12/15/2014 7:43 pm : link
Is probably the only point in Eli's 11 year career that I would have considered him a top 5 player at his position. That just doesn't say hall of fame to me. I'm not a hall of fame voter though. 2 super bowls with Vinny Testaverde numbers might be enough to get him in.
his 2 superbowl wins and MVPs  
whobetta : 12/15/2014 9:42 pm : link
are so key... based on those games alone he should be enshrined just like Namath was for his famous guarantee and such... beating the 18-0 Pats, and then doing it again with the helmet catch and the WINDOW throw to Manningham to seal games were EPIC. Add that to his consecutive starts streak (hoping it continues for years to rival and maybe pass peytons)

BUT... now this is a big but. I just feel there will be so many people who will a) look at his interception number and b) feel he wasn't the BEST of his time, when there is Peyton/Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Rothlisburger/Rivers etc... While he is ahead of Roth/Rivers/Rodgers in TD's he has worse TD/INT ratio and Passer rating stats

If he never wins another Superbowl, he needs to at the very least put up 25/15 type numbers for a while. Passing Fran Tarkenten to get into the top 6 discussion would probably seal the deal.

but whether he is a first ballot HOF or not still is uncertain. If he gets another ring, then no doubt. If he lights up the league for the next 5+ years like Brady/Peyton have he's probably an auto include.

I am just afraid too many people will just remember the INT's and the "aww shucks" style, though what they should remember are the TD winning throws to beat the Patriots in 2 superbowls.
Geez Tarkenton played 18 years  
Grandpa : 12/16/2014 9:03 pm : link
mostly on crummy teams, threw over 260 interceptions and never won Anything and he's in... If you want to pick at numbers then you can almost make a case against any QB who lined up under center. Namath's stats were not impressive over a long span of time but he changed the dynamics of the NFL-AFL so his one Super Bowl win and handful of good seasons got him in. Eli will never get the credit he deserves for being above all a winning QB who never worries about stats and has shown time and again he rises to the big moment. To me that is HOF.
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