Obviously has to come at the right price but he's clearly earned a nice contract and think he would want to stay with the Giants. The guy has been a beast this year and silenced a lot of doubters on here. Some of the know-nothings and stat-sheet-readers on BBI criticize him but he's still a very good pass rusher and arguably the best run-stopping DE in the NFL. He's drawn attention and double teams all season and allowed for other players to accumulate sacks (especially Hankins, Kennard, and Moore).
I think this kind of proves my point about perception (casual fans that read box scores) versus reality (knowledgeable fans who re-watch every game and understand X's and O's).
JPP's value is that he is so much more than a pass-rusher. I could be wrong, but I believe he has more tackles and tackles for losses than any DE in the NFL (at least he did a few weeks ago and it wasn't close). He is a superior run-stopper and the best player on our defense (DRC a close second).
JPP is second to that and only at a reasonable price.
Best thing that could happen for the Giants is to re-sign JPP. If I'm JPP one of my demands would be conditional to getting a new DC.
While that's true, it misrepresents things quite a bit. Strahan's 5th season was his best (to date). JPP's fifth season is 3 years removed from his best. Fortunately he's looked better this year than the past few, but nonetheless his career success to date is heavily weighted towards his 2nd season, so looking at total numbers paints a very incomplete picture.
probably the dumbest thing the Giants can do in the offseason is do nothing and watch this 25 year old stud DE...among the best DE in the NFL get 15-20 sacks per year for a team like the Dallas Cowboys...Reece should be fired if he decides the price for JPP is too high.,land he allows him to wal for nothing...
What picture am I misrepresenting?
1993 1 3 0
1994 4.5 27 13
1995 7.5 48 10
1996 5 54 9
1997*+ 14 49 19
Year Sk Tkl Ast
2010 4.5 17 5
2011*+ 16.5 72 21
2012* 6.5 43 23
2013 2 20 7
2014 9.5 45 23
Year Sk
1993 - 1
1994 - 4.5
1995 - 7.5
1996 - 5
1997*+ - 14
1998*+ - 15
1999* - 5.5
2000 - 9.5
2001*+ - 22.5
2002* - 11
2003*+ - 18.5
2004 - 4
2005* - 11.5
2006 - 3
2007 - 9
One or two O line
Safety
LBs (at least one )
And possibly
RB and TE
One or two O line
Safety
LBs (at least one )
And possibly
RB and TE
You're not offbase, but we actually have a ton of cap room next year and even more the year after. You can make something work by backloading a few contracts.
reduce his base salaries and tack on sack/pressure incentives if need be that way if he doesnt get the pressure/sacks he gets less money but he has had an oft injured tuck and guys like ayers,and a declining osi playing opposite him they havent exactly given him much help to reduce his double teams or focus plus injuries of his own to deal with
signing JPP and fixing OL are 1A and 1B on the offseason priorities,along with adding help at DE/LB and getting a decent DC being 2a and 2B
NYGmen58 : 4:25 pm
Obviously has to come at the right price but he's clearly earned a nice contract and think he would want to stay with the Giants. The guy has been a beast this year and silenced a lot of doubters on here.
He has not been a beast....
Some of the know-nothings and stat-sheet-readers on BBI criticize him but he's still a very good pass rusher and arguably the best run-stopping DE in the NFL.
Yet he can't seem to contain quarterbacks running to his side, time after time....He has one pass rushing move.....
He's drawn attention and double teams all season and allowed for other players to accumulate sacks (especially Hankins, Kennard, and Moore).
What bull....in big games he has been handled one on one.....the double team is a true myth....He, like everyone else on this defense is padding stats against the dregs of the league......even the last two games, against those two elite Qb's, Shaun Hill and Mark Sanchez, won't tell us much about this defense......but it could give us, the same mirage last year's stretch against backup qb's did....
Fact is, this defense can't stop a good passing offense....no pass rush.....can't cover backs and TE's....will screw up big time in coverage....will give up big plays, like it has all year.....
As mentioned, the number one fix for this team should be the OL....
I did hear Francesa say today that Suh might be a fit in Dallas, though...
Now in the last 2 games he has more sacks then he did in the first 11 games... totaling 9 sacks. He'll probably go double digit...
The reality is he has 6 of his 9.5 sacks against the 3 teams who are in the top 6 of the league in giving up sacks and have combined records of 7-35 (Washington, Jax, and Tenn).
Sure sacks aren't everything, and he is good against the run, he does get pressure other times. His other sacks came against two playoff teams in Arizona and Dallas. It will be really interesting as too how the Giants structure his deal. They absolutely cannot give him a JJ Watt type contract. They would get more bang for the buck by investing in an a good offensive linemen and a good defensive player unless they can sign him to a reasonable deal that still makes him a rich rich man.
I did hear Francesa say today that Suh might be a fit in Dallas, though...
How could Dallas afford him? They're already close to the CAP and they need to re-sign Dez Bryant.
Why would you dump JPP for Suh? Is Suh really a better player? I don't see it.
then you have to look at the cap implications on signing him the idea of having hankins and suh at DT is an intriguing one thou and would definately give opposing offences more to worry about that just jpp so i can see why people are keen on the idea